Awesome video, really clear and all the important details. The bit about the 1 piece oil control ring helped me, I've not dealt with a one piece before an was a little unsure where to situate the gap.
OLÁ Vintage 09/08/24 Uma dica: Os setores de aço dos anéis de óleo podem ser montados de 3 formas (em relação à lateral da canaleta de pistão). UMA correta, uma incorreta e que aumenta a lubrificação dos demais anéis e outra também incorreta que diminui a lubrificação dos demais anéis. Eu pergunto, qual das três formas usastes? Abraços... Roberto Udo Krapf
I'm seeing online that the stock, single oil ring gap clearance should be 0.0059"-0.01575". In these rebuild kits that come with a 3 piece oil ring, should the gap for the 2 skinny rings be the same as the recommended gap for the stock, single oil ring? Do you find that these kits typically need to be gapped or are they usually pretty good out of the box?
Ok with that but what if that piston finds in the head in a honda c50 6volto hello from greece am asking you original crank shasf and cylinderhead what is your opinion thought what i must change?
I agree. I think we "wish" them to stay like we installed. Those engines vibrating the environment around them. I don't believe they stay like they installed.
That’s a small piston you have there. That’s not the size for a 1969 to 1980 ct70 correct? That size piston would be for something newer or long piston rod? Just asking, thanks.
It is a bigger piston than stock. This is a CT70 up bore piston (52mm) from CHP Motorsports 88cc Top End kit. Stock CT70 is 47mm jug bore and stock z50 is 39mm jug bore
I accidentally installed the black ring on the top and the silver outlined ring in the middle because the black ring was the ONLY one that had any kind of writings on it. My question is how big of a deal is this and should I tear it back down and put the black in the middle? The engine has not yet been started since the rebuilt but is all torqued to the 9 ft lbs already. Thanks for any response!
You know where they go and direction they face. You have no clue what a ring land or ring gap is tho. You also have no clue how to physically install a ring (place your thumb on the ring like this...LOL) That is not how it's done, have you ever taken a mechanic course? Ring gap and end gap...any clue what that is?
First off, I checked who you are - The reputation speaks volumes, so that is that...Now to my response - Fine, ring land vs groove - you got me on improper vocabulary in video. Go start your own channel and let me see you do stuff in detail. I'm sure I'll be able to pick you apart too, but I don't care to...and a simple search on YT first video to pop up - Summit Racing channel shows the exact ring install technique and so on down the line. So you're saying I can't use my thumb to hold the ring? - Lol. Here is my comment to you. Instead of trying to put me down, while don't you try and explain yourself so others can learn. You got your approach to me all wrong...And why don't you answer your questions and explain it to me. I'm curious if you even know?
@@VintageHondaMinis reputation? you mean what some relative of my competition posted somewhere? LOL. If you need me to exlain your mistakes you need to go take a mechanic course before you teach people how to do things wrong
@@dennisminitrail3141 no not competition (never heard of you until now), just regular people that have dealt with you. Your name is in forum groups with people saying to stay far away you. That is not a good spot to be in - lol. You will not see that about me.
All these engines share alot in common. Parts can interchange, with some exceptions, but don't do that without fully understanding the intricasies - Z50 ct70 sl70 xl70 atc70 Z50r cl70
Great content. Had to tune in to double check that the silver one went on 🔝
Thanks for the help! Finishing up my atc 70 build an was needing just this info for my 88 kit. 🤙🏻🤙🏻
Awesome video, really clear and all the important details. The bit about the 1 piece oil control ring helped me, I've not dealt with a one piece before an was a little unsure where to situate the gap.
Cool,perfectly explained
Best way to turn all the rings into position is a pin or toothpick
Your amazing man thanks for the thorough explanation
Thanks Josh. This vid helped.
Thanks for sharing and teaching, much appreciated
Great teaching brother that very help full
Wow love your teaching brother thanks
OLÁ Vintage 09/08/24 Uma dica: Os setores de aço dos anéis de óleo podem ser montados de 3 formas (em relação à lateral da canaleta de pistão). UMA correta, uma incorreta e que aumenta a lubrificação dos demais anéis e outra também incorreta que diminui a lubrificação dos demais anéis. Eu pergunto, qual das três formas usastes? Abraços... Roberto Udo Krapf
helpful video man. could you make another of installing it onto the cylinder.
I do. Look for.my.1986 z50 Z50rd engine repair video series
I'm seeing online that the stock, single oil ring gap clearance should be 0.0059"-0.01575". In these rebuild kits that come with a 3 piece oil ring, should the gap for the 2 skinny rings be the same as the recommended gap for the stock, single oil ring? Do you find that these kits typically need to be gapped or are they usually pretty good out of the box?
Thanks for that!
Ok with that but what if that piston finds in the head in a honda c50 6volto hello from greece am asking you original crank shasf and cylinderhead what is your opinion thought what i must change?
Thanks!
I don't understand orienting the rings at 120° as they can move freely in the grooves, so surely they can end up anywhere when the engine runs
I agree. I think we "wish" them to stay like we installed. Those engines vibrating the environment around them. I don't believe they stay like they installed.
That’s a small piston you have there. That’s not the size for a 1969 to 1980 ct70 correct? That size piston would be for something newer or long piston rod? Just asking, thanks.
It is a bigger piston than stock. This is a CT70 up bore piston (52mm) from CHP Motorsports 88cc Top End kit. Stock CT70 is 47mm jug bore and stock z50 is 39mm jug bore
I accidentally installed the black ring on the top and the silver outlined ring in the middle because the black ring was the ONLY one that had any kind of writings on it. My question is how big of a deal is this and should I tear it back down and put the black in the middle? The engine has not yet been started since the rebuilt but is all torqued to the 9 ft lbs already. Thanks for any response!
Yes. Swap them into correct placement before running. They are designed for specific purposes and must be installed correctly
Is this the same engine that’s in a ATC 70?
are the china honda clones with the flat pistons the same ring gap as this ?
Im not sure what they spec. Standard rule of thumb is .004" end gap per 1" of bore
what engine does that piston fit?
Ct70
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You know where they go and direction they face. You have no clue what a ring land or ring gap is tho.
You also have no clue how to physically install a ring (place your thumb on the ring like this...LOL)
That is not how it's done, have you ever taken a mechanic course?
Ring gap and end gap...any clue what that is?
First off, I checked who you are - The reputation speaks volumes, so that is that...Now to my response - Fine, ring land vs groove - you got me on improper vocabulary in video. Go start your own channel and let me see you do stuff in detail. I'm sure I'll be able to pick you apart too, but I don't care to...and a simple search on YT first video to pop up - Summit Racing channel shows the exact ring install technique and so on down the line. So you're saying I can't use my thumb to hold the ring? - Lol. Here is my comment to you. Instead of trying to put me down, while don't you try and explain yourself so others can learn. You got your approach to me all wrong...And why don't you answer your questions and explain it to me. I'm curious if you even know?
@@VintageHondaMinis reputation? you mean what some relative of my competition posted somewhere? LOL. If you need me to exlain your mistakes you need to go take a mechanic course before you teach people how to do things wrong
@@dennisminitrail3141 no not competition (never heard of you until now), just regular people that have dealt with you. Your name is in forum groups with people saying to stay far away you. That is not a good spot to be in - lol. You will not see that about me.
@@dennisminitrail3141 bugger of trol
Is this the same engine that’s in a ATC 70?
All these engines share alot in common. Parts can interchange, with some exceptions, but don't do that without fully understanding the intricasies - Z50 ct70 sl70 xl70 atc70 Z50r cl70