F2P players should not skip ceaser if they got the pulls. Most f2P either has only a zhu yaun or an ellen but not both. That means most f2P run a fire team as their second team.Ceaser alone would be a massive damage increase for a fire team and would replace ben, piper, and koleada. What I would not recommend for f2P is rolling for lighter as chances are if you got ceaser, they are not going to have enough pulls for soldier 11's replacement as well. So f2P basically will either want to chose the DPS character or the stun/support. That being said, go the support every time as DPS will always be consistently powercrept eventually.
@@MarkFin9423 If they got the pulls, I agree that Caesar feels like a good future proof unit, but depending on which units you own, Caesar won't bring that much to the table. And I agree, usually DPS gets powercrept, unlike supports. But I feel Burnice looks super solid to be a Disorder Enabler, just like Kafka in HSR. Maybe I'm reaching and should wait for the early access review, but I did my best to review her using what we saw in the Special Program. Thanks for sharing your thoughts ❤️
Recent characters have felt redundant to me tbh as I’ve been able to Perfect Clear Shiyu already with an ice and fire team that aren’t even fully built lol. They just don’t feel like they really separate themselves enough from the base roster right now in terms of like gameplay
My two teams are- Ellen, Qingyi, and Soukaku Nekomata, Anby, and Nicole Got a spook, Rina, but she's heavily situational usage. I know i want Zhu Yuan since i have two characters built for her, and I want Caesar as it's very possible how much she can buff Nekomata and future-proof other parties. Plus, Caesar had that coolness factor i liked compared to other members of Calydon. Even reminds me of Eula, who i previously had before quitting Genshin.
Im not Skipping Caesar, She is just too Good. Also i see Calcs in Jane mains that basically Say Jane+Caesar+Seth Is 8-10% better than Jane+Burnice+Lucy (All With their Sig w-engine). Don't know how True this is But Caesar basically coming Close to Burnice for Jane (with how much people hype jane+Burnice) is Just Insane and show how Valuable Caesar is.
It boils down to the time spent on Burnice applying burn even just once, could just be spent on a hyper-buffed Jane (Caesar + Seth) applying assault. Instead of managing 2 different anomalies you just buff the shit out of jane and that's it.
Jane could be the best DPS in the game and I would never roll the rat because I just find anomoly clunky. Stun+damage+support just keeps things simple, no need to dance like a ballerina on a sidewalk to do damage. >_> "meanwhile jane doing just that on concrete"
@@MarkFin9423it’s annoying when the enemy is one 1 hp after an assault but I still would take that over crit dps. After playing Genshin for so long, I’m happy to be free from balancing a crit ratio and only being happy when I have a crit when to make it look nice. Jane is just AP and atk%. A lot less min maxing on whether a piece is good or even usuable.
I don't have a problem, I've skipped everything, the only banner I tried was the rat banner just for Seth, got him in 15 wishes and lost 50/50 with a standard banner red head, thank goodness 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤😊😊😊
They look very strong, but I'm skipping the whole patch if Lighter is the next S rank in 1.3. Pulling for power in ZZZ feels pointless because it's 1.1 and I can already clear the whole content with characters not even at their full potential.
I'm definitely pulling Caesar as my first limited unit. I got lucky with 2 Nekomatas back to back on the standard banner and Caesar will help her so much. Also, as a mobile player with an ok tablet, the quality of life her shields provides is too much to pass up.
Not a believer in Burnice yet. Inb4 she's barely if at all more effective than just running a support for Jane, given how effective Jane is all by herself and with Seth. We already know Grace is much worse as a sub DPS on her team than running a support (even A Ranks). And while Burnice will be more effective than Grace, I'm not sure by how much. I'll wait for the tests. Caesar looks broken now, but I think she'll lose alot of value with future patches. Her shield already gets one shot by Disputed Node 8 right now and that's only gonna get worse. Dedicated suppports and stunners are also likely going to be better than her in that role. I agree that Caesar is great if you don't have Qingyi and Lycaon. Otherwise she's too much of a sidegrade.
I think any DoT based anomaly unit is going to have to be disorder based. Burnice + Yanagi should be great together but Jane should unlock her as well.
@@jaegybomb Yup, you're right, mono DoT anomalies will end up overwriting anomalies so there's some DPS loss if you don't disorder or wait until the DoT finishes. However
That's why Grace and Anton in mono electric feels so bad, because Anton just triggers the next (much weaker) anomaly, so I decided to go Jane mono physical with Caesar and skip any anomaly unit that's not physical or ice, because you're better off buffing the main DPS than splitting the damage between 2 damage dealers and potentially running into unfortunate elemental resistance setups (e.g. weak to physical but resistant to fire)
I've got 240 saved up right now. My plan is to do 50/50 on Caesar and if I get here then that's super sick and she'll be really comfy going forward, and I'll have enough time over the patch to still 100% Burnice. If I don't win 50/50 that just means I get Burnice and a chance at her weapon. I'm not taking no Burnice though. As far as I'm concerned the account is bricked and game is unplayable if I miss Burnice
I'm getting both since I want my team to be Jane/Ceasar/Burnice then if I need to split them for Shiyu I can run Jane/Burnice/Lucy and ellen or zhu with ceasar
@@okMuzzy ohh okay didn't know he'll be a stunner, but I don't use stunners at all right now i've cleared shiyu with Zhu+nicolle on one side, Jane solo other side, gotten all S ranks with no problems Then with normal play I use Jane/Zhu/Ellen, they clear about just as fast as the optimal teams when looking at my friend playing compared to me, and I've always used who I liked in my teams. so looking at that you can see Ceasar fits on every single team I have, thats huge lol
Personally think if you already have any of the three well developed Ellen, Zhu Yuan, or Jane teams, along with a decent second team (for example you’re able to clear Shiyu Crit Nodes 1-7 on S rank), you should probably save Polychromes for 1.3. I think Caesar is more of a floor raiser due to her flexible core passive, and her anti-interrupt and global attack buff, but she won’t significantly raise the ceiling for any existing teams right now except for maybe Jane/Seth and Ellen teams. The only people realistically pulling for should be the ones that don’t already have any exclusive banner agents. I do think that she will be a best in slot for physical teams in the future when there will be exclusive 5 star attackers and supports, but that may be a very long time from now
I will skip Caesar to get Burnice and then Yanagi. I already have the 3 teams you mentioned, currently using Jane alongside Seth and Rina, so my plan is to add one team by switching some positions. Jane, Burnice and Lucy in one team; with Yanagi, Seth and Rina in the other.
If I’m honest, idk what I need for my account. I got my premium Zhu Yuan team since I will be maining her, but my second team is not very good. I got Piper, Nekomata, and Lucy. And I would like another dps OR support for piper and lucy, now I’m just gonna flip a coin for either Caesar or Burnice. P.S. i’m still not really sure if I enjoy anomaly as a team, but Burnice is very tempting. For now, veni vidi vici and wait for the 2nd drip marketing.
@@ashuraisdedge I used to run Piper Ben Lucy before going for Jane, Neko feels soooo weird for me :c Honestly, both options seem good for you. Wait a bit for the next drip marketing and maybe even Burnice Early Access reviews, so you can get an idea of what you'll lose by going for one over the other.
As a low spender, will easily skip Ceasar all the way. TBF, Lucy can add 15-18 in the daze counter whenever she casts her EX-skill which is needed in the Jane-Seth team. So even if Ceasar can build a lot more daze application than her, Lucy is easier to play because I can unleash Jane's kit even more (since she needs more field time). I put Impact% (with atk& subs) on my Lucy's 6th slot and works wonders NGL combined with Seth and Jane's daze build-up. So yea, I don't have to worry about stunning an enemy because it takes 1 and a half rotation to trigger the Stun. This team is balanced and easier to use due to the rotation.
@@SlashPockyFTW So glad to see Impact Lucy getting talked about ❤️ Completely agree, Lucy is so easy to play and her mindscapes only increases the value for your team. I'll definitely go for Lucy M6 on Burnice Banner over Caesar.
Do you think burnice will work with s11 and lucy? I'm currently playing s11 qingyi lucy and it's decent, but I wonder if burnice is a good pull for s11+lucy since I want to use qingyi in my elec team
@@ebiooo You'll probably end up overwriting a lot of Burns in the enemy and this will lead to damage loss. Burnice is better when paired with Piper on a Piper Lucy Burnice team.
@@okMuzzy it seems I'll be skipping 1.2 then. Do you think pulling yanagi will be worth it then? My current electric team is anton qingyi and nicole. I want to swap anton since he doesn't really deal that much damage
I use S11/Koleda/Lucy as my second team and I don't think Burnice will hold much value as any replacement because Burnice value lies in disorder, but Ceasar seems like an huge upgrade if you don't have Koleda. In my experience, my team lacks a lot of CC/Grouping enemies and is very single target with S11. Ceasar will amplify S11 with grouping, daze, shield, permanent 1k attack and anti-interrupt. All of these are huge for S11. And in the long term, Ceasar will fit in pretty much any team.
@@Rivthyre Now that lighter is announced to be a stunner, i think I'll pull for him since you recommended koleda to my s11 team. I won't be pulling caesar since I won't have enough pulls for her. Thanks!
@@lightnatsuki7222 Don't know about Burnice but Caesar is a huge W-Engine. Lots of team buffs and also Impact for her. You could run a Stunner Engine or Original Transmorpher but they don't get close to Caesar's Sig potential. I'm still waiting for Caesar's release so I can run some calcs and find how good her Sig is when compared to f2p, but for Ben (for example), it gives 10% more Daze than Original Transmorpher.
@@ayindehorton2803 Caesar looks a great addition for this scenario. As I said, Caesar is super solid and a great unit, but if you already own a limited unit, I don't see a huge improvement. Have spare pulls? Then go for it c:
@@okMuzzy thanks!🙂 I appreciate the time to.reply. There's a lot of back and forth about Caesar floating about and it gets confusing haha. I'll just take your feedback going forward!
Right now there isn't a single team where using Burnice is better over using Caesar. This could change with the yanagi team wanting to do disorder. So for now Caesar is definitly the better pull if you can only get one.
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AYOOOO Lighter was announced but to everyone's surprise HE'S A STUNNER?
twitter.com/ZZZ_EN/status/1838429434568720800
I’m gonna be pulling for burnice to go with Jane, and if she doesn’t come home, that means lighter will 😤
I'm Caesar all the way but also for the same purpose of boosting Jane! But Lighter is true endgame!
F2P players should not skip ceaser if they got the pulls. Most f2P either has only a zhu yaun or an ellen but not both. That means most f2P run a fire team as their second team.Ceaser alone would be a massive damage increase for a fire team and would replace ben, piper, and koleada.
What I would not recommend for f2P is rolling for lighter as chances are if you got ceaser, they are not going to have enough pulls for soldier 11's replacement as well. So f2P basically will either want to chose the DPS character or the stun/support. That being said, go the support every time as DPS will always be consistently powercrept eventually.
@@MarkFin9423 If they got the pulls, I agree that Caesar feels like a good future proof unit, but depending on which units you own, Caesar won't bring that much to the table.
And I agree, usually DPS gets powercrept, unlike supports. But I feel Burnice looks super solid to be a Disorder Enabler, just like Kafka in HSR. Maybe I'm reaching and should wait for the early access review, but I did my best to review her using what we saw in the Special Program.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts ❤️
Why would fire be their second? Piper is the best a rank dps right now who would like Lucy Nicole seth
Recent characters have felt redundant to me tbh as I’ve been able to Perfect Clear Shiyu already with an ice and fire team that aren’t even fully built lol. They just don’t feel like they really separate themselves enough from the base roster right now in terms of like gameplay
My two teams are-
Ellen, Qingyi, and Soukaku
Nekomata, Anby, and Nicole
Got a spook, Rina, but she's heavily situational usage. I know i want Zhu Yuan since i have two characters built for her, and I want Caesar as it's very possible how much she can buff Nekomata and future-proof other parties. Plus, Caesar had that coolness factor i liked compared to other members of Calydon. Even reminds me of Eula, who i previously had before quitting Genshin.
Will pull for Burnice to pair with Jane since i'd need to spend more on Caesar and her sig as there arent good alternatives
Im not Skipping Caesar, She is just too Good.
Also i see Calcs in Jane mains that basically Say
Jane+Caesar+Seth Is 8-10% better than Jane+Burnice+Lucy (All With their Sig w-engine). Don't know how True this is But Caesar basically coming Close to Burnice for Jane (with how much people hype jane+Burnice) is Just Insane
and show how Valuable Caesar is.
It boils down to the time spent on Burnice applying burn even just once, could just be spent on a hyper-buffed Jane (Caesar + Seth) applying assault. Instead of managing 2 different anomalies you just buff the shit out of jane and that's it.
Jane could be the best DPS in the game and I would never roll the rat because I just find anomoly clunky. Stun+damage+support just keeps things simple, no need to dance like a ballerina on a sidewalk to do damage. >_> "meanwhile jane doing just that on concrete"
@@MarkFin9423it’s annoying when the enemy is one 1 hp after an assault but I still would take that over crit dps.
After playing Genshin for so long, I’m happy to be free from balancing a crit ratio and only being happy when I have a crit when to make it look nice. Jane is just AP and atk%. A lot less min maxing on whether a piece is good or even usuable.
*A crit weapon to make it look nice**
I was fortunate to get Jane and I feel like I wana have both of the new units coming out for my team comp
No Matter What.....
*The Storm is Approaching..... and I welcome it with open Arms*
I don't have a problem, I've skipped everything, the only banner I tried was the rat banner just for Seth, got him in 15 wishes and lost 50/50 with a standard banner red head, thank goodness 🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤😊😊😊
Piper/Burnice/Lucy team let’s goooooo
@@Crashicoot LET'S GOOOO
They look very strong, but I'm skipping the whole patch if Lighter is the next S rank in 1.3.
Pulling for power in ZZZ feels pointless because it's 1.1 and I can already clear the whole content with characters not even at their full potential.
I'm definitely pulling Caesar as my first limited unit. I got lucky with 2 Nekomatas back to back on the standard banner and Caesar will help her so much. Also, as a mobile player with an ok tablet, the quality of life her shields provides is too much to pass up.
Not a believer in Burnice yet. Inb4 she's barely if at all more effective than just running a support for Jane, given how effective Jane is all by herself and with Seth. We already know Grace is much worse as a sub DPS on her team than running a support (even A Ranks). And while Burnice will be more effective than Grace, I'm not sure by how much. I'll wait for the tests.
Caesar looks broken now, but I think she'll lose alot of value with future patches. Her shield already gets one shot by Disputed Node 8 right now and that's only gonna get worse. Dedicated suppports and stunners are also likely going to be better than her in that role.
I agree that Caesar is great if you don't have Qingyi and Lycaon. Otherwise she's too much of a sidegrade.
I think any DoT based anomaly unit is going to have to be disorder based. Burnice + Yanagi should be great together but Jane should unlock her as well.
@@jaegybomb Yup, you're right, mono DoT anomalies will end up overwriting anomalies so there's some DPS loss if you don't disorder or wait until the DoT finishes. However
That's why Grace and Anton in mono electric feels so bad, because Anton just triggers the next (much weaker) anomaly, so I decided to go Jane mono physical with Caesar and skip any anomaly unit that's not physical or ice, because you're better off buffing the main DPS than splitting the damage between 2 damage dealers and potentially running into unfortunate elemental resistance setups (e.g. weak to physical but resistant to fire)
I've got 240 saved up right now. My plan is to do 50/50 on Caesar and if I get here then that's super sick and she'll be really comfy going forward, and I'll have enough time over the patch to still 100% Burnice. If I don't win 50/50 that just means I get Burnice and a chance at her weapon.
I'm not taking no Burnice though. As far as I'm concerned the account is bricked and game is unplayable if I miss Burnice
I'm getting both since I want my team to be Jane/Ceasar/Burnice
then if I need to split them for Shiyu I can run Jane/Burnice/Lucy and ellen or zhu with ceasar
I'm probably going for Caesar and Burnice as well, wasn't expecting Lighter to be a Fire Stunner :c
Caesar value keeps rising
@@okMuzzy ohh okay didn't know he'll be a stunner, but I don't use stunners at all
right now i've cleared shiyu with Zhu+nicolle on one side, Jane solo other side, gotten all S ranks with no problems
Then with normal play I use Jane/Zhu/Ellen, they clear about just as fast as the optimal teams when looking at my friend playing compared to me, and I've always used who I liked in my teams. so looking at that you can see Ceasar fits on every single team I have, thats huge lol
Personally think if you already have any of the three well developed Ellen, Zhu Yuan, or Jane teams, along with a decent second team (for example you’re able to clear Shiyu Crit Nodes 1-7 on S rank), you should probably save Polychromes for 1.3. I think Caesar is more of a floor raiser due to her flexible core passive, and her anti-interrupt and global attack buff, but she won’t significantly raise the ceiling for any existing teams right now except for maybe Jane/Seth and Ellen teams. The only people realistically pulling for should be the ones that don’t already have any exclusive banner agents. I do think that she will be a best in slot for physical teams in the future when there will be exclusive 5 star attackers and supports, but that may be a very long time from now
I will skip Caesar to get Burnice and then Yanagi. I already have the 3 teams you mentioned, currently using Jane alongside Seth and Rina, so my plan is to add one team by switching some positions. Jane, Burnice and Lucy in one team; with Yanagi, Seth and Rina in the other.
If I’m honest, idk what I need for my account. I got my premium Zhu Yuan team since I will be maining her, but my second team is not very good. I got Piper, Nekomata, and Lucy. And I would like another dps OR support for piper and lucy, now I’m just gonna flip a coin for either Caesar or Burnice.
P.S. i’m still not really sure if I enjoy anomaly as a team, but Burnice is very tempting. For now, veni vidi vici and wait for the 2nd drip marketing.
@@ashuraisdedge I used to run Piper Ben Lucy before going for Jane, Neko feels soooo weird for me :c
Honestly, both options seem good for you. Wait a bit for the next drip marketing and maybe even Burnice Early Access reviews, so you can get an idea of what you'll lose by going for one over the other.
letsss goooo burniceeeee
As a low spender, will easily skip Ceasar all the way. TBF, Lucy can add 15-18 in the daze counter whenever she casts her EX-skill which is needed in the Jane-Seth team. So even if Ceasar can build a lot more daze application than her, Lucy is easier to play because I can unleash Jane's kit even more (since she needs more field time). I put Impact% (with atk& subs) on my Lucy's 6th slot and works wonders NGL combined with Seth and Jane's daze build-up. So yea, I don't have to worry about stunning an enemy because it takes 1 and a half rotation to trigger the Stun. This team is balanced and easier to use due to the rotation.
@@SlashPockyFTW So glad to see Impact Lucy getting talked about ❤️
Completely agree, Lucy is so easy to play and her mindscapes only increases the value for your team. I'll definitely go for Lucy M6 on Burnice Banner over Caesar.
Do you think burnice will work with s11 and lucy? I'm currently playing s11 qingyi lucy and it's decent, but I wonder if burnice is a good pull for s11+lucy since I want to use qingyi in my elec team
@@ebiooo You'll probably end up overwriting a lot of Burns in the enemy and this will lead to damage loss. Burnice is better when paired with Piper on a Piper Lucy Burnice team.
@@okMuzzy it seems I'll be skipping 1.2 then. Do you think pulling yanagi will be worth it then? My current electric team is anton qingyi and nicole. I want to swap anton since he doesn't really deal that much damage
@@ebiooo No official info on Yanagi yet so I don't know how good she's going to be, but I don't think it's hard to deal more damage than Anton lol
I use S11/Koleda/Lucy as my second team and I don't think Burnice will hold much value as any replacement because Burnice value lies in disorder, but Ceasar seems like an huge upgrade if you don't have Koleda.
In my experience, my team lacks a lot of CC/Grouping enemies and is very single target with S11. Ceasar will amplify S11 with grouping, daze, shield, permanent 1k attack and anti-interrupt. All of these are huge for S11. And in the long term, Ceasar will fit in pretty much any team.
@@Rivthyre Now that lighter is announced to be a stunner, i think I'll pull for him since you recommended koleda to my s11 team. I won't be pulling caesar since I won't have enough pulls for her. Thanks!
Whose wengine is must or more better than f2p option burince or ceaser
@@lightnatsuki7222 Don't know about Burnice but Caesar is a huge W-Engine. Lots of team buffs and also Impact for her. You could run a Stunner Engine or Original Transmorpher but they don't get close to Caesar's Sig potential. I'm still waiting for Caesar's release so I can run some calcs and find how good her Sig is when compared to f2p, but for Ben (for example), it gives 10% more Daze than Original Transmorpher.
Both? Both. Both is good.
idc, getting both
Say you have no limited 5star characters and the only 5star you have is Soldier 11... Would Caesar be a skip?
@@ayindehorton2803 Caesar looks a great addition for this scenario. As I said, Caesar is super solid and a great unit, but if you already own a limited unit, I don't see a huge improvement. Have spare pulls? Then go for it c:
@@okMuzzy thanks!🙂 I appreciate the time to.reply. There's a lot of back and forth about Caesar floating about and it gets confusing haha.
I'll just take your feedback going forward!
Right now there isn't a single team where using Burnice is better over using Caesar. This could change with the yanagi team wanting to do disorder.
So for now Caesar is definitly the better pull if you can only get one.
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