Ryan Adams angry message to Jim DeRogatis
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The voice-mail response critic Jim DeRogatis got from Ryan Adams after Jims not-so-positive review of one of Adams shows. Using discography as video, but the audio is the point...
Some quotes from the review:
"Note to Ryan Adams: Wish you were anywhere but here"
"Adams can release three CDs in a three-week span, but the fact remains that he still can't write one song as original or as heartfelt as anything by Jeff Tweedy."
"Absent an historical musical context or a functioning b.s. detector, it is possible to mistake Adams for being as talented and clever as he thinks he is. But then there are plenty of people who can't tell the difference between plastic flowers and real ones, until they bend over to take a whiff."
"The fans (who skewed younger than Adams) ate it all up, but you had to suspect that it was because they'd never seen the real Courtney, much less the Replacements or even Wilco."
This reminds me of the scene in BOOGIE NIGHTS where Dirk Diggler and Reed Rothchild are arguing with the owner of the recording studio who won't let them have the tapes of their brilliant music.
Okay, alright, now you’re talking above my head, alright. I don’t know this industry jargon, yp, mp, whatever, ok? All I know is that I cannot get a record contract, we cannot get a record contract unless I take these tapes, and granted the tapes themselves are your bu-, are your (sigh), you own them, ok? But the magic that is on the tapes. That fucking heart and soul that we put into those tapes, that is ours. And you don’t own that. Now I need to take that magic, and get it to, get it to the record company. Okay, and they’re waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago. We look like assholes right now, man.
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@@bquinton1015 incredible writing; has anyone ever depicted the doomed to fail musician any better
In many ways, Adams’ vm portends his imminent demise much like this scene would to the music career of Dirk Diggler.
DeRo pissed off R. Kelly and R. Adams. Nice.
I love Ryan's music, but he's definitely not someone I'd ever want to meet out of fear that it would kill any enjoyment I get from his work.
That's a good point. I met him at a bar called the Springwater in Nashville about 13-14 years ago. I wasn't a fan at the time (though I became one within the year following) but I knew Brad Pemberton who's company he was in when I walked into the bar. Brad asked me if I knew Ryan to which I said something like "oh, Ryan Adams - I've heard of you, sure. Please to meet ya" and his response was "oh look, Joe Strummers wanna be doppelgänger - fuck off" and frankly he should consider himself lucky I wasn't drunk lest he likely would have wound up on the floor. Maybe a year later, however, I head Rock and Roll in passing (not knowing it was him) and fell instantly in love with it and when I found out it was RA...I had no choice but to grit my teeth and accept it and I've grown to love everything he's done since. I just have to overlook that near incident in order to enjoy him. Which isn't fair but...whatever.
Edward J. Rodriguez so true. Hes been in my home town a lot lately in south eastern pa bc of his girlfriend being from here... i think if i saw him in public i wouldn't bother him. Not sure anyone would care anyway.
@@outrider138 I had the opposite reaction. Just listened to him for the first time and found him reassuringly shit. Never turned down the opportunity to whack him though.
"you can't refute the music, it's too fucking good and you know it is"
I watch this at least once a week and it's funnier every time. I can't over the quote, 'you with your fucking notepad'
"Nobody is interesting in your bullshit..."
Apparently, Ryan Adams was, and it bothered him enough to do this.
This aged well for Jim DeRogatis..
Can't they both be dipshits?
i love jeff tweedy, but what he said about him had me CRACKING UP.
I’m ambivalent about Ryan Adams, but I generally enjoy Jim DeRogatis’s writing. However, I have to go with Adams on this (old) one. Repeatedly piling on the insults about an artist you obviously dislike on a personal level isn’t journalism. Also, releasing the voicemail was tacky and unprofessional, in my opinion.
"if your old and need to retire press 9"
Ryan is a great musician but he tends to yap uncontrollably. I can imagine he's just surrounded by sycophants night and day who sit at his feet and pretend everything he says is so enthralling so he's very used to rambling on and on , a little like I'm doing...
It's funny though you've gotta admit.
Good for you for having the self-awareness that what bothers us in other people is always what we don't want to face in ourselves.
He's an incredibly gifted songwriter and, like many creative geniuses, is also a raging narcissist and deeply flawed.
@@johnulcer and I wrote 90% of his lyrics do there’s also that
I am a fan of Ryan Adams. And I agree with all of his opinions here. That said - as an artist, you have to let criticism of almost any type get said about you, and not take it personally. That's sort of how it goes when you put yourself out there for mass consumption. You've got a room full of fans screaming "I love you" - and you're worried about one cynical critic's mean words? Ryan - laugh all the way to the bank instead, and keep rocking bro!
This is why ryan adams is a bad ass. He's not afraid to call people out on bull shit, and he's not afraid to do it face to face with the person. Great job ryan adams.
*face to face with the person's voicemail
LOL that message is weak sauce
I listened to the message a couple times.... I don’t know Bryan Adams’s music... I rather enjoyed his use of the language and expression and somewhat creative use of expression and slight intonation very much like a creative person... I do hear a little boy in there that’s intimidated by the criticism and really is seeking his validation. I am rather interested (and happy) that the critic released the message for our consumption.... both of them should enjoy that we have had the opportunity to share in this exchange....
Human frailty and emotion is a complex issue... I think they both handled it well... expressed themselves and brought it full circle... like the good old days... nobody got shot and nobody died and nobody got sued. It’s all good!
I love Ryan bc he says exactly what he thinks. He comes across as arrogant when he's defending his work. He has a right to be arrogant, his music is genius. I've seen many interviews with Ryan where he comes across as friendly, funny, and insightful. I don't think he deserves such a bad reputation.
+persephone 329 +1 on this. The guy is uncannily talented, and so few people appreciate that.
You want to re-edit that?
Is it bad that this only makes me like him more?
Alexandria G. Yes
Definitely.
Yep. He's a douche that made 14 yo girls expose themselves to him so... yeah your judgement is off
@@brendanmattson you're a moron.
@@makingmyselfgreatagain6513 I guarantee "Brendan" is Jim. Good ol Jim DeRogatis, who makes up false accusations on artists, like he did to Ryan. But he moved on from Ryan to someone he thought would be a better fit to lie on... isn't that right JIM.
What's great about this message is that it's remarkably civil (for all the profanity) and completely lucid, so it seems truly legit (that is to say, it's a fair and valid criticism of the critic's personal beef with the musician and not the music). +1 for Ryan Adams!
Yeah, I'm sure your fanhood to Ryan Adams isn't any conflict in interest here...
Not a fan of Ryan Adams, especially in light of the current allegations, but I gotta agree with LDM, this is surprisingly civil for an 'angry' message.
Unfortunately for you it's been confirmed that he is a piece of shit.
i think this is hilarious. ryan adams is amazing and obviously he's kind of crazy but thats why he rocks
Dear Ryan Adams Fans,
Stop defending his middle school behavior because you like his music.
Thanks,
Everyone Else
This is awesome.. I suck at answering machines, but Ryan just rants for ages... "burns holes in his shoes" was a good off the cuff shot back at the Jeff Tweedy remark haha..
I loooove the way the pictueres are executed such as ending with the album cover of 29... Brilliant.
This just gets better with time. Can't be mad at Adams. He's an artist defending his work against, he thinks, some sort of reckless grudge. The only problem I see with the whole exchange is that DeRogatis made it public, which was unprofessional.
jim derogatis >>> ryan adams imo
it's all opinion. degrogatis is the pop music critic. it's his job to cover pop music. they are paying him for his opinion, so he gives it honestly. he's just one man, and he speaks as one man. ryan adams should just take solace in the fact that he has a huge fan base and rest assured that what he does is valued.
Do you know who "they" were, that was paying Jim for his critics? Serious question. I am doing research on.
okay, I've calculated and he says 'like' approximately once every 4.2 seconds.
Your Favorite Band Sucks sent me here.
Artists need to learn to just not read their reviews. Do what George Lucas reportedly did. After he was getting killed for The Phantom Menace he decided to just quit the Internet entirely.
I saw him on Thursday. He knows that 99.99% of the crowd loves him. That's why he could ring up and say that.
What’s the RA song that he samples Parker Poseys voicemail?
Yes, everything that Adams' music lacks.
weird Mandela effect in full effect: pretty sure I have a record of his from years ago credited to Bryan Adams
Im glad RA has the balls to say what he means. Anyone else can refuted it but have your life micro analyzed by people who have never even practiced the guitar. Now i see why so many athletes hate observers.
if you remove the word "like" then this drivel is "like" 36 seconds...when did the word "like" replace the natural pause in todays world
umm ya a little over the top of course but dude thats why Ryan Adams is so beautiful...he doesnt give a shit...he says what he feels and doesnt hide it!
Reviewers would do the same thing to Dylan and Young. They'd use a review of a Young show to say how they like Dylan better. It's stupid. But this tape is funny, and probably involved some substances.
'touched a raw nerve' springs to mind!
He's exactly about rock critics -- they contribute absolutely nothing valuable to the world. It's all just a validation of their limp egos.
wow so ryan adams he's like, uh like, you know, he's like a f***ing, you know, like 12yo or something you know :rolleyes:
Ryan Adams = incredibly petty
Jim was right
Yep. Adams is a fking whiny little bitch who abuses women. Who cares if he's offended?
That enhances the perception.
To your first question, NO! Music critics compare all of the time because artists don't produce new music in a vacuum.
I laughed. A lot. This was hilarious. I mean, obviously Ryan Adams is insecure or else he wouldn't have called the dude -- but the dude sounds like he's one of those critics that likes the sound of his own voice. And no, you can't refute the music -- even if his music isn't your bag (for the record, I'm a huge fan) -- he's a gifted musician.
I'm not a fan of Ryan Adams. But I do think it's a pretty fucking petty thing to do, to release to the public a personal telephone message. I don't give a shit that he's a rock star. And I don't give a shit that DeRogatis is a music critic. It's just a fucking petty, slimey thing to do. Rock critics are always doing things for the wrong reasons ... there's always politics and agendas behind their reviews. Too bad when DeRogatis left Rolling Stone, he took its dirty tricks mentality with him.
Ryan Adams kicked me off his Facebook page because his intern posted ridiculous things and I was questioning what was going on. He wrote me a post at 1:30 in the morning on Facebook to attack me. He's infantile.
Dancing where the stars go blue is his only decent song, and he is over zealous, really narcissistic, and nobody insults Jeff Tweedy, or Derotigas who is one of the better music critics in the mid-West
I love Ryan Adams music, and He is one of the best song writers out their, but what cry baby he is.
Tweedy>Adams
Not. He's good, but no.
Shelley Anderson to each his own i guess
buttttt tweedy is a little better, not a little A LOT better.
Ehhh. Both are amazing, but I always give the edge to Ryan.
Look, I'm a pretty big fan of both, and I don't think the comparison should even be made, but there's no fucking way Ryan Adams is a better songwriter than Jeff Tweedy. If I take my favorites releases from each - Cold Roses and A Ghost Is Born - I'm sorry but I'm giving it to Tweedles. Even the more forgetful Wilco albums have clear highlights. I don't remember a single fucking song from Ashes & Fire, III/IV or Prisoner. And Wilco never released anything nearly as terrible as Rock N Roll. It's a no brainer, y'all.
Ryan's been pretty old now for a while now though
I like Ryan Adams too, but what the hell. Jim Deragotis likes the Replacements and Wilco, two bands which are very similar to Ryan Adams. He can say whatever the hell he wants to.
I have to agree with Ryan Adams on this one. Jim is not an insightful critic at all, he's just kind of a fat guy that tells you how bad the sandwich is that he presently can't stop stuffing down his gullet.
Yeah, dismissing his journalism cause he's a "fat guy", that makes sense... isn't hypocritical at all considering the argument you're trying to defend. (I'm being sarcastic, Crimsoncolostomy)
He's nasty. He thinks he's smart but he's a stupid fat slob. I can't stand him.
you listened to that 3 minute long voicemail re: an unfavorable review from a man whos JOB it is to REVIEW SHOWS and agree with Ryan?
ryan really brings it. and that is crucial in the long run
i think this is fair
yes I am a fan, but I think he's being fairly reasonable, and I've read the review he was talking about online and it does seem more like a personal attack on him than the music, which isn't what a reviewer is supposed to do
He's only famous because 1) He blew some dude at Rolling Stone so all you ever heard from that mag (rag) for six months was about Ryan Adams. And 2) He made some music video with the Twin Towers in the background and it was filmed about a week before they went down. So he's, like, prophetic or some shit.
Hysterical. Read the review - it makes this even funnier.
Yep, I like Ryan even more now. Amazing songwriter.
What makes Jim Deragotis' opinion worth anything? Critics are useless unless you need to be told what to like.
I don't need some frustrated, cynical, musically talentless, blow hard with a journalism degree to tell me the Mats are good and Adams isn't.
Just like I don't need someone to tell me I should like pizza but not pancakes. I like what hits my soul and don't care what anyone else likes. It's about time somebody gives it back to one of them.
The RKelly of the Indie world
I fear there are more and worse than him. Legally speaking, there is one accusation of sexting a minor. The rest of the accusations are really more about being a horrible human being and companion in what at least began as consensual relationships. Emotional manipulation was not really the foundation of #metoo; sexual harrassment and rape are. We're now in the gray area where living your life with no respect for women is equivalent to sex crimes. Who knows, maybe that's how it should be.
@@SuperRobertoClemente That is NOT how it should be. You can't go to jail for being an asshole. Distinctions need to be made and enforced if the metoo movement wants to be taken seriously and not reduced to parody.
and yes i know 29 is a song on the album cold roses
100% true. I just checked Jims's website and the picture of him made me laugh so hard I nearly shit myself.
If you don't get it, you don't get it. When it is clear that many others do then it probably would be better for a "critic" to go and review something they do understand or, at least, really care about. Critics ought to
I'd like to see a critics review of Jim DeRogatis. New show, "Critics Analyzing Critics".
Ryan Adams is a joke in his field. Jim is a legend in his.
Why do people even get mad at journalist. It only fuels their fire even more. Doubles the material. I wonder what his review for Ryan Adams was like next time he came to town.
Yeah dude, keep coming back! Don't ignore it if that ain't your thing. It's fun to add a discipline to the all too easy job of music criticism. I hope this DeRogatis eventually will be able to publish a bootleg CD with a whole collection of Ryan On The Answering Machine. I like that he's hurt, but not stupid or threatening. Cool guy.
this is so awesome
Ryan Adams Is an awesome musician and he also is a great entertainer!
I don't think Ryan Adams was whining at all, he was standing up for himself against a douche bag who has probably never written an original song in his life. Ryan Adams is one of my biggest inspirations in the music business and I don't think anyone has come closer to capturing the way emotion is portrayed in their music better than him
Why would Jim DeRogatis release this / post this to youtube?
Music journalists have written bullshit to suit their own agendas since the music press started. I guess Ryan has no problem with constructive criticism, but is understandably irritated by personal nit picking dressed up a review. I see it all the time, artists get this shit and are expected to take it. I don’t blame him for leaving this message, and it’s not the explosive rant it’s often described as being.
Love you ryan adams!
You can't talk abuot the music, it's too fucking good.
:)
Is Ryan Adams a 16 year girl?
The sound I make would probably be more tuneful than any of Ryan's unmemorable ditties.
Honestly I don't think you know what you are talking about...I have never heard of Ryan Adams going to "the trendiest NYC nightclubs" (I dont know about he underage groupies). Whenever I have seen him out he usually is in dive bars.
Also I don't know many posers who writes as much music as him. But nice comment anyway.
@pugggs
Oh, I'm sorry. Did I overlook the fact that a rock star left a message on a music critic's private answering machine because he gave (B)ryan Adams a bad review? Was it more nuanced and subtle than that?
The "grown-up musicians" that I know -- although they aren't rockstars -- learn what they can from criticism, and move on.
The thing is, I enjoy Ryan Adams' records, and his shows. I don't enjoy his juvenile tirades against anyone who thinks he is less than stellar.
Fuck yeah! Ryan Adams ripped that grouchy old man a new one. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but I really despise people who critisise others, and yet they themselves never contribute any thing to society. Jim derogatis should try to create something origional for once in his life, instead of critising the creative talent of others.
There are people in show business with incredible talent and people that are jealous of those people. Adams' talent speaks for itself.
poor Ryan Adams, does he know that this record is public??
szegény R.A. tudja vajon, hogy ez a felvétel publikus???
Come after him?
Lordy. Maybe he just don't like Ryan Adams. Shouldn't Ryan Adams just get over it? Isn't it his JOB to say Ryan Adams sucks if he thinks that Ryan Adams sucks?
Lord. Ryan Adams has serious delusions of persecution. And grandure.
Sounds like he's challenging DeRogatis. Who's petty here? He says he will keep coming back but tells DeRogatis not to.
come on guys,
ryan is amazing and everyone has their times
I like Ryan & reviewers are often sad people anyway. The magic thing about art is that it doesn't have to be explained or have a fuckn reason. It can be an emotion or even spiritual thing. As soon as someone tries to cut it to pieces & try to explain it logically, give it some rules or control my perception of it I turn off. I was surprised at how long you can talk on those things :)
Not everything Ryan does is at the same genius level. But who else other than Neil Young can play such a varied number of styles album to album or even song to song and sound like it's the only style he's ever done? There's true genius in him and I love him because he does the music because it's within him and he's compelled to let it out. I don't think it's about fame or money with him at all. And of course he got mad about this review because it attacked his integrity.
They're called haters Ryan... They're EVERYWHERE! This is the kind of shit those dip-shits live on.
He is someone who most likely tried to be a musician and fucking failed. He's angry and jealous because more than likely Ryan Adams turned out exactly like he (Jim DeRogatis) wanted to be.
Can't be that thin skinned...love Ryan's music...but as a high school basketball coach (hardly in the same public eye as RA) I know this comes with the territory...let it ride,
Penning whatever you want doesn't mean it's necessarily worthwhile (look at rap)
those who can.... do, those who cant become critics.
I fucking love ryan adams I saw him at Newcastle he was amazing the guy is great
Nice message, Ryan. There are waaaaaaayyyy better things to do than give hacks like Jim Dewhatever your time and attention.
[Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful!]
Good for you, Ryan. I think that Ryan writes better songs than Courtney, The Replacements or "even Wilco." But because Ryan likes to have fun and not take himself completely seriously like that overrated "artiste", Jeff Tweedy, he gets slagged. Screw the critics. Screw Jeff Tweedy for that matter. And since when does "Courtney" even belong in the same conversation as Ryan Adams?
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this made my buddy ryan look really whiny. love him, but... not everyone is going to or is even obligated to!
Calver -- did you just join You Tube to write that comment? That's cute.
Ryan Adams a patchwork of Stones/Young/alt.country with no sound of his own (I'd rather listen to Bryan Adams)
I've never heard of ryan adams...and i never want to.
I saw him in San Diego in 2014. Fantastic show.
I keep pushing 6 but ryan keeps complaining about tweedy. Damn machine.
This video is ancient.
Yeah, I was probably too harsh on Tweedy. He's a very good songwriter, but Wilco's rise to indi-god status is more to due to their being martyred by their label than pure talent. As to the charge that I don't know what I'm f-ing talking about, hey, I'm just a fan with an opinion and my opinion is that Wilco's overrated. Always liked Son Volt better, to be honest.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! The music biz gets personal? Like it ALL is...shocking!
Good one, thanks for posting it.
Who calls critics? haha This is ridiculous.