Expensive steel was a genius marketing move for the knife industry. People drop all kinds of money on super steel, just to fidget flip them, and break down a box occasionally. 99.9% of people, including us, couldn't tell a difference if the blades weren't marked.
Yeah I think the tempering/heat treatment matter way more than the steel itself - I had a Benchmade Osborne in D2 and it was the worst blade ever but I’ve got plenty of others that are great and hold a decent edge.
I'd call this a hyperbolic generalization of knife users, but maybe I'm part of the 0.1% that actually uses my knives instead of focusing my finger strength on calling a handyman. Without getting too much into the weeds (I was a materials engineer for about a decade prior to my current job), I use my knowledge and understanding of the variety of steels to match it to the knife design best suited to a variety of tasks. Prior to the introduction of Cruwear and Magnacut (replacing 3v, xhp and s35vn) steels generally excelled in certain areas yet had significant weakness for other tasks. Understanding how the chemical composition leads to the properties of the steel allows you to match that steel to the intended function of the knife, the maintenance required before and after the task the knife is used for, and the appropriate angle to set the edge of the knives. E.g. I had (sadly lost) a Spyderco dragonfly in zdp189 that was a perfect knife for high precision delicate tasks with a very acute angle. I also had a delica in zdp189 that chipped without much abuse. To your point I use a maxamet Spyderco military to breakdown cardboard but those knives go back into a humidity controlled environment afterwards and every few months I do a light coat of kroil on it. For tasks in and around water I used to use a Spyderco Caribbean in lc200N that I would strop afterwards. For impact heavy tasks I use a variety of fixed blades in 3V that I maintain convex edges on. There are many more examples, but in summary I use what I consider the right knife with the appropriate steel for the specific task I'm aiming to complete while limiting the maintenance I need to perform on the blade to keep it in satisfactory condition until the next task I need to use it for. Will Cruwear or Magnacut outperform the above better than knives with steels best suited for the specific task? Well, aside from Magnacut replacing my LC200N knives the answer is no. However, knives composed of Cruwear or Magnacut are such balanced steels that can perform almost as well as most steels specific to the tasks. The maintenance before and after using blades in Cruwear or Magnacut may be slightly more than a knife with steel that excels at a singular task (e.g. I may need to wipe down and coat a Cruwear blade in kroil after exposing it to moisture but it's not like using a maxamet blade that will literally begin to form corrosion on the edge leading to chipping before the task is complete, or I may need to strop a Magnacut blade more frequently than a knife using zdp189 but I don't have to baby the Magnacut), but there isn't much you can accomplish most things without anxiety in those steels. Which is why they're great EDC steels. I consider my knives tools, and I prefer to have the confidence that I'm using the right tool for the right job without having to worry about damaging the tool or failing at the task at hand. Maybe I make up that 0.1%, but it's simply untrue that you can't tell the difference. An analogy for what you said is most people can't tell the difference in a vehicle because a bus will get you from point A to point B just as well as a Porsche or a Jeep Wrangler, and 99.9% of people can't tell the difference. And since you live in NYC and take the subway you're qualified to make that statement. I don't just sit around and flip my knives. I use them as the tools they were intended to be.
One remarkable property of the Shark Lock is that it can be safely opened and closed one handed, without the need to use one's thumb. I have a very good friend who lost 80% of his right thumb function in an accident. Using the Shark Lock, he can pull the back on the lock, flick the blade open, and release the lock all using his index finger. When closing, he simply pulls back the lock again, and let's the dropshutty action handle the rest. The knife world often seems locked into a design paradigm where 99% of all locking and deployment controls require some kind of interaction with the thumb. In this way, the Shark Lock stands out as a truly innovative design.
I was gonna say check out the benchmade axis lock since it can be closed with just an index finger but it may be a bit tough without a thumb to support the opposite side. Theres the spyderco compression lock. That can be all index finger and one hand open close too. probably not as accessible as the shark lock but pretty good still just careful cause there are some lefty compression locks that would be useless to him, but most are righty.
@@beebait1464 thank, that's great advice. I did let him try out my PM2 and with a little practice he could get it closed one handed. The Spydie flick had him completely baffled though, lol. Didn't think to try an Axis style lock. May let him try my Super Freek as well. I lent him my AD-20 to carry for a bit and he liked it a lot, but it was a little too large and heavy for his taste, especially for summertime shorts carry. Also, you could have knocked him down with a feather when I told him what one cost. 😝
@@richardcameronlewis an axis lock definitely wouldn't work well for someone missing some thumb, it requires a pinch and pull, it's not a push or pull with just the index and maybe thumb supporting sort of affair like the other comment claimed
Let's just say I'd much rather have 3v or 4v then s35 on a knife like this. Toughness is through the roof. And 3v probably rivals s35 edge holding if treated correctly
AUS10A is a totally great steel, and he had an in from past business. its was the right move to make. He needs to get a kitty going, and then maybe we will have a sweet production catalog from Demko knives to replace Cold Steel and make up for the fact that cash hounds are dragging that brand through the mud.
I love the shark lock. I hope it shows up more in the future too. I'd like to see some edge retention testing on the 20.5 soon. I feel like there are better knives available to me for $150. Great review at always Nick.
It goes SnickClickitySnickityClick!!!!! 😆 personally I really dig the design and will buy one for that and, if nothing else, to help reward the idea of producing a more affordable version of a high end knife. Sharksfoot for the win
Three great big problems got overlooked here: 1) The entire knife was scaled down without taking hand size into regard. Even average size hands are not not going to fit on the handle without choking up as a result of the contouring. 2) Choking up is going to put your finger right up against the blade. 3) The knife is stupidly thick behind the edge. That's three pieces of ugly that got completely overlooked while getting hung up on the steel choice.
@@rockets4kids Have you handled or bought one? Mine just came in the mail today. 1: I’ve got large to extra large hands and far fingers. The knife is pretty comfortable in my hand, though I can’t get a full 4 finger grip on it. 2: I can choke up on the knife and my finger isn’t in contact with the blade edge. 3: It’s not “stupidly thick” behind the edge. The blade and grip are far thinner than I expected them to be. If you haven’t handled one (which I don’t think you have or you would have said you had), then you’re not in a position to pass on those opinions as facts. 1: How do you know Demko didn’t take hand size into regard? Have you talked to him about it? 2: Do you have to choke up on every blade you own? If it’s going to cut you, don’t do it. That’s what a smart person would do. 3: How did you determine the blade is “stupidly thick” behind the edge? What ratio of blade spine thickness to grind did you use to decide? Do you own any knives with a Scandi grind, like a Mora?
@@FriedPi-mc5yt You just got the knife today? There's a big difference between fondling a knife for a few minutes and actually using it. As to the thickness behind the edge, what is the actual measurement on yours?
@@rockets4kids There is also a big difference between seeing a video of a knife and actually fondling it for an hour. Since you’re bringing up blade thickness again. I’m guessing that’s going to be the thing you’re going to focus on? But you’re going to dismiss the other points I made? If you didn’t know the blade thickness, how did you decide it was “stupidly thick”? Just for the short few hours I’ve owned the knife, I have more experience with it than you have with one. The blade thickness is right at .13” if my caliper is correct. It’s .01” thicker than my Kershaw Launch 7 and it’s .02” thicker than my Spyderco Delica. So, I guess any blade thickness over .10” is “stupidly thick”?
When Cold Steel was making Demko designs they could offset costs due to their production volumes etc. Now that AD is breaking into mainstream on his own he has to cover the costs - hence the budget steel. I think as AD moves forward we'll see more designs and more steel flavours. This is the brand to watch over the next 1-2 years.
@@Torqd_Off Demko makes great knives - custom or production. The Demko 20.5 production knife drew some criticism for using AUS10 on a $100+ knife. This is really a personal value choice. AUS10A is a well balanced mid-range s/steel that will suit most people. For me the value isn't quite there with the steel BUT please don't be put off on a quality knife from a well respected designer. US$159 is about current shop price. If you like it - get it and you won't be disappointed. Have a great day.
@@realbroggo I've since found these Doug Ritter knives that I think are a better value and more like what I want... blade shape and accessories. Black pocket clip and hardware. I found a purple gmascus full size I like, but the brown one with black blade will go well with my SIG M17. Always choices... but Thanx for your input. They are getting new stuff in for the AD20.5 at Knife Center, and new knives. So if I do change my mind, they might still be available. I also saw where he's talking about doing an AD25...
If the AUS-10A steel is the same as Cold Steel uses, it should be pretty darn good. I have several Cold Steels in that steel and it reminds me a lot of 154CM.
Another great review! I have a hard time thinking this knife is $115 better than, say, a CJRB Feldspar but different strokes for different folks. The Shark Lock is pretty cool.
Seeing that Wampum,PA on there makes me proud as hell!!! I’m from Ellwood City,PA, Wampum is a stones throw away from Ellwood. I’ve walked there many times... it’s a super small... ummm not city definitely a town. Cause it’s about a few blocks long. In 20 mins you could walk thru the whole town. Small! Lol but yeah... WAMPUM PA buddy!!!! Wooop woop!!
They're so good I had to buy two! ✌️ It's been in my pocket since release. This isn't typically my style of knife but I absolutely love the AD20.5. If you're on the fence, get off and get one.
@@CorkKNIFE I got both styles as well. One from a knifecenter preorder that was filled last week and one from REC that they brought back from blade show and didn’t have listed on their site. Just had a few for regular customers and I happened to walk in and ask about them. Needed a secret handshake to get one. 😂
@@theknifeconnection9571 It’s the greatest modestly priced EDC ever made. If you’re hung up on the steel you can wait for the other options they plan on offering for a few bucks more in the future.. Im personally fine with Aus10A. Good EDC steel and easy to put a great edge on. I enjoy sharpening so it’s actually a positive.
Cruwear would be a good steel for the people who love to sharpen such as my self. Even m4. Since its a tough style knife. Aus10 isn't bad. I like it on my 60 dollar knives. But it's so cheap. 150 I can't spend that for frn and aus 10. I'm glad you like it. Good looking knife and great design. But not for me. I honestly don't like the blade to handle ratio either. Thickness behind the edge.
Hey, good stuff today Nick. I like your take on the ad20.5 I really like AD’s overbuilt stuff and looking forward to trying the more EDC friendly version. Aus10a isn’t too shabby really for daily use. Lol
Nothing wrong with aus10a.. also demko said its was the hardest steel they could still cut with a press. He stated he already spent 30k on tooling to produce this knife. And using a harder steel would have ment water jet,or lazer cutting. Which will be done in the future... Properly heat treated aus10a is on par with 154cm but lying knife makers have beat it in our head so long we all believe 154cm is far superior , when all it is ,is an imaginary improvement to charge you 100 bucks more for a knife edge retention test have proven that the differerence is negligible.. andrew is upfront with his customers and is one of the very few designers that do stuff truly innovative like this and dont gouge you for 500 dollars for a knife. Support him man.. its really not that hard..
I really like mine and have no complaints about the price, other than AUS-10A is a blade steel I have no experience with. Another video about the AD20.5 said it was comparable to 154CM, at least with the heat treat the AD20.5 is getting. One tip on closing it: if you pull the sharklock up as you pull it back the blade will fall shut with zero wrist action required.
Tell ya Nickster, i was into a 31/2" Hinderer. Then some years ago I got the 3" and changed my whole philosophy of use for the folder. Much smaller handles, thinner, and just as usable.
Agree wholeheartedly! Demco doesn't have the buying power that the big boys do. I mean, come on folks, how many knives out there are WAY overpriced for what they are? Cough cough...Bugout...Cough! SMH... Shoot, the Spyderco Delica is damn near $90 and it's plastic and VG10! I have Civivi's that run circles around it at half the price! Heck, my many TwoSuns show up a lot of knives double their cost! Demko knows what he's doing, and I believe in the long run, we will see some reductions and a greater variety from these guys.
Knife center has them for $125 12/2022 for is folks who have been holding back or waiting . Only red and orange so I ordered the original goat scales and backspacer for a whole package around $200 seemed doable and fine . Thanks for your input . I m not expecting much tbh . I 100% modded a manix 2 amd was impressed a f brother Nick so we ll see . Happy Holidays . I really miss not seeing more vids or some fun “ gas stations knife” vids 😂.
AUS10A isn't as bad of a steel as you think. Its pretty comparable to 154cm and VG10. Considering there are companies using 154cm at prices over $150, I don't believe this is too out of line.
Add in the design and ergonomics are pretty awesome and it’s the Demko’s first production knife, Aus 10 is not a bad choice. You’re absolutely right about other knife makers using 154cm and even S35VN on way higher priced knifes. You can get S35VN, Nitro V and other “great “ steels for under $100 now. I think most people group Aus10 in with Aus8 but by doing a little research, you can see the difference.
Outpost76 just did a cut test and the numbers are like 154cm. I don't think most people could tell a difference. I'm fine with aus10a if it's done right, and it is
@@tima7662 exactly. I don't know why people keep saying the price is crazy. Do I wish it was $25 cheaper? Yes, but for $150 this knife is absolutely worth it
@@alexhill828 I agree and I’m just waiting for the restocks to pick one up. It’s a great design with good materials and Taiwan manufacturers do an excellent job on quality control. Nick gets a lot of high quality knifes thrown at him so get the perspective but for the EDC guy, this one is just right!
I really like the AD 20.5 and I'd get one...But then I look over at my mini-RSK, and realize it's better in nearly every way (especially blade steel, 20cv vs AUS 10 is no contest) and also was $10 cheaper.
I'm a Demko fan. Love the AD20 but caught and released the AD20.5 even though I love the size. Here's why: 1. Sharklock release is a fingertip killer. This is not an issue on the AD20 but is on the 20.5 - not sure why - width? gimping? It hurts like hell though. 2. Materials need an upgrade. I'd rather pay $200 for G10 and 20CV than $150 for Grivory and AUS10A 3. In current form it won't displace my Para 3 Maxamet (but probably would with a materials upgrade and some fix for the release)
It took meb2 years to finally pick one up but in k110 steel. I immediately replaced the scales with flytanium jade bandwidth scales flytanium thumbstuds and backspacer. Clip was replaced with a lynch nw deep carry. The scales def make a huge difference in feel and ascetic. I also kept the other one bone stock both are amazing to Me
Excellent review! I'll admit to being able to overlook some flaws if the design appeals to me. Also, if a knife that's great in many ways doesn't grab me appearance-wise, I'll skip it (examples are Bugout, Griptilian, RSK). So - I ended up with the Shark Foot variant of this Demko for daily carry/harder use and the Wharncliffe variant of the Hogue Deka for dressy carry. I'm of course hoping for a CPM154 (or better) blade with micarta, G10, and titanium scale production versions of the Demko down the road. BTW - I scored the Demko for $20 over list on fleaBay, the first (and hopefully ONLY) time I have ever had to resort to such extremes to find a highly desirable knife.
@@Torqd_Off If you don't have one yet, I'd say yes - pick whichever blade shape suits you! Check with various vendors, though - as they are now available with many more handle colors as well as K110 (D2) steel, and some have it with a black blade.
I have unfortunately developed SLF from constant flipping for 7 days. Shark lock finger is a real concern if you are a fidget flipper. My index finger is raw. Ouch… I’ve needed to start using my thumb to unlock it. I did take a small file to all the edges of my shark lock nub 2 days ago. As pointed out, they are a bit sharp and increase the speed of SLF development. All in all I LOVE this knife. Mediocre steel? Eeehh. Don’t really care. If they come out with a 20CV version with titanium scales I’m first in line though. 😁
@@Thedoctorkirby Yes, but I want a production version in this size in 20CV and titanium scales at about $225-250. I would be willing to bet that will happen eventually. Different steels and different scales. Certainly G-10 will be available at some point as well.
@@Thedoctorkirby yes they do, but I wouldn’t buy a full size AD-20, even the AD-20 compact are wayyy to massive for me. I too would buy a 20.5 with a better blade steel. I would love one with maroon red or jade G-10 scales.
A cool knife for sure but hard to justify it at $150 when it’s rocking AUS10 and made in Taiwan when I can get a made in america para 3 with s45vn for $175
Decided to go for it and bought myself the AD20.5 with a tanto blade, 3V steel, and G-10 scales (out of what was available, it was the one that most caught my eye). Annnnnd…I promptly sliced open a flap on the side of my index finger on the corner of the sharpening choil while wiping the excess oil off of the blade. Whoops! Great knife though, came really sharp 😅
Happy owner of one of these; gray FRN, clip point blade. What I'm stunned by is people saying the knife is "AUS-8" in other reviews in the comments. Look, I don't mind you not liking the knife, but AUS-10a isn't THAT poor. As Nick said below, he'd still drag the knife if it were in 154CM or VG-10, and that's fair, but those steels--which are pretty comparable to AUS-10a--also happen to blow AUS-8 out of the water. Early CIVIVIs getting torn to pieces for their 9Cr18MoV blades sounding too much like 8Cr13MoV, anyone (and people also really waling away at the Elementum Fixed Blade in particular for being in 10Cr15CoMoV...even though that's literally to VG-10 what M390 to 20CV; the exact same steel under a different name)?
The US city name on a foreign made product may actually be an issue on the import side, too. Customs import regulations are pretty specific around when US names can be used. Given that it says Taiwan versus clearly stating "Made in Taiwan" makes the presence of a US city name problematic.
It doesnt make a claim about being "made in" that city. Think of it like a souvenir you purchased in a gift shop. It has the name of the place its being sold at but on the bottom it clearly says made in china or whatever. Kinda same here but the key difference is it doesn't make the claim "made in" anywhere. Its just a list of places. This would definitely be a special case in imports control and would likely have to be filed for a lawsuit as misleading consumers, but since theyre not claiming "made in" it doesnt matter with current laws.
@@beebait1464 it's moreso about the lack of a clear and distinct declaration of "Made in Taiwan" vs just stating "Taiwan" that's the issue. Anything that could be reasonably construed to confuse a potential end buyer is an issue in the eyes of CBP, at least it has been in past rulings they've issued. 19 C.F.R 134.47 is the bit of the regulations that addresses this.
I just start collecting knives this year. Just got the AD20.5, I think it’s pretty cool. I don’t understand why so many knives I buy have stiff swinging action, I see in videos all the knife blades swing freely, but with this knife and Spydercos that I’ve bought you almost have to push the blade closed with your other hand. Am I supposed to disassemble and lube the knife every time I buy one, or am I just getting unlucky and keep getting knives with quality issues?
I usually have the opposite problem the knives I buy are usually to loose and I have to tighten and fuss with them to get them just right. It's hard to get the right balance between drop shut without blade play.
I came to find your review on this specifically because of the blade steel. I love that lock but the steel kind of made me raise an eyebrow given the price. Glad to see you still recommend it though. I might have to pick one up. Also, no shark repellent joke from the guy in a batman mask? missed opportunity sir!
Nick I just bought this in the clip point. Blade steel is listed as k110. Obviously still a budget steel. But id choose d2(k110) over Aus10a any day. Grivory flat dark earth handle looks pretty trick on the one I bought from knifecenter
I'd love to own a Demko. But I don't think this will be it. Kinda so-so steel, grivery scales for a buck fifty. Just feels a lil gougeish to me, but I am intrigued by the shark lock. Ohhh hell I'm on the fence now. 👍🇺🇸👍🔪
First: AUS-10A is what Demko knives could get at the time due to supply line issues. Second: Almost immediately after release they started making this is D2, once they were able to get it. Last: People need to stop bashing aus10a and actually try using it. It is a totally serviceable steel, that is reasonably tough and still holds decent edge. People are lumping it in with aus8, and the two couldn't be farther apart.
Nick, thanks for your nit-pics, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Your awesome dude. I purchased this knife in CPM 3V tool steel, love it, but the shark lock spring is too strong and stiff, but the blade steel, wow, I have cut a lot and edge retention is good.....thank-you for your reviews, so appreciated.
Between the blade steel and grivory scales...what in the world? I didn't think much of these knives, until I held one in my hand! The very first thing I did was replace those grivory scales with micarta. I don't understand why they couldn't at least use micarta or G10. Nevertheless I ended up buying one of each blade design and have carried not much else since I bought them. Thanks for sharing this video with us!
I see no issue with putting where it was developed on the skin. In fact, it is important to include this IMO, as the knife is made to- and responsible to meeting those quality standards.
HA! no joke. Wampum PA on the pivot collar is super weird. I am intrigued with this knife, but honestly, I need to handle one before I drop 150 on an AUS10 and plastic knife. I actually really love AUS10 as a mid level non particle steel, but like Nick said, it should be S35VN, or the knife should cost 100 bucks. I hope this goes on sale at some point, and it probably will, and I hope that I am online when that happens so I can feel a little better about picking this up. This was an exceptional review from NIck, which is really saying something. This is why I watch.
Love the lock and the general design, indifferent about the steel, somewhat disappointed in the scale material (despite it making sense with the faux-pivot collar and clip rest). Honestly I'd be more tempted to save the cash and splurge on a proper mini-AD20 down the line.
These AD20.5 Shark-Lock Folders absolutely "ROCK!!!" I absolutely luv mine. They're awesome UEDC Folders. That's my opinion. I think they're "Greeeeat!" As Tony the Tiger would say... :-) But, you're right about the price. But, these are the most affordable Shark-Lock Folder... So, I'm torn on the materials and price... All I can say is that my Shark's Foot AD20.5 has become my favorite UEDC... So, I say "Get One!" These "ROCK!!!" Great Video, Bro! :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
There is one thing they could do better, which is the pull trigger or button on the back. It is too narrow and sharp, and it bites into the tip of your finger. After playing with it for a while, the tip of my index finger became a little red and swollen. They could easily make this part larger and more comfortable. there is already something protruding from the back of the knife already. What difference would it make if they made it a little bigger? It wouldn't affect the appearance. For this type of knife, more owner use it for playing rather than actually using it for cutting. It's a fidget knife. Improving the grip feeling is more important.
I must be missing something here. Are the people that purchased the bigger $450 knife complaining about $150 for this version. Yes the $450 version is made in America and has better materials but does that warrant another $300 ?
Now that I have one of these, I’m shocked there was no mention of this knife’s pocket destroying capabilities. It’s worse in that respect than every other knife I own
The steel may not be ideal at the price point, I don't think it's an actual issue and is probably indicative of the nature of the beast. The Demkos are a small operation, in order to make ends meet the may have to make that kind of steel compromise, secondly there's the Shark lock. It's something that will require the factory to tool up for in a significant way, rather than something like a liner or frame lock, with a fiddlier assembly process than those kinds of locks as well. This is on my list and I'm excited to try it out!
@@theknifeconnection9571 The point is that it's vastly different in regards to tooling rather than overall complexity. There's also the snowball effect, every dollar you add to production gets magnified as everyone along the way gets their cut of the sticker price.
Thanks, Nick. Always appreciate your straight forward reviews. I had this on my shopping list, thought $149 was Ok for the design and the novel lock, then noticed it was D2 steel (? maybe they changed? ) and had much the same thought you did @ AUS10 -- 149$? Really? I expected S30 or S35 or something similar. Strikes me that Cold Steel is simply upping their profit margin.
I feel the price could come down if they’d do a cheaper box, and not include the zipper pouch, sticker, cloth, and velcro patch. I still like it though.
Had my Sharksfoot for several days. Worth every dime. Demko's Shark Lock putting fingers out of harms way has got to have the competition thinking, a lot.
If they had used G10 instead of injection molded plastic, and say S35VN and charged an extra 50 bucks, I would pick one up. I was going to pick one up, but I think I would rather wait for a better iteration down the line, or maybe even just save for the real one.
There will be a variety of steels and scale materials. They needed steel that could be stamped and a handle that could be injection molded to meet the price points. Andrew said it cost $30,000 for the tooling to do these.
@@jagpilotohio I understand. I'm glad they got it up and running, and I'm sure they will sell very well. I'm excited to see what's coming in the future. Perhaps they can even take Cold Steel's place in the market after the inevitable changes looming under new ownership take effect.
I like both knives but i don't care for how short the sharks foot is vs the handle. It doesn't look right when it's closed. They should have shortened the handle scales for the sharks foot to mirror the length of the blade.
You’d have to get one in hand to see why. They had to. I have both of them. There is no way to make the blade longer or the scales shorter. The tip of the blade very nearly hits the backspacer as it is now when it’s closed.
I have one and the shark lock rattles side to side and knife can be flipped open without even touching the lock rather easily. Anyone else have this issue?
It's a lot like the Tenacious LW, just in S35VN. 🤣 In all seriousness, it's probably pretty great, but the fact that it's a sprint makes that largely academic.
@@NickShabazz I don't believe that the Tenacious Lightweight S35VN is a sprint run. It is listed as a standard production item in Spydercos current catalog. Am I missing something?
Nick, long time fan and subscriber of the channel - just wanted to give an unpopular opinion but the AD20.5 is an overpriced hype beast. The everyday working man that buys this knife didnt get it for free we paid 150$ for one that wasnt heavily QA'd and dull out of the box - I posted an honest consumer review on my channel that I bought and paid for, im not sure how anyone can suggest this over a spyderco para 3. _ This is not a slam against you, just wanted to share my thoughts for those who are on the fence and want something quality I cant say this is an adviseable option as long as spyderco provides better quality and value for the same or less money.
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Expensive steel was a genius marketing move for the knife industry. People drop all kinds of money on super steel, just to fidget flip them, and break down a box occasionally. 99.9% of people, including us, couldn't tell a difference if the blades weren't marked.
I think it definitely gets to a point of diminishing returns.
Yeah I think the tempering/heat treatment matter way more than the steel itself - I had a Benchmade Osborne in D2 and it was the worst blade ever but I’ve got plenty of others that are great and hold a decent edge.
I'd call this a hyperbolic generalization of knife users, but maybe I'm part of the 0.1% that actually uses my knives instead of focusing my finger strength on calling a handyman.
Without getting too much into the weeds (I was a materials engineer for about a decade prior to my current job), I use my knowledge and understanding of the variety of steels to match it to the knife design best suited to a variety of tasks. Prior to the introduction of Cruwear and Magnacut (replacing 3v, xhp and s35vn) steels generally excelled in certain areas yet had significant weakness for other tasks. Understanding how the chemical composition leads to the properties of the steel allows you to match that steel to the intended function of the knife, the maintenance required before and after the task the knife is used for, and the appropriate angle to set the edge of the knives.
E.g. I had (sadly lost) a Spyderco dragonfly in zdp189 that was a perfect knife for high precision delicate tasks with a very acute angle. I also had a delica in zdp189 that chipped without much abuse. To your point I use a maxamet Spyderco military to breakdown cardboard but those knives go back into a humidity controlled environment afterwards and every few months I do a light coat of kroil on it. For tasks in and around water I used to use a Spyderco Caribbean in lc200N that I would strop afterwards. For impact heavy tasks I use a variety of fixed blades in 3V that I maintain convex edges on.
There are many more examples, but in summary I use what I consider the right knife with the appropriate steel for the specific task I'm aiming to complete while limiting the maintenance I need to perform on the blade to keep it in satisfactory condition until the next task I need to use it for.
Will Cruwear or Magnacut outperform the above better than knives with steels best suited for the specific task? Well, aside from Magnacut replacing my LC200N knives the answer is no. However, knives composed of Cruwear or Magnacut are such balanced steels that can perform almost as well as most steels specific to the tasks. The maintenance before and after using blades in Cruwear or Magnacut may be slightly more than a knife with steel that excels at a singular task (e.g. I may need to wipe down and coat a Cruwear blade in kroil after exposing it to moisture but it's not like using a maxamet blade that will literally begin to form corrosion on the edge leading to chipping before the task is complete, or I may need to strop a Magnacut blade more frequently than a knife using zdp189 but I don't have to baby the Magnacut), but there isn't much you can accomplish most things without anxiety in those steels. Which is why they're great EDC steels.
I consider my knives tools, and I prefer to have the confidence that I'm using the right tool for the right job without having to worry about damaging the tool or failing at the task at hand. Maybe I make up that 0.1%, but it's simply untrue that you can't tell the difference. An analogy for what you said is most people can't tell the difference in a vehicle because a bus will get you from point A to point B just as well as a Porsche or a Jeep Wrangler, and 99.9% of people can't tell the difference. And since you live in NYC and take the subway you're qualified to make that statement.
I don't just sit around and flip my knives. I use them as the tools they were intended to be.
One remarkable property of the Shark Lock is that it can be safely opened and closed one handed, without the need to use one's thumb. I have a very good friend who lost 80% of his right thumb function in an accident. Using the Shark Lock, he can pull the back on the lock, flick the blade open, and release the lock all using his index finger. When closing, he simply pulls back the lock again, and let's the dropshutty action handle the rest. The knife world often seems locked into a design paradigm where 99% of all locking and deployment controls require some kind of interaction with the thumb. In this way, the Shark Lock stands out as a truly innovative design.
tell your friend to check out the Bean flipper slipjoint, it's all index finger
@@lookfat Awesome, thanks! I'll do it.
I was gonna say check out the benchmade axis lock since it can be closed with just an index finger but it may be a bit tough without a thumb to support the opposite side. Theres the spyderco compression lock. That can be all index finger and one hand open close too. probably not as accessible as the shark lock but pretty good still just careful cause there are some lefty compression locks that would be useless to him, but most are righty.
@@beebait1464 thank, that's great advice. I did let him try out my PM2 and with a little practice he could get it closed one handed. The Spydie flick had him completely baffled though, lol. Didn't think to try an Axis style lock. May let him try my Super Freek as well. I lent him my AD-20 to carry for a bit and he liked it a lot, but it was a little too large and heavy for his taste, especially for summertime shorts carry. Also, you could have knocked him down with a feather when I told him what one cost. 😝
@@richardcameronlewis an axis lock definitely wouldn't work well for someone missing some thumb, it requires a pinch and pull, it's not a push or pull with just the index and maybe thumb supporting sort of affair like the other comment claimed
Demko said in a bladeshow video Next year they're coming out with S35vn and 3V versions
Maybe the price will come down on this version when they do. S35 would be sweet though, I don't know much about 3v.
@@rashadnagi7531 maybe but doubt price drop i think they are keeping handle same but offering different colors
Let's just say I'd much rather have 3v or 4v then s35 on a knife like this. Toughness is through the roof. And 3v probably rivals s35 edge holding if treated correctly
@@theknifeconnection9571 totally agree with you
Eh to each their own. I. Not going to explain myself s35 sucks
Aus10A is the best steel Demko could get blanks stamped for the knives. He has mentioned possible variations with different steel
AUS10 isn't even a bad steel. I saw a video of a cut test where it's around VG10/154CM which no one considers bad.
@David P. I understand but you are also paying for the innovation of the lock as well.
AUS10A is a totally great steel, and he had an in from past business. its was the right move to make. He needs to get a kitty going, and then maybe we will have a sweet production catalog from Demko knives to replace Cold Steel and make up for the fact that cash hounds are dragging that brand through the mud.
I love the shark lock. I hope it shows up more in the future too. I'd like to see some edge retention testing on the 20.5 soon. I feel like there are better knives available to me for $150. Great review at always Nick.
it's awesome that the shark lock is easily available now. very nice design
I'm refreshing retailers DAILY for this bugger. My most anticipated piece since Para 3 LW came out.
@j k because it's awesome. You don't like it?
@j k because its a demko. Its a new strong lock. And its an obtainable Demko.
It goes SnickClickitySnickityClick!!!!! 😆 personally I really dig the design and will buy one for that and, if nothing else, to help reward the idea of producing a more affordable version of a high end knife. Sharksfoot for the win
@j k yea I’m not sold on them either. I like the design and lock. But I’m not a fan of the grivory scales and pocket clip, they look cheap to me
Gonna be another couple weeks I bet
I like the lock, not crazy about the rest of it.
Three great big problems got overlooked here: 1) The entire knife was scaled down without taking hand size into regard. Even average size hands are not not going to fit on the handle without choking up as a result of the contouring. 2) Choking up is going to put your finger right up against the blade. 3) The knife is stupidly thick behind the edge.
That's three pieces of ugly that got completely overlooked while getting hung up on the steel choice.
Especially for that obscene price
@@rockets4kids Have you handled or bought one? Mine just came in the mail today. 1: I’ve got large to extra large hands and far fingers. The knife is pretty comfortable in my hand, though I can’t get a full 4 finger grip on it. 2: I can choke up on the knife and my finger isn’t in contact with the blade edge. 3: It’s not “stupidly thick” behind the edge.
The blade and grip are far thinner than I expected them to be. If you haven’t handled one (which I don’t think you have or you would have said you had), then you’re not in a position to pass on those opinions as facts.
1: How do you know Demko didn’t take hand size into regard? Have you talked to him about it?
2: Do you have to choke up on every blade you own? If it’s going to cut you, don’t do it. That’s what a smart person would do.
3: How did you determine the blade is “stupidly thick” behind the edge? What ratio of blade spine thickness to grind did you use to decide? Do you own any knives with a Scandi grind, like a Mora?
@@FriedPi-mc5yt You just got the knife today? There's a big difference between fondling a knife for a few minutes and actually using it. As to the thickness behind the edge, what is the actual measurement on yours?
@@rockets4kids There is also a big difference between seeing a video of a knife and actually fondling it for an hour. Since you’re bringing up blade thickness again. I’m guessing that’s going to be the thing you’re going to focus on? But you’re going to dismiss the other points I made? If you didn’t know the blade thickness, how did you decide it was “stupidly thick”? Just for the short few hours I’ve owned the knife, I have more experience with it than you have with one.
The blade thickness is right at .13” if my caliper is correct. It’s .01” thicker than my Kershaw Launch 7 and it’s .02” thicker than my Spyderco Delica. So, I guess any blade thickness over .10” is “stupidly thick”?
When Cold Steel was making Demko designs they could offset costs due to their production volumes etc. Now that AD is breaking into mainstream on his own he has to cover the costs - hence the budget steel. I think as AD moves forward we'll see more designs and more steel flavours. This is the brand to watch over the next 1-2 years.
Demko has said these will eventually come in s35vn and D2. Along with some different handle colors.
I found these for $159... are they worth it?
@@Torqd_Off Demko makes great knives - custom or production. The Demko 20.5 production knife drew some criticism for using AUS10 on a $100+ knife. This is really a personal value choice. AUS10A is a well balanced mid-range s/steel that will suit most people. For me the value isn't quite there with the steel BUT please don't be put off on a quality knife from a well respected designer. US$159 is about current shop price. If you like it - get it and you won't be disappointed. Have a great day.
@@realbroggo I've since found these Doug Ritter knives that I think are a better value and more like what I want... blade shape and accessories. Black pocket clip and hardware. I found a purple gmascus full size I like, but the brown one with black blade will go well with my SIG M17. Always choices... but Thanx for your input. They are getting new stuff in for the AD20.5 at Knife Center, and new knives. So if I do change my mind, they might still be available. I also saw where he's talking about doing an AD25...
@@Torqd_Off Doug Ritter make excellent knives (and have done so for many years) so I'm sure you won't be disappointed!! Have a safe day.
If the AUS-10A steel is the same as Cold Steel uses, it should be pretty darn good. I have several Cold Steels in that steel and it reminds me a lot of 154CM.
Nick, just ordered a full Titanium AD-20.5 and figured I'd rewatch your video. Can we expect a quick review of the Titanium one soon?
Good Review Nick Does it have a weak Detent?
Another great review! I have a hard time thinking this knife is $115 better than, say, a CJRB Feldspar but different strokes for different folks. The Shark Lock is pretty cool.
Seeing that Wampum,PA on there makes me proud as hell!!! I’m from Ellwood City,PA, Wampum is a stones throw away from Ellwood. I’ve walked there many times... it’s a super small... ummm not city definitely a town. Cause it’s about a few blocks long. In 20 mins you could walk thru the whole town. Small! Lol but yeah... WAMPUM PA buddy!!!! Wooop woop!!
They're so good I had to buy two! ✌️ It's been in my pocket since release. This isn't typically my style of knife but I absolutely love the AD20.5. If you're on the fence, get off and get one.
Blade Show 2021 or did they actually make it to a retailer?
@@CorkKNIFE I got both styles as well. One from a knifecenter preorder that was filled last week and one from REC that they brought back from blade show and didn’t have listed on their site. Just had a few for regular customers and I happened to walk in and ask about them. Needed a secret handshake to get one. 😂
@@jagpilotohio ha. Never thought I'd hear of a secret handshake for aus10a
@@theknifeconnection9571 It’s the greatest modestly priced EDC ever made. If you’re hung up on the steel you can wait for the other options they plan on offering for a few bucks more in the future.. Im personally fine with Aus10A. Good EDC steel and easy to put a great edge on. I enjoy sharpening so it’s actually a positive.
Cruwear would be a good steel for the people who love to sharpen such as my self. Even m4. Since its a tough style knife. Aus10 isn't bad. I like it on my 60 dollar knives. But it's so cheap. 150 I can't spend that for frn and aus 10. I'm glad you like it. Good looking knife and great design. But not for me. I honestly don't like the blade to handle ratio either. Thickness behind the edge.
Hey, good stuff today Nick. I like your take on the ad20.5 I really like AD’s overbuilt stuff and looking forward to trying the more EDC friendly version. Aus10a isn’t too shabby really for daily use. Lol
Good news Nick, they just released the 20.5 in Titanium. Exclusive at knife center and the blade is 3v.
Totally agree with the price point on a AUS10A steel blade, so its a complete pass for me.
Should be at minimum s30v or 154cm.
@@mancaveedc7596 cpm154 will do just fine
What do you expect from cold steel? Thieves backed by a fanbase of mall ninjas
@@mancaveedc7596 aus10 performs almost identical to 154cm
Nothing wrong with aus10a.. also demko said its was the hardest steel they could still cut with a press. He stated he already spent 30k on tooling to produce this knife. And using a harder steel would have ment water jet,or lazer cutting. Which will be done in the future... Properly heat treated aus10a is on par with 154cm but lying knife makers have beat it in our head so long we all believe 154cm is far superior , when all it is ,is an imaginary improvement to charge you 100 bucks more for a knife edge retention test have proven that the differerence is negligible.. andrew is upfront with his customers and is one of the very few designers that do stuff truly innovative like this and dont gouge you for 500 dollars for a knife. Support him man.. its really not that hard..
Flytanium has titanium scales listed as coming soon! I’m stoked!
Do they have cruwear or m4 blade to go with the scales lol. Now we are talking about a sick knife
Have they made different scale versions?
Steel matters. It should be one of the major deciding factors.
AUS10A similar to 440C
Always enjoy your knife reviews! Do you think you will ever review the CRKT Raikiri?
I really like mine and have no complaints about the price, other than AUS-10A is a blade steel I have no experience with. Another video about the AD20.5 said it was comparable to 154CM, at least with the heat treat the AD20.5 is getting. One tip on closing it: if you pull the sharklock up as you pull it back the blade will fall shut with zero wrist action required.
I wonder the thought process behind using aus10a?
Tell ya Nickster, i was into a 31/2" Hinderer. Then some years ago I got the 3" and changed my whole philosophy of use for the folder. Much smaller handles, thinner, and just as usable.
You carried a 15.5 inch blade?!
Or 62 inch?
3 1/2"
Most people will never ever use their "super steels" to their full potential. Aus10a is more than okay for EDC
Agree wholeheartedly! Demco doesn't have the buying power that the big boys do. I mean, come on folks, how many knives out there are WAY overpriced for what they are? Cough cough...Bugout...Cough! SMH... Shoot, the Spyderco Delica is damn near $90 and it's plastic and VG10! I have Civivi's that run circles around it at half the price! Heck, my many TwoSuns show up a lot of knives double their cost! Demko knows what he's doing, and I believe in the long run, we will see some reductions and a greater variety from these guys.
Its a fine EDC steel. Its the PRICE of the knife thats the problem.
You'd notice the difference. Switching from 14c28n to s30v was crazy for me. But after that, not difference, really
Not for the price
Some people never use their super steels. Lol. They sit in a collection while they use a knife with a basic steel.,
Knife center has them for $125 12/2022 for is folks who have been holding back or waiting . Only red and orange so I ordered the original goat scales and backspacer for a whole package around $200 seemed doable and fine . Thanks for your input . I m not expecting much tbh . I 100% modded a manix 2 amd was impressed a f brother Nick so we ll see . Happy Holidays . I really miss not seeing more vids or some fun “ gas stations knife” vids 😂.
UPDATE 6/4/22: Demko is making the AD20.5 in Full Titanium and CPM3v. Knifecenter has them in stock right now. :)
AUS10A isn't as bad of a steel as you think. Its pretty comparable to 154cm and VG10. Considering there are companies using 154cm at prices over $150, I don't believe this is too out of line.
Add in the design and ergonomics are pretty awesome and it’s the Demko’s first production knife, Aus 10 is not a bad choice. You’re absolutely right about other knife makers using 154cm and even S35VN on way higher priced knifes. You can get S35VN, Nitro V and other “great “ steels for under $100 now. I think most people group Aus10 in with Aus8 but by doing a little research, you can see the difference.
Outpost76 just did a cut test and the numbers are like 154cm. I don't think most people could tell a difference. I'm fine with aus10a if it's done right, and it is
@@jonr1510 cold steel always does good heat treats. I'm not surprised that its doing well.
@@tima7662 exactly. I don't know why people keep saying the price is crazy. Do I wish it was $25 cheaper? Yes, but for $150 this knife is absolutely worth it
@@alexhill828 I agree and I’m just waiting for the restocks to pick one up. It’s a great design with good materials and Taiwan manufacturers do an excellent job on quality control. Nick gets a lot of high quality knifes thrown at him so get the perspective but for the EDC guy, this one is just right!
Its only a matter of time before we get percentages.
Well done Nick. IMHO, the 20.5 is a game changer. I have the drop point and hoping to get the SharkFoot as well. Just excellent.
I really like the AD 20.5 and I'd get one...But then I look over at my mini-RSK, and realize it's better in nearly every way (especially blade steel, 20cv vs AUS 10 is no contest) and also was $10 cheaper.
For outdoor stuff probably but most people won’t edc a fixed blade
@@zurich_edc2511 mini RSK is a folder
I'm a Demko fan. Love the AD20 but caught and released the AD20.5 even though I love the size. Here's why:
1. Sharklock release is a fingertip killer. This is not an issue on the AD20 but is on the 20.5 - not sure why - width? gimping? It hurts like hell though.
2. Materials need an upgrade. I'd rather pay $200 for G10 and 20CV than $150 for Grivory and AUS10A
3. In current form it won't displace my Para 3 Maxamet (but probably would with a materials upgrade and some fix for the release)
If you ever sell that Para finding something better. Lmk
Do you think their worth the price? I’m looking at getting one and changing the scales.
It took meb2 years to finally pick one up but in k110 steel. I immediately replaced the scales with flytanium jade bandwidth scales flytanium thumbstuds and backspacer. Clip was replaced with a lynch nw deep carry. The scales def make a huge difference in feel and ascetic. I also kept the other one bone stock both are amazing to Me
After a good amount of time with mine, the AUS10A is not a big deal. It functions great daily
If you want to remove the thumb stud you will have to use a soldering iron to heat it up before trying to loosen unless you just get lucky.
i think this knife will be complicated to install some aftermarket scales because of the shark lock?...
The demkos explained at blade show why choosing that steel made the most sense.
Excellent review! I'll admit to being able to overlook some flaws if the design appeals to me. Also, if a knife that's great in many ways doesn't grab me appearance-wise, I'll skip it (examples are Bugout, Griptilian, RSK). So - I ended up with the Shark Foot variant of this Demko for daily carry/harder use and the Wharncliffe variant of the Hogue Deka for dressy carry. I'm of course hoping for a CPM154 (or better) blade with micarta, G10, and titanium scale production versions of the Demko down the road. BTW - I scored the Demko for $20 over list on fleaBay, the first (and hopefully ONLY) time I have ever had to resort to such extremes to find a highly desirable knife.
I found these for $159... are they worth it?
@@Torqd_Off If you don't have one yet, I'd say yes - pick whichever blade shape suits you! Check with various vendors, though - as they are now available with many more handle colors as well as K110 (D2) steel, and some have it with a black blade.
I added RGT micarta scales to mine and absolutely love it.
I have unfortunately developed SLF from constant flipping for 7 days. Shark lock finger is a real concern if you are a fidget flipper. My index finger is raw. Ouch… I’ve needed to start using my thumb to unlock it.
I did take a small file to all the edges of my shark lock nub 2 days ago. As pointed out, they are a bit sharp and increase the speed of SLF development. All in all I LOVE this knife. Mediocre steel? Eeehh. Don’t really care. If they come out with a 20CV version with titanium scales I’m first in line though. 😁
I just got mine earlier this week and played with it on a 6 hour drive. My fingers are destroyed.
I’m pretty sure the AD-20 custom comes in that configuration if you can find one.
@@Thedoctorkirby Yes, but I want a production version in this size in 20CV and titanium scales at about $225-250. I would be willing to bet that will happen eventually. Different steels and different scales. Certainly G-10 will be available at some point as well.
@@Thedoctorkirby yes they do, but I wouldn’t buy a full size AD-20, even the AD-20 compact are wayyy to massive for me. I too would buy a 20.5 with a better blade steel. I would love one with maroon red or jade G-10 scales.
@@jonathanklein9168 I normally don’t care for it but semi transparent jade might be cool to see a bit of the lock mechanism.
Nick what's the exact blade length 3" or just under 3"?
I’ve never held this model but just snagged the REC orange variant. I’m hoping I’ll dig it! 💪🏼
Premium materials vs a spyderco of same price? Worth it?
A cool knife for sure but hard to justify it at $150 when it’s rocking AUS10 and made in Taiwan when I can get a made in america para 3 with s45vn for $175
So this knife actually does exist? I thought it was just a myth, like big foot.
"Shark foot"
Dude, I just actually saw Bigfoot in the woods near my house, but I have yet to be able to make an order for one of these.
actually I saw Sharkfoot
Decided to go for it and bought myself the AD20.5 with a tanto blade, 3V steel, and G-10 scales (out of what was available, it was the one that most caught my eye). Annnnnd…I promptly sliced open a flap on the side of my index finger on the corner of the sharpening choil while wiping the excess oil off of the blade. Whoops! Great knife though, came really sharp 😅
Happy owner of one of these; gray FRN, clip point blade. What I'm stunned by is people saying the knife is "AUS-8" in other reviews in the comments. Look, I don't mind you not liking the knife, but AUS-10a isn't THAT poor. As Nick said below, he'd still drag the knife if it were in 154CM or VG-10, and that's fair, but those steels--which are pretty comparable to AUS-10a--also happen to blow AUS-8 out of the water. Early CIVIVIs getting torn to pieces for their 9Cr18MoV blades sounding too much like 8Cr13MoV, anyone (and people also really waling away at the Elementum Fixed Blade in particular for being in 10Cr15CoMoV...even though that's literally to VG-10 what M390 to 20CV; the exact same steel under a different name)?
Very cool knife. Want to order ASAP but think I’ll wait for the specials in better steals.
Good honest review. Thanks
The US city name on a foreign made product may actually be an issue on the import side, too. Customs import regulations are pretty specific around when US names can be used.
Given that it says Taiwan versus clearly stating "Made in Taiwan" makes the presence of a US city name problematic.
It doesnt make a claim about being "made in" that city. Think of it like a souvenir you purchased in a gift shop. It has the name of the place its being sold at but on the bottom it clearly says made in china or whatever. Kinda same here but the key difference is it doesn't make the claim "made in" anywhere. Its just a list of places. This would definitely be a special case in imports control and would likely have to be filed for a lawsuit as misleading consumers, but since theyre not claiming "made in" it doesnt matter with current laws.
@@beebait1464 it's moreso about the lack of a clear and distinct declaration of "Made in Taiwan" vs just stating "Taiwan" that's the issue. Anything that could be reasonably construed to confuse a potential end buyer is an issue in the eyes of CBP, at least it has been in past rulings they've issued.
19 C.F.R 134.47 is the bit of the regulations that addresses this.
FWIW, I believe these are now available with 20cv instead of AUS-10. Price is higher now too, tho
Ugh. I want one for the lock and size, but I really don't like either of those blade shapes
I just start collecting knives this year. Just got the AD20.5, I think it’s pretty cool. I don’t understand why so many knives I buy have stiff swinging action, I see in videos all the knife blades swing freely, but with this knife and Spydercos that I’ve bought you almost have to push the blade closed with your other hand. Am I supposed to disassemble and lube the knife every time I buy one, or am I just getting unlucky and keep getting knives with quality issues?
I usually have the opposite problem the knives I buy are usually to loose and I have to tighten and fuss with them to get them just right. It's hard to get the right balance between drop shut without blade play.
I came to find your review on this specifically because of the blade steel. I love that lock but the steel kind of made me raise an eyebrow given the price. Glad to see you still recommend it though. I might have to pick one up. Also, no shark repellent joke from the guy in a batman mask? missed opportunity sir!
I found these for $159... are they worth it?
Nick I just bought this in the clip point. Blade steel is listed as k110. Obviously still a budget steel. But id choose d2(k110) over Aus10a any day. Grivory flat dark earth handle looks pretty trick on the one I bought from knifecenter
why do you only do comparisons to Spyderco? the Benchmade grip or mini grip is a crazy popular knife that would give more people perspective.
I'd love to own a Demko. But I don't think this will be it. Kinda so-so steel, grivery scales for a buck fifty. Just feels a lil gougeish to me, but I am intrigued by the shark lock. Ohhh hell I'm on the fence now. 👍🇺🇸👍🔪
Demko only does locks. Locks should not dictate a knife whatsoever.
First: AUS-10A is what Demko knives could get at the time due to supply line issues. Second: Almost immediately after release they started making this is D2, once they were able to get it. Last: People need to stop bashing aus10a and actually try using it. It is a totally serviceable steel, that is reasonably tough and still holds decent edge. People are lumping it in with aus8, and the two couldn't be farther apart.
Should review it in the DLC-coated 3V version
Also, they have a titanium 3V version, too (they came out with it two days ago)
Nick, thanks for your nit-pics, the good, the bad, and the ugly. Your awesome dude. I purchased this knife in CPM 3V tool steel, love it, but the shark lock spring is too strong and stiff, but the blade steel, wow, I have cut a lot and edge retention is good.....thank-you for your reviews, so appreciated.
Great review of a great knife...
Much love from Switzerland
Between the blade steel and grivory scales...what in the world? I didn't think much of these knives, until I held one in my hand! The very first thing I did was replace those grivory scales with micarta. I don't understand why they couldn't at least use micarta or G10. Nevertheless I ended up buying one of each blade design and have carried not much else since I bought them.
Thanks for sharing this video with us!
At this point can we all just admit that A. Demko is the Moses Browning of knife locks?
I see no issue with putting where it was developed on the skin. In fact, it is important to include this IMO, as the knife is made to- and responsible to meeting those quality standards.
Is my TV messing up or do those blades appear to have a patina?
HA! no joke. Wampum PA on the pivot collar is super weird. I am intrigued with this knife, but honestly, I need to handle one before I drop 150 on an AUS10 and plastic knife. I actually really love AUS10 as a mid level non particle steel, but like Nick said, it should be S35VN, or the knife should cost 100 bucks. I hope this goes on sale at some point, and it probably will, and I hope that I am online when that happens so I can feel a little better about picking this up. This was an exceptional review from NIck, which is really saying something. This is why I watch.
Anyone able to tell me what bevel angle Demko puts on these blades from the factory? 20°?
Love the lock and the general design, indifferent about the steel, somewhat disappointed in the scale material (despite it making sense with the faux-pivot collar and clip rest). Honestly I'd be more tempted to save the cash and splurge on a proper mini-AD20 down the line.
I picked up the knife center exclusive version with K110 D2 steel. Still was $150 so a bit of an upgrade.
These AD20.5 Shark-Lock Folders absolutely "ROCK!!!" I absolutely luv mine. They're awesome UEDC Folders. That's my opinion. I think they're "Greeeeat!" As Tony the Tiger would say... :-) But, you're right about the price. But, these are the most affordable Shark-Lock Folder... So, I'm torn on the materials and price... All I can say is that my Shark's Foot AD20.5 has become my favorite UEDC... So, I say "Get One!" These "ROCK!!!" Great Video, Bro! :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
Isn't the FRN handle ugly too for this price point?
The bugout has frn and is almost the same price. Bugout has S30v though.
Nope, I think FRN is a fine material functionally. You just have to like the aesthetics.
@@NickShabazz Yea, I guess it's not a functional issue
It has steel liners as well. Much sturdier than the ole’ bugout.
I want this lock in a different design or a Snecx Superlock production knife. It seems really cool.
The pocket-pecker finger guard kind of defeats some of the advantage of the lock system, imo. Guess there will be no flat slicing going on
Excellent comment. No flat slicing
There is one thing they could do better, which is the pull trigger or button on the back. It is too narrow and sharp, and it bites into the tip of your finger. After playing with it for a while, the tip of my index finger became a little red and swollen. They could easily make this part larger and more comfortable. there is already something protruding from the back of the knife already. What difference would it make if they made it a little bigger? It wouldn't affect the appearance. For this type of knife, more owner use it for playing rather than actually using it for cutting. It's a fidget knife. Improving the grip feeling is more important.
I love my AD20.5. The Steel isn't the best for the price, but people want the shark lock, so we are willing to pay extra for it.
I appreciate your honest review.
Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
Does this guy deliver mail in Boston in his time off?
wtf?
@@MyLostToys reminds me of Cliff from Cheers.
@@pamelah6431 Geez its him :D
Would like to see more shark lock designs. Maybe with a more neutral handle
Aus10 is okay. more than that. hold edge to easy to resharpen ratio is very good.
I must be missing something here. Are the people that purchased the bigger $450 knife complaining about $150 for this version. Yes the $450 version is made in America and has better materials but does that warrant another $300 ?
Yes
Having two different clips is definitely a Cold Steel thing for sure.
Now that I have one of these, I’m shocked there was no mention of this knife’s pocket destroying capabilities. It’s worse in that respect than every other knife I own
Nick check your case the knives came in there is a clip provided for left hand
i got a 20cv delica and so now you comparing the size is relevent for me
The steel may not be ideal at the price point, I don't think it's an actual issue and is probably indicative of the nature of the beast. The Demkos are a small operation, in order to make ends meet the may have to make that kind of steel compromise, secondly there's the Shark lock. It's something that will require the factory to tool up for in a significant way, rather than something like a liner or frame lock, with a fiddlier assembly process than those kinds of locks as well.
This is on my list and I'm excited to try it out!
Shouldn't be a lot. Pretty simple lovk
@@theknifeconnection9571 The point is that it's vastly different in regards to tooling rather than overall complexity.
There's also the snowball effect, every dollar you add to production gets magnified as everyone along the way gets their cut of the sticker price.
Thanks, Nick. Always appreciate your straight forward reviews. I had this on my shopping list, thought $149 was Ok for the design and the novel lock, then noticed it was D2 steel (? maybe they changed? ) and had much the same thought you did @ AUS10 -- 149$? Really? I expected S30 or S35 or something similar. Strikes me that Cold Steel is simply upping their profit margin.
Cold Steel? Not sure what they have to do with this knife.
I feel the price could come down if they’d do a cheaper box, and not include the zipper pouch, sticker, cloth, and velcro patch. I still like it though.
Full serrated sharkfoot out now. That's awesome
Had my Sharksfoot for several days.
Worth every dime.
Demko's Shark Lock putting fingers out of harms way has got to have the competition thinking, a lot.
If they had used G10 instead of injection molded plastic, and say S35VN and charged an extra 50 bucks, I would pick one up. I was going to pick one up, but I think I would rather wait for a better iteration down the line, or maybe even just save for the real one.
There will be a variety of steels and scale materials. They needed steel that could be stamped and a handle that could be injection molded to meet the price points. Andrew said it cost $30,000 for the tooling to do these.
@@jagpilotohio I understand. I'm glad they got it up and running, and I'm sure they will sell very well. I'm excited to see what's coming in the future. Perhaps they can even take Cold Steel's place in the market after the inevitable changes looming under new ownership take effect.
Great knife and lefty friendly. I am in the can’t wait group.
I like both knives but i don't care for how short the sharks foot is vs the handle. It doesn't look right when it's closed. They should have shortened the handle scales for the sharks foot to mirror the length of the blade.
You’d have to get one in hand to see why. They had to. I have both of them. There is no way to make the blade longer or the scales shorter. The tip of the blade very nearly hits the backspacer as it is now when it’s closed.
I have one and the shark lock rattles side to side and knife can be flipped open without even touching the lock rather easily. Anyone else have this issue?
Nick, can you please review the Spyderco Tenacious LW in s35vn? There's been a lot of interest in it lately and I would love to get your take.
I've got a Tenacious LW review up!
Do you have any thoughts on the s35vn sprint?
It's a lot like the Tenacious LW, just in S35VN. 🤣 In all seriousness, it's probably pretty great, but the fact that it's a sprint makes that largely academic.
@@NickShabazz I don't believe that the Tenacious Lightweight S35VN is a sprint run. It is listed as a standard production item in Spydercos current catalog. Am I missing something?
Thanks for the knife content
They have a dlc coated 3v version now for 199$
Nick, long time fan and subscriber of the channel - just wanted to give an unpopular opinion but the AD20.5 is an overpriced hype beast. The everyday working man that buys this knife didnt get it for free we paid 150$ for one that wasnt heavily QA'd and dull out of the box - I posted an honest consumer review on my channel that I bought and paid for, im not sure how anyone can suggest this over a spyderco para 3. _ This is not a slam against you, just wanted to share my thoughts for those who are on the fence and want something quality I cant say this is an adviseable option as long as spyderco provides better quality and value for the same or less money.