One thing Archicad need to fix is the ability to pin a particular element to multiple renovation statuses. That way it works better for the phases so that you don't have to duplicate so many elements and re-pin then to another phase. A similar problem occurs in options but maybe not as often.
Yes, great point! Having that option to pin to multiple filters would certainly be nice for phase management. Having a side by side tool for renovation status, plus phases would be awesome.
Yes test it out and see if it works for you! There can be a few challenges with demo relating to options, but overall it can be useful for showing different versions quickly.
This couldn't have come at a better time! I was just about to create a copy of the pln I am working on just so I can make a new version! I will definitely try this method tomorrow! Thanks for the tip!
Thanks Bruce! Yes test it out and see how it works for you! I think for basic options it can work great, for complicated ones maybe a little more challenging:), which is always the case!
Hi, nice tutorial! Just a sidenote: Having followed the Graphisoft BIM manager program I wanted to mention that the people from Graphisoft itself discorage this method. The renovation tool is actualy designed for what it's named after 😊. Offcourse it works and its powerfull but it had some downsides too... The best way is to just make new layers and corresponding layercombinations and views, you just need to adjust the layer priority number so the elements don't intersect with eachother. Or make a new pln file. I think the modelcompare tool in Archicad doesn't handle the renovation method realy well, but this is even for me subject to test 😊.
Thanks for the comment! Interesting that GS avoids using it for this purpose. I see this tool as a way to show early design options quickly and easily, but not something to continue even into schematic design. It can work for individual spaces, but again I think the goal of using this method is to show options for presentation purposes, and then decide and move on with the design option selected. Definitely some downsides as you mention, but I think those come up when starting to push this too far beyond the initial simple function. Thanks for the comment! Test it out and let us know how it works for you! I still think it's easier than layers for a basic purpose, but I can also see how layers can be useful when the design options with reno start to fall apart. Demo is still an issue:?
This method was precisely what I was doing, using the layers combinations and layer priority number. However, for daily design, I founded that renovation tools were straightforward and helpful to set up different proposals.
That's brilliant, John! I've been using ArchiCAD for 14 years and use Reno tool all the time. I did change elements to demolished to have extra control over layers, but never thought to create new options/filters for that, a real eye-opener for me. Lots of possibilities. Thanks very much and keep it up.
Thank you for the tutorial, sir John. This Renovation tool looks powerful. I wish Graphisoft changed the "pin" into something like "option-list" or "check-list" so we can apply some element to single or multiple Renovation Filter. I wonder if it possible to create a construction phases (scaffolding, crane, etc) with this Renovation tool?
Yes that is a great comment. I agree having the option to pin multiples would be useful, but then it also becomes more to track and manage on the element level. A phase filter would certainly be useful! For logistics, items like scaffold and cranes will likely need their own layer (or simple logistics layer) anyway, but could then be pinned to specific phases. You'll likely want a layer combination to control visibility of the rest of the project elements as well for these phases, but I think the Reno filter and pinning to a certain stage can be useful. Interior temporary barricade plans can be useful with this type of method also.
I use this method for new building concepts. Problems arise when we are working on a renovation project. Do you have any advice on managing demolition? In one concept we want to demolish different walls than in another.
Hi Piotr, yes the demolition gets a little tricky when looking at different options, even with using layers it's difficult to work out. I think to get this to work, you must over-demo the entire space with the default demo phase, and then bring back parts relating to the new options. Not 100% ideal but a workaround for looking at the different new options... Thanks for the comment, I'll keep this question in the back of my mind as I look for ways to improve on this concept!
Thanks for the tutorial. We created 3 different options in our model using the renovation tool. Now we want to make a schedule that filters the windows and doors per option. Can you explain how to make such a schedule? Best regards from Holland
Hi Marco. It is all in the saved view settings for each design option. Set the renovation status in the view settings, and that will filter the model based on what elements are assigned to each. You shouldn't have to even set the criteria for renovations, only the view options. Only downside of this is you can't list all 3 options under the same schedule, but you can use 1 schedule, with 3 different saved views for each design option. Good luck!
He thanks again great Tutorial... When do you think you will be able to do a tutorial on interactive schedules.. Especially for truss and roof in general.. Thanks man.
Hi Emre. Great question, a layer system can work for that purpose, but you'll likely have to create multiple layers for each option in that case. The Renovation Options as shown using the pinning function, is an easy way to control that visibility without ever having to change a layer of an element, so I think for that reason it's a little cleaner. I'm sure many out there are using layers for this purpose, but I'd recommend to test the Renovation method and see how you like it! If you are scheduling elements, it's important to set the correct renovation filter based on which one you want to report. One downside, is I don't believe it's possible to list multiple options of pinned elements, at the same time within a schedule.. Thanks for the comment and question!
@@CONTRABIM Well, until now, I've been one of those people, however I will definitely try your method out in the next project and see how it works out. The layer system has plenty of setbacks - but I actually use a single layer for one option, so in total 3 layers for 3 options. As you can imagine, this results in all sorts of elements being put in a single layer - walls, objects, etc. However, when the project is in a beginning phase, this is okay as my primary need is to be able to easily switch between options at this stage. The schedule issue is present with the layers as well (if I understood your description correctly) so there's not much to do about that. And thank you for your detailed answer!
@@emresenoglu Yes that all makes a lot of sense. With the layers you can have a saved schedule with all 3 turned on, so that's how you could list them all at once and compare side by side so to speak. I think you'll find it's easier to pin elements to the renovation filter, than assigning them to the single layers! Try it out and let me know what you think! For the longest time I used layers for this as well, until I realized that little "pin" button actually does something special:)
@@emresenoglu That is great to hear! I've recently discovered an entirely different purpose for pinning that has changed how I manage all of my model content in the template. I'll show it off here soon with the next release of the CONTRABIM template!
When exploring different options and showing the zones on the floorplan, you'll likely want to pin those effected to their related filter as well as the walls that define them in the option. This way you can toggle between option 1 & 2 and walls and zones will adjust. Great question thanks!
@@CONTRABIM When we in this way create plans and looking for some optimal planing, and we place the zone, for exemple in the "Option 2" it creating whith asociation with walls from "Option 1".The same thing hapends when we refresh the zone after hand made it.For today this is the only reason why i dont use this method for skeching - cant get corect areas per "Options" without hand corection.
@@CONTRABIM O.....and this method I use like a storage filter for some objects and markers, what i need in project but cant save at favorites (things in some blocks- Bath complects, ventilation chanels, complects of 2D objects e.t.s.)
This sample file was from the default INT v24 file. The change plans they show both demo and new w/ overrides, and the planned status is new but without overrides. I typically set mine to Show All>Existing>Demo>New>Planned>Iso Existing>Iso Demo>Iso New> and now the options:) Thanks for the question!
Thanks for the tutorial! but i have a problem, i lose my drawing when i change the renovation filter from 'show all items' to current plan. I can only see my drawings in the show all items filter. It would be great if you could help me. Thanks in advance!!
Hi Irem! Thanks for the question. So the thing with the PIN function, is that elements will only show up on that specific renovation filter. The "Show All Items" is just a name of a filter, that doesn't necessarily show everything that is pinned. Similarly, if you pin items to that renovation, they will only show on that renovation. I hope that makes sense... Pinning only allows visibility on that specific filter. Thanks!
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Thanks a lot. But... It is so annoying that lumion 8.5 doesn't support archicad's design options. You can't keep the assigned materials between the options. Do you know why?
Thanks for the question. I haven't personally used lumion, so unfortunately I can't provide much info. Are you trying to use this with the renovation filtering of design options?
I needed to demolish a part of a roof and was not successful at making this happen. What is the best practice for demolishing a lager building portion with multiple elements in it.
Sometimes if you are doing a partial demo, it may be best to split the roof to indicate what section gets removed. You could also try the opening tool, but I don't believe it functions quite right with the roof tool. If you need to assign a large portion of a project to demo, perhaps the marquee would work. Or perhaps setting the entire portion to a specific layer for demo could also be useful in your case.
Great video thankyou!! Is there any way to display multiple design options in one view? say I want to display a combination of options one and two? Thanks
Unfortunately no, you can only pin elements to 1 design option renovation status. If you wanted to show both at the same time, you'd have to do a trace and reference from the 2 saved views, or place the 2 drawings overlaid on a layout!
Is there a way to have the "Show All Elements" Filter show all elements, including the pinned ones? Sometimes I would like to be able to compare various options but currently the "Show all" filter only shows elements which have not been pinned.
I wish! The Show All Elements, is just a regular filter that typically has E/D/N turned on. It isn't anything special that turns on all pinned. I wish there was this option! So it's important to pay attention what content is pinned where, so you can unpin and have it turn on when needed.
Hello, thanks for the tipp, howerver I have a question, using multiple options will all be showed in the schedules or only elements how are not pined anymore?
Thanks for the comment and the question. The schedules content will be listed based on the current, or saved view renovation status. So if you have your saved schedule to option 1, then all the content on that renovation filter will be listed. If set to option 2, then only that content... Elements that are not pinned to either option, will be listed on both.
Hello John, I greet you from Ecuador. I am an electrical engineer and I do electrical designs, I do not speak English very well, I am enrolling in a course with you for mep modeller because I cannot make mep objects well for my project. But I have 2 doubts regarding the course I get that it starts in August, I can't learn anything before? And is it via streaming and is it all English? It worries me since I don't speak the language very well? Greetings Ronald
Heck, ‘Renovation’ is such a confusing name for this tool. Really should have been called like ‘design options’ or ‘meta layers’ or something more suggestive of the full functionality. So many times I created extra layers just to explore design variants. I new this ‘Renovation thing’ existed, but I was sure it was of no use to me because I wasn’t doing some actual renovation projects 🤦♂️
Yes, Renovation makes sense when talking about Existing, Demo, and New, but there is so much more that can be done with this tool than just those 3 status settings. I have a new video dropping TODAY on the subject!
Hi John! Thanks for the nice video. I've got a question. How about the zones? If I make some walls and zones on option 1, I can not make zones on Option 2, because of the walls on option 1. The walls of option 1 affects the the zones of option 2 too. What I miss? Thank you very much! Tamas.
I put the option1 walls to demolish. So they are on option1, but not new. On option1 must be visible the "to be demolished" elements (Renovation Filter Options). Now the Zones works fine on option 2. I will try this with more options :) Or do you have a better solution for this issue? Thank you! Tamas
Hi Tamas, I've found in doing some testing with the zones, you have to create additional zones for each of the different options to go along with the walls. This seemed to work pretty well for me, but perhaps there is another method as you describe. Depending on the project, different methods may be required Thanks for the question!
One thing Archicad need to fix is the ability to pin a particular element to multiple renovation statuses. That way it works better for the phases so that you don't have to duplicate so many elements and re-pin then to another phase. A similar problem occurs in options but maybe not as often.
Yes, great point! Having that option to pin to multiple filters would certainly be nice for phase management. Having a side by side tool for renovation status, plus phases would be awesome.
Thank You John, I wasn't aware of the ability to create custom layers/options like this.
Yes test it out and see how it works for you! thanks for the comment
this is exactly what I needed!
Yes test it out and see if it works for you! There can be a few challenges with demo relating to options, but overall it can be useful for showing different versions quickly.
You are a master! Thank you
This couldn't have come at a better time! I was just about to create a copy of the pln I am working on just so I can make a new version! I will definitely try this method tomorrow! Thanks for the tip!
Awesome yes let us know how it works for you!
Tip of the year!
Thanks Bruce! Yes test it out and see how it works for you! I think for basic options it can work great, for complicated ones maybe a little more challenging:), which is always the case!
Thank you!!
Amazing..great tip thanks
Thanks Patrick for the comment!
I was save as another one, you save me thank you
Sure test it out and see how it works for you!
Thank You! Very good!
Thanks Tiago. Test it out and see how it works for you!
Amazing, This is great!
I was struggling with layers combination hahahah. Cheers mate!!!
Thanks Diego, glad this one helped out!
John! This is excellent way that you have shown. Could you further elaborate it to list elements in schedules
Hi, nice tutorial! Just a sidenote: Having followed the Graphisoft BIM manager program I wanted to mention that the people from Graphisoft itself discorage this method. The renovation tool is actualy designed for what it's named after 😊. Offcourse it works and its powerfull but it had some downsides too... The best way is to just make new layers and corresponding layercombinations and views, you just need to adjust the layer priority number so the elements don't intersect with eachother. Or make a new pln file. I think the modelcompare tool in Archicad doesn't handle the renovation method realy well, but this is even for me subject to test 😊.
Thanks for the comment! Interesting that GS avoids using it for this purpose. I see this tool as a way to show early design options quickly and easily, but not something to continue even into schematic design. It can work for individual spaces, but again I think the goal of using this method is to show options for presentation purposes, and then decide and move on with the design option selected. Definitely some downsides as you mention, but I think those come up when starting to push this too far beyond the initial simple function. Thanks for the comment! Test it out and let us know how it works for you! I still think it's easier than layers for a basic purpose, but I can also see how layers can be useful when the design options with reno start to fall apart. Demo is still an issue:?
This method was precisely what I was doing, using the layers combinations and layer priority number. However, for daily design, I founded that renovation tools were straightforward and helpful to set up different proposals.
That's brilliant, John! I've been using ArchiCAD for 14 years and use Reno tool all the time. I did change elements to demolished to have extra control over layers, but never thought to create new options/filters for that, a real eye-opener for me. Lots of possibilities. Thanks very much and keep it up.
Thanks for the comment! Did you see my other video on using this Pin method for storing model content? If not check it out!
@@CONTRABIM Not yet, but I'd like to, can you supply the link or the title of the video please? Cheers.
@@qingluo8676 ruclips.net/video/9D3DDo9GY8c/видео.html
That is a good option. :)
Thank you for the tutorial, sir John. This Renovation tool looks powerful. I wish Graphisoft changed the "pin" into something like "option-list" or "check-list" so we can apply some element to single or multiple Renovation Filter.
I wonder if it possible to create a construction phases (scaffolding, crane, etc) with this Renovation tool?
Yes that is a great comment. I agree having the option to pin multiples would be useful, but then it also becomes more to track and manage on the element level. A phase filter would certainly be useful!
For logistics, items like scaffold and cranes will likely need their own layer (or simple logistics layer) anyway, but could then be pinned to specific phases. You'll likely want a layer combination to control visibility of the rest of the project elements as well for these phases, but I think the Reno filter and pinning to a certain stage can be useful. Interior temporary barricade plans can be useful with this type of method also.
I use this method for new building concepts. Problems arise when we are working on a renovation project. Do you have any advice on managing demolition? In one concept we want to demolish different walls than in another.
Hi Piotr, yes the demolition gets a little tricky when looking at different options, even with using layers it's difficult to work out. I think to get this to work, you must over-demo the entire space with the default demo phase, and then bring back parts relating to the new options. Not 100% ideal but a workaround for looking at the different new options... Thanks for the comment, I'll keep this question in the back of my mind as I look for ways to improve on this concept!
Yes thats what I need, multiply demo options too.
@@CONTRABIM Is there any new solutions for multiple demolition options? It's so important on renovation projects.
Thanks for the tutorial. We created 3 different options in our model using the renovation tool. Now we want to make a schedule that filters the windows and doors per option. Can you explain how to make such a schedule? Best regards from Holland
Hi Marco. It is all in the saved view settings for each design option. Set the renovation status in the view settings, and that will filter the model based on what elements are assigned to each. You shouldn't have to even set the criteria for renovations, only the view options. Only downside of this is you can't list all 3 options under the same schedule, but you can use 1 schedule, with 3 different saved views for each design option. Good luck!
@@CONTRABIM Thank you for your reply! We tried your suggestion and it worked! Great help! Greets from Holland
He thanks again great Tutorial... When do you think you will be able to do a tutorial on interactive schedules.. Especially for truss and roof in general.. Thanks man.
Hi Patrick! I'll try to get that one out this week, I've been away from my recording desk too much!!!
Very helpful John. What do you think about using a layer system for renovation options instead of your method? Any cons / pros one should be aware of?
Hi Emre. Great question, a layer system can work for that purpose, but you'll likely have to create multiple layers for each option in that case. The Renovation Options as shown using the pinning function, is an easy way to control that visibility without ever having to change a layer of an element, so I think for that reason it's a little cleaner. I'm sure many out there are using layers for this purpose, but I'd recommend to test the Renovation method and see how you like it! If you are scheduling elements, it's important to set the correct renovation filter based on which one you want to report. One downside, is I don't believe it's possible to list multiple options of pinned elements, at the same time within a schedule.. Thanks for the comment and question!
@@CONTRABIM Well, until now, I've been one of those people, however I will definitely try your method out in the next project and see how it works out. The layer system has plenty of setbacks - but I actually use a single layer for one option, so in total 3 layers for 3 options. As you can imagine, this results in all sorts of elements being put in a single layer - walls, objects, etc. However, when the project is in a beginning phase, this is okay as my primary need is to be able to easily switch between options at this stage. The schedule issue is present with the layers as well (if I understood your description correctly) so there's not much to do about that. And thank you for your detailed answer!
@@emresenoglu Yes that all makes a lot of sense. With the layers you can have a saved schedule with all 3 turned on, so that's how you could list them all at once and compare side by side so to speak. I think you'll find it's easier to pin elements to the renovation filter, than assigning them to the single layers! Try it out and let me know what you think! For the longest time I used layers for this as well, until I realized that little "pin" button actually does something special:)
@@CONTRABIM i stand corrected - tried out your method, and you're right, the pin method is really handy. thanks again for the super helpful tip!!
@@emresenoglu That is great to hear! I've recently discovered an entirely different purpose for pinning that has changed how I manage all of my model content in the template. I'll show it off here soon with the next release of the CONTRABIM template!
HAve you find some decision how corect control the ZOne tool in the case of using different optins like in the video?
When exploring different options and showing the zones on the floorplan, you'll likely want to pin those effected to their related filter as well as the walls that define them in the option. This way you can toggle between option 1 & 2 and walls and zones will adjust. Great question thanks!
@@CONTRABIM When we in this way create plans and looking for some optimal planing, and we place the zone, for exemple in the "Option 2" it creating whith asociation with walls from "Option 1".The same thing hapends when we refresh the zone after hand made it.For today this is the only reason why i dont use this method for skeching - cant get corect areas per "Options" without hand corection.
@@CONTRABIM O.....and this method I use like a storage filter for some objects and markers, what i need in project but cant save at favorites (things in some blocks- Bath complects, ventilation chanels, complects of 2D objects e.t.s.)
I noticed that you have the renovation statuses "change plans" & "planned status" What do you use those for?
This sample file was from the default INT v24 file. The change plans they show both demo and new w/ overrides, and the planned status is new but without overrides. I typically set mine to Show All>Existing>Demo>New>Planned>Iso Existing>Iso Demo>Iso New> and now the options:) Thanks for the question!
Thanks for the tutorial! but i have a problem, i lose my drawing when i change the renovation filter from 'show all items' to current plan. I can only see my drawings in the show all items filter. It would be great if you could help me. Thanks in advance!!
Hi Irem! Thanks for the question. So the thing with the PIN function, is that elements will only show up on that specific renovation filter. The "Show All Items" is just a name of a filter, that doesn't necessarily show everything that is pinned. Similarly, if you pin items to that renovation, they will only show on that renovation. I hope that makes sense... Pinning only allows visibility on that specific filter. Thanks!
Thanks a lot. But...
It is so annoying that lumion 8.5 doesn't support archicad's design options. You can't keep the assigned materials between the options. Do you know why?
Thanks for the question. I haven't personally used lumion, so unfortunately I can't provide much info. Are you trying to use this with the renovation filtering of design options?
@@CONTRABIM Exactly.
I needed to demolish a part of a roof and was not successful at making this happen. What is the best practice for demolishing a lager building portion with multiple elements in it.
Sometimes if you are doing a partial demo, it may be best to split the roof to indicate what section gets removed. You could also try the opening tool, but I don't believe it functions quite right with the roof tool. If you need to assign a large portion of a project to demo, perhaps the marquee would work. Or perhaps setting the entire portion to a specific layer for demo could also be useful in your case.
Great video thankyou!! Is there any way to display multiple design options in one view? say I want to display a combination of options one and two? Thanks
Unfortunately no, you can only pin elements to 1 design option renovation status. If you wanted to show both at the same time, you'd have to do a trace and reference from the 2 saved views, or place the 2 drawings overlaid on a layout!
Is there a way to have the "Show All Elements" Filter show all elements, including the pinned ones? Sometimes I would like to be able to compare various options but currently the "Show all" filter only shows elements which have not been pinned.
I wish! The Show All Elements, is just a regular filter that typically has E/D/N turned on. It isn't anything special that turns on all pinned. I wish there was this option! So it's important to pay attention what content is pinned where, so you can unpin and have it turn on when needed.
Hello, thanks for the tipp, howerver I have a question, using multiple options will all be showed in the schedules or only elements how are not pined anymore?
Thanks for the comment and the question. The schedules content will be listed based on the current, or saved view renovation status. So if you have your saved schedule to option 1, then all the content on that renovation filter will be listed. If set to option 2, then only that content... Elements that are not pinned to either option, will be listed on both.
@@CONTRABIM oh yeah :)
thanks for the tipps
Hello John, I greet you from Ecuador. I am an electrical engineer and I do electrical designs, I do not speak English very well, I am enrolling in a course with you for mep modeller because I cannot make mep objects well for my project.
But I have 2 doubts regarding the course I get that it starts in August, I can't learn anything before?
And is it via streaming and is it all English? It worries me since I don't speak the language very well?
Greetings
Ronald
Hi Ronald! We got you in the course, great stuff thanks for registering!
Heck, ‘Renovation’ is such a confusing name for this tool. Really should have been called like ‘design options’ or ‘meta layers’ or something more suggestive of the full functionality. So many times I created extra layers just to explore design variants. I new this ‘Renovation thing’ existed, but I was sure it was of no use to me because I wasn’t doing some actual renovation projects 🤦♂️
Yes, Renovation makes sense when talking about Existing, Demo, and New, but there is so much more that can be done with this tool than just those 3 status settings. I have a new video dropping TODAY on the subject!
@@johnhallgarth1284 Awesome! Can’t wait to watch it. Hope I’ll be able to follow along with my Archicad 22.
Here's the new video: ruclips.net/video/9D3DDo9GY8c/видео.html
Hi John! Thanks for the nice video. I've got a question. How about the zones? If I make some walls and zones on option 1, I can not make zones on Option 2, because of the walls on option 1. The walls of option 1 affects the the zones of option 2 too. What I miss? Thank you very much! Tamas.
I put the option1 walls to demolish. So they are on option1, but not new. On option1 must be visible the "to be demolished" elements (Renovation Filter Options). Now the Zones works fine on option 2. I will try this with more options :) Or do you have a better solution for this issue? Thank you! Tamas
Hi Tamas, I've found in doing some testing with the zones, you have to create additional zones for each of the different options to go along with the walls. This seemed to work pretty well for me, but perhaps there is another method as you describe. Depending on the project, different methods may be required Thanks for the question!
@@CONTRABIM Thanks! :)