1:30 Don't the first two movies do the same thing? Like, how in Part 2, Michael is involved with Cuba's last president, before he gets ousted by Castro?
I feel that Sophia Coppola's acting was much better in The Godfather Part II than in Part III. In Part II, the baptismal/Massacre scene she seemed more believable, natural, motivated and directional.
@@jamesmorant1406 I agree with him. Especially knowing how much money a 3rd Installment would make when you include the lead of the series Al Pacino and that they could be adversarial in the 3rd....come on now. That writes itself. Tom Hagen with his own Family would have been interesting (if you know anything about how they intended to end the 2nd story) seeing something like that on film and with Sonny's illegitimate Son in the mix...... *MAN* huge missed opportunity for a highly complex story. *3 Million was very reasonable for Mr.Duvall*
@@thetraveler1182 100 Percent agree Al Pacino got 5 million Diane Keaton got 1.5 million so 3 million they could gave Robert Duvall but they were to cheap
Everyone here agrees they should have paid him more. But then again, it’s fantasy money, not coming out of their pockets, so these commentators can afford to be generous!
Not having Tom Hagen in The Godfather III was a huge mistake! That character was essential in not only the films, but also in all of the novels period! Robert Duvall was worth the money because he is a brilliant actor. No one can ever replace Duvall. He was awesome in those first two films. He was intelligent, articulate, slick, and cool as fuck! The ultimate Mob Lawyer! The blackmail scene that Hagen had with senator Geary at the bordello that Fredo owned in Godfather II, is fuckin' legendary!
Characters that were important that were alive are Mike Corleone, Tom Hagan and sister Connie. Kay was thrown out of the family so you save $1m there. You get rid of Elli Wallach, George Hamilton, John Savage and now you have money to offer Duvall.
@@chicovoylez3216 You can't leave out Kay. And they allready offered him 1 million, they offer him one more what is basically pocket money and he is in.
Not slicking back Michael Corleone's hair is easily one of the biggest mistakes of the 3rd film. His spiked up hair makes him look absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention in the 3rd film Al Pacino just acted as Al Pacino, he didn't channel any characteristics or even vocal tones of Michael Corleone.
@@jigrodrigues are you mad? "Days of Thunder" is an absolutely fantastic film, whether you are a racing fan or not. It is in the vein of a Rocky type sports movie and everyone shines in it
I couldn't get to the point where I got to know new characters 1and 2 were the best they fuckcked it up with 3 like Duvall said it was all about the money y wait 15 years
That's far from the worst part about the 3rd film. The papal plot, loosely strung into the story, patchy editing, no explanation of rest of the family - 3rd generation. And how is Vincent trustworthy suddenly?
100 percent!!! That was the dumbest shit they could have done with part 3. I don’t know WHATTTTTT they were thinking when they made this bad ass character, turn into an incest cousin loving fucker 😂
This is probably one of the best arguments I've heard as to why The Godfather III didn't live up to expectations. Sure, there were other problems but Tom's abscence is definitely felt in the movie. Also that fact about Robert Duvall being an Oscar winner at that time really put things into perspective. Great video!
That is grading on a very steep curve, Murat. I enjoyed 3 very much. It was a very good movie. It suffers mainly because the other two were incredible. I prefer to not let the great be the enemy of the perfectly fine.
Michael: you're not a trilogy consigliere, Tom. Thinks might get rough with the sequel to Godfather 2 we're trying. Tom: maybe i could help. Michael: you're out, Tom.
I respect Robert duvall decision...the studio screwed marlon brando in the first movie hence he refused to return for flashback scene in the second movie.
The one scene that always sticks with me is when Sonny(The Hot Head who didn’t Give a F**k,And was a Badass)Said something like”You’re not really part of the Family etc,etc” to Tom then IMMEDIATELY Checked himself and apologized.It showed how much he really respected Tom.I could be wrong but I think it was Sonny who “brought him home one day and he never left”as a young kid or orphan.
Sonny made a Racist comment and caught himself and apologize...pop had jenkio look wha I got ... If i had a war time Sicily c. I wouldn't be in this mess... Look I didn't mean that... It's Sunday ma made a little dinner.. Sonny
They called Tom brother and son, but Vito didn't adopt him and give him his name. Was that ever explained or is it just understood that that wasn't done since Tom wasn't Sicilian?
It does suck knowing that Diana Keaton was given 1.5 million and Duvall was not even offered the same. An Oscar winner good for Duvall for standing his ground and too bad he was not in it but, at least Francis did fight for him which is good to know that he did support him in some level of degree.
Whenever I watch Godfather III I can't help but feel I'm watching a band missing their lead guitarist. Even Coppola himself had said the film feels incomplete without Duval. How do u low ball Robert Duvall, one of the finest actors of his generation? He was the clear #2 character to bring back. And the film suffered for it. A clear cash grab by Paramount when you can't give Robert Friggen Duval an extra million and proper time to get the damn thing right.
@@ryankeefe6222 yes but in terms of characters that were still alive for #3 Duvall was the #2 guy. Brando, Caan, and DeNiro didn't have a live character to play anymore.
Robert Duvall has some of the most iconic roles of all time.....His roles in The Godfather, To Kill a Mockingbird, Apocalypse Now, Open Range, Secondhand Lions, and of course you CANNOT leave out Lonesome Dove. One of my favorite actors of all time!!!!
cdr861532, YEARS AGO, Robert Duvall did an episode of THE TWILIGHT ZONE where he falls in love with the doll model of a Victorian age woman. His character's imagination comes up a scenario where the woman is in trouble, and, he wants to be her rescuer. If you never seen this episode, I won't tell how it ends.😯😯😯✌✌✌✌
I feel the Godfather Epic is the best way to experience the whole story and in that way it feels like a Trilogy. Vito's Rise to Power, Vito Transferring Power to Michael, Michael solidifying his power but at the cost of his family.
@@valerieneal2747 it wasn’t awful But your competing Aganist maybe the best & 10th greatest movie in history As a stand alone it’s a good movie No Duvall stupid
I'm glad you mentioned that Duvall's absence damaged the film far more than Sophia Coppola's presence. I agree entirely. Centering the film around the relationship between Michael and Tom (the last great surviving relationship from the first film) would have moved the focus to the chemistry of these two greats alongside Diane Keaton. Having an actress of the quality of Winona Ryder instead of Sophia would also have helped, of course, but the emphasis on her character was still something that drew attention away from the themes and characters that made the first two films so good.
Robert Duval had me since all those years ago, when he played Boo Radley in To Kill a Mockingbird. What a powerful actor. If he were cast in Godfather III with a focus on the conflicting alpha personalities of Michael and Tom, he would have chewed up the scenery.
If I was Al Pacino, I could demand the company to pay Duvall more to join the episode III, it is even worthy to sacrifice a portion of salary to pay him to join.
I always felt the Michael we know from the first two films is too unrecognisable in GF3, he seems to have had some kind of personality transformation. Gone is the brooding planner, and Al Pacino seems to be half way to his 'Hoo Ha!' Scent of a Woman role.
That highlights one of the big problems of the film: It was a nostalgia romp. They brought back so many actors from the other movies for cameos. The heart just wasn't in the writing. The movie, "Rocky Balboa" was the exact same way.
I’m with Duvall. He only wanted 2.5 mil to do the film. He’s certainly worth more than Diane Keaton. Especially when his character carried the first two films.
You were perfectly on target until you said he carried the first two movies. That’s rubbish…It was a masterclass in performances from each and every single actor. There is not an example of a better cast in those two movies ever, by any measure.
Andy Garcia came off sounding like Vinnie Barbarino of “Welcome Back, Kotter” in this extremely disappointing film. I think William Shatner must have been impressed with Andy Garcia’s overacting in “Godfather 3.” I hope writer David Chase does much better with “The Many Saints of Newark.”
I have always loved Robert Duval ever since I saw him in a mini series "Ike" about Gen. Dwight Eisenhower during WWII. I never see much mention of it, but I loved it.
The “your mistress” Michael referenced in Godfather II was Sonny’s widow. That definitely contributed to the tension between the two and would’ve been fun in the third installment.
Tom Hagen is one of my favourite characters in the three movies and as you say you notice him not being there. Unlike the past 2 movies characters where killed or did not appear in the second movie like the actor that played Clemensa (excuse spelling)was killed off between movies because the actor wanted more money (sounds familiar) so Coppalla didn't use him and replaced him with another character and it worked. This time though with an actor like Robert Duval who is in both movies. Your going to think "where is Robert Duval? why is that tv actor George Hamilton in his place as another character? I just saw him (Hamilton) on Colombo as a TV presenter who kills a guy who is blackmailing him for being in a porno movie and maybe thats why they called him BJ. Honestly they filmed both that episode of Colombo and God Father 3 around the same time. I know Hamilton has done movies but he is always just a TV actor for me.
I think that both Al Pacino and Diane Keaton should have strongly supported Robert Duvall in getting the reasonable salary that he was demanding. Not only because of Duvall's incredible acting abilities, but also, his part as the Corleone Consigliary was so important to Godfather III being as successful as the first two. Tom Hagen was a MAJOR necessity.
I didn't know that Duvall was an Oscar winner by this time while Pacino wasn't. Makes perfect sense as to why he refused the $1M offer. It was an offer he had to refuse.
Really pleased you reference Winegardener. By the way, as per his two novels, “Geraci” is pronounced ‘Ger-ace-ee’. A former boxer known as Nick “The Ace” Geraci. And he’s not a rival Don. He was an associate of Tessio, who fell out with Michael after being forced to kill Tessio as a show of loyalty
Duvall was 100% right. An Oscar winner and gets tossed chump change. Good for you Robert , you told Paramount to shove it. You are a true professional.
Even Luca Brasi was a better actor than Sofia Coppola And you're right bro Duvall HAD AN OSCAR and Pacino didn't. He was worthy. But since Pacino is Pacino they always give him the whole pie$
@@chrisreynolds2410 I love how in PART 1...the wedding scene...ya boy was seriously rehearsing his lines and they got it on film...and it is still to this day one of the most parodied scenes EVERRRRRR!! BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA...BRILLIANT
It seems that Coppola could have fought the studio to make sure Duval appeared in the film if he really wanted him much like he did with Brando. To hear Coppola sounds as if he had very little control over the film. Films he produced and directed in the past he had a great deal of control over. Paramount had been begging him For years to do Godfather 3. Hard to believe he had that little control over the picture.
I believe another big reason as to why it seems Coppola had so little control over Part III compared to the first Godfather films he did is I believe he was trying to get another film or other films made but couldn't get financing for them for some reason or another so the studio basically made him an offer ( that he couldn't refuse, lol) that if he agreed to do Part III, he would get financing for those other projects. I'm not sure what those said projects were but I do know that not long after Part III he did an excellent version of Dracula, so perhaps that was one of them?
@@HardRockMaster7577 I doubt that. He stood eyeball to eyeball with Paramount Studios over how to make and whom to cast in The Godfather, and they blinked.
Did you notice Clemenza puts sugar in the sauce as it’s cooking on the stove? I remember my Italian grandmother used to also do that; the Sicilians did that to take the bitterness out of the pasta sauce. Buon appetito!
@@garyevans3421 it depends also from the type of tomato you use to prepare "Pommarola". Of course being Italian, I'm an expert in preparing it and until my dear mother was alive, it was a big tradition in my family cooking it during 1 or 2 days time, usually in September when "S. Marzano tomatoes" are at their best. In the last years we made it, I helped a lot my mother in this quite long procedure, she had also a good storing space living in the country. Usually on Saturday morning we went to the open market, where a direct deal with farmers was possible, we bought about 150 kg of San Marzano's tomatoes and all the other stuff as basilico, garlic and onions (with a precise ratio) and then we started the preparation that consists of about 4 or 5 phases during the next two days. In this way we prepared an amount of wonderful pommarola (about 120-130 jars) enough for about 4 families: mine, my mother, my brother and my aunt ones. This sauce can stay in the void controlled jars for months and years (usually it lasted until the next summer ^_^) and is superb with pasta: you open the jar (once opened it lasts about 4 or 5 days in the fridge), put 3 or 4 spoons of sauce in the pot with the just cooked spaghetti (or other types), add oil and butter, heat and turn them for 1 minute and the perfection is reached finally adding Parmigiano on them! 😉😁
@@paoloborghi2024 thankfully, you helped your mother, so now, her recipes are being saved for the family! I lost my mom a few years ago. I helped her as well at Thanksgiving get togethers and Christmas because she had bad arthritis and couldn’t stir stuff like she used to. She loved playing rummy and other card games with my brother and me when we were together. She made the same sugar cookies for years, but we had to stir up the dough because she couldn’t do it anymore. Thanks mom! We’ll be able to keep several of our favorites she used to make as well!
@@garyevans3421 yes my mother was a wonderful cooker and all the relatives many times suggested her to open a little restaurant with "home cooking traditions". She always denied it, but I have some books and notes filled with her recipes hand written. I think I could start an activity using them. 😁 My sister in law is English and when she came to Italy 34 years ago she just knew spaghetti (the name, not how to prepare them...) and in some years of practice, she learned also a lot from my mother. 😉😁 It's important to keep these traditions, every country has some. 😉
It made perfect sense for Michael Corleone not to have Tom Hagan even if he had not ‘died’. Michael Corleone was cleaning house to become respectable so wouldn’t want a lawyer linked to his violent past. So a slick new lawyer played by George Hamilton was more appropriate to negotiate with the Vatican Bank . So the financial wrangle that had Duvall dropped worked to the film’s benefit.
thats a great argument , but i think they would have used a slik new lawyer for the negotiations , but behind the scenes the likes of a tom hagen advising would have been likely.
The flashback at the end of Pt2... Jesus god,, the most incredible leap of logistic movie making,, imagine seeing that in the cinema and not knowing it was coming ,, and if , imagine, you were obsessed with Somny and James Caans performance from Pt1.. you , or whoever that person was , would have been blown clean way out sideways beyond any cinemagoer in history at that point. It seems simple now, but I love to crystalize it how it must have been. Incredible innovation.
Great video. He would've elevated the movie. The spotlight wouldn't have needed to shine on Mary as much if Michael & Hagen were playing against each other more on screen. They should've let Tom Hagen wet his beak.
Really interesting and well put together. I agree, it would have been way better with Duvall and a far more interesting story than the one we ended up with. He was far more important to the story arc than Diane Keaton.
He's a good actor, but he's not Pacino. He would have done it for 1.6MM. It was foolish not to up his offer by half a mill. It would have been a different and far better movie .
I wish people would stop hating on Sophia! She wasn't all that bad. What should be the focus WAS the missing Tom Hagen. I was very disappointed with his absence. I'm a film watching veteran since I was 5 years old. The film part 3 wasn't very good, but it wasn't bad either. Remember the first two were made in the 70's so the quality was much better.
It’s not hating, you just feel sorry for the poor girl. The acting is excruciating, and it’s now there for the ages. No matter how many Lost In Translations she makes, the biography will always be bookended by the Godfather fiasco. Personally, I always watch G3 in French-the voice acting almost makes up for the silliness. Coppola the director always indulged in nepotism; sooner or later it was bound to come back and bite him on the ass.
Sofia Coppola did an excellent job. She had a fresh innocence which actually added to the film's effectiveness. Part 3 may not be quite as good as its predecessors but it is still a damn good film.
I like The Godfather 3. I like the way the story just went on to the next Generation. I love Andy Garcia in it. I didn't think Francis Ford Coppola daughter was too bad in it. It's just that the first two movies were so amazing
Totally agreed! The presence of Robert Duvall in the movie (which would definitely not have been the same in script) would have done so much better for part 3
If the time was taken to develop the plot better, with Duvall and Winona Ryder in the film AND I heard Gene Hackman had a role offered, then, this could have been an EPIC film....
Duvall was red hot then I remember. Lonesome Dove was a big hit. Up there with John Voight and Christopher Walken as non-italian superstar actors. He would've been worth the 1.5-2mill he wanted.
Until today, I remember the first time I watched the third movie. I was surprised that Tom Hagen was gone. Barely mentioned. I wish they had paid Duvall the money he wanted. The 3rd movie was eh-ok, I suppose but never be on the same level as the first two. Such a shame.
I heard that Francis Ford Coppola became exasperated with Richard Castellano’s demands regarding Clemenza’s lines in the film. So, in came Frankie “Five Angels” Pentangelli.
Yeah, I agree...just watched the film recently and SC's performance isn't that bad. Not great, but not as bad as people make out. I feel there's a certain amount of scapegoating here for other issues with the film...which is still an OK movie actually.
I’m watching a remastered version of Godfather 3. CODA The Death of Michael Corleone. Coppola when in and recut it. Changed beginning and ending. I’m only 30 minutes in, but already much better. The other seemed disjointed. It’s on Paramount+
A missed opportunity with 3 was how the relationship between Mike and Tom would be years down the road. The interactions with Connie and Kay are some of the most redeeming parts of 3.
Yes, number 3 should have pitted Tom, against Michael, possibly over their offspring. A confrontation was hinted at in GF 2. And only Tom had the brains and balls to win that. He was the more interesting character in the series.
Michael Corleone never liked Tom Hagen, during the reception for Connie and Carlo's wedding he told Kay; "He (Tom) is a good lawyer, not an Italian but a good man" later after the assassination attempt at the estate, Micheal told Tom what he always wanted to hear. "I have always respected you... your my brother" and this was said to get him to do what he wanted him to do. Michael then yells at him after returning from Cuba..."Why can't you give me a straight answer anymore!" When talking about killing Hyman Roth, Michael dressed him down in front of the capo's of Al Neri and Rocko Lampone by saying; "I thought you where going to tell me your taking the vice presidency of the house of hotels in Reno, I thought you where going to tell me that." Meaning, Michael wanted him to go and probably set the offer up so he would leave. When Tom reacted that he doesn't have to tell Michael about "All the jobs he has turned down" which means Michael has done this before. If Tom doesn't want to play ball he can take his wife, family.... and his mistress and move to Reno. Just my take
Tom Hagen's presence in an antagonistic capacity would have given this movie a reason to exist (someone pls ask Duvall his thoughts on Hagen's development after Michael kills Fredo in Part 2) - that plus seeing Michael's son grow into some kind of Frankenstein's monster who takes Michael's own arc to the next level - this is how we should see Michael confronted w his sins (not by watching him blubbering to a priest) - Part 3 seemed to have no sense of how the first 2 movies were developing, including Pacino's performance, which the actor himself acknowledged -
These details are amazing! Paying Keaton 50% more than Duvall was an insane insult. Duvall is a superior actor (even if he underplays) and Hagen's absence was a massive hole in the story. It was one of the main reasons 3 stumbled and Paramount and Coppola have been paperingr it over ever since. The cash-grab new version just brought more the issue back again.
You underestimate Keaton’s acting. She is understated in the role of Kay, and a necessary antidote to Pacino’s awkwardness with women. Superior is relative.
@@jcoltrane8976 Of course my opinion is totally subjective - career-wise I always saw Duvall's understated style to be more compelling and believable (more in the style of a character actor than a robust leading man). Obviously the studio decided to pay Keaton more due to her greater "marquee value", but I can see why Duvall wasn't interested in taking a considerably lesser fee. What we'll never know is how much better 3 might have been if Hagen's calm presence had been beside Michael.
The biggest mistakes of godfather 3 was not having duvall in it Having sofia coppola in it (it was supposed to be winona ryder) Having andy garcia's vincent estranged from Michael at the beginning like michael barely knows his existence they should of made them have more of a relationship together it would of made it more believable for michael to be grooming him to become the next godfather
"Its always about money" Funny thing is, when they released the Godfather Videogame in 2006, produced AGAIN 15 years later, Robert Duvall, Abe Vigotta, (even Marlon Brando for a few scenes in 2004) and all the other living cast members repraised their roles via motion capture, exept Al Pacino, thats why Michael looks like Martin Short in the Game. Bonus Fact, in the german version all the voice actors, who where still alive, repraised their roles too
Family is such a central theme of the Godfather films and Tom Hagen was one of the few remaining original family members. Hagen was a great character played by a great actor. His presence would have hugely deepened and legitimized the third film with all kinds of story points and character moments. Duval was crucial. Rather than insult him, they should have paid Duvall what he was worth.
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1:30 Don't the first two movies do the same thing? Like, how in Part 2, Michael is involved with Cuba's last president, before he gets ousted by Castro?
Maybe it's just me, but you sound a lot like Trevor Noah of the Daily Show.
I feel that Sophia Coppola's acting was much better in The Godfather Part II than in Part III. In Part II, the baptismal/Massacre scene she seemed more believable, natural, motivated and directional.
Tom hagen: maybe I could help
The movie studio: your out tom
He's not a trilogy time consigliere
@@misterjibril6528 hahaha good one!
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“I never thought you were a good Consligiere, I always though Santino was a bad don..”
nothing personal it's just business
*Robert Duvall should have been offered 3 Million. He is worth it. Tom Hagen can't be replaced.*
Without a doubt.
No Question he felt 1 million was an insult
@@jamesmorant1406 I agree with him. Especially knowing how much money a 3rd Installment would make when you include the lead of the series Al Pacino and that they could be adversarial in the 3rd....come on now. That writes itself.
Tom Hagen with his own Family would have been interesting (if you know anything about how they intended to end the 2nd story) seeing something like that on film and with Sonny's illegitimate Son in the mix...... *MAN* huge missed opportunity for a highly complex story.
*3 Million was very reasonable for Mr.Duvall*
@@thetraveler1182 100 Percent agree Al Pacino got 5 million Diane Keaton got 1.5 million so 3 million they could gave Robert Duvall but they were to cheap
Everyone here agrees they should have paid him more. But then again, it’s fantasy money, not coming out of their pockets, so these commentators can afford to be generous!
Not having Tom Hagen in The Godfather III was a huge mistake! That character was essential in not only the films, but also in all of the novels period! Robert Duvall was worth the money because he is a brilliant actor. No one can ever replace Duvall. He was awesome in those first two films. He was intelligent, articulate, slick, and cool as fuck! The ultimate Mob Lawyer! The blackmail scene that Hagen had with senator Geary at the bordello that Fredo owned in Godfather II, is fuckin' legendary!
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In The Godfather novels, Tom was killed in the 60’s down in the Everglades by a enemy of Michael’s.
Yeah, most have no clue about the chick Sonny was screwing at the wedding had a whole separate story. And that Sonny had I big hog 😆
@@charliepalmer3244 the movie alludes to sonnys size when his wife did the hand gestures
Yeah, but the book is to the point. You'd likely never notice unless you're looking. Lol, this topic.
Imagine low-balling Robert Duvall, one of the best actors of all-time.
Right?
He would have been worth pacino money.
Ridiculous .
He made the right decision.
This film absolutely sucked!
Second Hand Lions.....Great Santini.....he's got my vote.
They made him an offer he could refuse. And he did.
Characters that were important that were alive are Mike Corleone, Tom Hagan and sister Connie. Kay was thrown out of the family so you save $1m there. You get rid of Elli Wallach, George Hamilton, John Savage and now you have money to offer Duvall.
Am I a joke to you.
Good for him!
@@chicovoylez3216 Great logic and reasoning!
@@chicovoylez3216 You can't leave out Kay. And they allready offered him 1 million, they offer him one more what is basically pocket money and he is in.
Just when he thought he was in, they take him back out
Lol
" because I can't do it anymore "
Good!!!
Lol
Fam you silly as hell! 😂
Not slicking back Michael Corleone's hair is easily one of the biggest mistakes of the 3rd film. His spiked up hair makes him look absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention in the 3rd film Al Pacino just acted as Al Pacino, he didn't channel any characteristics or even vocal tones of Michael Corleone.
I thought it was to show that up against a true criminal enterprise such as the Vatican,Michael,despite his age,was still a young street buck
I agree
Yeah he was on the verge of creepy old Al Pacino like in Heat
He looked like the Shah of Iran
He's the same person in almost all of his movies -
They did the great Duvall a favor, his resume remains in tact.
Nah, he's had some stinkers.
Duvall would have likely turned the movie around though. He could've easily made up for Sofia Coppola's bad acting.
They gave him an offer and he refused
@@BrokenGodEnt The one with tom Cruise over NASCAR is ghastly
@@jigrodrigues are you mad? "Days of Thunder" is an absolutely fantastic film, whether you are a racing fan or not. It is in the vein of a Rocky type sports movie and everyone shines in it
Michael's consigliere in Part 3 is so forgettable I literally forget he had one.
Is the guy who played the consigliere even an “actor “ more like a well tanned personality.
Haha!
That's his corporate/family lawyer not consigliere. He didn't help on mafia stuff
Was it Al Neri or Connie
That was Al Neri, not the consigliori. He was meant to be in the background.
What makes part 3 mostly unwatchable for me is the incest subplot with Mary and Vincent, its just so bizarre and cringey and not necessary.
I couldn't get to the point where I got to know new characters 1and 2 were the best they fuckcked it up with 3 like Duvall said it was all about the money y wait 15 years
That's far from the worst part about the 3rd film. The papal plot, loosely strung into the story, patchy editing, no explanation of rest of the family - 3rd generation. And how is Vincent trustworthy suddenly?
100 percent!!! That was the dumbest shit they could have done with part 3. I don’t know WHATTTTTT they were thinking when they made this bad ass character, turn into an incest cousin loving fucker 😂
I dont think it is an incest. They are only cousins, not siblings.
Vito Genovese & Carlo Gambino both married their first cousins in real life
This is probably one of the best arguments I've heard as to why The Godfather III didn't live up to expectations. Sure, there were other problems but Tom's abscence is definitely felt in the movie. Also that fact about Robert Duvall being an Oscar winner at that time really put things into perspective. Great video!
It’s better than 2, ya mo….
Duvall is right, compared to 1 and 2, the third was a mess.
NO HES NOT RIGHT THREE WAS VERY GOOD. SHOWED WHAT HAPPENS TO A MAN WHEN HE GETS OLD TIRED SICK IN HEALTH ALSO GUILTY ABOUT THE WAY HE LIVED.
What was wrong with how he lived?
That is grading on a very steep curve, Murat.
I enjoyed 3 very much. It was a very good movie. It suffers mainly because the other two were incredible.
I prefer to not let the great be the enemy of the perfectly fine.
WAS NPT A MESS. IT SHOULD YRS OF CRIME HOW IT AFFECTS A PERSON EVEN A LEADER
Murat Tekin, well he had no problem playing in The Scarlet Letter for money...
Tom wasn’t a trilogy consigliere.
This rigt
Michael: you're not a trilogy consigliere, Tom. Thinks might get rough with the sequel to Godfather 2 we're trying.
Tom: maybe i could help.
Michael: you're out, Tom.
The idea of Sonny’s son sleeping with Michael’s daughter pretty much creeped the movie to me.
That's the idea. That's why everyone in the film keeps saying it's wrong. It's more corruption, now in the 80s.
To be honest that part never bothered me. It fit with the “old world royal drama“ thing the mafia had going on, especially in the movies.
I don't think it was creep at all, it has been for centuries, you yourself are most probably a grandson of a relative marriage a way or another.
@Khaled-notes nah man
Its wierd
Even muslims in India have now started avoiding cousin marriage.
Al Pacino should have said he wasn’t making it without Tom.
I respect Robert duvall decision...the studio screwed marlon brando in the first movie hence he refused to return for flashback scene in the second movie.
Talia Shire probably did it for 150 bucks
@@AlmostReady504 She's also the director's sister.
@@abigjillsandwich today's winner of the 'No shit Sherlock' award.
Weird how James Caan got the SAME amount of money for that tiny flashback as he did for the entire first movie.
@@NostalgicGamerRickOShay he must have had a damn good agent.
I love hearing Robert Duvall talking so candidly about The Godfather Part 3. It’s rare that you hear actors talk that way.
The one scene that always sticks with me is when Sonny(The Hot Head who didn’t Give a F**k,And was a Badass)Said something like”You’re not really part of the Family etc,etc” to Tom then IMMEDIATELY Checked himself and apologized.It showed how much he really respected Tom.I could be wrong but I think it was Sonny who “brought him home one day and he never left”as a young kid or orphan.
Correct
Yes, it was Sonny.
That's why everything started falling apart internally w the family.
He actually cared about his Brothers.
Sonny made a Racist comment and caught himself and apologize...pop had jenkio look wha I got ... If i had a war time Sicily c. I wouldn't be in this mess... Look I didn't mean that... It's Sunday ma made a little dinner.. Sonny
They called Tom brother and son, but Vito didn't adopt him and give him his name. Was that ever explained or is it just understood that that wasn't done since Tom wasn't Sicilian?
It does suck knowing that Diana Keaton was given 1.5 million and Duvall was not even offered the same. An Oscar winner good for Duvall for standing his ground and too bad he was not in it but, at least Francis did fight for him which is good to know that he did support him in some level of degree.
Keaton's part was unnecessary. If they were going to write someone out of the script, it should have been Kay.
Diane Keaton sucks as an actress. Never liked her.
Should have cut Kay
Keaton's part is fluff, no way should she have gotten more than Duvall, f*** the studio.
So this is what it likes when al Pacino didn’t play Michael corleone but I’m glad he did
Whenever I watch Godfather III I can't help but feel I'm watching a band missing their lead guitarist. Even Coppola himself had said the film feels incomplete without Duval. How do u low ball Robert Duvall, one of the finest actors of his generation? He was the clear #2 character to bring back. And the film suffered for it. A clear cash grab by Paramount when you can't give Robert Friggen Duval an extra million and proper time to get the damn thing right.
In the GF Part II, who is the second billed actor... You guessed it... Robert Duval, over all of the actors in the film.
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I’d say Tom was more like the bass player maybe not as flashy as the lead guitarist but totally needed
@@ryankeefe6222 yes but in terms of characters that were still alive for #3 Duvall was the #2 guy. Brando, Caan, and DeNiro didn't have a live character to play anymore.
Especially in a film series where so many great characters die/actors cannot return
No mention of Joey Zaza? He won 'Best Dressed Gangster' in Time Magazine that year.
I think the magazine was Esquire, my friend. But great point though!
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No one wants another Joe
Yes... but he hires the blacks and the Hispanics in his family because that is america...
@@northernking6610 maybe he can all make us famous too
Robert Duvall has some of the most iconic roles of all time.....His roles in The Godfather, To Kill a Mockingbird, Apocalypse Now, Open Range, Secondhand Lions, and of course you CANNOT leave out Lonesome Dove. One of my favorite actors of all time!!!!
Jane Mansfield’s car, A Family Thing
cdr861532, YEARS AGO, Robert Duvall did an episode of THE TWILIGHT ZONE where he falls in love with the doll model of a Victorian age woman.
His character's imagination comes up a scenario where the woman is in trouble, and, he wants to be her rescuer.
If you never seen this episode, I won't tell how it ends.😯😯😯✌✌✌✌
@@matthewpoplawski8740 Any idea where I can watch it? Is TTZ on a streaming platform?
@@matthewpoplawski8740 actually i found it on Hulu......im gonna watch it in a few.
@@cdr861532Let me know how you like it. 😄😄🌞🌞✌✌✌✌
Tom Hagen was always the cooler head in the room and the voice of reason.
His not being there was a void to say the least.
In my mind, the Godfather story ends with the perfect ending of part 2. There is no part 3.
I agree.
Godfather 3 was awful.
I feel the Godfather Epic is the best way to experience the whole story and in that way it feels like a Trilogy. Vito's Rise to Power, Vito Transferring Power to Michael, Michael solidifying his power but at the cost of his family.
@@valerieneal2747 it wasn’t awful
But your competing Aganist maybe the best & 10th greatest movie in history
As a stand alone it’s a good movie
No Duvall stupid
I agree. Better to make believe that it never happened. The film was that horrible!
@@geniosityfilms is the epic a different version?
I'm glad you mentioned that Duvall's absence damaged the film far more than Sophia Coppola's presence. I agree entirely. Centering the film around the relationship between Michael and Tom (the last great surviving relationship from the first film) would have moved the focus to the chemistry of these two greats alongside Diane Keaton. Having an actress of the quality of Winona Ryder instead of Sophia would also have helped, of course, but the emphasis on her character was still something that drew attention away from the themes and characters that made the first two films so good.
"...or whatever you call the 3rd one..." PRICELESS!!!
Robert Duvall, was excellent and should have been offered more. "Kay" who stunk in all 3 movies paid 1.5 million is an insult
Kay ? That woman was an amazing actress wtf are you talking about ?
Yeah who ever heard of Diane Keaton?
Unpopular opinion but it’s true
Yeah...Diane Keaton stunk...your parents might be related.
she didnt have the makings of a varsity athlete, thats for sure.
This is great. Totally agree that Duvall's absence was much more significant than Winona Ryder being contractually obligated elsewhere.
Didn't she run off to be with Johnny Depp? She got the other movie part after. In the end, Winona Ryder wasn't in a good place mentally at that time.
Godfather 3 without Tom Hagen is like The Stones without Charlie Watts.
Wrong.
Bill Wyman
@@empresaglova1268 richards ..
Like French fries without salt and ketchup.
The congas that lay down the famous beat on Sympathy For The Devil weren't played by Watts....
Robert was missed in the godfather part 3
@AnAmerican21 no
The guy cast as Tom Hagens son gave a nice reminder of Tom
@@WhoisyourProvider had no real role. What happen to Connie's kids and sonny had 2 another sons
@@WhoisyourProvider had no real role
Godfather 3 sucked enormously without Tom Hagan
I think it's not just about the money, it's about RESPECT, or rather lack of, Robert Duvall felt from Paramount.
Robert Duval had me since all those years ago, when he played Boo Radley in To Kill a Mockingbird. What a powerful actor. If he were cast in Godfather III with a focus on the conflicting alpha personalities of Michael and Tom, he would have chewed up the scenery.
If I was Al Pacino, I could demand the company to pay Duvall more to join the episode III, it is even worthy to sacrifice a portion of salary to pay him to join.
Al Pacino is no Tom Brady
@@HardRockMaster7577 they cant do the movie without him...
@@Criostoirg Tom Brady can't win a SB without a full supporting cast. GF III needs more than Al Pacino, and less TS.
positive vibes check
@@HardRockMaster7577 Yeah, instead, they gave him Coppola's daughter as supporting cast.
Imagine being offered 1 million dollars, (1.9 million 1990 dollars) and be comfortable enough to say "No thank you."
It was 1 mil in 90, how do you figure any difference except much less today
@@scottsharp3356 1 mill dollars 30 years ago isn’t equal to what we see as a million dollars today
Arnold Schwarzenegger was offered 16 millions for Predator 2 during filming of Predator 1 and he refused
@@scottsharp3356 Read Again! Think Again!
@@JosifovGjorgi really? Imagine what that would have looked like
I always felt the Michael we know from the first two films is too unrecognisable in GF3, he seems to have had some kind of personality transformation. Gone is the brooding planner, and Al Pacino seems to be half way to his 'Hoo Ha!' Scent of a Woman role.
Lmfao. You do realize me and you have just come to the same conclusion 😂😂👏
I am glad I am not the only person who noticed this. He didn't act like an older Micheal in my opinion. He was a totally different person.
That highlights one of the big problems of the film: It was a nostalgia romp. They brought back so many actors from the other movies for cameos. The heart just wasn't in the writing. The movie, "Rocky Balboa" was the exact same way.
I wish I lived in a universe where Tom Hagen was in Godfather 3 as Michael's opponent.
Godfather 3 was not cannon to me
I’m with Duvall. He only wanted 2.5 mil to do the film. He’s certainly worth more than Diane Keaton. Especially when his character carried the first two films.
You were perfectly on target until you said he carried the first two movies. That’s rubbish…It was a masterclass in performances from each and every single actor. There is not an example of a better cast in those two movies ever, by any measure.
I never thought Keaton was right for the part. I just dont think shes that good an actress
Everyone and everything need a Tom Hagen in their life.
" Michael is semi retired and Vincent is now in charge of the family business. If you have anything to say say it to Vincent "
Andy Garcia came off sounding like Vinnie Barbarino of “Welcome Back, Kotter” in this extremely disappointing film. I think William Shatner must have been impressed with Andy Garcia’s overacting in “Godfather 3.”
I hope writer David Chase does much better with “The Many Saints of Newark.”
I missed Clemenza!
You hear the one about the Chinese Godfather? He made them an offer they couldn’t understand.
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Go get your shinebox
LOL!
I get it. He drives a Lincoln.
Let me tell you a couple of three things
I have always loved Robert Duval ever since I saw him in a mini series "Ike" about Gen. Dwight Eisenhower during WWII. I never see much mention of it, but I loved it.
I remember seeing George Hamilton in the previews thinking: *surely not? You got a disco dancing Dracula to replace Robert Duvall?*
The “your mistress” Michael referenced in Godfather II was Sonny’s widow. That definitely contributed to the tension between the two and would’ve been fun in the third installment.
I didn't know that.
Whaaaaaat
context?
No it wasn’t.
Tom Hagen is one of my favourite characters in the three movies and as you say you notice him not being there. Unlike the past 2 movies characters where killed or did not appear in the second movie like the actor that played Clemensa (excuse spelling)was killed off between movies because the actor wanted more money (sounds familiar) so Coppalla didn't use him and replaced him with another character and it worked. This time though with an actor like Robert Duval who is in both movies. Your going to think "where is Robert Duval? why is that tv actor George Hamilton in his place as another character? I just saw him (Hamilton) on Colombo as a TV presenter who kills a guy who is blackmailing him for being in a porno movie and maybe thats why they called him BJ. Honestly they filmed both that episode of Colombo and God Father 3 around the same time. I know Hamilton has done movies but he is always just a TV actor for me.
It's about money and also about sending a message - Robert Duvall
It was personal AND it was Business.
CineRanter never had the makings of a varsity athlete
Cazzara, Malenga!
Love Uncle Junior,he had all the best lines.
I think that both Al Pacino and Diane Keaton should have strongly supported Robert Duvall in getting the reasonable salary that he was demanding. Not only because of Duvall's incredible acting abilities, but also, his part as the Corleone Consigliary was so important to Godfather III being as successful as the first two. Tom Hagen was a MAJOR necessity.
I didn't know that Duvall was an Oscar winner by this time while Pacino wasn't. Makes perfect sense as to why he refused the $1M offer. It was an offer he had to refuse.
Good one-
Really pleased you reference Winegardener. By the way, as per his two novels, “Geraci” is pronounced ‘Ger-ace-ee’. A former boxer known as Nick “The Ace” Geraci. And he’s not a rival Don. He was an associate of Tessio, who fell out with Michael after being forced to kill Tessio as a show of loyalty
Very comprehensive and informational video❤👏
In all fairness making any movie is about the money its a business
"You can make money without art, but you can't make art without money"
JL Godard.
Duvall was 100% right. An Oscar winner and gets tossed chump change. Good for you Robert , you told Paramount to shove it. You are a true professional.
" " maybe I shouldn't get mixed up in this too directly "
Even Luca Brasi was a better actor than Sofia Coppola
And you're right bro Duvall HAD AN OSCAR and Pacino didn't.
He was worthy. But since Pacino is Pacino they always give him the whole pie$
And he was an actual mobster with no acting abilities whatsoever!!! BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA
@@chrisreynolds2410 I love how in PART 1...the wedding scene...ya boy was seriously rehearsing his lines and they got it on film...and it is still to this day one of the most parodied scenes EVERRRRRR!! BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA...BRILLIANT
@@leviclark3822 At least Luca had stage presence because of that very reason.
@@smokelife6315 I couldn't agree more bro
It seems that Coppola could have fought the studio to make sure Duval appeared in the film if he really wanted him much like he did with Brando.
To hear Coppola sounds as if he had very little control over the film. Films he produced and directed in the past he had a great deal of control over. Paramount had been begging him For years to do Godfather 3. Hard to believe he had that little control over the picture.
The difference is wanted to make Godfather part I, but he didn't want to make part III.
I believe another big reason as to why it seems Coppola had so little control over Part III compared to the first Godfather films he did is I believe he was trying to get another film or other films made but couldn't get financing for them for some reason or another so the studio basically made him an offer ( that he couldn't refuse, lol) that if he agreed to do Part III, he would get financing for those other projects. I'm not sure what those said projects were but I do know that not long after Part III he did an excellent version of Dracula, so perhaps that was one of them?
Coppola's actions showed him as being weak.
@@HardRockMaster7577 I doubt that. He stood eyeball to eyeball with Paramount Studios over how to make and whom to cast in The Godfather, and they blinked.
He had to cash it all in to get his daughter in the film. She couldn’t act, but nobody seemed to care.
Duval is right on point. They should have paid him what he wanted.
Al Pacino’s scene when his daughter died in Part III was brilliant.
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First time watching a movie, champ…?
In an ironic way, yeah.
I agree.
They should had pay him the money, definitely the story is not the same without his character.
Duvall was brilliant such a great actor in the 1st 2 parts
Obviously Paramount was unable to make and offer he could not refuse...
When sonny soaks the bread in the pot clemenza is cooking sausages.and eats it.i gotta go out and get a spaghetti dinner.
Did you notice Clemenza puts sugar in the sauce as it’s cooking on the stove? I remember my Italian grandmother used to also do that; the Sicilians did that to take the bitterness out of the pasta sauce.
Buon appetito!
We’re not Italian, but we put a little brown sugar in so the tomatoes in the sauce aren’t too acidic!
@@garyevans3421 it depends also from the type of tomato you use to prepare "Pommarola". Of course being Italian, I'm an expert in preparing it and until my dear mother was alive, it was a big tradition in my family cooking it during 1 or 2 days time, usually in September when "S. Marzano tomatoes" are at their best.
In the last years we made it, I helped a lot my mother in this quite long procedure, she had also a good storing space living in the country.
Usually on Saturday morning we went to the open market, where a direct deal with farmers was possible, we bought about 150 kg of San Marzano's tomatoes and all the other stuff as basilico, garlic and onions (with a precise ratio) and then we started the preparation that consists of about 4 or 5 phases during the next two days.
In this way we prepared an amount of wonderful pommarola (about 120-130 jars) enough for about 4 families: mine, my mother, my brother and my aunt ones.
This sauce can stay in the void controlled jars for months and years (usually it lasted until the next summer ^_^) and is superb with pasta: you open the jar (once opened it lasts about 4 or 5 days in the fridge), put 3 or 4 spoons of sauce in the pot with the just cooked spaghetti (or other types), add oil and butter, heat and turn them for 1 minute and the perfection is reached finally adding Parmigiano on them! 😉😁
@@paoloborghi2024 thankfully, you helped your mother, so now, her recipes are being saved for the family! I lost my mom a few years ago. I helped her as well at Thanksgiving get togethers and Christmas because she had bad arthritis and couldn’t stir stuff like she used to. She loved playing rummy and other card games with my brother and me when we were together. She made the same sugar cookies for years, but we had to stir up the dough because she couldn’t do it anymore. Thanks mom! We’ll be able to keep several of our favorites she used to make as well!
@@garyevans3421 yes my mother was a wonderful cooker and all the relatives many times suggested her to open a little restaurant with "home cooking traditions". She always denied it, but I have some books and notes filled with her recipes hand written.
I think I could start an activity using them. 😁
My sister in law is English and when she came to Italy 34 years ago she just knew spaghetti (the name, not how to prepare them...) and in some years of practice, she learned also a lot from my mother. 😉😁
It's important to keep these traditions, every country has some. 😉
Robert Duvall is definitely a top 20 actor over the past 30 years and probably a top 10 supporting actor in the past 40 years.
It made perfect sense for Michael Corleone not to have Tom Hagan even if he had not ‘died’. Michael Corleone was cleaning house to become respectable so wouldn’t want a lawyer linked to his violent past. So a slick new lawyer played by George Hamilton was more appropriate to negotiate with the Vatican Bank . So the financial wrangle that had Duvall dropped worked to the film’s benefit.
thats a great argument , but i think they would have used a slik new lawyer for the negotiations , but behind the scenes the likes of a tom hagen advising would have been likely.
So much respect for this dude after breaking down the economics. Pay the man his fair share.
Paramount Pictures: Robert we are making you an offer you can't refuse.
Robert Duvall: I refuse.
Using George Hamilton to replace Robert Duvall in The Godfather films, is like using Aaron Hicks to replace Mickey Mantle on the New York Yankees.
The flashback at the end of Pt2... Jesus god,, the most incredible leap of logistic movie making,, imagine seeing that in the cinema and not knowing it was coming ,, and if , imagine, you were obsessed with Somny and James Caans performance from Pt1.. you , or whoever that person was , would have been blown clean way out sideways beyond any cinemagoer in history at that point. It seems simple now, but I love to crystalize it how it must have been. Incredible innovation.
it's just a flashback lol
I fully agree. That flashback was the best part of the second movie.
Great video. He would've elevated the movie. The spotlight wouldn't have needed to shine on Mary as much if Michael & Hagen were playing against each other more on screen. They should've let Tom Hagen wet his beak.
Robert Duval was phenomenal as E.F. in The Apostle. He wrote directed and played it. Maybe you'll do that movie along with Sling Blade someday.
Can you tell me a movie in which Robert Duvall wasn't great?
@@daves2822 No. I don't think so.
Al Pacino should have said he wasn’t making it without Tom.
Really interesting and well put together. I agree, it would have been way better with Duvall and a far more interesting story than the one we ended up with. He was far more important to the story arc than Diane Keaton.
The third film didn't have the magic that 1&2 had.
Duvall is one of the greatest actors of our time. He should have paid him the same as Pacino!!
He's a good actor, but he's not Pacino. He would have done it for 1.6MM. It was foolish not to up his offer by half a mill. It would have been a different and far better movie .
I wish people would stop hating on Sophia! She wasn't all that bad. What should be the focus WAS the missing Tom Hagen. I was very disappointed with his absence. I'm a film watching veteran since I was 5 years old. The film part 3 wasn't very good, but it wasn't bad either. Remember the first two were made in the 70's so the quality was much better.
It’s not hating, you just feel sorry for the poor girl. The acting is excruciating, and it’s now there for the ages. No matter how many Lost In Translations she makes, the biography will always be bookended by the Godfather fiasco. Personally, I always watch G3 in French-the voice acting almost makes up for the silliness. Coppola the director always indulged in nepotism; sooner or later it was bound to come back and bite him on the ass.
Sofia Coppola did an excellent job. She had a fresh innocence which actually added to the film's effectiveness. Part 3 may not be quite as good as its predecessors but it is still a damn good film.
Yes, the dynamic plot, the Godfather vs God...just was superb
When making something like GF3 you must bring back as many of the original cast as you can, plain and simple.
I like The Godfather 3. I like the way the story just went on to the next Generation. I love Andy Garcia in it. I didn't think Francis Ford Coppola daughter was too bad in it. It's just that the first two movies were so amazing
The 2nd movie is in no way amazing. In fact, 3 is better… They both suck
Totally agreed! The presence of Robert Duvall in the movie (which would definitely not have been the same in script) would have done so much better for part 3
If the time was taken to develop the plot better, with Duvall and Winona Ryder in the film AND I heard Gene Hackman had a role offered, then, this could have been an EPIC film....
Danny Aiello and Chaz Palimentarri should've been it in even though Danny had a very very very brief cameo in part II.
Duvall was red hot then I remember. Lonesome Dove was a big hit. Up there with John Voight and Christopher Walken as non-italian superstar actors. He would've been worth the 1.5-2mill he wanted.
Al Pacino should have said he wasn’t making it without Tom.
Until today, I remember the first time I watched the third movie. I was surprised that Tom Hagen was gone. Barely mentioned. I wish they had paid Duvall the money he wanted. The 3rd movie was eh-ok, I suppose but never be on the same level as the first two. Such a shame.
I also missed Clamenza in Godfather 2 but I think Frank more then made up for him.
I heard that Francis Ford Coppola became exasperated with Richard Castellano’s demands regarding Clemenza’s lines in the film.
So, in came Frankie “Five Angels” Pentangelli.
Your research is clinical. BRAVO.
Sophia's acting in 3 was certainly no worse than Talia Shire's acting in 1 and 2
Yeah, I agree...just watched the film recently and SC's performance isn't that bad. Not great, but not as bad as people make out. I feel there's a certain amount of scapegoating here for other issues with the film...which is still an OK movie actually.
Tom was totally correct in his views
Man Coppola started this series as a critique of capitalism. Ended it by making it for profit. Capitalism converts another hahaha
Hollywood hypocrites.
I’m watching a remastered version of Godfather 3. CODA The Death of Michael Corleone. Coppola when in and recut it. Changed beginning and ending. I’m only 30 minutes in, but already much better. The other seemed disjointed. It’s on Paramount+
6:32 - You're welcome
A missed opportunity with 3 was how the relationship between Mike and Tom would be years down the road. The interactions with Connie and Kay are some of the most redeeming parts of 3.
Yes, number 3 should have pitted Tom, against Michael, possibly over their offspring. A confrontation was hinted at in GF 2. And only Tom had the brains and balls to win that. He was the more interesting character in the series.
He's also a better actor then Pacino. They're both good, and Duval is better.
Tom would never have disrespected Don Corleone like that. He would have never have gone against the family. Especially for selfish means.
Michael Corleone never liked Tom Hagen, during the reception for Connie and Carlo's wedding he told Kay; "He (Tom) is a good lawyer, not an Italian but a good man" later after the assassination attempt at the estate, Micheal told Tom what he always wanted to hear. "I have always respected you... your my brother" and this was said to get him to do what he wanted him to do. Michael then yells at him after returning from Cuba..."Why can't you give me a straight answer anymore!" When talking about killing Hyman Roth, Michael dressed him down in front of the capo's of Al Neri and Rocko Lampone by saying; "I thought you where going to tell me your taking the vice presidency of the house of hotels in Reno, I thought you where going to tell me that." Meaning, Michael wanted him to go and probably set the offer up so he would leave. When Tom reacted that he doesn't have to tell Michael about "All the jobs he has turned down" which means Michael has done this before. If Tom doesn't want to play ball he can take his wife, family.... and his mistress and move to Reno.
Just my take
Another prime example of how greedy executives screwed up majorly just to save money...🤦🏻
If Tom hagen was in part 3, I would have watched it
Think I read years ago the studio decided to give Shire more money instead of Robert Duvall. What a laugh...
Tom Hagen's presence in an antagonistic capacity would have given this movie a reason to exist (someone pls ask Duvall his thoughts on Hagen's development after Michael kills Fredo in Part 2) - that plus seeing Michael's son grow into some kind of Frankenstein's monster who takes Michael's own arc to the next level - this is how we should see Michael confronted w his sins (not by watching him blubbering to a priest) - Part 3 seemed to have no sense of how the first 2 movies were developing, including Pacino's performance, which the actor himself acknowledged -
These details are amazing! Paying Keaton 50% more than Duvall was an insane insult. Duvall is a superior actor (even if he underplays) and Hagen's absence was a massive hole in the story. It was one of the main reasons 3 stumbled and Paramount and Coppola have been paperingr it over ever since. The cash-grab new version just brought more the issue back again.
You underestimate Keaton’s acting. She is understated in the role of Kay, and a necessary antidote to Pacino’s awkwardness with women. Superior is relative.
@@jcoltrane8976 Of course my opinion is totally subjective - career-wise I always saw Duvall's understated style to be more compelling and believable (more in the style of a character actor than a robust leading man). Obviously the studio decided to pay Keaton more due to her greater "marquee value", but I can see why Duvall wasn't interested in taking a considerably lesser fee. What we'll never know is how much better 3 might have been if Hagen's calm presence had been beside Michael.
was pain in the ass as Michaels wife,,lol.. Nosey and always asking to many qusestions ,,etc etc I shouted out so mant times SHUT THE HELL UP.. lmaof
Her character was a completely unnecessary distraction.
@@HermanIngram the whole film is too long for an ending so predictable ...
What a great angle! Pitting the brothers against each other would of been great.
I kinda enjoyed coda but that part in sicily drags to much, the movie still felt boring, i never felt bored watching the previous movies.
The biggest mistakes of godfather 3 was
not having duvall in it
Having sofia coppola in it (it was supposed to be winona ryder)
Having andy garcia's vincent estranged from Michael at the beginning like michael barely knows his existence they should of made them have more of a relationship together it would of made it more believable for michael to be grooming him to become the next godfather
"Its always about money" Funny thing is, when they released the Godfather Videogame in 2006, produced AGAIN 15 years later, Robert Duvall, Abe Vigotta, (even Marlon Brando for a few scenes in 2004) and all the other living cast members repraised their roles via motion capture, exept Al Pacino, thats why Michael looks like Martin Short in the Game. Bonus Fact, in the german version all the voice actors, who where still alive, repraised their roles too
Robert Duvall was the heart of 1&2, not having him in 3 was a huge mistake.
Family is such a central theme of the Godfather films and Tom Hagen was one of the few remaining original family members. Hagen was a great character played by a great actor. His presence would have hugely deepened and legitimized the third film with all kinds of story points and character moments. Duval was crucial. Rather than insult him, they should have paid Duvall what he was worth.