Just love her..so unassuming, no diva attitude...just a classy, beautiful all-around sweet girl who can do amazing things on those figure skates!!!! :)
SO underrated as a skater. Debi Thomas does not push on her crossovers and Caryn flies across the ice. Her posture is gorgeous, her moves finished, her spins hit beautiful positions. Look at the speed she had coming out of the opening double-Axel. Heartbreaking that she did not get to skate at 88 Olympics.
I luv that Scott mentions her beautiful line and polished finished moves and positioning. I've seen too few skaters who have these unique qualities. I've a feeling even if Karyn did that last triple toe loop jump she still would've finished behind Katarina and Debi. The scoring is just so biased.
One of the most beautiful skaters of her era who is still fondly remembered for her artistry. Her skating stood out and prompted a view of this performance. Many thanks for sharing.
unfortunately she doubled a few jumps. however, her beauty, grace, and balletic posture and style are breathtaking and epitomize the best of Ladies' figure skating. i love the fact that back then the choreography was not full of excessive and overly dramatic head, arm, hand, and leg movements which sometimes border on the frenetic (yes, i am talking about the Russian ladies these days).
There are so many lovely & accomplished figure skaters. But, for some reason, Caryn has always caught my attention. Beautiful & elegant, she always captures my heart. And , this was a time when it was more about the artistry, than the athleticism.
Beautiful artistic skating! She should have won the Silver. What's with the low 5.4 score from the Finnish judge? This was a strong 5.7 technical program and easily 5.8 artistically. Caryn's crux has always been her triple jumps, but she did four here and reduced that last jump to a double. If she had added one more, she would've gotten the Silver.
If the judging was fair she should win gold had she dont the last 2 jumps. She would have 5 triples like Witt but 2 of hers triple loops which are harder while Witt had only 1. Witt probably wins on reputation though, and Caryn wins silver in that case.
Capriccio Espagnol And Concierto De Aranjuez... my favorite choices of music for her. Rimsky Korsakov and Joaquin Rodrigo! Two of my favorite composers!
Starting at 3:40, the music piece is Malaguena, recalling Kristi Yamaguchi's Golden year in 1992 when she used the same piece to win the triple crown--Olympics, Worlds, and U.S. Nationals.
At 0.42 of the program a double axel step into a triple loop a very difficult combo for its time. She did 2 triple loops Katerina had a hard time with one.
It always made me wonder, what Kadavy could of done if she did not get sick the next year in Calgary at the 1988 Winter Olympics. With a program like this with her beautiful skating, Caryn Kadavy could have beaten Katarina Witt, Liz Manly, and Debi Thomas. It is just to bad that she could not skate that free skate program or one equal to this one in 1987 at those Olympic Games. If she would have won and defeated Witt, what an upset.
Actually with the figures and short program standings she would not have won a medal in Calgary even with winning the long program unfortunately. She would have needed to win the long and Debi be 6th in the long to win the bronze (Debi was 4th in the long over Jill on a 5-4 split so presumably would be no lower than 5th in the long).
She was placed behind Witt and Thomas here, even with this skate. I disagreed, particularly being behind Thomas, but she was. And Manley at the Olympics was incredible and had a triple lutz. I highly doubt she is placed over either Manley or Witt at the Olympics even with this skate. She would have beaten Thomas's LP at the Olympics since Thomas had a meltdown but she was so far behind coming in the LP there she never catches her either. Plus as someone already said she was too far behind going into the LP to medal mathematically even winning the LP in Calgary. She would have now been 1st in the long to Debi's 5th, and even that does not make it up since 50% of the scoring was already done and with her 7th in figures to Debi's 2nd and 5th in the short to Debi's 2nd, she was slightly more than 4 long program placements worth of ordinals behind.
It's a shame watching this knowing what happened to her at the Olympics a year later. But at least she had a fine pro career and a long one at that. If I remember correctly I recall her being in professional competitions nearly 10 years after this. She was always lovely to watch.
Yes, they are right... Europeans love her... elegance, grace, great lines, very good jumps, great choice of music, excellent choreography and a superb coach too. Really lovely.
Caryn is a skater I can look back on and say she legitimately deserved to be a champion. For as artistic as she was, you could see she certainly loved to fly through the air. Her jumps, her spins, choreography and presentation, were second to none. It has always been a headscratcher for me why Caryn was often scored so low, yet she was technically more proficient than Debbi (Caryn's double axel flew across the ice, Debbi's didn't - Caryn flew into her triple loop, Debbi crawled into hers only to two-foot the landing often); and Caryn was certainly more artistic that Jill Trenary who was deemed by who knows who as some great artist on ice. Pah-lease. (I have nothing personal against Jill, but I strongly feel she benefitted from the fact that she was conventionally "pretty." Sometimes, it's as simple as that folks.) Because on paper, it's not adding up. Jill had had a shaky double axel. When she did her triples they were just okay. The excitement was that she landed the jumps. And don't give me that crap about the figures. We don't know what Jill's figures looked like. For all we know they could have been a hot mess. That part of the competition was rarely broadcast live. For me red flags started after Caryn had landed triple loops (often performed at very high speeds), in several major international competitions under great pressure, yet she's coming behind Jill? Knowing what we know about the corruption in judging, I'm sure they wanted Jill as their champion in the U.S., and the fix was in. They couldn't legitimately keep Debbi down because by 1987 Debbi was raining world champion, and Debbi's figure, without a shadow of a doubt, were always superior. Everyone from Brian Boitano to many others in the skating world have raved about Debbi's prowess in figures. Added to that, Debbi was spitting out triple triple combinations. So, U.S. figure skating had to find another target. And that's where I think Caryn comes in. Not saying Caryn was always great. But when I look back on this golden era and I rank who the truly great skaters were, I would have to say: Caryn, Debbi THEN Jill - and then everybody else.
I agree that Caryn is one of the finest skaters in the history of the sport. But head to head against Jill, Jill usually performed better on her jumps. Just watch videos of their competitions in 1987 and 1988.
I would have had this first in the free skating, even with the single axels. she did 4 triples in total, and 3 were different ones!! Maybe if she didn't single the axels she would have been first...
You are wrong. Had she done those 2 jumps she would have won for sure. She would have had more technical content than Witt (or Thomas) with 5 triples and 2 triple loops. Her artistry was great, so there is no reason had she done the last 2 jumps she shouldnt have and probably wouldnt have clearly won.
The last two jumps were disappointing. She should've at least pull off the 2 axel.; It showed the lack of competitive drive and ambition that true champions like Katarina had.
She could have won more world medals, if only she wasn't afraid to win, Carlo Farsi once stated. She was none as practice skater able to do the triples in practice but not usually when it counted unfortunately.
Not sure I would call it brilliant she’s not running for the gold she missed two double axles tournament into singles and she missed triple tool lube, right at the end which may have really would’ve helped her score
One of the finest figure skaters in history.
Magic was in the air all over Cincinnati during Worlds. I was there. I got to see Caryn in practice sessions.
Yes!!! One of America's 'full-package' skaters EVER! Caryn Kadavy.
Caryn's LP was absolutely beautiful. Powerful jumping and her artistry was first rate.
She was probably the best overall skater of her era in terms of skills. Shame about what happened in the Olympics when she got sick.
Did you see she has very little preparation for her triple loops the way you see most skaters today? That was terrific from start to finish.
Just love her..so unassuming, no diva attitude...just a classy, beautiful all-around sweet girl who can do amazing things on those figure skates!!!! :)
SO underrated as a skater. Debi Thomas does not push on her crossovers and Caryn flies across the ice. Her posture is gorgeous, her moves finished, her spins hit beautiful positions. Look at the speed she had coming out of the opening double-Axel. Heartbreaking that she did not get to skate at 88 Olympics.
She skated at the 88 Olympics. She placed 7th in figures and 5th in the short program.
Matt G. - Ahhh, yes. I stand corrected. It was only the long she missed out on . Shame. She could've done very well.
She missed the Long program at ‘88 due to the flu. I remember being so disappointed for her.
@@traceytillman7453 I used to love her as a skater and I really felt her when she had to miss out.
At least we got to see her in her sick bed so pissed that she couldn't do the long program.
I always forget how great Caryn was. I remember in 1988 at Calgary she had a beautiful short program but had to scratch because she got sick.
This jump sequence at 0:42 was amazing, for it's time.
The flow between jumps and other moves is just gobsmackingly phenomenal! that was a Gold medal performance in my books.
I luv that Scott mentions her beautiful line and polished finished moves and positioning.
I've seen too few skaters who have these unique qualities.
I've a feeling even if Karyn did that last triple toe loop jump she still would've finished behind Katarina and Debi.
The scoring is just so biased.
One of the most beautiful skaters of her era who is still fondly remembered for her artistry. Her skating stood out and prompted a view of this performance. Many thanks for sharing.
I loved Caryn Kadavy's skating as eligible and pro skater. She was underappreciated, IMO.
The Top 3 Free skates were phenomenal
unfortunately she doubled a few jumps. however, her beauty, grace, and balletic posture and style are breathtaking and epitomize the best of Ladies' figure skating. i love the fact that back then the choreography was not full of excessive and overly dramatic head, arm, hand, and leg movements which sometimes border on the frenetic (yes, i am talking about the Russian ladies these days).
I often wonder when wildly gesticulating arms became a substitute for choreography.
So happy for her here! I often hum her music to myself thinking of her skate here.
There are so many lovely & accomplished figure skaters. But, for some reason, Caryn has always caught my attention. Beautiful & elegant, she always captures my heart. And , this was a time when it was more about the artistry, than the athleticism.
Beautiful artistic skating! She should have won the Silver. What's with the low 5.4 score from the Finnish judge? This was a strong 5.7 technical program and easily 5.8 artistically. Caryn's crux has always been her triple jumps, but she did four here and reduced that last jump to a double. If she had added one more, she would've gotten the Silver.
If the judging was fair she should win gold had she dont the last 2 jumps. She would have 5 triples like Witt but 2 of hers triple loops which are harder while Witt had only 1. Witt probably wins on reputation though, and Caryn wins silver in that case.
beautiful skater - thanks for sharing
Capriccio Espagnol And Concierto De Aranjuez... my favorite choices of music for her. Rimsky Korsakov and Joaquin Rodrigo! Two of my favorite composers!
Starting at 3:40, the music piece is Malaguena, recalling Kristi Yamaguchi's Golden year in 1992 when she used the same piece to win the triple crown--Olympics, Worlds, and U.S. Nationals.
Always on of my favorites!!!
At 0.42 of the program a double axel step into a triple loop a very difficult combo for its time. She did 2 triple loops Katerina had a hard time with one.
@eren mori she didn’t fall on it in 94, she just put a hand down
It always made me wonder, what Kadavy could of done if she did not get sick the next year in Calgary at the 1988 Winter Olympics. With a program like this with her beautiful skating, Caryn Kadavy could have beaten Katarina Witt, Liz Manly, and Debi Thomas. It is just to bad that she could not skate that free skate program or one equal to this one in 1987 at those Olympic Games. If she would have won and defeated Witt, what an upset.
Actually with the figures and short program standings she would not have won a medal in Calgary even with winning the long program unfortunately. She would have needed to win the long and Debi be 6th in the long to win the bronze (Debi was 4th in the long over Jill on a 5-4 split so presumably would be no lower than 5th in the long).
She was placed behind Witt and Thomas here, even with this skate. I disagreed, particularly being behind Thomas, but she was. And Manley at the Olympics was incredible and had a triple lutz. I highly doubt she is placed over either Manley or Witt at the Olympics even with this skate. She would have beaten Thomas's LP at the Olympics since Thomas had a meltdown but she was so far behind coming in the LP there she never catches her either. Plus as someone already said she was too far behind going into the LP to medal mathematically even winning the LP in Calgary. She would have now been 1st in the long to Debi's 5th, and even that does not make it up since 50% of the scoring was already done and with her 7th in figures to Debi's 2nd and 5th in the short to Debi's 2nd, she was slightly more than 4 long program placements worth of ordinals behind.
Excellent 👌
What was the Finish judge thinking? 5.4? way too low for the amount of spectacular jumps and overall performance standard.
This was a great performance! I think that I would have placed her 2nd in the freeskate.
De Fassi: “Five Point FOUR??!!!” 5:26. 🤣🤣🤣
It's a shame watching this knowing what happened to her at the Olympics a year later. But at least she had a fine pro career and a long one at that. If I remember correctly I recall her being in professional competitions nearly 10 years after this. She was always lovely to watch.
LOVE HER
The wind really went out of the sails after the double toe-loop and single axel.
Yes, they are right... Europeans love her... elegance, grace, great lines, very good jumps, great choice of music, excellent choreography and a superb coach too. Really lovely.
Caryn is a skater I can look back on and say she legitimately deserved to be a champion. For as artistic as she was, you could see she certainly loved to fly through the air. Her jumps, her spins, choreography and presentation, were second to none. It has always been a headscratcher for me why Caryn was often scored so low, yet she was technically more proficient than Debbi (Caryn's double axel flew across the ice, Debbi's didn't - Caryn flew into her triple loop, Debbi crawled into hers only to two-foot the landing often); and Caryn was certainly more artistic that Jill Trenary who was deemed by who knows who as some great artist on ice. Pah-lease. (I have nothing personal against Jill, but I strongly feel she benefitted from the fact that she was conventionally "pretty." Sometimes, it's as simple as that folks.) Because on paper, it's not adding up. Jill had had a shaky double axel. When she did her triples they were just okay. The excitement was that she landed the jumps. And don't give me that crap about the figures. We don't know what Jill's figures looked like. For all we know they could have been a hot mess. That part of the competition was rarely broadcast live. For me red flags started after Caryn had landed triple loops (often performed at very high speeds), in several major international competitions under great pressure, yet she's coming behind Jill? Knowing what we know about the corruption in judging, I'm sure they wanted Jill as their champion in the U.S., and the fix was in. They couldn't legitimately keep Debbi down because by 1987 Debbi was raining world champion, and Debbi's figure, without a shadow of a doubt, were always superior. Everyone from Brian Boitano to many others in the skating world have raved about Debbi's prowess in figures. Added to that, Debbi was spitting out triple triple combinations. So, U.S. figure skating had to find another target. And that's where I think Caryn comes in. Not saying Caryn was always great. But when I look back on this golden era and I rank who the truly great skaters were, I would have to say: Caryn, Debbi THEN Jill - and then everybody else.
I agree that Caryn is one of the finest skaters in the history of the sport. But head to head against Jill, Jill usually performed better on her jumps. Just watch videos of their competitions in 1987 and 1988.
❤ She's a Great ice skater
Gorgeous
Love her!!
Holy Shit!! Woooooooow!!!
Gotta love her!!!
I would have had this first in the free skating, even with the single axels. she did 4 triples in total, and 3 were different ones!! Maybe if she didn't single the axels she would have been first...
You are wrong. Had she done those 2 jumps she would have won for sure. She would have had more technical content than Witt (or Thomas) with 5 triples and 2 triple loops. Her artistry was great, so there is no reason had she done the last 2 jumps she shouldnt have and probably wouldnt have clearly won.
5.4 and 5.6?! Who bought off the Finnish judge?
The composition and style should have been all 5.9's at least!!!!
Undermarked!
alguien sabe cuál es el nombre de la segunda canción ??
USA and Russian judges wanted her to win.
The last two jumps were disappointing. She should've at least pull off the 2 axel.; It showed the lack of competitive drive and ambition that true champions like Katarina had.
地元アメリカだから大歓声が起きているが、演技は少し物足らない。当時解説の渡部絵美さんが指摘した様に「つなぎ」のスケーティングに課題がある。得意の3ループは見事だが、技が抜けた時に目立つのと、飽きさせない工夫が必要となる。
She could have won more world medals, if only she wasn't afraid to win, Carlo Farsi once stated. She was none as practice skater able to do the triples in practice but not usually when it counted unfortunately.
Excuse my misspelling.
Not sure I would call it brilliant she’s not running for the gold she missed two double axles tournament into singles and she missed triple tool lube, right at the end which may have really would’ve helped her score
@lutz84 - No!