The Division 2: How Devs Choices Are Alienating Their Fans in Year 6
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- The Division 2 Year 6 reveal creates community upset around Season 2.0 and Manhunt 2.0. What can the community expect for Year 6 2024 DLC and more.
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Do you understand the idea of Seasonal Characters?
I get the problem if it hits Watch Dogs legion level of disposability, but I think I'm still in a wait and see mode.
Theres little getting around the abundance of decent loot, and most missions having generic design.
The new seasonal characters will be taken from Heartland, maybe. Let's see that's how lazy and not creative the content given to us.
When do you end up playing your current character that you spent hours and hours leveling up?
I think the point of seasonal characters is to give the player base more, not punishment. Games like Diablo use seasons to experiment with gameplay concepts they aren’t willing commit to permanently. If it works, for Division 2, it will make for a more exciting season with a short term grind to level up, followed by weeks of new variations of builds.
For instance, what if we could use exotic kneepads that unlock the use of multiple exotics? That would break the game, but you can do things like that in seasons. Seasons in Division 2 are boring atm, so this could be a great addition.
I don't do mules for a reason, the same reason I'll just straight out quit next season. Ubisoft hates money.
Keener: "u got no idea wats coming."
Fan base: unfortunately, Keener, we do 😢
For comedy gold, that needs to end with Keeners death laugh from Liberty Island.
I don’t want to start from level one after 6 years of grinding to 26 expertise everything.
Yep this right here!!
Totally agree!
They want us to start our characters over again? That's fine, they can start their playerbase over again too.
Think thats ubis point😏
Yep👍
I am not going to take credit for this but I saw someone say that it should be optional, and I think thats a good idea. Let people make the choice if they want to use their main characters or if they want to start new for the season. Yes most people are just going to stick with their main characters, but lets be honest, even less people will be willing to even try the seasonal characters if its forced for the seasonal progression, people just don't like being forced to do things a certain way when they shouldn't have to.
If they force this on veteran players, I think you’re going to see a lot of people put this game down finally. I got thousands and thousands of hours in . That would be a slap in the face.
@@patzman924cDay 1, 27k shd level agent here and I would regularly play 5-10 hours per DAY without fail. This past year, however, it's been difficult to find the motivation to pull 5-10 hours per WEEK (some of that is underlying personal issues I won't get into here).
Prior to the start of this season I hadn't played after Reanimated ended, even Golden Bullet couldn't inspire me. I really think Seasons 2.0 might actually close the door on this game for me. I really do.
We should have a choice facts
It's all about the shareholders and their biggest metric is minutes played. They'll get a lot more minutes out of you if you have to grind a new character to 40 every season in order to finish the story. It's dirty AF and it's just another way to artificially inflate how much time people are spending in game. It will take you much longer to complete with a new character than if you're completing seasonal content with leveled character with a solid build. Its not a new tactic but it definitely is a dirty one. It's just more proof that these game companies care far more about the shareholders than the people who keep them employed.
@@steveeymann6374 Even so, there's a certain point where they have to realize that it's not worth killing the game in a crappy attempt to get more playtime. They actually will lose playtime and a shit ton of it if they go through with this change. They will also lose alot of money because on top of all the players that will outright quit, there's people like me who this change probably won't be enough to quit the game but will no longer be buying the premium pass or any other micro transactions.
thank you for this video. it shows you have more respect for your audience than for your ubi partnership. this new season exposed many bad apples in the community
The devs are stupid if they think people can’t see this is a Diablo season copy paste. I think this is a way that they think it will be “fun” to re-collect everything we have had and that’s shit plain and simple. I haven’t played this many years grinding resources which is the bottleneck of the game to need to do it again. This all amounts to them trying to stretch out the game till the dlc and div3 because they are out of ideas. This is very apparent with the crappiest items being introduced this season and some from the last seasons. Just like the movie industry nowadays creativity is bad and they are just rehashing ideas from other games and can’t come up with their own. I’m not hopeful for the dlc and div3.
What we want is map expansion. Continued and regular map expansion. All these little dog and pony shows generally fall flat on their face. Who plays descent, Kenley College, Summit....nobody.
@@BMXAuthority Summit is not to bad the rest is garbage.
Correct the Devs are trying to stretch out the game, AGAIN we already had one addition to stretch out the game, it’s was called the Expertise System.
Which was introduced during a long content draught.
DLC and Div 3 are almost certainly not happening
I don't fully agree with your take, but only because I think this is UBI's idea of how to unlock more profit in Division 3. However you really struck a chord; this truly is the era of spreadsheets. Fucking no one listens to their customers anymore, they just attempt to interpret what the statistics say we like and do. It's so fucking stupid.
Fking finally a decent content creator gets it and says it outloud
I won't start over I will go to a different game.
What you said. I can go to both Breakpoint & Wildlands, as i have them now on the PC. Along with the original Division.
Coming from PS5, which i refuse to pay for PS+ at it price point. I remember paying $49 for the year.
Yes. Ubisoft apparently thinks people don't quit games when they go to crap, and there's noting else to play. I've quit more MMOs out of boredom than I can remember so I'm not worried about finding something else to play. When their name gets added to the constantly growing list of laid off game devs they can reflect on their decisions.
Right? If I wanna play a game that feels like a job I'd go play diablo 4
When this happens, I'm done. I can make room for other games on the SSD.
for me Descent is a waste of time, I'm a Solo Player so I don't do Raids or Incursion...
so, I've spent literally thousands of hours perfecting my agent only to be TOLD how I will play the game now?
Ludacris!!!
If Season 2 Characters comes to fruition, then it will be the end of Division 2 for me
CLEARLY Ubisoft HATES money! Everything they've done this year so far and everything they have coming for the rest of the year stands as irrefutable proof.
assassin's creed Africa I mean shadows is proof of that.
Oh quite the contrary. They're using Division 2 to test out ideas for Division 3, build up a newer supposedly better player base, and eliminate the detractors before Division 3 launches. This is all about money, but not at all about Division 2.
All i can say is: Vote.With.Your.Wallet!
Its the only Language Ubisoft understands.
I know this is the last time i bought a season pass or anything else related to Ubisoft.
The f with every Game franchise and run it into the ground, they ignore bugs for YEARS and we still give them Money? Sounds like an abussive and one sided relationship to me.
It's simple if I can't play my main I can't buy season passes or 25$ outfits no matter how cool they are
This has become very time consuming without the fun
Starting with a new character so that they can then tailor the season on advancing new characters makes it sound to me like they’re going to be continuing the current thing where updates are focused on specific items or weapon types in the game, in order to encourage more people to use certain weapon types, skills, or gear.
It’s ok as it is, because as it is, you can just ignore all of that if you don’t care for whatever the current focus is on. It’s not ok if they think they can force us to use a new character in order to just play thru the season.
Descent was Massive’s answer when they asked themselves how they could make The Summit even more boring. Basing entire season around a similar idea seems like a big fail to me.
Not just "a" season- the foundation of end game 2.0
agreed
I think we're all going to agree on this topic. It's like a "wipe" on Tarkov.
Or seasons in diablo
Or bye bye to division
They actually don’t want our money lol
well tarkov would never be popular without the wipes...
@@whysoslow1999 true but people bought the game knowing that going in. They didn't decide to start doing wipes after 3 years into the game.
So glad atleast one content creator is on the communities side, and not just fence sitting saying "you're not forced to play seasonal characters" "lets just give it a try". I agree on giving it a try but doing and saying nothing about the downsides to get it changed before it's too late will do irreparable damage to the game. Make it optional so these content creators that say "i need something new to grind for" can fuck off and do that and the actual community gets what it wants.
Yea once seasons 2.0 is out I am done. Not making new characters every season ...
Tux, thanks for being the only content creator to call a spade a spade..
Seems like this really is my final season. I love that I have my builds where I can choose the one I fancy on playing. They aren't optimized for meta, but for my playstyle. Something where I can have fun and still need to think what I'm doing. I'm not going to be making a new character for anything. I know what weapons I like and really the only skill I use is the shield to save me when I did something stupid.
This might be my final season as well, sadly. I put so many hours into this with my main. I'll still play the game, just not the seasons. There's still time to change this, hopefully they do and make this an optional choice so we can play with the seasonal character if we want to or we can just go back to our main and play the season.
Not interested in being treated like a noob and not being able to use the character I've invested 16000 SHD levels into. They did this to us once and nuked the builds it took me 2500 hours to max out. Not again. After 6800 hours in this game, I want to use the gear and character I've earned.
I'm creeping up on 10k shd. I will not be starting over again.
"Hey Agent! Are you the guy who saved the World a few times already? Could you do it again, please?" "No, sorry i am his unpaid intern."
My main character is over 12,200SHD, I have over 850 exotic components that I have grinded months for, do you really think I want to use a level 1 character after all the hours I have put into this game . It is bad enough when you you do a level 35 character and do all the boring missions in WONY , YET AGAIN, to farm for the points !!! I will not be doing seasons anymore unless it is with my main vamped up character that I have spent many many hours getting to this level !!!!
Won't be playing seasons anymore. 😅
ubisoft doesnt care. they just want metrics for shareholders. if you dont, someone else will play. community never wins
I was expecting the writers to ruin the game, not the developers.
Why do I want to regrind the same map? The same old map and mission is the fucking problem !
So you want the Division 3? I think we all want all new everything. A redesign of the entire game is not on the table.
@Iloveidiots1 at this point yes, I'd rather they just take the resources they are pissing away, sunset the game and bring d3 out faster, if I were being honest.
You summed it up perfectly with this video. No one wants to needlessly grind on a throwaway character. Especially when you haven't even min/max your main character. Not everyone has time for that. I want to spend time on my main character
ofcourse man.. I've seen these devs play the game a few months ago like a bunch of uber noobs.. If you don't even understand the product... bro.. any normal company you would be fired.. but again.. it's all about the profit
The addition of seasonal characters seems to be a cheap way to address years of poorly addressed power creep without having to spend additional resources on creating a more challenging player experience for those of us who have taken the time to learn the systems and optimise our gear and play style.
There are many approaches that could be taken with addressing these issues and they have chosen one that they are hoping will result in increased profits for the company. the players attention and money are the goal NOT our satisfaction, they will spend as little time and money as possible to get us to stick around thus the cheap option.
They could introduce additional enemy types, greater open world difficulty, additional missions in the current map, greater seasonal diversity with objectives or even just increase the enemy spawn rates and have multiple spawns active at once to avoid the spawn camping as we see in this video. These options may not generate the revenue increase they desire so they won’t do it.
They could just shuffle talents and update gear and it'd bring more longevity than seasons will.
@@grumpyoldman6503 yes thats a possibility, they could also add in more directives for added challenge. there is a million ways they could go about this and they are choosing to do it this way for some reason and im sure we can assume that reason is money.
Nice video! If you think about it’s another form of gear lock. They just repackaged it after the previous uproar.
I'm willing to try this but if it's as scuffed as every single patch and feature for the last two years, I'm out. This might be the final straw.
What I see myself doing is creating the same exact character every single season. I did this and do this with Diablo every season I played it was the same class, same skills, same weapons. I didn't care about the meta.
They are essentially trying to do a diablo/ poe type deal with seasonal characters.
1.This wont even work cause we dont even have enough character slots for this to happen. Diablo has 12 character slots and div2 has 4 character slots.
2. You dont have enough storage space for every new gear set you introduce into the game. You could crush gear and make it later to save space but that requires materials and money and it can get expensive.
And who wants to grind out 6 years of the same thing every season? not me lol
They're trying to keep people from running through the new content so fast.
Need no worry legends, The First Descendant is just around the corner 🎉
I'm really not thrilled about the seasonal character bs. My main character has gone through EVERYTHING and it wouldn't feel right just up and ditching them every season until the end. I've gone to the lengths of giving my character a backstory and pre green poison story and filling in gaps up until where they are at right now. I get very immersed into the world and can almost feel how my character would behave and think in the environment they are in, Having that taken away especially as a solo player is heartbreaking and makes me lose hope in the direction the game is taking. I really hope they make it optional instead of forcing the whole seasonal character thing. Have a better one Div2 fam
I agree 100% with you. I'm a solo player as well. The devs are basically saying...Hey, remember that Agent you've been playing with this whole time? Yeah, he/she is going to sit on the sidelines from now on. If you want to continue the story, here's this new character. Enjoy suckers. The devs are making a mistake and they NEED to listen to us because this is going to kill the game and the playerbase.
The definition of insanity, doing the same thing, over and over, expecting change.
Massive have always been shit on communication when it comes to the real problems both their games, division one and division two
Doesn’t this also divide the community though? Between main characters and seasonal characters?
They haven't explicitly said 1 way or the other yet, but in other games the seasonal is siloed away from the "eternal".
Like hardcore is now.
First of all, OMFG, thank you so much for just being honest with us. So many TD2 content creators are trying to spin this, gaslight, convince & Jedi Mind Trick us into believing that something we don't want is actually something great.
Second, playing Seasons in games like Diablo, as in ARPGs, is different, because those games are just devoted to map-clearing, I don't have to replay missions that I've done ad nauseam literally for years. I can start a new Season in Diablo or Path of Exile & try out a new build, or even get my new farming build back in a scant few play sessions, I'm not losing my tweaked min-maxed builds, & the Devs in those games aren't using Seasons as a substitute for content, which seems to be the place here.
I agree with AdrienGrey1540 and Kbotev!
And many of the other contributors.
Also, thank you to you for a balanced view, and for actually speaking up...
A lot of Division content creators have shown their true colours in the last few days for sure!
(Shills who are too stoopid to realise their job / income will be directly affected by this!
Who will be watching build videos if we have to start from scratch and use low level gear?!)
I'm predominantly a solo player, been playing for years, around 3000 hours and money invested.
I want to play with MY CHARACTER!
I detest Descent.
I detest seasonal characters.
It will be a deal breaker for me, and I will feel I've wasted 5 years.
I would also never buy another Ubisoft game, and I've bought hundreds from them over the decades!
(I know they wouldn't care less tho lol).
It does feel like a punishment. Especially for us long time, and solo players.
It's Ubisoft trying to do a cash grab, trying to entice low engagement, low attention, transient and fair weather players, who are willing to pay to progress.
It will work for them in the short term, but will be a massive mistake in the long term and be the death knell for The Division.
Good luck Agents 🫡
All these so-called division, Content creators treating their subscribers like morons is pretty funny at this point.
Telling us that we just don’t get what the developers are saying or actually doing . We are all on the same page of how stupid this is. There’s absolutely nothing they wanna do that. We can’t do with their main characters. If there’s no room and they can’t give us more stash or inventory space then how is all this gear on our seasonal character going to go on our main characters ?
They could’ve just gave us survival 2.0.
Contant creators saying this is just like Diablo and other games meanwhile, they don’t have any videos of them playing the games they’re talking about .
It’s almost like they’re reading from a script because they repeat the same talking points .
They actually have the balls to say we’re not being forced to play the new character but if you want the new content, you have to play the seasonal character. Anyone else getting Covid lockdowns jab flashbacks.
They’re giving the way the game at this point with what the prices are but the people who actually paid for New York grind for all the new skills are getting F’ed because new players will already have them unlocked.
Another talking point is a RUclipsr states he’s tired of seeing people running the same gear because it’s boring and if you now have a dark winter or a Saint Elmo’s it’s because you worked for it . I don’t know how someone can even say that because once you reach level 40, you would just transfer one from your main character to your seasonal character.
Exactly, Their gaslighting is ridiculous. There was also a few accounts copy, and pasting the same things under every negative comment. Makes it seem like a bit of an organized campaign.
" I don’t know how someone can even say that because once you reach level 40, you would just transfer one from your main character to your seasonal character." This is such a hilarious way to end your rant because it proves you don't understand how seasonal characters have worked in the myriad games that use them. Seasonal characters generally have a separate stash and inventory from your non-seasonal characters. The whole point of them is the contained eco system to experiment with new systems.
@@barooboodoo according to other division creators that talked to devs they were not be a separate stash. All characters will share the stash you can swap gear back-and-forth to other ( at 40 ) characters from the devs own words. The seasonal character will be locked to a certain point in inventory then, after this season over you all share the original stash. So clearly you’re the only one that doesn’t understand.
@@aaronkeener95 can you link me to someone saying that?
@@barooboodoo I will post it later. It should still be up on my laptop at home. it’s a Reddit link to a discord link you may have to join/sign in
Lemme add my 2 cents here. Seasonal Characters are not new in concept (as already stated), and for some genres of games they have been proven to work, but mostly only in the sense that the community already knows, for the most part, what they are getting into, and I specifically mean ARPGs (Such as the Diablo franchise, Path of Exile etc.).
However it's important to understand what a new season actually brings to the table in that genre, and for that the making of a new charecter is what makes sense, it let's you experience the season mechanic from the ground up, but in here lies the problem, it's not just "some modifiers" it's an actually, generally speaking, complex new system, or many for that matter, that significantly change and/or enhence the game experince as a whole, maybe new bosses, or areas, or enemy types and so one, and for the gear balances and mostly importantly functional and usable new gear.
These dudes can't make more then a set for season, they can't fix the shit that the community been screaming about for years, they can't be facking honest with us with anything and lack the capacity for clear communication even when they attempt it (or do they?), and you think I believe they can make a seasonal system interesting enough to make me play this sad excuse of a looter shooter all over again, every season? Yeah right, I'd love to see you pull that off, and I don't even mean that sarcasticly.
I been defending this game for years, I bought many copies for my friends to play with me, and to be honest I had fun, but this looks bleak as shit man, I ain't seeing no light at the end of this tunnel, and we been here a while.
Well to be honest if it's already a done deal then i suspect a large portion of the playerbase will reply with yep it's a done deal i'm out and goodbye.
Me personally i haven't played for quite a while (got bored of the Manhunt system and seasons) but i also wanted a reason ERGO new content and new Story to entice me back, with my character, but if i cannot progress my character within the new story/lore/content then there is no point coming back.
PS: One big question/issue the devs left with no details.
The New DLC coming that continues the story (Can we play that with our original/main character? or is that going to be a new character start?) if it's a new character start that might be the breaking of the entire playerbase thats left.
My biggest regret is not continuing to play TD1 for another 2 years before playing TD2. Could have gotten WoNY for $6 too.
Hi, I'm based on Asian region PS5 player and I noticed the below issue.
In Descent mode, the "Agonizing Bite" exotic tallent is not working currently; (meaning its not marking any enemy during combat). And I'm not sure other exotic tallents are working correctly or not.
They messed up that talent and mainly corrected for descent, yet nobody really figured that's why they tweeked it. But yes it's not working as it was.
This game got me through covid. I love the division 2 and I feel like I am my character in some fictional world. I love to help people get exotics in the raid and incursion. I know what it is like being a solo player with no team. I actually care about the decision to implement seasonal characters because I have spent five years (9500 hours, 18,700 SHD) making my character what he is today. I was here during the two years that there was no new content at all. I was here for heartbreakers being op, and I was here when they nerfed it. I was here when strikers was bad and I am here now that it’s powerful. I was here when countdown dropped and I was here for descent as well. I have always supported this game and the player base. I always buy apparel from the store to support this game and the developers because I want them to make more for this game. But If I can’t play this game with my main character, i don’t want to play at all. I have every collectible, comm, video, and descent comm, except for the new 20 they added to descent. If I can’t use my main, I will just leave the division 2 and put my hard earned money into something else. They already made my 30 dollars warlords purchase irrelevant. Please hear us Ubisoft and stop screwing your diehard division agents!
There is not enough information for absolutes of the seasonal play. Ubisoft did a terrible job of "explaining" and most heard "New character", "start at zero", and "more loot". There was too much Ubisoft said without clarity. So if you're mad now, you gonna stay mad about anything else that is put out about it.
nice to hear, one CC that gets it! thanks for respecting and representing us.
the problem with this is that if each season takes 4 months and you need to run them with a new player, when do I get to use my main player that I have spent like 1k plus hours building and tweaking.
Weapons and gear you find in season 2.0 can't transfer to your main character if you have zero space to hold it.
It seems like they're simply trying to attract more and more "new" players. Veteran players definitely won't want to start from scratch after putting so much time into main characters.
What's the point of transferring the stuff at the end of the season from the seasonal character to the og characters if we are just expected to make another seasonal character immediately to play the newest season? Ask Diablo, POE, or any other season based game if their players still play their non seasonal characters during a current season. That will give you an idea of what season based gaming is like.
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Daria get her out
Argh. I’ve had a tough day, so I’m saving this for tomorrow. I hope it’s good news. I need good news these days.
Uh oh.
What pisses me off is that 2 months ago i spent the money to buy WONY so I could get to lvl40 just to find out that its no longer required. There is zero chance that they didn't know at that poimt that it was happening. It feels a bit scammish.
I fell in love with The Division franchise with the first one in 2016. If I have to shelf my main character that I have spent the last five years perfecting; I will be done with this franchise forever. I don’t understand why they would do this when The Division 3 has already been announced and therefore we are really at the end of The Division 2. It’s like they are trying to get people to stop playing.
The main reason why I don't really do the whole watch mule thing is because I absolutely hate starting over. I mean, I do have additional characters cause I've tried to do it but it's just not for me. So I sorta saw the whole seasonal character thing as a way of forcing us but not really "forcing" us to do the whole watch mule thing. But if it really is more like decent but open world then I'm definitely not going to participate.
What outfit is on your character at the beginning of this vid ? The all black robe looking chest piece
There's a version of seasonal characters in No Man's Sky in the way of Expeditions and I absolutely despise them. My heart sinks every time another Expedition drops. I generally wait till one of the NMS content creators posts a speed run to follow so I can get back to playing my main. lol I feel like a lot of the community feels the same way and to Hello Game's credit they've tried to address this sentiment to some degree (though rather poorly IMO) by allowing your main to store items in a locker to be used during the Expo and have the "new" expo character look like your main. I'm genuinely not trying to sound facetious, but I chuckled as I wrote that last bit, it's just silly to me. If this is the route Ubisoft takes with the Division, I likely won't continue playing. I'm not intending to sound all dramatic, but I just want to play my main though the story as it unfolds because that's what I enjoy. Cheers!
Soon as the season is over and you finally get to go back to your main… a new starts again 😂
Been thinking about this the last few days. Seasonal characters are only viable
- IF they give us at least 2 extra characters that you can use in season.
- AND IF the seasonal characters automatically turn into "normal" (fifth and sixth) characters with complete transfer at the end of the season.
After that it's up to you if you want to start anew every season from scratch or just keep 5 and 6 as mules.
It's just like Diablo 3. Played Diablo for 10+ years but was never a fan of seasons as it gets boring starting all over every 3 months.
i think it's going to work like a 5th hardcore slot would now. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if it's the same hard core code leveraged to enable seasons 2.0- that's the right kind of lazy that gets baked in up-front for a new feature. Recycling to reduce the timeline (but also stuck with the limations of past work).
So to me, it seems logical you won't be able to group or interact with the siloed off seasonal characters (again, just like Diablo), which has the 'benefit' of further rendering your main character irrelevant for 99% of the game (maybe a mastery mission for the 'intermission' period however long that might be). It will be dead in the eternal realm, so I hope you like soloing with last seasons' ''content' forever if you opt out. Yay.
That's a looooong comment of mine on another video, but pictures the big issues TD2 is facing right now and why Seasons 2.0 is a shoot in their heads.
A few points of my own opinion as a player that just reached the 2k-hour playing time mark and SHD 8.5k - worth reading, I promisse LOL:
- They simply ignore their own content instead of giving them replayability. I don't know any player that is currently playing Raids, Kenly college or Summit, to name a few. These are great content, but no one wants to play those
- I would easily trade new builds for something like character talents, like Descent, or even a tree to build up some specialization. This alone would add 1k hour more of playing content easily. This would also reduce the existence of meta builds and weapons
- The Division is an RPG-ish shooter game. Which means you grind your way up to achieve better stuff and become stronger. This being said, seasonal characters simply ditch ALL of the current content created for the game.
- The Division Heartland was THE game that could easily adapt to a seasonal content seen that it was supposed to be an extraction shooter
- Vets are making mules since Earth was created to just to acquire ressources and even to have more "fake stash space". Why TF they didn't use this to make new content to grind and replayability without the need to make mules?
- Again, why not update the CURRENT content and make them useful and replayable? Another exemple goes to helping new players or answering backup calls. Are we just doing it to have some nice wings icon with a number? Give us a reason to actually do it and enjoy it.
- Blaming content creators, it's like being a spoiled child crying for nothing. The blame here is to Ubisoft and Ubisoft alone, not any other ppl.
- TD doesn't have an official place where you can discuss opinions and give feedbacks, so Ubisoft can simply pretend they're doing stuff because they, somehow on a crystal ball, are hearing the community
I could keep it going for ever and ever, but it's all to say that Ubisoft has simply threw the game out of the window long ago. They don't really care or invest too much on this game. You can purchase the game for $10 not without a reason. No man's sky, for exemple, is out there for 8 years. It's still being sold for a fair price simply because it releases massive amount of content constantly. This gives them the money they need to keep investing in the game, and players, both vets and new, have a blast playing it. That's also a good exemple of a game that came from sh*t to something awesome.
Massive was doing everything ok until this dropped. They should play Phantasy Star Online and take their example. What they did for new players is that they could experience the full story with 300% Xp multiplier until they got to max lvl. When you reach max lvl, they gift you a set of maxed weapons and armor for you to tackle endgame.
What it took 4-5 months to build, you can do it in 1 or 2 weeks if you're diligent.
This way you don't alienate veterans and attract newcomers.
Last thing, if you think about it, removing difficulties and doing seasonal characters is them being lazy to avoid rebalancing (waste of resources in their language).
If that truly happens and can't progress with my character during seasons, I'll just play for the story's sake and drop the game until the next season. Newcomers might feel the same.
I just wish they'd say 'Ubishit took all of our developers for other games (That will of COURSE be 5 star. 🤣) and we need to make things easier for those that are left to work on it.' This is what's happening IMHO. They just don't have enough people to modify every part of the game with new season metrics. So, make a basic season template for every future season.
new player just reached level 300 striving to reach level 1000 only to start over. think they fail to realize how this would also effect new players
Over 8,000 hours, over SHD level 10,000, and I will drop this sh*t like a bad habit if they don’t make seasonal characters optional. I would say also forget me buying Division 3, but I wasn’t buying that anyway. I’m just sick to death of Yannick and Massive. Time invested and the overall sad state of gaming were already the only things keeping me in this game.
Well. We can play it or. Make your choice. For me, if it stays the same, it is time to find something to do.
This is excellent content, Tux well done! You manage to navigate, with great finesse, the highs and lows (mainly lows) whilst traversing the highly controversial announced addition of "seasonal characters" into D2. Your reitteration of your argument throughout (ie that contrary to the proposed view of D2 players not knowing enough about the changes coming in Seasons 2.0: when, in fact, they do) is not only convincing, but also commendable for how composed you remain throughout. Despite, of course, being so very invested in this game. Thank you for taking initiative in elavating the major concern(s) of the Division 2 community!
I’m honored.
I know our community is strong, but are we strong enough to come together and stand our ground to push massive to change their mind on the seasonal character decision? I mean, what do we have to do to push back on this? Do we leave negative reviews? Message massive in mass? Play the game, but avoid the seasonal content? We can talk about it on Facebook, RUclips, Twitter ect. But are we capable enough to come together and deliver push back on this topic, or just complain about it to no actual end on social media? I’m asking honestly. Are we going to show our dislike for the seasonal character concept, or just cry and whine about it while it just happens? I mean, it may just happen anyway, but should we just let it happen or make an attempt to push for a real change about something we love and play every single day? I don’t have the answer unfortunately. I would love to see something from us though. Anyway, hope everyone is having a great day.
I wrote out a ticket about the control point resetting bug on the ubisoft site... and along with that ticket I let them know that if they are going to implement the seasonal character idea that I would uninstall the 4 ubisoft games I have and never buy another one.. I have uninstalled and Im done with their company (loved the game, 1500 hours in at shd lvl 3400), as they have let us know that they dont give a rip about what the player base thinks or wants since they are doubling down on the seasonal character aspect.. They already had their minds made up about this when they released the tiny bit of info on it orginally and thats why they didnt give us any more info about it to start with.. They knew it was going to be unpopular and they didnt care.
One of the few, if only, bigger RUclipsrs that gets it. Division 3 could open with a seasonal character structure, but not a game with the established 6 year loot grind we've had here.
The developers are not listening to the player base. What players want is the NEW CONTENT to be played with their best gear and characters. Not sleight of hand with game play mechanics. Also, the player base is not divided. A majority do not like this seasonal character only nonsense. And even the ones who are positive about it recognize the complaints by those who are not happy as legitimate.
A few questions they said that warlords doesnt need to be a purchased expansion can I still jump to lvl 30 by going to NY then just go thru the season until 40 I mean you can still use your OP weapons from the main stash
As a Diablo player as well....I fully know what SeAsOnAl ChArAcTeRs mean. Although in Diablo there are different types of characters you can create (depending upon Diablo 2, 3, or 4 that you are playing)....Barbarian, Rogue, Wizard, Necromancer, Demon Hunter, Witch Doctor, monk, Crusader...you get the point. In Division...seasons characters just doesn't seem good....especially for a casual player.
Main characters grind to 40 is approximately 45 hours, seasonal characters 15 hours so no biggy, everything gets moved over to your main that you can use for the season ending missions on a whole new difficultly level, with a new character for the season they can taylor new elements into each season so everyone plays on a level playing field such as decent so its nothing were not used to (to add im a beta and day 1 player)
Descent isn’t popular because it is broken in so many ways. Med kits don’t pop half the time, exotic talents indicators disappear when you select from half the talent pool just to name a few
The bugs are not why Descent is not popular.
They are frustrating but far from being the top issue with the mode.
Lets be real it's not popular because the rewards (reconstructed caches) are too much work not hard just tedious, the xp is bad, and people dont like even more rng of what weapons/skills they'll get. Not because of bugs. I love descent though, always have loved rouge like games.
My bet is that they tied the season character to the story, not realising the backlash. I bet our main character becomes a Rogue Agent (end of season 6.1) and can't be used by the Division....hence the "requirement" for a seasonal character, who probably dies at the end of each manhunt.
They lost touch with the players. Most players love their builds. I personally do not want to start from scratch to compete a season just to get exotics that are dog shit.
I’m thinking that we do not have the correct understanding about seasonal characters. First, let’s remember the “why.” They say that they innovations the devs want to add break the game. Ok, they want a new seasonal character. But if they drop it into the same world as our main, the game still would break. This means that the seasonal character would have to only play in an isolated section of the game. Basically, a short duration content game running on the same engine, but with different elements, like maps, enemies, weapons, armor, talents, skills, everything. This new agent would be working to provide intel to our main character as they progress. That will allow the main character to do the final mission in the main game world. At the end of the season, we can “import” our seasonal character to the main game world, updating it with the main game world elements.
This is the only way to be able to not break the game. I believe this is how this will work, but we need the Devs to clarify, as even this is my speculation.
T.B. this will create issues for players who are leveling up the proficiency of their items. What about materials? If my first agent I capped will thr seasonal characters be gone or added?
No details yet on what is shared vs not across season toon.
Expect to err on the side of "not".
Momma I made it my man TB put me in a video lol
Ha. Great comment
I think seasons should be played with Anna and as rogues. Then when you play normal your under SHD status and ISSAC. And NPCs and storyline is different.
Also, here’s the thing I already have 4 characters now times that by 6 different accounts that’s 24 characters. We’re getting multiple seasons, so how many seasonal characters extra are we getting? Are they going to make you pay to keep any more seasonal characters after the first one? How is there enough servers now for everyone to get an extra characters with inventory?
Probably delete dead accounts inventory’s I noticed when I came back after 3 year a bunch of my gear disappeared
Like everyone else, I'm speculating here, but at the end of each season all theoot you have collected automatically transfers to your main character and tge season character will reset. You will only have 5 characters at most. 4 regular and a season.
My main concern is, will I have enough time to get to level 40 and complete the season with a level 1 character, that I only play solo with maybe 4 hours a day?
The control points automatically resetting is f*cked. But on Heroic with 4 directives, I farmed 15 control points and didn't recieve any exotic components. Farmed another 10 control points today and got the same results. I wonder if this is another sh*t sucking bug caused by the update.
It’s gotta be a bug because my invaded missions keep resetting. It’s insanely annoying man.
The game is severely bugged again. XP has decreased on some projects and activities too as it seems. I also heard that the new rifle gear set isn't functioning as it is supposed to.
and... what wasn't there ANY details on the Brooklyn DLC (the size, what it may include, etc...)?
If they made the re-roll optional, then everything would be fine.
I don't buy the 'balance' argument when they keep adding expertise and put all the long-term grinds and rebalance updates that got us here in the first place that they now want us to walk away from for no explicilty stated reason.
so that leaves us reading the tea leaves as they haven't expounded on the 'why are you doing this?' beyond some marketing pablum.
The most obvious interpretation is to increase the time you spend doing the same thing over and over again, which in turn is correlated with more money spent on MTX. So it's a way to farm noobs or people that dont mind starting over every 4months to experience 'new content'.
Anyone with a lot of investment with the end game up until this point, and all its attendent long-term grinds, is right to be pissed off at this pivot- it fundamentally disrespects the time investment of vets that have supported this game past season8 when they were ready to walk away forever.
100% agree, they're full of it. "Balance" from the same devs that buffed strikers to 11, and "balanced" the whole end game around that.
Seasonal characters were the primary reason for me quitting Diablo 4. I tried to get into it but absolutely COULD NOT. I believe this is a bad decision but hope it works.
What if instead of using the seasonal character for the whole season they integrate them,
Like have the seasonal character go and ‘scout’ out the area/mission first
Then you use your Main to complete the actual mission.
The better you scout the more info you have, that adds an additional layer to the story and meaningful game play - rather than abandoning your main.
The only reason they're switching it to this new model is because they're likely to use the same model in TD3. This is nothing more than a test. Kinda sad that they're doing it this late. Would've been fine at launch. Lot of ARPG's use this same model for seasons. You have to create a character each season in games like Diablo 4, Path of Exile, Last Epoch, etc to experience the seasonal aspects. Then you have all of your seasonal characters bumped to what's called an "Eternal Realm" or Standard Realm. This late into the game's life span, they should give you the option.
2.0 drops
*In game mission alert*
"Agent, we need you to go undercover for us. A fresh ID." "Are you willing?"
"Yes" ( Character progression is adjusted to the new seasons requirements. In this case, whatever the seasonal characters would start with)
(If Devs are cool, give a backpack trinket or something small to show you prestiged your main for that season.)
Everyone who invested thousands of hours is happy and you can just let the new/less attached players make new characters for each season.
Not sure why some sort of this isn't the standard for all seasonal games.
I think what's happening is Ubisoft is pressuring them to find a way to bring new players to the game so that they spend money on the game. Ubisoft is making much off of the six year players who have already spent what they're going to spend and are just playing the game for the grind, etc.
I would rather play HEARTLAND than the seasonal character. I am a Hardcore Mode only player... how would the seasonal character impact me and can it be a Hardcore one? Great vide BTW.
The division 2 is now free to play this could be reason as to why they are doing the whole seasonal characters
I'm not opposed to Seasonal characters. Narratively it's not going to make sense. My character has destroyed Razorback at the Airport, killed the True Sons commander at the Iron Works. But SHD 5000. 15 min/maxxed builds. 25 Expertise. I log in once every 2-3 weeks for Manhunt targets and I'm done. I have 0 faith in Massive being able to pull this off. The community is never happy. "Seasons are boring" well here's a change. "No not like that"
Thank you!! It seems like most of the top Div2 streamers are going along the lines of “it sounds like fun and I like it but we dont have enough info” while their fans basically point out the issues. You are one of the first CCs that actually seems to be highlighting the issues and siding (at least partially) with the “outrage” side.
And yeah as another solo player, I dont like that the only new content added for current/main characters is basically just “a higher difficult then heroic” that basically requires a well-oiled team”.
They are going to kill the fanbase and then no one will get Div3 cause they no longer trust the devs.
I love seasons but I come from arpg games and dont even think about my 'non season' characters. As much as I love my seasonal character, after the season is over i'll never touch it again, I'm in the new season. I don't know how that's going to sit with a game like Division. I think for new people like myself it will be great, but for long time players that are 100% invested into their 1 character it will kinda suck.
Edit: It seems to me like this is something they should have waited to do from the start of the Division 3.
Correct essence of the problem and dielectic.
New people-whatever
Vets- this blows
Here is what I know, I miss Morton. Better at communicating, better at listening. I don’t agree with seasonal characters ruining the game or experience. However, I agree with the comments specific to the devs. Start listening.
The best part of this game for me was leveling up getting stronger understanding the bills that is this game I've been playing it since it came out and I'm telling you that is what I thrive for to go from Level nothing all the way up to level 40 scaling that's what I like I have replayed the game a few times because I like it so much I'm not going to lie that's what makes or breaks a game for me the feeling you get getting stronger on your own unique bills and unique gear I just hope they spit out some unique gear and weapons for this seasonal character but I think this is a great idea
Locking the new content with the seasonal character is to force vets to play a SC, if they want the new content. The problem is ppl who play live service games, mostly play because all they have is their built character and load-outs, other than that we have Battle Royal, which gives no subtenants, like a (stash box.)