Revisiting the 2016 NHL Free Agent Class
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- A bit off the beaten path from the usual fare on this channel, but this is something I've wanted to analyze for some time now. Free agency comes with significant risk for the signing party: The player in question can either decline significantly, fail to mesh with the team, or just fall victim to bad luck. That part is always inevitable.
The one class I keep coming back to, however, is the NHL free agent group of 2016. What has surprised me is how many signings from this particular class backfired spectacularly for teams. Lots of money and term being thrown around (some foolishly) only for it to end up looking even worse in hindsight.
It's disturbing that I can say this less than three years after the fact. To see long-term issues crop up on this grand of a scale is relatively uncommon. Just look at how many signings were left available during the Vegas Expansion Draft. One year after signing these players, some teams were having regrets (or couldn't do anything because of no-movement clauses).
This video... may show you something. Maybe it won't. If it were up to the athletes, they'd rather be playing at peak level. But injuries, age and time have other plans, unfortunately.
I really like that disclaimer about not blaming the players, it's something that people forget too often.
Yes. if it was up to them, they'd never get injured
Yeah some of these guys don’t realize but a majority of these guys would rather be back in their primes than a boatload of cash
Why would anyone blame the players? It's the GM's signing the players to dumb contracts, not the players.
@@TheCandoRailfan It's more often unlucky injuries that hamper their careers. Look at the difference between Ryan Suter and Zack Parise. Both of them were signed to identical long-term contracts back in 2012 with the Wild. One of them has done well for the Wild, the other hasn't due to injuries. Tree touches on this in his video on the double acquisition. Basically, unless the players you're signing are gods like Ovechkin, don't make crazy long deals that involve no movement clauses for their entire tnure. If the Wild had given Parise and Suter 8 years instead of 13, they would be free of Parise's contract by now and could start truly rebuilding.
I know for me the only time I actually blame a player is if they just look like they've given up and called it quits
The Steven Stamkos deal has reached "OPTIMAL SUCCESS," the Lightning have won the Stanley Cup.
Edit: The Stamkos's signing has reached "SUPER OPTIMAL SUCCESS," the Lightning are back to back champions.
Yes but they did it completely without Stamkos. His only playoff game was game 3 of the Cup Final where he had less than 3 minutes of ice time
Ezra Sitt I am very aware of that. I'm referring to the fact that they needed to win a cup with Stamkos regardless of if he was on the ice or not.
@@armadillolover99 And this comment has aged awfully, lol.
@@armadillolover99 oof
And now he was in the last Cup
Tree NHL videos are the best!
they have been going downhill lately.
I feel his NHL stuff is his signature content.
stopdropandroll
How is it going downhill? Did you not see his first Hater's Guide? He predicted Chicago vs Montreal in the Stanley Cup Finals. They were both knocked out in the 1st Round. Better yet, his Congrats vids had no narration and were way too short. He's definitely improved from last time.
@@treymagathan847 what made tree great in his early days was his ability to determine and say unpopular opinions that were 100% factual. nowadays hes just saying what everyone is thinking. nothing special.
stopdropandroll
How? His first lolcow was literally just making fun of everything wrong with the Cleveland Browns, the epitome of "saying what everyone else is thinking". Second verse, same as the first with the Jacksonville Jaguars, San Francisco 49ers, Chicago Bears, and his Hater's Guide to the NFL Postseason (2016-2017). Even before he did sports full time, he made pretty much a lolcow vid on Venezuela, once more saying the things that everyone else was thinking. Even when he was the Fat Mann Judgeth 12 years ago, he made game reviews that almost went word for word with much better game reviewers of the same games such as "Dark Castle" for the Sega Genesis.
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Angry Video Game Nerd: m.ruclips.net/video/y4-7mWeY_Cs/видео.html
If that's not saying what everyone else is thinking, I don't know what is. He's been saying what everyone else is thinking since his RUclips career started. It's called having the ambition to make your voice heard. You think it, he says it. And that's the difference between him and you.
What has happened since...
Stamkos: 2 Stanley Cups. 'Nuff said.
Yandle: Bought out, went to PHI, set a new record for GP, then got unceremoniously scratched.
E. Staal: Traded to BUF then MTL, went to SCF, then went unsigned and went to the Olympics.
Marchessault: Yanked by VGK then played the best hockey of his life.
Radulov: Went to DAL then later had a Cup final appearance in 2020 somehow.
Grabner: UFA now
Russell: Still with EDM
Hamhuis: retired
C. Hutton: Went to BUF, ARI, then he went to the Leafs somehow.
Colborne: Retired???
Stempniak: retired
Weise: Traded back to MTL then now playing in Sweden.
McGinn: retired somehow
Martin: Back in NYI then was somehow protected by Lou before SEA expansions.
Bødker: Now in Switzerland and played in the Olympics.
Reimer: Traded to CAR, had a career renaissance, then now playing in SJS again.
Brouwer: retired
Demers: Went to Russia, played with Eric Staal in the Olympics, then God knows what happened to him now.
Backes: Traded to ANA and is now retired.
Nielsen: Since bought out and is playing in Germany (played with Bødker at the Olympics).
Eriksson: Traded to ARI along with all of Benning's other bad contracts in OEL trade.
Okposo: Had a career renaissance this season, so good on him. Garth Snow must be punching the air right now.
Ladd: Traded to ARI and playing with Eriksson.
Lucic: Traded to CGY and is still doing the same old tricks.
Updated version
Stammer another cup appearance
Yandle retired
Staal Florida
Marchy Vegas
Radulov KHL
Grabner retired?
Russell UFA
Hamuis retired
Hutton retired
Colborne ???
Martin Islanders
Boedker Swiss
Reimer SJS
Brouwer retired
Demers EDM
Backes retired
Neilson retired
Eriksson UFA
Ladd ARI
Lucic CGY
Okposo BUF
@@Dillpickle69420 Thanks.
So happy for Okposo. And now he’ll likely finish his career as the Sabres captain.
@@goodsoop420 Andddd he joins some of his old mates in FLA, as of today.
An honest to God hockey video!?! I'll take it.
He called it 🤣 big bob is now on the Florida panthers 😂
As a CBJ fan that made me laugh.
I miss Bob, but not that contract.
The Panthers won the Stanley Cup. Yes it is a massive contract but it’s all worth it now with the championship. Bobrovsky also had the postseason of his life the year before helping the Panthers get to the finals in 2023 when they lost to Vegas in 5 games.
Well, Lucic is now off the Oilers' back, so there's that
Looking at that trade, they absolutely fleeced the Flames too. James Neal might not be great but he's much better, and on a shorter and cheaper deal, than Lucic
Canyoutakeitallaway Well that didn’t age well lol
@@Canyoutakeitallaway as a flames fan, I questioned the sanity of this trade. Good god, it sucks.
@@Canyoutakeitallaway And here we are today, where Lucic has solidified himself as locker room and fan favorite in Calgary putting up decent numbers for a 3rd/4th liner while Neal has been bought out lmao
@@Risico16 Oh yeah this take ended poorly. Ken Holland might be making a huge mess in Edmonton too lmao
I just wanted to say thank you for bringing back NHL 2002 vibes by playing 'George the Goalie Pilot' in the background of your commentary.
NHL 2002 music was a nice touch
More hockey videos!!!
hell yea baby
A revisiting of past drafts/Free Agent/Trade Deadline from years past might actually be a neat idea!
I'm sad about Okposo, potential top 6 guy gets injured, but still works hard to become a solid depth player and then more head injuries just completely forcing him out. He was actually really good as a Sabre when healthy. Reminds me of Nathan Horton, etc.
Sebulba agreed, he also had that insane episode where his immune system reacted negatively towards the concussion medication they were giving him and he had brain swelling. Just terrible luck for the bloke, because he’s a fantastic player when he actually gets to play.
Every Blues fan complained about letting Backes/Brouwer go. No one is complaining now.
True. Especially with Binnington
And now we realize that not only letting go was beneficial, but got us a Cup! Bozak? Wouldn't be here producing solid efforts on the 3rd Line (Checking) every night. O'Reilly? Can't have him do that damage he did in Games 4,5,6 and 7 along with winning the Conn Smythe if they kept Backes. Speaking of him, wasn't he scratched in Games 6 and 7?? Hmmm.......
Sam Kohler Well Brouwer has an effect on playing a team that won the cup after he left except Chicago. Calgary is next
@@iron1349 the Pietrangelo contract in Vegas is looking like a dud so far
@@ChiefBlue4298 true, but Petro scored the goal that gave the Blues their first and only cup
What happened to AAF Sportsball Week 2?
Assume All's Fucked
Next week. Gonna be combined
IT MAY BE COMING
It’s probably coming tomorrow
Colonel Carbohydrate23. Say a prayer I want it
These 5+ year contracts that every single player seems to get these days is the problem. 5 years is a long time in the hockey world. Very few will ever be truly worth the contract for the entire duration.
Specially if the contract is big one. I get it when lets say Jets wanna sign Mark Scheifele for 6.1 per year for 8 years as its huge robbery, he should be worth over 10 per year by far. But when Milan Lucic gets 6 million for 7 years its just wrong. People should look more player age and think if he plays like this at age of 30, its very unlikely that he keeps playing like this at age of 35. Players who are under 25 getting big +5 contracts is fine imo, for older people its a issue.
RedWingFan1340 Mark Stone will be worth it IMHO. Two way beast who should age very well.
Optimal contract for a player just coming out of entry is 5-6 years no more. You do 8 and two contracts is already past their prime.
"Don't let him down again."
Ron Howard Narrator Voice: "They did."
I would love to see a whole video with that happening
Well now they didn't!...
And they barely even needed his help to get over the hump.
@@disneyfan8719 On the ice, no. But as Captain, his presence was very much needed off the ice.
They did it….AGAIN
I love how you add in old NHL game soundtracks for the background music. Those were the days :) 🛩 🍋
Awesome video Tree and thanks a lot for giving my Blues a shoutout. I know you might have felt like you had egg on your face from saying Pekka Rinne is too good a few years ago, but I honestly feel like I have a whole carton of eggs on my face from saying Tarasenko was overrated a few weeks ago. Dude's stepped up his game tenfold on both sides of the ice to be one of the best players in the league right now and I couldn't be happier.
On a side note, I really hope everything works out for Backes. While he never got us to the promised land, the guy was a hell of a leader for our team on and off the ice. Always worked his ass off every game and did a ton of great work here rescuing and helping to find homes for animals.
We care about the nhl
no we don't
@@905kar5 100%
@@905kar5 Hockey > Football
@@905kar5 then why the fuck are you here
Kayman234 L
You should do this for the NFL draft classes when rookie contracts expire
Petition for UrinatingTree to only make NHL videos
The only time I've ever backed a Hurricanes fan. 110% YES!
How about no
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No. He makes great NFL content and other sports as well. He doesn't need to limit himself to just NHL. You damn jerks. :P
HIs content Is to good to be wasted on just one sport even if that sport is the great sport of hockey.
Matt Martin has actually been super helpful to the islanders and gave them the physical boost they needed. So far so good with him back on the island.
2016's Free Agency class was weird.
It was all weird thanks to the NBA's open money for 2016 as well.
Crazy Luigi
The NBA is a whole different can of worms. Makes me want to puke that a guy like De'Andre Jordan can get $7.5M more than Conor McDavid. Think about that for a second.
@@treymagathan847 You think *that's* bad? Seriously?! Try looking up what guys like Solomon Hill and Omer Asik got in 2016 and come back to me! When compared to those guys, DeAndre Jordan almost sounds more reasonable by comparison.
@@crazyluigi6664 Mozgov and Deng would like to have a word too. Both got 4 years 64 million dollar deals. On the same team.
@@zaxx29 Oh yeah, I almost forgot about them and the L.A. Lakers' ploy at the time.
I love your vids!!! Too funny but yet also informative. The weird thing is some people absolutely love Lucic in Edmonton.
It is truly amazing how fucking inept Chiarelli was. Traded away Seguin in Boston, traded away Hall for Adam fucking Larsson, traded the picks that the Islanders used to get Beauvillier and Barzal for a consistent healthy scratch player that Vegas picked in the expansion draft, traded Eberle for Ryan Strome, signed an absolute financial anchor in Milan Lucic, traded away Caggiula for the guy that broke McDavid's collarbone (who was later released), signed Koskinen to a very bloated extension as a reward for a one month stretch, massively overpaid for Draisaitl (he's good but ffs he's not worth THAT AAV), massively overpaid Oscar Klefbom, traded Petry to the Habs for draft capital, who proceeded to blossom into a top pairing defenseman, and with the McDavid contract, has all but fucked up the Oilers' cap situation.
What's even worse? I probably missed some other bad apples along the way. It's that bad. Everyone should write off 2011 as a fluke. This man absolutely destroyed the Oilers. Even with the pieces they have in place, the Oilers have nowhere near the cap room to get pieces to help them, and Lucic will remain dead for years to come. Darnell Nurse will probably not resign, as will Nugent Hopkins. The Oilers will remain absolutely fucked in middling mediocrity at best. They will probably fail at tanking, since a team can only dip so low with guys like McDavid, Draisaitl, Nugent Hopkins and Nurse, but this team will need a serious stroke of luck to be serious playoff contenders. If fucking up a team was an art form, Chiarelli has all but painted the Mona Lisa.
Now Draisaitl has a Hart Trophy, an Art Ross Trophy, a Lindsay Award, a 50 goal season and multiple 100 point seasons under his belt. Is he still overpaid?
Well. The lightning won a cup
Well the Lightning won a cup, but Stamkos played one playoff game and logged 3 minutes of ice time. Though he did score a goal in the Cup Final
His name is engraved on the Cup (and some wacko wanted his name crossed out just because that ice time, I mean really).
At least his name was engraved and he still got to hoist the cup first.
who else was expecting "Days of Our steelers"?
Next Season.
In due time.
Lots of news surrounding the black and gold brigade. Bell doesn’t get tagged and AB is officially on the trading block
“People wanted a piece of that SWEET cherry pie”
Me: eating cherry pie
Uh....
I miss Daddy Backes in Boston. He didn’t do much, but he was such a lovable guy. Why are 4th line plugs always so lovable
Bring back hockey vids on the regular please
I enjoy this type of content. I never gave a seconf thought about the 2016 free agency moves once the next season came around. Good work
Just watched this now... "Father Time is undefeated".. apparently you've never heard of Joe Thornton or Zdeno Chara
As a Blues fan: thanks for the end of the video.
Yandle hadnt been with that rangers for years though. He was a deadline pickup from Arizona.
The 2016 free agent class has a plan they just need money
Just gotta have a little FAITH in these players!
Calgary: Oh man, Edmonton really screwed up with that Lucic contract! Imagine having a contract that bad!
Someone mentions James Neal
Immediately goes into foetal position
pw 9384 this aged well hahaha
I felt obligated to come back to this video after Stamkos left Tampa to go to Nashville as well as Marchessault going to Nashville too lol
Damn these names are a blast from the past
Waiting for Tree to rip my Rangers. Holik Bure Lindros Redden etc it’ll hurt to relive but it is a great lesson for everyone to learn
Sabres fan speaking, Okposo definitely had a lot of bad luck, his first season was very good, came with an all-star appearance, then the injuries started happening. While he was never really bad during those times he wasn’t great either, but again, injuries were a big contributor to that. Then when he finally started kicking the injuries, Ralph Krueger became head coach, and everyone, except Eichel and Reinhart, suffered offensively for it (Jeff Skinner was healthy scratched multiple times), then when Krueger was shown the door (FINALLY!), and Don Granato took over, everyone rebounded, including Okposo, he had a 21-goal season In Granato’s first year, had a 28-point season this previous season playing way less, and is now re-signed on a 1-year deal and still remains the captain. So while the signing didn’t exactly work out the way we were all hoping, Okposo is loved by the fans, he loves this team and city, and the good majority of people are happy that he’s still here
I know NOTHING about hockey, but still always enjoy these videos. Since there is no more NFL, I make due with these hickey vids.
Always a good day when I see NHL on this channel
Just realizing Tree predicted Boborvsky going to Florida
Hey Tree, for the contract snapshots you have on screen, can you please make them bigger so that it can be easier to see? I need a freaking magnifying glass to see it. Cheers and great job on the video.
Tree makes the best hockey videos on youtube
We still love you, Mikkel Boedker.
"The key is for the bolts to win the cup" well can cross that off the list
Matt Martin is beloved by many Islanders fans and he's also beloved in that locker room. Lou traded for him two days after John Tavares left for Toronto in July 2018. When the Islanders played their first pre-season game in September 2018 he got a huge standing ovation during the pre-game introductions. He also does great work for many communities on Long Island. Lou gave him another four year contract (worth six million) to stay with the Islanders. The 2023-24 season is the last year of it. When he does eventually retire from hockey he will be missed by the fans and in the locker room. I believe he lives on Long Island year round and he had his two daughters here.
So thankful UT is a hockey fan first.
I don’t care it’s about 2016, I’m just glad we have a hockey vid
Another guy you forgot to mention was Brett Connolly on the Capitals, dude was a literal afterthought and the caps took advantage and turned him into a solid 3rd line winger who averages 12 goals a year at a comfortable cap hit, and even though it was a trade Lars Eller, who turned into one of the best 3Cs in the NHL for the caps
Revisit NHL draft, specifically 2015 would be awesome. Thanks UT.
Love the hockey stories from Tree we need more!
This may be my favourite video on all of RUclips. Tight competition between this and FivePoints’ NHL Mascots video.
For real, big shout out to that disclaimer before the bad contracts too many people make the performance personal.
Please more hockey videos
This is a great concept I'd love to see more of. Hindsight mockery of bad FA signings
I sure am glad Matt Martin is back on the Isles
Never watched a game of NHL in my life. I'll watch anything Tree uploads tho
I've thought about it, but I dont get matches on my cable and most of the time the matches coincidence with a Libertadores match.
Weisin 96 new hockey fans may find regular season boring...but playoffs however..
You can watch from streams easily. Around gametime just google that game you wanna watch and hit livestream end of it like for example "Blackhawks vs Bruins livestream". That opens up tons of good different & also save streams. I have cable now so i don't need streams, but younger when i was a teenager i used to watch all games from streams & i never got any virus or anything like that in to my computer.
vipbox.live has pretty much every game live just use ad blocker
12:15 that’s me in the predator jersey 2 rows up behind the 3 guys in the Predator jerseys
Tree the nhl gods shows no mercy amen
I'm confused as shit but I'll appreciate sports talk that comes from Tree's mouth
I'm loving the Red Alert soundtrack in the background!
I will never understand how the most physical sport routinely dulls out ridiculously long contracts.
Because NHL execs are honestly kinda backwards thinking.
There needs to be a similar rule put in place like the nbas.
Because with everyone throwing these contracts at players, it makes the few that are smart enough not to, not even stand a chance at signing them.
And it also devalues your product with bums signed to such ridiculous contracts taking massive chunks of cap space from the teams they are on, thus it essentially takes away from the game itself and produces a lackluster skilled I wanna say product again but......Product.
You do your best videos when they relate to hockey. Keep up the good work
As a Bruins fan, thank you Tree for the jinx. Backes scored the game winner for the B's tonight in the shootout.
I fucking feel horrible for some reason, about the Islanders abandoning Okposo, he only knew the Islanders and wanted to stay, but that bastard Garth Snow wanted to save 500K
Steven Stamkos is a Stanley Cup Champion.
That NHL 2002 music is a well appreciated touch
Thanks for the blues nod at the end. Felt great to have recognition for once lol
Tree knows how to tickle our..... well..... with the old NHL soundtracks.
I really like the "this week in sports ball" videos for the AAF and NFL. Please do more for the AAF this season.
3:55 my Niece actually plays Youth Hockey with Anna Hamhuis; one of his daughters when he got traded back to Nashville (he was drafted by Nashville in 2001).
Am surprised Okposo is now getting a career renaissance.
The NHL 2002 soundtrack was a nice touch.
This would be an interesting series, like a year retrospective of free agencies past
Don't care if I know nothing about the NHL. If it's a Urinatingtree vid, I'm watching.
Father time is undefeated
Tom Brady *laughs in tree's face*
He's laughing even harder now
This type of video is pretty cool would love to see more for different sports and years!
I'm pretty sure half the people watching these vids don't even know what Hockey is lmao
we still love the vids tho
EDIT : As a Canadian i understand how important Hockey is, however DAMN Hockey fans get triggered af.
This is the most retarded comment I've ever seen on this channel.
Hockey > Football
Kayman234 Oh yeah, what even is football dingus
I don't even know how many players each hockey team can have
Y'all can't seem to take a joke lol
@Matthew C God, are you one of those people who believe Hockey is a religion???
Can't wait to see the 2019 version. That class has some better signings, but the flops were even worse than 2016. Bob at 10 mil per, Skinner at 9 mil per, Duchene at 8 mil per, Karlsson at 11.5 mil per, Hayes at 7 mil per, Stralman at 5.5 mil per, Trouba at 8 mil per, and that's just some of the REALLY bad ones off the top of my head.
karlsson just had a 100+ point season lmao
@@ericksheldon3870tbf before that 100 point season that deal was far and away one of the worst contracts we'd ever seen. And after the year he just had in PIT it's looking like that was more just a blip on the radar than him reaching a new echelon
Clicked off J Cole’s halftime performance to watch this
You should do other years too 👍👍👍
7:32 holy shit you called it
Would love to see this become a series... preferably looking at classes for the MLB just cause that’s my favorite sport
MORE. OF. THIS. I love shit like this. Please figure out a way to do more of it: look at draft classes, other FA years... whatever. I love this. Thank you Tree, thank you!
This is the off season that began the legend of Phil Kessel, back to back Stanley cup champion
I have never watched a single NHL game but I watched all of tree's Nhl videos
Nhl games are entertaining
The goal scoring has been its highest ever
as a kings fan i'm just glad we didn't resign lucic lmao have fun with that contract edmonton!
Do some revisiting nhl draft videos as well.
Using part of the NHL 2002 OST on your video? Now that's good music.
Go...Blues? Wins? Oh jeez, I don’t want to watch this team make the playoffs, win the first two rounds, then lose to Winnipeg or Nashville. Why can’t they start Allen every night and get the season over with? AND WHO IS JORDAN BINNINGTON?!
Boldinbran as a blues fan it hurt reading this because history says many things. If we tear into the playoffs losing maybe only 5/6 games to the end of the season and make it to the conference finals at least, this one might hurt the most in the past 20 years besides 2015/16
Well at least they can't have the ending you brought to us
Binnington coulda won Conn Smythe...if he hadn't had a few bad games (not all his fault), it was his to lose. Glad to see the Blues finally won the Cup. Nobody saw that coming!
Can’t wait for the NHL Trade Deadline video!
Urinating Tree video > unc vs duke
Love these vids
"lightning needs to win the cup" uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
That didn't work out too well lol
2020 comes a knocking and says are you sure about that?
As a Sabres fan, I gotta say that the Okposo signing would have worked if snake eyes weren't shown on LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE DICE ROLL. I hope he gets back to his normal level but he probably should go to LTIR. Health is something you don't mess with.
Michael Haley messed backes up last night 😂
Grabner was a beast, and then he took a stick to the eye.