@@andrewholmes5392 OP is right, the mathematical definition of exponential growth is a quantity whose derivative (growth rate) is proportional (i.e. a constant multiple of) to the quantity itself. If Claw's damage increase was proportional to the damage it delt, it would be exponential. As it stands, the damage increase grows linearly, and thus the damage itself will always grow quadratically at best. In fact, even if you added another layer and the *increase* of the *damage increase* went up by 1 each time (i.e. instead of each claw accelerating the damage increase by 1, it accelerated it by 1, 2, 3, 4...) thereby making damage follow the tetrahedral numbers, it STILL wouldn't be exponential since that's just a cubic function. TL;DR no matter how many layers you add, it's still a polynomial and is not exponential. In order to be exponential, it must grow by a scalar multiple of itself, for example: "Deal 1 damage. double the damage of all claws." which was OP's suggestion. Even something as subtle as: "Deal 1 damage. Increase the damage of all claws by 1% of this claw's damage." would be exponential as 1.01^(n-1) and eventually beat out any polynomial damage function (assuming you kept track of the decimals behind the scenes and rounded).
@@hiiistrex2838 The damage scaling is a triangular, so the nth claw deals is (n)(n+1)/2 which simplifies to (n^2)/2 + n/2 Edit: wait you're right because base is 1.
Was about to point this out lol But i guess you could at least say this is fourth order scaling. If you consider overall damage dealt as a function of claws played. I think that's correct?
This isn’t actually quadratic growth either. Quadratic growth would be if the damage increased by 1, then 3, then 5, and so on (odd numbers). But it increases by 1, then 2, then 3, etc, forming the sequence of 1,2,4,7, etc. This is sometimes called the Lazy Caterer’s Sequence (according to Google), but considering that I have a degree in Mathematics and I didn’t know that it was called that, I wouldn’t put it in the title of my video.
@@loudheart1607 The lazy caterers is a quadratic sequence, x = (n²+n+2)/2. The difference in increments doesn't need to be 2, it just needs to be constant
@@tehesprite502 "For ALL claws in your deck" is extremely misleading, particularly if you're thinking like a programmer. The word "for" in particular is unnecessary, remove it and the description becomes clearer already as to how it works.
"Playing League with the boys" sounds so fun to watch for once. Honestly, I miss you interacting with the guys. Darkmane, Yakko, Matt, really all the boys.
Not to be too pedantic, but neither of those are exactly the correct formula, nor are they the equivalent. 0.5n² - 0.5n + 2 would be assuming the base damage is 2 not 1, and 1+(n(n+1))/2 is modeling damaging for the n+1th claw, not the nth (i.e. indexed starting at 0) The damage for the Nth Claw follows the the triangle numbers + 1 but delayed one claw, as the the 1st Claw has no increase at all. Said another way, playing the first Claw simply begins the sequence, thus when you play Claw n, you set Claw n+1's damage to the nth triangular number + 1 base damage. Therefore the actual function is: 1+(n(n-1))/2
I'm a casual lurker in the background. I watch you because you talk a lot, and have a good mix of game knowledge and nonsense, so it stays an entertaining mix.
quadratic would be 1, 4, 9, 16 and so on. This is 1, 2, 4, 7, 11 which is the lazy caterer's sequence Until he plays 7 claws this mod nerfs claws. After 7 it it gets kind of silly compared to the normal version.
From one girly pop to another, You look great Claire! Thanks for doing the intro and introducing yourself (And so does August!) (Maybe you too Mr. Streamer) Thanks for cheering my days up all day and everyday!
On the topic of League, I still do the "WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT THE FU-" from your first Zilean clips video (Zilean so OP your mom is a mom??) as a vocal stim from time to time
I love ur collabs the most because u bounce so well off other people. Id love to see u play league or whatever else. but i understand that a lot of ur veiwership care about the game a bit as well, i just watch for ur vibes tbh. I think ur just hilarious as fuck and always bring good and interesting vibes
The overall damage of claws is already exponential. Total starts at 3, then goes to 8, then goes to 15, then goes to 24, then goes to 35, etc. It grows faster and faster.
It's not already exponential in the base game, and it also isn't exponential in this mod. Exponential doesn't just mean growing faster and faster. In the base game, the damage of each claw grows linearly, x(n) = 2n + 3 (i'm counting the first claw as n=0 because it'd be annoying to write n-1 everytime), and the sum of all claws, which is what you're describing, grows quadratically, x(n) = n² + 4n + 3 . In this mod, the damage of each individual claw grows quadratically, x(n) = [n² + n + 2] / 2 , and the sum grows cubically (I don't want to write that one). What defines this is the term with the higher exponent. For a series to have exponential growth the exponent must be increasing, such as in x(n) = 2^n (Deal 2 damage, double the damage for the rest of combat) . People say "exponentially" as a word for really quick growths in general because yeah, it does grow a lot faster than the other examples here. The 10th Claw in StS deals 21 damage(120 total), the 10th Claw in the mod deals 46 damage(175 total), and the 10th Claw in this exponential example deals 1024(2046 total).
Alright, Frost, we get it. You're in a thruple. You can stop paying random waitresses to come into your house and pretend to be your girlfriend now. I'm sure Claire is actually a lovely girl.
Now just combine this with the other claw mode, and with the boss swap into all claws, and life is good Also sudden Claire was unexpected, but also really funny
It is because of Rarran I found your RUclips channel. I keep watching your RUclips videos because of your silky-smooth voice. I would watch your Twitch content, but I don't. There really isn't a reason, I just don't watch stream content for anyone x-x
I watch you because you're funny AND great at the game. I also watch plenty of people who are just great at what they're doing, and I usually don't watch people who are just funny while sucking at what they're doing, unless it's a collab. Incompetence should not be ignored or worse, praised.
Frost unfortunately you're reading the card wrong. It's not "Increase damage and number of increase by X, where X = amount of Claws" It is "Increase Damage by 1 and Amount of Damage increased by 1, this scaling applies to all cards named Claw" If it scaled the way you interpreted it, they would scale IMMENSELY faster. The math confuses me because it would have to do with how it would be coded and an order of operations thing, it could technically scale in more than one way depending on how it is coded.
I watch because you're chill, I like the games you play, you're queer/trans supportive, I'm fairly confident you don't have shit politics given stuff you've said, and you have a fun stage personality. That said, I also only watch on youtube so maybe I mostly watch because Andrew is a fantastic editor.
You know it’s true about it being legally required for us to watch you, I had to sign a document and show my youtube history to get my hormones this month
I legit thought that Claire was August and I just hadn’t seen her in so long that she’d changed her style radically enough I didn’t recognize her.
if it wasnt for august standing in shot too i probably wouldnt have caught it was claire (despite her saying her name)
I thought it was frost with a filter lmao
Who are they? What relation to the Frostmin?
i went “frost transitioned?” before i realized
@@Eidenhoek Um, I think (keyword think complete speculation) that they're the third person to Frost and August's relationship group
The scam in this run isn't that it's the wrong mod, it's actually that that's definitely not exponential growth
Yeah but not everyone knows what a quadratic function is
What function would you need to replicate the scaling as the card shows?
@@andrewholmes5392 it's quadratic. Specifically it's (x^2)/2 - x/2 + 1
Exponential would say "double the increase" or something similar
@@andrewholmes5392 OP is right, the mathematical definition of exponential growth is a quantity whose derivative (growth rate) is proportional (i.e. a constant multiple of) to the quantity itself. If Claw's damage increase was proportional to the damage it delt, it would be exponential. As it stands, the damage increase grows linearly, and thus the damage itself will always grow quadratically at best.
In fact, even if you added another layer and the *increase* of the *damage increase* went up by 1 each time (i.e. instead of each claw accelerating the damage increase by 1, it accelerated it by 1, 2, 3, 4...) thereby making damage follow the tetrahedral numbers, it STILL wouldn't be exponential since that's just a cubic function. TL;DR no matter how many layers you add, it's still a polynomial and is not exponential. In order to be exponential, it must grow by a scalar multiple of itself, for example: "Deal 1 damage. double the damage of all claws." which was OP's suggestion.
Even something as subtle as: "Deal 1 damage. Increase the damage of all claws by 1% of this claw's damage." would be exponential as 1.01^(n-1) and eventually beat out any polynomial damage function (assuming you kept track of the decimals behind the scenes and rounded).
@@hiiistrex2838 The damage scaling is a triangular, so the nth claw deals is (n)(n+1)/2 which simplifies to (n^2)/2 + n/2
Edit: wait you're right because base is 1.
Frost is slaying more than the spire lately
Shout out to the other math homies who are calling out the lack if quadratic representation in this run
Was about to point this out lol
But i guess you could at least say this is fourth order scaling. If you consider overall damage dealt as a function of claws played. I think that's correct?
Real ones know
I’d recognize successive triangular numbers anywhere ❤️
(Offset by the claw’s base damage)
Yeah, I was hoping it would say "double", but nope, no proportional growth 😞
Lies in the title? In my frost prime content? What a tragedy!
This isnt exponential growth! Thats just quadratic growth! Shame!
I can understand why the title's not "What If Claws Scaled QUADRATICALLY?!" though.
It's not a lie, it is but a wonder, since this mod did not answer the question
This isn’t actually quadratic growth either. Quadratic growth would be if the damage increased by 1, then 3, then 5, and so on (odd numbers). But it increases by 1, then 2, then 3, etc, forming the sequence of 1,2,4,7, etc. This is sometimes called the Lazy Caterer’s Sequence (according to Google), but considering that I have a degree in Mathematics and I didn’t know that it was called that, I wouldn’t put it in the title of my video.
@@loudheart1607 The lazy caterers is a quadratic sequence, x = (n²+n+2)/2. The difference in increments doesn't need to be 2, it just needs to be constant
@@minminsjam If it has Claw in the title, the rest really doesn't matter
Hi Claire! Welcome to the club. I hope everyone at the Landlord's house had a lovely 4th.
Also, love the idea of Rarran Co op games.
Claw Claire Jumpscare
Just to point it out, the increase does not scale by the number of claws but increases by one each time a claw is played
yeah...
It's not even misleading text, it says exactly what it does, Frost just had a different idea of how it works and can't read the difference.
@@tehesprite502 "For ALL claws in your deck" is extremely misleading, particularly if you're thinking like a programmer. The word "for" in particular is unnecessary, remove it and the description becomes clearer already as to how it works.
@@Fexghadi "for" is necessary to make sure the increasing increase is consistent between all claws.
Yea the tekst is misleading becausr itvalso says deal 1 d for evry claw im deck but that part does nit work
"Playing League with the boys" sounds so fun to watch for once. Honestly, I miss you interacting with the guys. Darkmane, Yakko, Matt, really all the boys.
For those wondering, the formula for how much damage the Nth claw will do is 0.5N² - 0.5N + 2, meaning the scaling is actually quadratic
Alternative formula: 1+(n(n+1))/2
(It’s the triangular numbers, plus 1)
@@ethanlarge3572 holy crap thank you so much, I've been trying to remember how to figure this out for literal hours XD
Not to be too pedantic, but neither of those are exactly the correct formula, nor are they the equivalent. 0.5n² - 0.5n + 2 would be assuming the base damage is 2 not 1, and 1+(n(n+1))/2 is modeling damaging for the n+1th claw, not the nth (i.e. indexed starting at 0)
The damage for the Nth Claw follows the the triangle numbers + 1 but delayed one claw, as the the 1st Claw has no increase at all. Said another way, playing the first Claw simply begins the sequence, thus when you play Claw n, you set Claw n+1's damage to the nth triangular number + 1 base damage.
Therefore the actual function is: 1+(n(n-1))/2
I'm a casual lurker in the background. I watch you because you talk a lot, and have a good mix of game knowledge and nonsense, so it stays an entertaining mix.
i really really really love when you talk about the enemies possible intents during a dome run!!! thank you!!
Claire content??? Hello?? The Frost-verse expands
Who is claire?
@@DerHades99the girl next door. she's really cool and awesome and hot.
So glad when you put cards/relics zoomed in on the side for us!
Isn't this a quadratic increase?
quadratic would be 1, 4, 9, 16 and so on. This is 1, 2, 4, 7, 11 which is the lazy caterer's sequence
Until he plays 7 claws this mod nerfs claws. After 7 it it gets kind of silly compared to the normal version.
@@gregoron1 that is a quadratic sequence.
s = (n^2 + n + 2)/2
note the highest order term is n^2
@@gregoron1 the lazy caterer sequence has quadratic growth
It's triangular numbers. 1, 3, 6, 10, 15, etc. Named after Pascal's triangle
The guy is right, it is caterers sequence, pretty smart to find it.
The thing has a quadratic polynomial because it's a choose 2 permutation.
CLA(IRE)W
Bit of a stretch but I'll give it to you
CLA(IRE)/(W)
From one girly pop to another, You look great Claire! Thanks for doing the intro and introducing yourself (And so does August!) (Maybe you too Mr. Streamer) Thanks for cheering my days up all day and everyday!
i think u forgot to selete half this comment
CLAW IS LAW
Frost should shave more often, he looks great in the intro
Unmatched intro
I wonder how well the Fibbo-claw-ci sequence would go, each claw adding its damage to the next one you play
The way Frost called out moves ahead of time with the dome was so impressive. Wish I could do that lol
so here for the awkward thruple energy of you and August off to the side :D
Best intro ever
As someone who lurks, I do in fact watch your content for you.
Finally someone new making the intros, the last guy was starting to get repeatative and boring. Also; CLAW CLAW CLAW.
Hmmm. I'm not sure why, but I'm getting this weird.. metallic taste in my mouth. Kinda reminds me of blood. What's that metal that's in blood again?
Errrrrm ackshully 🤓☝️ Tristan these Claws scale polynomially not exponentially
On the topic of League, I still do the "WHAT ARE YOU DOING? WHAT THE FU-" from your first Zilean clips video (Zilean so OP your mom is a mom??) as a vocal stim from time to time
6:37 "good opportunity to save 15 hp"(actually saves only 3 hp because of Bone)
A new intro speaker has entered the ring!
I love ur collabs the most because u bounce so well off other people. Id love to see u play league or whatever else. but i understand that a lot of ur veiwership care about the game a bit as well, i just watch for ur vibes tbh. I think ur just hilarious as fuck and always bring good and interesting vibes
AHHHHHHHHH THERE'S A WOMAN
Claw calculation- 1 damage+ (1+# of claws)times (number of claws played this combat)
he could’ve had all three bottles 😭
Finally, a cure for our claw withdrawal!
Honestly, I think this claw mod is how claws should upgrade.
This intro is peak
FUCK YEAH. MORE CLAIRE
The overall damage of claws is already exponential. Total starts at 3, then goes to 8, then goes to 15, then goes to 24, then goes to 35, etc. It grows faster and faster.
Each step of an exponential multiplies itself. +5, +7, +9, +11 adds 2 each step but doesn't multiply. An exponential might go +5, +10, +20, +40
It's not already exponential in the base game, and it also isn't exponential in this mod. Exponential doesn't just mean growing faster and faster. In the base game, the damage of each claw grows linearly, x(n) = 2n + 3 (i'm counting the first claw as n=0 because it'd be annoying to write n-1 everytime), and the sum of all claws, which is what you're describing, grows quadratically, x(n) = n² + 4n + 3 . In this mod, the damage of each individual claw grows quadratically, x(n) = [n² + n + 2] / 2 , and the sum grows cubically (I don't want to write that one). What defines this is the term with the higher exponent. For a series to have exponential growth the exponent must be increasing, such as in x(n) = 2^n (Deal 2 damage, double the damage for the rest of combat) . People say "exponentially" as a word for really quick growths in general because yeah, it does grow a lot faster than the other examples here. The 10th Claw in StS deals 21 damage(120 total), the 10th Claw in the mod deals 46 damage(175 total), and the 10th Claw in this exponential example deals 1024(2046 total).
29:35 I can confirm. I only watch you for slay the spire.
The Rarran league challenge seems nice ngl
Clawre video pog clawre video pog.
Claire? Maybe Clawre?
i Watch you because you're fun and i love how you play sts
and peglin poglin that i miss very much
Here for the yap, stay for the clap
That 1hp Act 2 was crazy HO LY
Thank you, our favorite creampie queen ❤
Name of this video should've been "Not even close" xD
Wow Claire is so cool I'm sure this video will be 1 of 10 in your rankings because of that absolutely insanely talented intro
the guy so advanced on time... he's FROST in it... (i survive with 1hp)
wow! claws!
Uhm actually Mr. Prime this is a quadratic sequence (successive triangular numbers offset by 1), not exponential xdddd
I thought the girl was Frost at first because their faces are similar
Kinda like a downs girl frost
22:00 i hate arena with a burning passion im glad to finally see someone somewhat agree 😩
Ahhh, what, good for you man, happy you have the girl next door come over
Ok but consider... A card that scales exponentially, But _Only for one turn._
Are those Frost's cool weed smoking girlfriends?????
Alright, Frost, we get it. You're in a thruple. You can stop paying random waitresses to come into your house and pretend to be your girlfriend now. I'm sure Claire is actually a lovely girl.
I just woke up, why is everyone ginger
Guys, I heard the name on some videos, but I still don't know, who is Claire?
Now just combine this with the other claw mode, and with the boss swap into all claws, and life is good
Also sudden Claire was unexpected, but also really funny
It is because of Rarran I found your RUclips channel. I keep watching your RUclips videos because of your silky-smooth voice.
I would watch your Twitch content, but I don't. There really isn't a reason, I just don't watch stream content for anyone x-x
hi Claire, welcome to the madness
also claw is law and Frost is cute
Are those the girls who call him a comm machine?
i would love the occasional league video
claire claw is claire law
CLAIRE JUMPSCARE
Jumpscaire
PREPARE TO BATTLE
ATTACK ROCKS
NO EVIDENCE
I watch you because you're funny AND great at the game. I also watch plenty of people who are just great at what they're doing, and I usually don't watch people who are just funny while sucking at what they're doing, unless it's a collab. Incompetence should not be ignored or worse, praised.
Frost unfortunately you're reading the card wrong. It's not "Increase damage and number of increase by X, where X = amount of Claws" It is "Increase Damage by 1 and Amount of Damage increased by 1, this scaling applies to all cards named Claw"
If it scaled the way you interpreted it, they would scale IMMENSELY faster. The math confuses me because it would have to do with how it would be coded and an order of operations thing, it could technically scale in more than one way depending on how it is coded.
Could ClairePrime replace Frost?
we can only hope
i hope you play the pvp mod with sir rarran in the future
that mod was really fun to watch
Correct me if I’m wrong but did frost not scam on a claw run “fell” into a broken crown
I'm embarrassed to admit that I just realised that Centennial is a Yu-Gi-Oh reference.
Never be embarrassed to learn, I mean lol nerd
Claire is so pretty
CLAW GANG CLAW GANG
Claw claw claw claw
it did come out right now
WELL ACTUALLY this is not exponential, but quadratic scaling
Claire look awesome and sounds awesome. She seems like an awesome person to hang out with
Thats quadratic, not exponential. Exponential would be - each next claw is 1.2x times more than the last one
it was so nice of you to introduce claire, your granddaughter, to all of us!
i love claire have her do more intros that was funny
also much love frost have a happy (for me) saturday
no way its creampie claw queen claire
What if claw scaled all your 0 cost attacks
Claw is becoming a Religion.
I watch because you're chill, I like the games you play, you're queer/trans supportive, I'm fairly confident you don't have shit politics given stuff you've said, and you have a fun stage personality. That said, I also only watch on youtube so maybe I mostly watch because Andrew is a fantastic editor.
Any chance of a link to the mod? There's a few claw ones on workshop
cool intro
Is this why you found Claire?
You know it’s true about it being legally required for us to watch you, I had to sign a document and show my youtube history to get my hormones this month
Always a good day when Frost Prime uploads a Slay The Spire video
Why would you buff the most overpowered card
cLAW
cute girl and great game play frost stepping up in the world lmao
snip rizz
Clawpocalypse...
this is in fact not exponential scaling. it's quadratic scaling
ok it been a minute who is August?
one of his girlfriends :)
First partner changed her name to august
Congrats on your recent pardon.