What Does Gateway Need? - IndyCar Talk
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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this needs to be a night race, with an 8pm or 9pm start
9 pm is too late. I would like a 7 pm start. 6 pm start was way too close to the Xfinity series finish.
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld It was supposed to be 6:30 originally
It's hard enough tuning in at 11pm (6 ET) in the UK, don't make me stay up that late! 😴 (but I get I'm not at the front of the queue to ask)
@@Einveldi Agreed! Even 1hr later here in Sweden, so a 8 pm start would mean 3 am in Stockholm. That said, I love night races...
Too late. Weather was fine this year.
I though the Race was pretty good it would’ve been better as a full Night Race.
The last 40 or 50 laps were great but it was kinda of a parade during the Day time.
It was Decent.
Definitely needs to be a night race. It’s to damn hot this time of year for anybody wanting to sit in aluminum grandstands and bake in the sun for a midday race. Besides, Indycars look cool under the lights. As for the finale? I’ll say it again, the US 500 at Michigan with double points (why double points? Cuz its a 500 miler and basically twice the distance of every other race). Do what Hy-Vee did the with the Iowa races with the concerts. I love road courses, but I think a superspeedway race as the finale would be far more entertaining.
Need September and October races. Used to have them.. The split is what hurt them with all of those IRL dud races. I remember the Vancouver street race, the Houston race, and Fontana. Fontana at the start was a successful race. Yeah, give us a late August Michigan US 500. Fix the walls at Pocono and go back there. Go back to Milwaukee. Start out the season in Miami. Let's see 20 to 22 races. There are too many gaps in the season.
@@hickoryhound Definitely, make the seasons like they used to be. More races means more fans attending which in turn means more revenue. More sponsors can also get involved to sponsor each of the events helping with revenue.
As for double points, then yes it needs to be. Having only Indy with double points can make or break where someone sits in the championship. Ericsson won and that is the main reason he is still in the hunt, McLaughlin had a bad result from crashing out and came away with 70 + points less then the other contenders and yet is still in with a chance. Having a second race worth double points will make it more interesting and can even out a bad result at Indy but also mean more drivers have a chance of winning at the end of the season. Instead of the current 6 having a realistic shot at the championship it can extend down to 10-12 drivers having a chance.
@@davidius74 Instead of having the Indianapolis 500 race be double points, they should award race points according to qualifying position and then single points for the race.
@@davidius74 Also if you are going to have double points races then have Long Beach be one and have Elkhart Lake be one. The best street race and the best road race.
What’s funny it was low 80’s in St. Louis during the day so it was a beauty of a day. Just a threat of bad storms, and you kill the walk up, or fans that we’re gonna show up.
I guess it's because I'm a newer fan, but I thought it was a good race. Maybe I'm used to F1 where passing is so hard. Either way, looking forward to the next race!
IndyCar continues to be some of the best top series racing anywhere. Constant focus on the racing is key here. Fans go to events to see better drivers and cars prevail over lesser competitors, to see strategy help drivers get into position to make something happen behind the wheel, and to see good battles throughout the field. IndyCar delivers on these goals more often than not. The heat and humidity can be absolutely punishing in mid August around St Louis. A night race makes sense.
This race needs to start around 7pm Central, Sunset last night was 7:47 local time. I would love to have a twight to dark race.
This was my first short track Indy race and I LOVED it!! Loved the facilities and seeing the entire thing. Coolest part was the lights at night so def need to push the start back a couple hours!
St. Louis in August is hot. If they are going to run the race in August, it needs to be a night race. It was on USA, so NBC not wanting to do races in prime time wasn't an issue.
Perhaps, I've missed it, but has something happened to California Speedway? Is is no longer in business, or did it burn down in the California wildfires?
@@jamesboardman8859 California Speedway is still there. NASCAR is considering tearing it down and building a short track on the site. If that happens, it is possible that the new track would be unsuitable for IndyCar to ever return.
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Gotcha, Thank you. When David said that Fontana was off the table as the IRL's season ending event, I couldn't figure out why.
This indycar championship battle is awesome to watch. Excited for Portland and Laguna Seca to see how this all plays out.
Nashville would be great from a sponsor perspective. Either the speedway or the street course could make a compelling story.
I think running this race in cooler conditions is best. Either run it as a Summer Night Classic or run it in the Spring or Fall during the day.
Night race. Always. Same with Iowa!
I will also agree about it needing to be a night race. 8pm start. Probably will finish around 10:30. Oval racing at night is just plain awesome. Come on IndyCar make it happen! You have a great track supporter at Gateway and the fans will come.
I definitely think Laguna Seca needs to be the finale. That track gives us what we want: tire wear, overtaking, elevation, nothing but sand runoffs
Yuck
Gateway sold more tickets then people showed up. The rain killed the attendance. At least Gateway made a lot of money from ticket sales. Also, I went to Gateway race in person and loved the event. I liked it more then the 2019 Pocono race I attended. If things line up next year, I will go to the race again.
I know the TV product was bad but watching the race in person more then made up for the lack of passing.
It was my wife and I 1st race in person and we are already talking about going again next year.
Championship was at Long Beach last year. It checks all the boxes. Crowd, prestige, decent show.
I was at the race, my first time at Gateway, and I loved it!
As much as I love Portland & Laguna Seca toward the end of the season, I want Homestead to have a night race as the finale.
And you’d have no one there. Homestead Drew flys
my wife and i were there Saturday from KC...i liked the earlier start and if not for the rain we would have been back home before midnight...as it was we got in this morning at 2:20...we are in our mid 60s so traveling late at night is a bit unnerving for my wife, a former KCPD Detective i might add...talking about the 500 on the way home...great race!!!!
Thanks for not spoiling the winner in your thumbnail, highly appreciated
This year was really very good.
You want to know what would fix Gateway the previous 5 years?
Tires. The surface of Gateway is so gentle on tires that there are times where there's no difference between the pace of the leader and the car in last, meaning you have no lapped traffic.
Firestone hasn't made a tire that degrades enough over a stint. It was other cars fuel-saving that allowed Josef to take them on the restart, not fresher tires.
Congrats to Joef and Team Penske on the win. Also congrats to Malukas on your awesome run today. What Does Gateway Need? It's summer time and it's hot as hell please more night races...If race tracks have lights use them.
Gateway should always be a night race and I think there would be more passing with a low down force package especially on these smaller ovals
If Indycar wants more fans in the seats don't schedule it when the St Louis Cardinals are playing at home, especially when their in first place.
The Cardinals weren’t in town. They were in Arizona.
@@Zwooder_editz111 Yeah, got that wrong. I looked and thought they were at home. I was at the race in 2000 when the Cubs were in town, Sosa and McGuire and their race to the home run record. Not many at the track that year.
Well first off it’s they’re* , and second the cardinals were on the road in arizona
Always one in the groupe......
Three point gap between Power and Newgarden
this really shocks me. 7 DRIVERS StIll mathematically eligible for the championship with 2 RACES LEFT! What a season!
Kansas should be the final race of the season. A bonkers speedway race, on a track that has ALWAYS been good, on a September Saturday night
Need to be a night race here. Was looking out for you David! Thanks for the coverage!
I only watched the final 43 laps because I was busy most of the day and I enjoyed what I saw. Malukas was impressive
Thanks for the coverage. 80K. Congratulations
I think Long Beach would be a great season finale, went there last year, the crowd showed up. It was a decent race.
I said the same.
No D n K, we want longer videos, harder work, farther trips...just kiddin', all is well. Thanks for sharing your passion with us!
Making this a legit night race fixes a lot of problems. The weather/track is cooler and the grip is much better.
Michigan 500 miles ends the season!
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We need more ovals, and more night races. Period. Move Gateway to a full night race. Add night races at Milwaukee, Homestead, and Chicagoland. Scrap the dogshit that currently is Nashville and go back to the Superspeedway. Bring back the Michigan 500, and to balance all those ovals, add the Glen and Sebring.
Sebring I dunno about, Watkins Glenn was fun, but yeah, bring the damn ovals back. Hard to support them if you don’t have them.
David, the question should be what does Indy Car Need??? I've personally attended 25 Indy 500 and 7 US F1 GP. The difference is the quality of driver marketing. In the month of May, the news is all about the drivers who run fast. The rest of the year all you hear about are car owners and car sponsors.....not the drivers. Fans remember the names AJ Foyte, Mario, RJ, Unser bros or "where I was when Michael ran out of gas" and "did you see Danny spin and win?". No one asked did you see that Penski driver spin and win? NO!!!! This is when Indy Car had heros. I'd bet good money that over half the fans who attended last night's race only knew the names of the drivers by reading a program. So.....fans want to follow "Drivers" NOT CAR OWNERS OR SPONSORS. Indy Car needs to get these drivers in front of the camera for in depth stories about their background in racing, allowing the fans to really get to know them. THEN THE FANS WILL COME TO THE RACE AND NOT STAY AT HOME WATCHING ON TV. Any hoo, good luck to Indy Car, currently has the finest all around drivers in the world that Indy Car is keeping a secret.
Finale should be Michigan, and yes to pack racing.
Bring back the Hanford Device
You don't decide a championship at a race you don't control your own destiny. Pack racing is controlled chaos at its best and unnecessarily dangerous for drivers and fans at its worse.
@@anubiam3004 bull. This nonsense argument was bull when people made it in the late 90: for the IRL and still is today. The big ovals and pack racing are no more dangerous than the right hard to pass close corner crap street races
Move the "Bay area" race to spring, move Portland back a week or two, end the season on Labor Day weekend at COTA.
Yeah Boy... Ya right... McLaughlin.. Dudes good everywhere.. He's got that dog in him... @ 13:43
This Saturday race messed me up. Missed almost all of it.
Why not homestead afternoon OR under the lights for the championship race? Especially with the recent f1 race, more people might be willing to come out and watch it. Sponsors will be able to enjoy themselves in the city, Miami would be easy to promote as long as they make it an event worth going to, like Iowa this year.
Completely agree, this race needs a 7 PM to 10 PM Eastern or 8 PM to 11 PM Eastern television window weather small pre-race and green flag around seven or 830
Texas at night had good crowds when was the championship race
Take the j1 off the track, bring a better tire and promote the hell out of it and you’ll get 80k again
Enjoyed the race in person this year!
Say what you will about this one but I've seen 2 races for the 1st time in person this year, Alabama and this one, and it's a great experience for me as an indycar fan off and on since the late 80s.
Thanks for your coverage....
David and Kyle thank you for video. Good race, attendance disappointing.
This race was Good crowd be more it rain and stayed Good to see the last laps.
They should use Ontario Motor Speedway as the finale!
Then go to Riverside afterwards! xD
It’s too close to Laguna Seca, cause I just learned its close to Laguna Beach
Texas World Speedway
@Frances Dawson, I'd really like OMS but I can't find it on my GPS. (How about Eldora?)
Start at 8:15 eastern and maybe rubber up the top more before the race in a warmup or something like that
As someone who lives close to Gateway I will go if it is a night race. August in the St. Louis Metro (especially in the Metro East bottoms) is humid and hot as hell but summer nights here are very pleasant. Given that Indycar has very few night races as it is, night here is non-negotiable. Also note the racing was much better after the rain.
So much better as a SATURDAY NIGHT SHOOT OUT. I’d say for me personally a 7pm green flag so it doesn’t end up being too late.
Ticket wise i think WWTR was saying they sold a lot more this year than last. I think a lot of fans looked at the weather and decided not to come, like you guys did before committing
can you mess with Long beach's schedule? That is always an event with great atomosphere, great crowds, if feels ike the number 2 Indycar race behind only the 500. Imagine that show as the last race? but is it's spot on the schedule too holden to tradition.
I feel like it could be between Kentucky, Michigan, or Homestead. Kentucky because it feels like a bigger Iowa, Homestead because of its past if season finale races, and Michigan because of potentially bringing back Triple Crown and 220mph Chess Game
Best idea so far!
There has to be a lot for everyone to agree on in order to have a championship finale. Homestead did host it for indycar in the 2010s, so that's something to consider.
I wish the championship race would stay in long beach. It's a big event
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What gateway needs to do is lower the ticket prices a tad cheaper and make the website easier to use. $100+ for a single ticket when Mid Ohio is $55 is ridiculous, especially when mid Ohio as indy light, and the super trucks present
Wow, that’s something to consider for sure. Got Texas Motor Speedway on sale during Black Friday sales for $25 a seat, and that was for a two race double header the year before last. And, I heard the Indy 500 is as low as $45 a seat.
@@marty0063 the issue with indy is parking. You'll pay $60 for a good seat and the $400 for parking
They had Indy lights there too
I know I'm late tothis discussion, but I really liked the atmospheres of the 2020 finale at St Pete and the 21 finale at Long Beach. I would love to see a street course be the finale race again in the future. Though the optimal perfect world answer an oval like Nashville SS, Michigan, or Chicagoland.
They should do the Charlotte roval during the day and the oval at night as the finale lol
I’ll go to gateway I promise, I planned on going this year but I forgot to keep my job.
Championship race needs to be at either a short track or a momentum track. But I do think the leadup to the champ race is just as important if not more
So, wild idea.. Homestead, is that a possibility for a final race? Warm in Miami, nice for sponsors, it's an oval, could be exciting!?
And like in the last, would have zero fans in the stands
@@Ericb1980 well, if you make an event like Iowa did and not just a another race, then people will show up.
@@danielgustafsson7291 been tried.
@@Ericb1980 Yeah you are right, just because someone tried once years ago, then no one can do it, ever.
Thank you for saying this, David. The racing was underwhelming for the most part. I was so excited for this race and if it weren't for the threat of rain, there would have been very little to validate that initial excitement.
I tuned out during the red flag. I didn't think the race would resume. Doh! I agree St. Louis should be a night race.
You're right, once they started racing it was good. Unfortunately they spend 75% of races messing around with fuel mileage. It gets EXTREMELY old.
When they all did their excessive fuel saving I asked myself: Why doesn't even one driver just takes the chance and drives all around them in full rich mode and laps the whole field? I don't get it. Is the advantage of that so little? I mean you'd need one pit stop extra. But you would've gained 1 lap per stint and that should be enough over two stints. And it would've been a lot of fun....
I didn't even know it was a Saturday race.. all I saw was 6 pm and thought it was a normal Sunday race..I missed the whole thing and was sad..
My pick for the last race: Charlotte Roval. Combining the banks of an oval, the technicalities of a road-course and the proximity to the walls of a street course. Probably not going to happen though, but still fun to think about.
Great race at the end. It really needs to be ran at night.
I think they should go back to Miami as the last round personally.
Big City to please sponsors, can run under the lights and should provide decent racing fitting of a season finale
IndyCar cant race at tracks that dont want them. NASCAR said no to IndyCar at Miami.
@@tommythetreat000 A man can dream, OK
@@QuimblesTV Also, the race couldn't draw flies. ISC hasn't been friendly to IndyCar since the early years of the IRL.
If you want a good season finale, put it at Homestead.
With the new TV rights agreement NBC just inked with the Big Ten and it's Notre Dame commitment... You're at the mercy of being done by Labor Day if you want any chance at Saturday Night network for the title race.
Either way I want the "Michigan 500" back in any form of capacity.
This was the first year since this race returned to Gateway that we didn’t attend it. Usually we get there early in the day to go through the autograph lines and so forth. And we absolutely roast. It is always so so hot. All of the grounds are concrete slabs and there’s nowhere to go to cool off. Sanding there in the sun on the concrete, or in the bleachers, is just miserable for like eight or nine hours. The more nighttime we can involve in this race the better, as far as I’m concerned.
They should start this race around 7 PM EST-9 PM EST to make it a true night race
As for what needs to be done to improve this race, clearly better served as a Saturday night race at 7pm start. It also needs pre- race and post race concerts along with a carnival (outside the track) to draw in more people. A race alone isn't going fill the stands. IndyCar has to make it an event.
Should be a night race, also if there was any way they could keep the track clean of marbles, which I understand they can’t, but if there was a way and you had two lines to run on the turn it would be a much better race to watch, you need two lines, make a tire that won’t marble, I don’t know
Agreed!!.
@Larry Menconi; If you want a tire with less degradation=fewer marbles, the compound would need to be harder. So hard, in fact that grip would be drastically reduced. So much so that with this IndyCar oval formula, i.e., lower down force with its torquey engine output you'd have a car/tire combo that would make handling very much the same as "Driving on Ice." The only solution that I see as viable is "Jet Blast or Track Sweep" the outside line and up to the wall to clean up "The Clagg", as David Hobbs used to call "The Marbles", during yellow flag laps. (Truth be told, that might not even be doable.)Tell me what you think Larry. PS, I totally agree with you on the summer time races held at night if the track is equipped with proper lighting.
@@timford3599 ya that’s a good point , didn’t really have it thought through, hate to see stoppage first clean up every so offen either so I don’t , I guess it in what it is
A Great race, a night race and all ovals and other races in summer should be night races.
Didn’t they say ticket sales were actually up this year? I’m sure the rain scared folks away
Yes!!!
I think St. Pete and Long Beach the last couple years proved that a street race might be easiest path to a big event championship finale. Easier said than done, but that could be the answer.
Hey David, I saw you there last night!
The track is in Madison, IL across from St.Louis.
I feel bad because I should’ve gone to the race but I already went to Indy and Iowa(x2) so I was on the fence with going, once I heard the weather might affect the race I went against going. I was able to go in 2019 and enjoyed it but iowa was out of this world!
Bring back Michigan too
I’m gonna be honest, the only reason why the crowd wasn’t big was because of the cup series race here. Everyone blew a buttload of money on those tickets and couldn’t afford it. The only reason I got to go was because my mom won vip suite tickets from her work. Next year, the crowd will improve. Mark my words
Nah crowd would’ve been bigger if no threat of rain. Ticket sales were way up
Final race should not be in California. Outside of maybe Long Beach, seemingly motorsports isn't all that high up there in importance for them.
Honestly should end off in an oval race, or go to freakin' Mexico, or Brazil, or Gilles Villeneuve. Go out with a bang sort of deal. They could shove those sponsor-bloviating CA races near the end of the season, but move it to places where they could have fun races where it could be an attraction of sorts.
I'm Sorry, Will Power just looks like he's thinking, "Who is this little David guy, is he for real, like I really don;t want to be here and waste my time with an interview"
If Newgarden didn't get a jump start in Pit Lane after the Red Flag. Malukas is a race winner 🏆
maybe, but if Malukas would have made his move on Scott 2 laps earlier, he would have been the winner.
The Answer to your season finale, at night on a oval , is and will always have been Homestead FL. I mean NASCAR is not using it for the finale so why not. Honestly there are a bunch of oval track with lights that could be used for a Saturday night shootouts that NASCAR has basically abandon, why INDYCAR has not filled those void's is beyond me at this point.
I'm all in favor of making this a night race if it leads to better racing.
IMHO, Laguna Seca is one of the most iconic tracks in America and a great venue for the IndyCar finale.
Daytona Roval at night would be a cool finale.
Final race at Road America? I can't imagine the sponsors want to go to Wisconsin over California, but it's a beautiful track, produces some good racing, and the fans show up.
Im gona show up to Laguna
Although I agree starting at 7 or even 8 would haven been better, but I thought it was a good race.
I'd give it a 7 out of 10.
Josef Newgarden showed that (at least right now) He's the best when it comes to short ovals.
David Malukas drove awesome, 4 or 5 laps more and he might have challenged for the win?
I said it b4... romain should of never left the 51...need at least 1 more oval on the sched.and please please add Charlotte roval or oval
Hi guys, could you get a cart series going in the USA with some cable coverage?
Here’s a suggestion for an indycar finale: Homestead Miami. It was a great venue for the finale for nascar, why not indycar? I think they can race there, even though there is some rough history there with Greg Moore and I believe Paul Dana but I think it can work
Greg Moore was at Fontana
I went to this race in person last and this yr. I liked the night race better.
Put David Malukas in the 10 car
Leave him where he is. Not every giant team needs every great driver.
@@Ericb1980 Ganassi likes winners. He made the right choice with Palou, he could do the same with Malukas
@@Stormyrac3r he should try developing his own drivers for once instead of stealing others
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