How Alfa Romeo (briefly) Dominated DTM
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Its 1992. The beastly Mercedes 190E Evo 2 has just won the DTM championship after 8 years of trying, failing, and trying again to grab hold of the crown. The championship’s Group A regulations had given rise to some of the most famous battles, between some of the most famous cars in the world, cars that you and I might even see out on the street (if you’re very lucky that is). But times were changing. DTM was looking to the future, and the future they saw didn’t include the Group A formula that had enraptured fans for the last 9 years. They sought to free manufacturers from the shackles of true homologation. The sun rose on a new era: class 1.
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2:38 EPIC gt3 music "light velocity"
I remember first seeing the DTM 155 in the racing game Squadra Corse Alfa Romeo as a kid. Been in love with the car ever since
Mine was Sega touring car championship on the Sega Saturn.
Though I had seen snippets of it, that was the first proper experience with it
S.C.A.R.! Man, that's some good memories!
@@TotallyNotASpy1 Oh and the mental strength for the driver to psych them out. Must play again soon.
I spent so many hours on S.C.A.R. back in my childhood. Didn’t know anything about Alfas, and was kinda shocked that a boxy sedan with a wing is faster than a sleek coupe (8C road car).
Gran Turismo 2 for me
Was a license test car, test was on a Rome city course. Fond memories
Love the gran turismo 4 music in the backround
Alfa and Lancia were always brilliant at interprenting and adapting to new regulations when there was change coming. The 155 V6 TI had the most agressive and glorious sounding V6 engine of the era, and you can rev the nuts out of it and it just begs for more.
Especially Lancia in the WRC when they changed to Group A regulations winning 6 manufacturer titles with the 4WD Delta Integrale
When I first saw the 155 as a kid in GT4 I immediately fell in love with it
I was only 5 or 6 in 2000 but i still remember how breathtaking this car looked in GT2. Never unlocked it or bought it but it just looked cool. One of the GT2 legends.
Those loud Alfa decals on Romeo red are the thing of dreams 🎉
I'm here for the Gran Turismo music in the background
First video I watch from this channel, the GT2 BGM is awesome S2
I loved seeing Alpha's racing in the 90s.!!
Remember in 1993 season Nannini just came back from rehabilitation from replantation microsurgery of his right hand. Yes, his right hand was SEVERED in 1990 helicopter crash and surgically reattached. And still won that years race. Goes to show how fast 155 was and how much of a badass Nannini is.
wtf this really needs to all be turned into a movie. insane.
Wasnt he also the brother of gianna nannini? The famous singer?
@@andreasstrauss5194 Yes, he’s a younger brother of Gianna Nannini
@@andreasstrauss5194 Yup, he’s a younger brother of Gianna Nannini
Nannini & Larini and magnificent red Alfa 155, my childhood racing heroes when it comes to DTM! 😊
First saw it in Gran Turismo 2. Loved it since, great looking car.
Being German and having the old DTM reviews I can tell you that Mercedes used both the Evo II and the Class 1 from the beginning. They had 3 Class 1 for Ludwig, Schneider and Thiim, with van Ommen, Lohr and Asch still using the Evo II. The only exception was at the Eifelrennen where Ludwig, who loved the Evo II and hated the Class 1, asked Mercedes to go back to the Evo II, promptly winning the race. Only from the Nordschleife race onwards, all six factory Mercedes entries were Class 1.
Also, Alfa Romeo rescued DTM from its possible early demise at the end of 1992. Mercedes simply could not bring a proper Class 1 car as the C class W202 only debuted in may 1993. So there was no chance of producing the mandatory 2500 cars.
That’s awesome, thanks for the information! I’ve become obsessed with these years of DTM/ITC and it’s really hard to find much info on it other than what’s already on RUclips. I’d love to get my hands on some of the dtm reviews and team videos or have them uploaded
Nice Gran Turismo music there :) Awesome video BTW.
The superb sound of engine open in front at track day
The 155 and the calibra .... Love 😊
Im 11 and i probably will never see these things be raced like back then. But your videos make up for it, truely not a single detail or fact missed. Amazing videos thx!
Really enjoyed this, please keep at it .
Cheers from Huntington Beach CA 🇺🇸
2:50 The thing is: the people that call Alfa Romeos unreliable, in 95% of all cases, are those people who only drive their car and don't give a shit about caring for it. Of course your car will blow up if you never check your oil level or go onto the Autobahn/Autostrada/Freeway/whatever giving it hell straightaway without letting the engine warm up first. And this is, quite frankly, something a BMW, a Mercedes or any other car can have.
Granted, Alfa's reliability never has been bulletproof and the saying "If there's nothing wrong with it, it's not a true Alfa" exists, but some people just seem to hop on the "Alfa bad quality" train for either no reason or without having driven one themselves...
But then this comes from me, who's grown up with that brand
im exactly the same. grew up around them practically my whole life. been across europe and back in a 155 in particular, which fared well on that trip but overall was pretty flakey because of how many modifications it had - even the engine was a fiat 20VT instead of the 2L 16V that originally was fitted, was an absolute monster though. my mum had several 156s and 147s which were all brilliant, never had a single issue in all of those years. my dad used a 159 for taxiing for years and rocked up 220000 miles on it with zero issues aside from regular maintenance until he crashed it. i still remember the interior of the 159, which was a TI and very lovely, high quality. the 155 felt a bit cheap overall but not worse then any other 90s car - they all kind of use the same grey plastics anyway - and the 156 was a lower trim which had a cloth interior but was pretty nice regardless. overall really good. Alfa gets a bad rap overall but im alright with it because it means theyre a little bit cheaper
@@Archman155 Well, if it wouldn't have been for my Dad buying his GTV6 or my Gradpa (Mum's dad) buying his 33 after the wall fell, I wouldn't exist, so for me it's always a bit of personal insult. We have that GTV6 (dad put some 350k Kilometers on it, including a run on the Nordschleife) and 33 tugged away, the 155 still runs like clockwork and my 147 (bought it in April, ran about 2-3k Kilometers since) has caused 0 troubles in that time span...
@@cas5447 Jesus Christ 350k kilometres on a gtv6 is mental. Funnily enough my dads first Alfa was a 33 in 2003. We've gone through quite a few over the years but most of them have been good, some of them were flakey but obviously not cared for by past owners and it'd be the same with any other car
I remember being amazed seeing the DTM/ITC 155 and the BTCC 155 both being kickass cars in the same era yet having little in common with each other.
Now arent they all tubechassis cars. I know the BMW is wicked looking
These are milder regs. Check out the Alfa 164 Procar. A thinly disguised F1 car for a race series that never was!
Domination ?
I’ll say no, they just won a champipionship using a prototype with a PRV engine because the busso was not powerful enough …
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@@pipotron1637the PRV-derived engine was only introduced halfway through the 1996 season, the 1993 championship winner had a Busso
I remember getting the Matchbox car and falling in love with it.
That Gran Turismo back ground Music ❤
Love the GT3 bg music
And that's how my exposure for German Touring Car Championship all begins. And it all started in Gran Turismo 3. What further expanded through the later installments and the rival series like Forza Motorsports
Subbed & liked & best wishes from Scotland 🏴 🙏 ♥
Such a great car in Gran Turismo 7, and that sound… GODLY.
Those years were the Golden era of DTM and JGTCC
I've seen the ITC version several times at the Trento-Bondone hillclimb, it sounds incredible
Love to watch vids about Alfa Romeo. Subbed.
Lovely video! A nice part is missing though. Nannini could win the championship in 1994, his opponent was struggling behind in the rain when a mercedes driver (Ash, driving a client mercedes), who was out of the championship, rear-bumped Nannini and made him spin to give the victory to the official mercedes team. Nannini went to the pits, asked for a tyre change and chased Ash. Rear bumped Ash in revenge and parked his alfa with the engine in flames. Good old motorsport
Loving the old school Gran Turismo music
love the gran turismo 4 music u add to these videos makes it so nostalgic
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A story about opel calibra would also interesting
Similar to what they did in the 80's in south africa with the 3L GTV6
I only know this car because of grand tuurismo 2 on the ps1 when I was a kid, loved this thing!!!!
This music at the very end of video from Gran Turismo is nostalgic :)
AFAIK for the 1994/5 season the Alfa Corse/Abarth team bit more than they could chew by making drastic changes to the car that lead on to problems on the 1994 season.
1996 also could've been better as the car would've been more competitive with the 90° V6, but Fiat management held back the engine for marketing reasons (it was a PRV based design, not a 100% Alfa one). When the engine was introduced it worked, but it was too late to take the championship
My father watched the 155 race in DTM and BTCC and fell in love with it. In 2006 he bought a 2.0 8v and he still has it. Lovely car
V6 beast from Italy. One of my favorites from GT2.
It should be noted that in 1996 the engine wasn’t based on the famous Busso V6, but rather the PRV engine instead.
It had a bigger bore/shorter stroke and a 90 degree V, which gave more room for the intake and a lower center of gravity.
The PRV engine was used in the Lancia Thema and because both Lancia and Alfa was/owned by FIAT, Alfa somehow got the green light to use the PRV block- an engine designed by Peugeot, Renault and Volvo.
And I believe to remember that the Opel V6 was based on an Isuzu engine
@@Hellisoy The calibra v6 first used was changed to the v6 engine from the opel monterey.
There is a great interview with Sergio Limone "Flicking through the papers, I noticed that Alfa Romeo at a certain point was no more: it merged and became Alfa-Lancia Industriale. This lasted for a few years (2-3 years), so Alfa Romeo produced Lancia cars too, so I picked the only 90 deg V6 which was the PRV (Peugeot-Renault-Volvo), mounted on the Thema too. So the engine on that car (the 155 DTM) is geometrically derived from the Thema."
@@alexjenner1108 On a second time. The first 155 Ti got a 60° derived from the Busso. Later the 90° to install bigger intakes etc
@@takao4491 Yes that's in the interview with Sergio Limone. They started off with 60° and were quite successful, but as rpms and power outputs increased they needed a better flowing induction system. By the end of the series they were using F1 style pneumatic valve closing too.
In 1994 Nannini was a serious contender and Mercedes never had the clear dominance that you said. Look at Singen 1994 when Nannini was hit on the back (by a Mercedes car, of course) and lost the possibility to fight for the championship until the end.
The Alfa 155 was one of the most successful touring cars. It was simply phenomenal. I drive a 155 V6 for a long time. One of the best cars I owned.
To put the budgets of the manufacturers in relation at the end. These were roughly equal to the salaries of Verstappen and Hamilton combined. With the difference that technological progress was advanced and many families were fed. Like todays Formula 1 budget cap were drivers salaries are excluded...
It was true motorsport for the viewers, the drivers and the engineers.
automobilistic new content? Yes, please!
the car is one of the coolest looking touring cars of all times and it won a championship so its a classic in my book
I feel like Alfa Romeo has never been able to hold #1 for very long... *Always the bridesmaid, never the bride* 😥
DTM in the 90s was so amazing.
Alfa did eventually use vaguely similar heads to make the Busso v6 24v for road going models.
just found this channel. Your voice its just so Discovery Channel man! 😱
David Cironi has wonderful interview with man behind project 155. Wonderful chat. Good work automobilistic!
The background ❤
That alfa is absolutely beautiful
Imagine designing a PROTO that probly won't run, but you love it anyway, and one day, they change the rules to the MAJOR racing series you'r hooked on and your baby can race! AND WINS!!
It's kinda sad that the FIAT group closed the WRC operation with Lancia only for this brief domination.
Ah yes... group a group b cars of dtm ♥️
Gorgeous car belisimo
Do a story about Porsche 935 mobydick
Love the Gran Turismo tunes peppered through this video
That alone has gained you a sub!
Love the video was wondering where I could get the posters on ur wall 😅they look awesome
The best saloon car and the best engine sound saloon car ever !!!!
A nice docudrama on all the people it took to get Alfa Romeo in and winning would be great. From the top discussing how they'd like to show up and beat everyone at their own game, to the race team and experience getting scouted and picked, to their first and biggest wins. That could make a great movie. Plus the cars of this era are incredible.
Thank you for this!
You have to do a vid on the 1996 championship car the Opel calibra v6 4x4, these were greats years of motorsport with mental cars.
The 190E and the 155 are my lock & home wallpapers on my phone😅
today, with those class 1 regulations, what manufacturer racing teams would enter for competition would just be f1 cars in a paper thin hollow fiberglass shell resembling a production saloon. possibly a 2 stroke probably with a turbo the size of a 5 year old.and rpms far past 10k
Alfa Romeo engine are fantastic, i own a 147 twin spark engine and love to rev until 7000 rpm❤
Opel Calibra Video gotta be next :)
Old school F1 drivers. Great video.
PLEASE make a podcast format for ease of listening lol I would def listen
Great content, man.
2:49 "Known for their great looks and for their soulfulness..." Shows car crashing into guard rail. Handled with the grace of a tree falling down.
And of course, a burst of enthusiasm shooting out of its engine.
It sounds good, but it isn’t true. Ask someone who have a 155
Who cares, you want reliable, buy German, you want to be alive, buy Alfa Romeo
The "reliable German" car is now just a myth - nothing reliable from there since 2000. Modern Alfas much more durable.@@pierinovatta1391 Case in point, my daily driver is a 2002 156 GTA with 256,000km on the clock...
Definitely would love a video about the Opel/Vauxhall Calibra. I remember in my teens doing my local paper route and someone having a calibra parked in the driveway and just how gorgeous it was. Once again, another fantastic video! Looking forward to the next one 😊
The Calibra was one of my childhood dreamcars purely based on looks, what a stunning car it was and still is!
One of my dream cars as well, it’s yet ANOTHER dream car I can’t get being in the US :/ it’s amazing that it had the lowest CoG until the first gen Honda Insight came out. Such a good looking car and an insane amount of tech in the racecar
I hope you still made these good videos like this more in future. (Anyway sorry for my bad Eng.😅)
That change of regulations is what at the end killed DTM.
DTM was based on production cars and the costs of creating those incredible prototype cars we all love was so high that now we have freak*Ng GT3 cars as ANY other series and DTM is not interesting anymore at all. The BTCC had the same regulations and keep them. Yes maybe it is not in the golden days, but it's the same spirit and competition.
10:45 EXACTLY!!!
My mother was bmw. Her brothers Mercedes and every fucking Saturday the italiens woke up early because their alphas did not work again. Good old 90s
Great video went to Donington to watch these absolutely awesome 94 i think
Gran turismo 2 was the first time i saw DTM 155
9:54 Wait a minute... That's not ITC :thinking:
10/10 content nonetheless, you're one of my favourites!
Also your English is very clear, something we non-natives do appreciate.
I love my M5 and I have Alfa Romeo to thank for that.
You comment at 2:52 suggests to me you have never owned an Alfa Romeo. After 250000 km in a GTV6 including several years of motorsport the only breakdown for me was a sheered roll pin in the gear selector shaft. A recent survey by What car Magazine in the UK ....."The survey awarded Alfa Romeo with a fifth place overall reliability out of a total of 32 manufacturers, outperforming well-known 'safe' brands like Honda and Subaru, as well as more prestige ones like Audi, Porsche, BMW and Mercedes-Benz." My 2 recent BMW's were not as reliable but strangely and touch wood , my Landrover Discovery 4 has also been totally reliable.
It's good to have young historians.
I do recall a Mercedes driver, Roland Asch, causing a spin to an Alfa Romeo driven by Alessandro Nannini in a very “suspicious” race incident (Asch would never make that corner) when the latter was a championship contender (at least in a position to postpone the decision that, in the end, favored Klaus Ludwig).
Of course it was not a dominance in ‘94 from Alfa, but neither Mercedes had such a clear advantage with the new c-class car.
That was the only reason that Nannini wasn’t the champion that year … on that race in Singen he’s pace was brutal and he was recovering lot of place and within two laps will overtake Ludwig but that intentional push from Asch made the History books to be written different 😔
(On those days if you win the first race they will put around 20kg on your car for the second race😑)
you failed to mention the mythical win at nurburgring where the mercedes officials were crying like babies and also failed to mention how fast was the 155 all of the years and how mercedes dirty games led to stealing Nannini's championship
Loved this car in Gran Turismo 2. Thanks
We need a Video of the dominating Audi V8 (1990, 1991 and 1992)
This video suprise me with my car photos inside
English please.
@@Marauder1981I am speaking English
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Ahh good old Gatebil burnout competion. Highly doubt that was a real 190 evo tho :P
As a kid in 1980's South Africa whose (Afrikaans) father was an Alfa Romeo fanatic, I remember asking him what the TI stood for.
His reply was simple..."Typical Italian" he said. 🤣
Thanks for the story, Pyrocynical's petrolhead cousin
Loved the Alfa in Grand Turismo ran most 24 hour races with it love the sound of the motor
The algorithm has blessed me with a new channel.
Very cool video! Subbed :)
honestly, i dropped a like mostly for the inclusion of the Gran turismo 2 music
Please make a video on m3 gtr
I remember watching the 92 DTM season, it was one of the last years that any DTM race would be broadcast in America for a while. I remember commentators saying that the sanctioning body was contemplating putting the 155's in their own division inside dtm so it wouldn't reflect poorly on the rest of the brands...the 155 was purpose built while the other cars were sedans that went racing. a very bad end to dtm if ya ask me, putting a thoroughbred race horse in with a bunch of plow horses and watch the comedy...way to kill a wonderful thrilling racing series.
To think they killed off the Lancia world rally team for this while resulting in ZERO decent road cars at the time makes me really sad, as an Italian. Nothing but Fiat Tipo platform based, FWD garbage while the Germans had the W202 and E36 just as an example...
"This saw races as far away as France and Italy..." 😂😂
Good follow up to this would be the unraced Alfa Romeo 164 Procar. It was completely and utterly ridiculous. Pure insanity.
Designed by Brabham it was also technically the called the BT57
This guys voice is like Clarkson had a kid with the How Its Made guy 😂
Great Video