Sonic did have a rough transition into 3d. It started with sonic 3d blast and that wasn’t truly 3d then there was the SEGA Saturn which was intended to have ab3d sonic game but had been cancelled and the only 3d games was a spinoff and sonic world. By the time SEGA made a 3d sonic game it was much later and everyone was comfortable with working on 3d games whilst SEGA was still at the basics technically speaking.
Fun fact, Big is *technically* faster than Gamma, but it's hard to notice because Gamma has a faster acceleration and carries his momentum into his different abilities unlike Big, who drops like a rock as soon as he jumps.
It's very fun! Not sure if revolutionary is the proper adjective, I was more referring to Mario 64 there, but it was definitely pretty innovative and incredible for the time. Thanks for watching!
You're not an idiot for saying this at all. I am not positive if I like Sonic Adventure more than Super Mario 64, but I may - and much for the reasons you've stated. Both are great games, and Sonic Adventure gets a rep it does not deserve.
I don't think it's a stupid take, I just think a lot of people are incredibly blinded by nostalgia and would bash me for claiming such a thing as my opinion. Both games were amazing at release, but Adventure just holds up a lot better today.
@@jeremymklinger I absolutely agree with the idea that some games, while great for their time, have not aged well. I’ve recently played a bit of mario 64 and sunshine on the switch. Despite the reception upon release, and the legacy of both games, I think sunshine is the better game by today’s standards (which I also saw you say in another video). Would love to see a video of you talking about why :)
Honestly, I didn't think 3D Mario games became that good till Galaxy & onwards. Not putting down 64 or Sunshine here. I respect 64 for it's foundation to 3D. But it didn't hold my interest very much and while 64 isn't an bad game & has some improvements over 64 like the movesets & an own camera angle, it's also worst in terms of the structure, level designs, more obnoxious or repetitive missions and the fact u have to chase Shadow Mario throughout the entire main course instead of the amount of Shine Sprites u only need is absolutely tedious.
Not comparing them graphically is great, I also feel like gameplay is more important than looks. The games now, while they look absolutely beautiful, really ask yourself if games actually need super juicer graphics.
I'm on the same vote. While I respect Mario 64 for it's revolutionary of 3D gaming and whatnot, the game didn't hold up to me that well. The controls & camera are so archaic and while I do find the first halve of the levels pretty solid ( minus Hazy Maze Cave ), the later halve starts to get an little bit obnoxious & repetitive. Especially with the likes of Tick Tock Clock & Rainbow Ride. While Adventure 1 isn't flawless either and had some part that's age, I had way more fun and easier time with SA1 than I have with Mario 64 and there's not an single gameplay style that I hate ( except Big's gameplay. But even that isn't all that bad. ).
I remember I asked a friend once, “Who has better music? Sonic or Mario?” That f*cker told me “Mario.” What kinda answer is that? Mario has catchy music, I admit to that, but Sonic’s music has more personality, more attitude and atmosphere.
Sega would likely still be making consoles if the Saturn didn't fail and if they didn't waste time on the Neptune project, People often forget Nintendo was losing relevance after the Super Nintendo and had flops like the virtual boy; the original Game Boy was Nintendo's saving grace for over a decade, the N64 and Gamecube weren't the best selling consoles of their time.
I think it's really hard for many people to separate "fun" from "importance". Yes, Mario 64 was groundbreaking. But that doesn't automatically make it fun anymore. And I agree that Sonic Adventure wins in the fun department by a pretty wide margin.
you forgot to mention the super sonic story, as of right now in Sonic games it's kinda common thing already but tbh they really deserve props on managing to make a challenging boss fight to an invincible charcter.
Fun fact: whoever says Sonic Adventure’s graphics aged poorly or the game is a glitchy mess probably only played the following versions (aka DX) GameCube, PC (2004), Xbox 360, PS3, Steam
Honestly the versions aren't as hugely different as people say to make a truly game changing difference imo, I feel like people act as if you've played an entirely different game if you played dx, yeah maybe it's overall a bit worse but not to the extent people make out
@@mrhuman5092 trust me there are tons of differences some more under the hood which make the game worse. Although the worst version of it is the steam one so if i played dx id probably play it on the gamecube
Sonic adventure was so impressive for 1998 Both games age well except sonic adventure because of face expressions But it is not a bad thing cuz it is one of the first 3d games to offer facial expressions
From a first-timers perspective, you're right about how Mario 64 is more about finding where to go. However, when you already know all the places to go, and know the game like the back of your hand, it can be pretty fun to try and find new ways, intentional or unintentional, of getting all the stars and trying to get them as fast as you can.
@@DanielAntovski Yes, and I wasn't saying anything against Sonic Adventure. Sonic Adventure is one of my favorite games ever. I think I was just defending that point of Mario 64. It's been 10 months, I don't remember exactly.
I posted a video about Sonic Adventure 2 this past week that you should definitely check out, but I'm not gonna do sa2 vs. sunshine because I feel like Sunshine takes a lot of hate from people nowadays and Adventure 2 is one of the more well-received Sonic games.
While I don't agree with some of them, I really do respect the points you ended up putting forth, honestly by the end of the video it had me looking at both of the games (mainly SA1) a bit differently. Mario 64 will still be the better game overall in my book, but I definitely think that you laid out your reasons for liking SA1 more very well and made a pretty compelling argument for it.
It took Sega so long to make a proper 3D Sonic game, that even Sonic Adventure couldn't save Sega after Sonic Jam, Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic R--none of which are terrible. Still a 3D Sonic game basically took 2 generations to manifest.
Adventure definitely aged better than SM64. The controls, the soundtrack, extra playable characters. The hub world really isn't that bad and the camera controls aren't the best but you could easily get around that. The Chao garden isn't as good as Adventure 2's garden but it gives you something extra to do even after completing the game.
SA1 is still playable, people who can't control Sonic simply suck at the game. While Sonic 2006 had bad controls, mediocre games like Shadow the Hedgehog had responsive controls. So the myth of "Sonic can't control well in 3D" was always a lie.
@@millabasset1710 I wouldn't say people suck at the game if they can't control sonic in 3D. It depends what game your playing. For example, games like Sonic Hereos and Shadow feel like your on ice all the time but games like generations are really easy to play. If your transitioning from a nintendo game such as mario, it could be quite hard getting used to sonic's controls. In my opinion, I think sonic will always be kinda easy and if its hard its probably because of some shit level design.
Finally, someone else who doesn't think 64's camera is awful! I never really had much of a problem with 64's camera, I didn't play 64 until high school and instead grew up with both galaxy games and also eventually played Sunshine before ever playing 64, but once I did, it always worked rather well for me with only a few hiccups here and there and I thought it really held its own compared to the other 3 3D Marios I've played (more like 2 since both Galaxies have basically identical cameras), sure it's not absolutely stellar or something but I never really noticed any major negatives with it either, and yet I've seen everyone else say 64 has a horrible camera and I just don't see that.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you, grew up with the galaxy games, went back and played 64 in high school. Having any camera control is better than what galaxy provided for exploring, and for the actual first attempt at this type of camera system, 64 is surprisingly solid.
I do agree with this video a lot. Maybe it is because I grew up with Sonic Adventure while I played the Mario games a bit later but even nowadays, I find a more easier time revisiting Sonic Adventure then I do Mario 64. Not saying Mario 64 is a bad game, far from it actually. I think it is a revolutionary game that set the standards for 3D platforming but I don't really need to tell anyone that, it is pretty much it's legacy. I just have more fun with Sonic Adventure.
I have more fun with adventure by a landslide, Mario 64 is more revolutionary and important to gaming, but sonic adventure plays better today and is a blast
If people praise Mario 64 and OOT to high heavens, then Sonic Adventure should MUCH better. It’s aged a trillion times better in terms of level design, controls, camera, etc. Yeah it’s shown it’s age now, but so what? It’s an old game it’s inevitable to happen to any old game. It’s still a fun time.
I have no idea why anyone ever complains about Mario 64's controls. Playing it again some 20 years later or so it still controls great while Sonic sometimes goes a little too fast for his own good in Sonic Adventure. I think the controls are good in both, but I have to assume that people who think the Mario 64 controls are bad just suck at platformers. If that's the case then no wonder they prefer Sonic Adventure since it poses practically no challenge whatsoever.
The controls are fine, the controller sucks. Sonoc does not go too fast, they really got his speed dead on on the adventure games. I wouldn't say I'm bad at platforms, I've 100% every Mario game galaxy onward, and while adventure isn't particularly difficult, it's tough enough. 64 is only difficult because of that controller and levels that don't guide you enough
Nah sa1 still has challenge. Also I think Sonics speed is fast enough. Idk why it's always an argument that he goes "too fast" people do tend to use that argument also for the 2D games of sonic. Also people don't suck when they say that they don't like the controls but I feel like that they should have made atleast the platforms bigger because it's so easy to fall off in so many areas in Mario 64 which makes it annoying af sometimes.
@@Fungiarts All I said was he goes a little too fast sometimes, and I think that's true. For the most part it's fine though. Honestly if you think the platforms should be bigger then I don't think you've very good at platformers. Never had any problems with it even when I was 7 years old.
@@cangrejopendejo4909 I am pretty good. Hell I went through super Mario Galaxy 2. It's just that Mario 64 lacks guidance (to be fair sonic adventure does that to with it's hubworlds) but still. I am pretty good actually but I haven't fully mastered it yet. Also I could use the same argument when it comes to sonics speed. You have to you know get good. Sonics speed is perfectly fine if you get good.
Fun Fact: Sonic Adventure 2 is on the gamecube, the game is called sonic adventure 2 battle. Even though the first sonic game I played is sonic adventure 2, I have been trying to revisit older 2d sonic games, mostly through Sonic Mega Collection on the gamecube.
@@jeremymklinger watching your videos im guessing you're an original hardware type of guy but just so you know you can get the old sonic games everywhere now, theyve been re released everywhere
How to fix Marip 64: For each star you get on a level, you should still and always stay to the level, it got pretty annoying and tedious returning to the castle EVERY SINGLE TIME for ONE mission. And i don't like the N64, that controller sucks, the control sticks breaks easily.
I'll always have my bias for Sonic, so of course I agree, but it's also really nice to have people that can still ook at it from the perspective that both of these games are really rad! Great vid!
Definitely, I always found SA to be more memorable in every way to SM64. The soundtrack in SA is miles better, and even the jank SA camera is better than Mario 64's. Also the levels are more memorable, people always bring up the same 3-4 levels in Mario 64 while every environment in SA is absolutely perfect
Sonic adventure, Crash, & Jak & Daxter were my childhood platformers. I played 64 at neighbors house’s but ehh it’s alright. I think sunshine is the Best Mario game (Which is controversial) & also apart of my childhood.
0:35 Don't Worry about it Dude I Have Played Super Mario 64 Before and I Never Played Sonic Adventure Dreamcast Before But I Would like to get my own Sega Dreamcast and Sonic Adventure Dreamcast Too as Well
Mario 64 is indeed faaaaar better than sonic 3d blast, but that wasn't a main line game. It's like saying Kirby’s transition to 3d was Kirby’s dream course and not the Forgotten land.
@@jeremymklinger Exactly they were experimenting with 3D with sonic because a character like sonic if not any video game character is hard to transition to 3D. You have to balance the world around sonic so he can fit into the environment well because of his speed.
Sa1 is better IMO since The only time I’m frustrated with the game is bigs story and the perfect chaos fight while Mario 64 a bunch of levels and stars are migraine inducing especially tic toc clock
The controls in 64 is terrible in today’s standard while adventures controls is smooth and feels good and pleasuring at the same time except for controlling big since he’s like controlling a fat wad of gum
@@theunknown0887 Huh? No offense but you're just bad at it lol. Playing it again 20 years later I still have no problem with Mario 64 whatsoever, but Sonic Adventure can be kinda sloppy.
@@cangrejopendejo4909 I mean if hes new to SM64, he might find trouble with it for the first time because of shit camera controls. Hell I played it on All Stars and got bored of it because of that. Meanwhile Adventure is way easier and easy to get into. Also I disagree with you about Adventure being sloppy in controls I feel like this is one of the best sonic movesets/controls we've seen.
@@theunknown0887 I don't agree with SA1 being smooth. There are definitely some control issue with it, like in Mystic Ruins, almost all of Big's levels, and some choppiness against the final boss, but it's still the better game overall, likely because it came out much later to better tune into 3D. 64 isn't really that bad either. The controller was really bad though.
Sonic Adventure was a great piece of tech at its time, truly showcased the power of the Dreamcast (though it lasted for a year only...) but outside of that, couldn't even set a standard for the Sonic franchise going forward. Super Mario 64? It was a revolutionary game. Without it, 3D platformers wouldn't be. It was so great that to this day it's the standard for making a 3D platformer...to such a degree that from what they took from 64 (and other 3D Marios), SEGA managed to create a close to perfect 3D Sonic game: Frontiers.
Ehhhh... while the Sonic franchise has some of the best soundtracks in gaming, reducing Mario's soundtracks to simply worse than anything Sonic has done is such a gross understatement (and a stupid one as well). Not only does Mario have a myriad of fantastic soundtracks (like Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario 3D World and Super Mario Odyssey), these have, ultimately, completely different purposes than Sonic's soundtracks Sonic soundtracks are fast paced, complex, deliciously layered, and funky, serving the gameplay really well. Mario has a much more varied history with soundtracks. They are generally grandiose, immersive, incredibly eclectic, playful, and even emotional, and however different they may sound, they always feel "Mario" and serve the gameplay really well. Before Super Mario 64, you could say that Mario soundtracks were generally not as a good as Sonic's (which is still a "ehh" statement, to me), but after that... it'd just be wrong to put one over the other. Both franchises have some of the best soundtracks in gaming, they're just doing completely different things - and saying one is unequivocally better than the other is just... dumb.
@@monke_lord-qq8ws Sorry that I'm capable of thoroughly developing and expressing my thoughts through text. It must suck not knowing how to do that - as well as failing to reply in any meaningful way, thus resorting to insult the length of my comment. Sorry if my "stupid" offended you, but my argument about the soundtracks stands.
@@MarioGamer2.0657Nah, sonic was made to be sega’s mascot and overall face of the company. He was made to be excessively different from mario in terms of gameplay, controls, physics, and concept. Just because he’s “Mario’s op” doesn’t justify him being in existence because of a character that previously dominated the gaming industry.
@@MarioGamer2.0657 This is also blatantly false. SEGA created sonic for the sole purpose of creating a mascot and overall face of the company. But when sales reached to Mario’s standards, they then became enemies.
I played Sonic Adventure on dreamcast today on my crt. It was a blast! I appeciated it more than playing my downloaded Sonic Adventure on my ps3. More authentic.
I like Sonic and I like Sonic Adventure and I like Donkey Kong 64 and my favorite Sonic Videogames are Shadow the Hedgehog Sonic 06 Sonic Unleashed and Sonic and The Black Knight. I also like Creepypasta Sonic and Spyro more than SCP Foundation Mario and Crash Bandicoot.
I've played SM64DS and Sonic Adventure 2 and SM64DS is much more fun. I'm currently stuck on Pumpkin Hill. I spent like 20 minutes and only found a single shard.
Nice analysis, Sonic Adventure is definitively better in my opinion. I too did not grow up with either game but have tried both and I could not enjoy 64. Best of wishes and Great video 👍
Sonic adventure still looks gorgeous and has amazing controls... mario 64 looks pretty bad these days and i think the controls and collision are absolute garbage and the camera is abysmal
I definitely agree, stated put your point validly. As a sonic fan, a approve lol but those ppl who just straight up cuss sonic adventure out I the comments rlly gotta go man
Both games are great, but I agree with Sonic Adventure being the better game And if anybody reading this thinks Super Mario 64 is the better game, I still respect your opinion. Mario 64 is a great game as well
Great video. Most of the people who say Sonic Adventure is bad have only played the Game Cube/PC version, that's a very bad port. The original version is way more stable. It's so sad that a bad port ruined the legacy of this game. I don't like Super Mario 64 because it's a very different kind of game compared to the classic Mario games.
Glad ya liked the video! And yeah, I agree there, adventure's legacy has really been ruined by the bad port, as well as the series going downhill nor long after.
I maybe more of a sonic and Sega fan But Mario and sonic are both Equally cool Why should it matter which is cooler all that matters is that 2 of these Video game characters are one of the most beloved video game franchises of all time. ALSO HAPPY 30TH ANAVERSERY SONIC THE HEDGEHOG AND MARIO
2:12 Mario 64 is not the first platformer to do this. That would be the 1994 game Geograph Seal. The first platformer with the camera was the 1995 game jumping flash. Mario 64 didn't innovate on the camera in any way. The only thing i can give it credit for is the anolauge stick, which sega kinda did at the same time, but came out a month later. Correction, you can't give mario 64 credit for the stick because it was already common place in arcades. it also was popular on a lot of third party controllers.
Not comparing graphics because 1 came out 2 years later?... if only nintendo fanboys had the same mentality when it came to the megadrive... seeing as that came out 2 years before the snes, yet all they do is say how the graphics on megandrive are “inferior”
I don't feel like waiting! Hate and death threat! Okay, now that I've actually watched the video, I'll give a serious response. I've always enjoyed Sonic Adventure more than Mario 64. This was just confirmation bias for me.
For an adventure game, that’s the point. Not just to wonder but find clues, and puzzles. This is not a hate comment. Don’t get me wrong, I love the 2D games, but for an open world, it’s more adventure, and finding what you need to do.
How como Sonic adventure has a faithful transition to 3D if the levels don't have branching paths as the 2D ones and only Sonic and Tails' levels (2/6 of the game) go for the actual platforming/speed through a level approach? And two characters that feel more like a chore to play as to get the final ending doesn't help much to the case of Sonic adventure being objectively better than Mario 64. Anyone can have their respective favorite by the standard one chooses like the presentation but it seems that you relied more in that aspect to compare both over others. Mario 64' strenght I would say is the liberty of movement and how it lets the player approach each challenge however it wants
I'd probably mark Sonic Adventure's personality and presentation down as a negative. While I think the overall setup is great (that opening FMV encapsulates everything perfectly), the more hands-on approach to storytelling brings it down; the dialogue, the cut scenes, some of the extended story plots. But that's probably a symptom of the time. I think, like classic Sonic, or maybe something closer to Ocarina of Time, they could have told a really interesting and high-stakes story by doing less of it.
i think mario games are just more challenging than sonic games. like, in sonic they put more in speed than challenge, but with mario its the opposite. so, if u want to challenge urself or suffer a lil, mario is for ya(except mario odyssey, comparing to other mario games its much more casual). but if u came from school, university or watever and just wanna relax a lil and go fast, u can try sonic games. but remember, sonic and mario arent rivals. everyone have their own opinions and arguing about whos better is just stupid, play watever u want, my dudes. Edited: or u can try to play sonic in mario 64 by downloading a rom hack, LMFAO
Super Mario 64 set the standard for Sonic Adventure! Never compare Sonic to Mario! Never! Mario (Nintendo) always sets the standard and then Sonic (Sega) uses the formula to create a better game.
crash bandicoot was 3d but super linear. sonic adventure was a little bit more open but still very linear. Mario 64 is legendary because the levels were actually designed for 3d. It wasn't just 2d levels converted to 3d. It completely reinvented level design. So sonic adventure is a good game and I think better in many ways you mention, but it was not as revolutionary.
Whenever people say that Sonic had a rough transition into 3D, I'll just point them to this video from now on.
Appreciate that 👌
I mean he did take a while to transition to 3D so I would say it took a while but sonic adventure is pretty good for a first fully 3D sonic game.
Sonic did have a rough transition into 3d. It started with sonic 3d blast and that wasn’t truly 3d then there was the SEGA Saturn which was intended to have ab3d sonic game but had been cancelled and the only 3d games was a spinoff and sonic world. By the time SEGA made a 3d sonic game it was much later and everyone was comfortable with working on 3d games whilst SEGA was still at the basics technically speaking.
The person who said it played 06 for the memes and never played any sonic game before that
I strongly disagree with that whole concept
Fun fact, Big is *technically* faster than Gamma, but it's hard to notice because Gamma has a faster acceleration and carries his momentum into his different abilities unlike Big, who drops like a rock as soon as he jumps.
I didn't know that, really interesting, thanks!
The fact that Amy is actually SLOWER than Big really boils my blood! I still love Sonic Adventure, though!
my thats a pretty nice information there
I agree tbh! Sonic Adventure is a great game. I wouldn't call it revolutionary personally, but it's super fun!
It's very fun! Not sure if revolutionary is the proper adjective, I was more referring to Mario 64 there, but it was definitely pretty innovative and incredible for the time. Thanks for watching!
its was revolutionary for the sonic series though
Yeah
the sequel can be revolutionary for sonic by having a deep story and by everything by Eggman p*ssing on the moon
I looked back at sonic adventure tonight… and I can say it was revolutionary for the time it came out!
You're not an idiot for saying this at all. I am not positive if I like Sonic Adventure more than Super Mario 64, but I may - and much for the reasons you've stated. Both are great games, and Sonic Adventure gets a rep it does not deserve.
I don't think it's a stupid take, I just think a lot of people are incredibly blinded by nostalgia and would bash me for claiming such a thing as my opinion. Both games were amazing at release, but Adventure just holds up a lot better today.
@@jeremymklinger I absolutely agree with the idea that some games, while great for their time, have not aged well. I’ve recently played a bit of mario 64 and sunshine on the switch. Despite the reception upon release, and the legacy of both games, I think sunshine is the better game by today’s standards (which I also saw you say in another video). Would love to see a video of you talking about why :)
Honestly, I didn't think 3D Mario games became that good till Galaxy & onwards. Not putting down 64 or Sunshine here. I respect 64 for it's foundation to 3D. But it didn't hold my interest very much and while 64 isn't an bad game & has some improvements over 64 like the movesets & an own camera angle, it's also worst in terms of the structure, level designs, more obnoxious or repetitive missions and the fact u have to chase Shadow Mario throughout the entire main course instead of the amount of Shine Sprites u only need is absolutely tedious.
Both games get a bad rep today. They were both goated at the time it came out.
You forget sonic adventure has a good storyline and great character development
Not comparing them graphically is great, I also feel like gameplay is more important than looks. The games now, while they look absolutely beautiful, really ask yourself if games actually need super juicer graphics.
I'm on the same vote. While I respect Mario 64 for it's revolutionary of 3D gaming and whatnot, the game didn't hold up to me that well. The controls & camera are so archaic and while I do find the first halve of the levels pretty solid ( minus Hazy Maze Cave ), the later halve starts to get an little bit obnoxious & repetitive. Especially with the likes of Tick Tock Clock & Rainbow Ride. While Adventure 1 isn't flawless either and had some part that's age, I had way more fun and easier time with SA1 than I have with Mario 64 and there's not an single gameplay style that I hate ( except Big's gameplay. But even that isn't all that bad. ).
Yeah, I completely agree with all of that 👌
Going from level to level on SA1 was NOT EASY. It took me a good 10-15 minutes to find the right steps to go from level to level
Pezzy. You're talking in the hub worlds. Well ok. I can understand. But I prefer Adventure 1's hub world over Mario 64's.
@@jaretco6423 I respect your opinion.
I remember I asked a friend once, “Who has better music? Sonic or Mario?” That f*cker told me “Mario.” What kinda answer is that? Mario has catchy music, I admit to that, but Sonic’s music has more personality, more attitude and atmosphere.
Sega would likely still be making consoles if the Saturn didn't fail and if they didn't waste time on the Neptune project, People often forget Nintendo was losing relevance after the Super Nintendo and had flops like the virtual boy; the original Game Boy was Nintendo's saving grace for over a decade, the N64 and Gamecube weren't the best selling consoles of their time.
You're also right about the music, Mario has some decent tunes, but even the worst Sonic games have head bangers.
@@millabasset1710 Sonic has electronic, pop, and rock music
Mario has orchestra, funk, and jazz music.
ok, but like why would you call the person a "f@#%er?"
lmao this dude heard an opinion and was all like: 🤯🤯🤯
I think it's really hard for many people to separate "fun" from "importance".
Yes, Mario 64 was groundbreaking. But that doesn't automatically make it fun anymore. And I agree that Sonic Adventure wins in the fun department by a pretty wide margin.
you forgot to mention the super sonic story, as of right now in Sonic games it's kinda common thing already but tbh they really deserve props on managing to make a challenging boss fight to an invincible charcter.
Fun fact: whoever says Sonic Adventure’s graphics aged poorly or the game is a glitchy mess probably only played the following versions (aka DX)
GameCube, PC (2004), Xbox 360, PS3, Steam
Honestly the versions aren't as hugely different as people say to make a truly game changing difference imo, I feel like people act as if you've played an entirely different game if you played dx, yeah maybe it's overall a bit worse but not to the extent people make out
@@mrhuman5092 trust me there are tons of differences some more under the hood which make the game worse. Although the worst version of it is the steam one so if i played dx id probably play it on the gamecube
Sonic adventure was so impressive for 1998
Both games age well except sonic adventure because of face expressions
But it is not a bad thing cuz it is one of the first 3d games to offer facial expressions
From a first-timers perspective, you're right about how Mario 64 is more about finding where to go. However, when you already know all the places to go, and know the game like the back of your hand, it can be pretty fun to try and find new ways, intentional or unintentional, of getting all the stars and trying to get them as fast as you can.
Isn't that like the whole point of sonic games?
@@DanielAntovski Yes, and I wasn't saying anything against Sonic Adventure. Sonic Adventure is one of my favorite games ever. I think I was just defending that point of Mario 64. It's been 10 months, I don't remember exactly.
@@superplushroompower-up ok
Of course Sonic Adventure is better in almost every way. Being released on a more powerful hardware also helped.
And it came out later too. Mario 64 came out in 1996 as Sonic Adventure came out in 1999
@@highlandave8507 Yep. Indeed they did.
Said by someone who has never played sonic adventure or super Mario 64
@@TheChckster Who hasn't?
@@Victory-in-YAHUSHA I’m a sega fan boy and I say sonic adventure isn’t better…I prefer adventure but I put my bias aside to come to a conclusion.
Opinion based but I respect sonic adventure
Can't wait for Super Mario Sunshine vs. Sonic Adventure 2
I posted a video about Sonic Adventure 2 this past week that you should definitely check out, but I'm not gonna do sa2 vs. sunshine because I feel like Sunshine takes a lot of hate from people nowadays and Adventure 2 is one of the more well-received Sonic games.
While I don't agree with some of them, I really do respect the points you ended up putting forth, honestly by the end of the video it had me looking at both of the games (mainly SA1) a bit differently. Mario 64 will still be the better game overall in my book, but I definitely think that you laid out your reasons for liking SA1 more very well and made a pretty compelling argument for it.
Thank you, I'm glad ya think so :)
@IsaacInfernape2000 (Raman)
I like both Sonic and Ocarina of Time my favorite Videogames are Sonic Spyro Rayman and Legend of Zelda.
I personally prefer Mario 64 since it's such a replayable wonde that still holds up (at least for me) but cool video.
Yeah, it's quality for sure and I respect your opinion. Glad you enjoyed!
I prefer sonic adventure but I respect your opinion.
Adventure 1 is much more replayable and has way more veriety but ok
@@Bombastic_daiohnot when you speedrun sm64
@@infinitypowergaming2995 lmao even there 64 is better lol
It took Sega so long to make a proper 3D Sonic game, that even Sonic Adventure couldn't save Sega after Sonic Jam, Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic R--none of which are terrible. Still a 3D Sonic game basically took 2 generations to manifest.
Whats your point exactly
Adventure definitely aged better than SM64. The controls, the soundtrack, extra playable characters. The hub world really isn't that bad and the camera controls aren't the best but you could easily get around that. The Chao garden isn't as good as Adventure 2's garden but it gives you something extra to do even after completing the game.
SA1 is still playable, people who can't control Sonic simply suck at the game. While Sonic 2006 had bad controls, mediocre games like Shadow the Hedgehog had responsive controls. So the myth of "Sonic can't control well in 3D" was always a lie.
@@millabasset1710 I wouldn't say people suck at the game if they can't control sonic in 3D. It depends what game your playing. For example, games like Sonic Hereos and Shadow feel like your on ice all the time but games like generations are really easy to play. If your transitioning from a nintendo game such as mario, it could be quite hard getting used to sonic's controls. In my opinion, I think sonic will always be kinda easy and if its hard its probably because of some shit level design.
1996 vs 1998
Sonic Adventure was a better jump into 3D platforming than Mario 64.
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@@jazazo4956 he’s right you know
Facts!
Mario improved it in Sunshine
@@rankrodent2772 he was infact not
Finally, someone else who doesn't think 64's camera is awful! I never really had much of a problem with 64's camera, I didn't play 64 until high school and instead grew up with both galaxy games and also eventually played Sunshine before ever playing 64, but once I did, it always worked rather well for me with only a few hiccups here and there and I thought it really held its own compared to the other 3 3D Marios I've played (more like 2 since both Galaxies have basically identical cameras), sure it's not absolutely stellar or something but I never really noticed any major negatives with it either, and yet I've seen everyone else say 64 has a horrible camera and I just don't see that.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you, grew up with the galaxy games, went back and played 64 in high school. Having any camera control is better than what galaxy provided for exploring, and for the actual first attempt at this type of camera system, 64 is surprisingly solid.
Sonic fans& Mario fans:
This is impossible you can't like the both of them!!
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Sonic and Spyro Fans: Oh really? What about liking both Sonic and Spyro?
I do agree with this video a lot. Maybe it is because I grew up with Sonic Adventure while I played the Mario games a bit later but even nowadays, I find a more easier time revisiting Sonic Adventure then I do Mario 64. Not saying Mario 64 is a bad game, far from it actually. I think it is a revolutionary game that set the standards for 3D platforming but I don't really need to tell anyone that, it is pretty much it's legacy. I just have more fun with Sonic Adventure.
I have more fun with adventure by a landslide, Mario 64 is more revolutionary and important to gaming, but sonic adventure plays better today and is a blast
Sonic Adventure is miles better and has aged a million times better. Like most N64 games Mario is impossible to play now.
If people praise Mario 64 and OOT to high heavens, then Sonic Adventure should MUCH better. It’s aged a trillion times better in terms of level design, controls, camera, etc.
Yeah it’s shown it’s age now, but so what? It’s an old game it’s inevitable to happen to any old game. It’s still a fun time.
@@jesuspernia8031cause super mario 64 is the most speedrunned game? and zelda is zelda
I have no idea why anyone ever complains about Mario 64's controls. Playing it again some 20 years later or so it still controls great while Sonic sometimes goes a little too fast for his own good in Sonic Adventure. I think the controls are good in both, but I have to assume that people who think the Mario 64 controls are bad just suck at platformers. If that's the case then no wonder they prefer Sonic Adventure since it poses practically no challenge whatsoever.
The controls are fine, the controller sucks. Sonoc does not go too fast, they really got his speed dead on on the adventure games. I wouldn't say I'm bad at platforms, I've 100% every Mario game galaxy onward, and while adventure isn't particularly difficult, it's tough enough. 64 is only difficult because of that controller and levels that don't guide you enough
Nah sa1 still has challenge. Also I think Sonics speed is fast enough. Idk why it's always an argument that he goes "too fast" people do tend to use that argument also for the 2D games of sonic. Also people don't suck when they say that they don't like the controls but I feel like that they should have made atleast the platforms bigger because it's so easy to fall off in so many areas in Mario 64 which makes it annoying af sometimes.
@@Fungiarts All I said was he goes a little too fast sometimes, and I think that's true. For the most part it's fine though. Honestly if you think the platforms should be bigger then I don't think you've very good at platformers. Never had any problems with it even when I was 7 years old.
@@cangrejopendejo4909 I am pretty good. Hell I went through super Mario Galaxy 2. It's just that Mario 64 lacks guidance (to be fair sonic adventure does that to with it's hubworlds) but still. I am pretty good actually but I haven't fully mastered it yet. Also I could use the same argument when it comes to sonics speed. You have to you know get good. Sonics speed is perfectly fine if you get good.
The challenge in SA1 comes from mastering the levels to get the fastest time, further exemplified in SA2 with the ranking system
Fun Fact: Sonic Adventure 2 is on the gamecube, the game is called sonic adventure 2 battle. Even though the first sonic game I played is sonic adventure 2, I have been trying to revisit older 2d sonic games, mostly through Sonic Mega Collection on the gamecube.
Yeah, I grew up with sa2 battle! Love that game! That's cool, I haven't really played the older Sonic games, I need to get on that. Need a Genesis tho
Glad you played such an underrated game :)
@@jeremymklinger watching your videos im guessing you're an original hardware type of guy but just so you know you can get the old sonic games everywhere now, theyve been re released everywhere
@@deathfrombelow1193 Yeah, I know, I just like to play games as the developers intended, but I appreciate the info
How to fix Marip 64:
For each star you get on a level, you should still and always stay to the level, it got pretty annoying and tedious returning to the castle EVERY SINGLE TIME for ONE mission.
And i don't like the N64, that controller sucks, the control sticks breaks easily.
Nintendo Fans: Blasphemy
Lol
another bias sonic fan
@@LexxGee1234 another biased mario fan
I'll always have my bias for Sonic, so of course I agree, but it's also really nice to have people that can still ook at it from the perspective that both of these games are really rad! Great vid!
Glad you enjoyed my perspective :)
Definitely, I always found SA to be more memorable in every way to SM64. The soundtrack in SA is miles better, and even the jank SA camera is better than Mario 64's. Also the levels are more memorable, people always bring up the same 3-4 levels in Mario 64 while every environment in SA is absolutely perfect
Agreed 💯
Sonic adventure, Crash, & Jak & Daxter were my childhood platformers.
I played 64 at neighbors house’s but ehh it’s alright. I think sunshine is the Best Mario game (Which is controversial) & also apart of my childhood.
Also Toy Story 2
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0:35 Don't Worry about it Dude I Have Played Super Mario 64 Before and I Never Played Sonic Adventure Dreamcast Before But I Would like to get my own Sega Dreamcast and Sonic Adventure Dreamcast Too as Well
Bruh sonic's first 3D game was Sonic 3D Blast and Super Mario 64 was MILES better than that.
Mario 64 is indeed faaaaar better than sonic 3d blast, but that wasn't a main line game. It's like saying Kirby’s transition to 3d was Kirby’s dream course and not the Forgotten land.
@@jeremymklinger Exactly they were experimenting with 3D with sonic because a character like sonic if not any video game character is hard to transition to 3D. You have to balance the world around sonic so he can fit into the environment well because of his speed.
You are comparing games from 2 generations.
Red mountain act 2 is such a bop it is insane
I loved both of them too, I always had some sonic cartoon cds and I played Mario games
Nice!
Did anyone realize Mario 64 Came out on Sonic's Birthday?
It did? I didn't notice lol
Sa1 is better IMO since The only time I’m frustrated with the game is bigs story and the perfect chaos fight while Mario 64 a bunch of levels and stars are migraine inducing especially tic toc clock
The controls in 64 is terrible in today’s standard while adventures controls is smooth and feels good and pleasuring at the same time except for controlling big since he’s like controlling a fat wad of gum
Yeah, controls are a big deal and deep far better in sonic adventure (big the cat is trash tho lol)
@@theunknown0887 Huh? No offense but you're just bad at it lol. Playing it again 20 years later I still have no problem with Mario 64 whatsoever, but Sonic Adventure can be kinda sloppy.
@@cangrejopendejo4909 I mean if hes new to SM64, he might find trouble with it for the first time because of shit camera controls. Hell I played it on All Stars and got bored of it because of that. Meanwhile Adventure is way easier and easy to get into. Also I disagree with you about Adventure being sloppy in controls I feel like this is one of the best sonic movesets/controls we've seen.
@@theunknown0887 I don't agree with SA1 being smooth. There are definitely some control issue with it, like in Mystic Ruins, almost all of Big's levels, and some choppiness against the final boss, but it's still the better game overall, likely because it came out much later to better tune into 3D. 64 isn't really that bad either. The controller was really bad though.
Time to play sonic adventure
Ikr
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Sonic Adventure was a great piece of tech at its time, truly showcased the power of the Dreamcast (though it lasted for a year only...) but outside of that, couldn't even set a standard for the Sonic franchise going forward.
Super Mario 64? It was a revolutionary game. Without it, 3D platformers wouldn't be. It was so great that to this day it's the standard for making a 3D platformer...to such a degree that from what they took from 64 (and other 3D Marios), SEGA managed to create a close to perfect 3D Sonic game: Frontiers.
Donkey Kong 64 is my favorite version of Donkey Kong and I like it more than Mario 64.
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Sonic games have had very good music over the years, probably better than anything Mario has
Very true
Ehhhh... while the Sonic franchise has some of the best soundtracks in gaming, reducing Mario's soundtracks to simply worse than anything Sonic has done is such a gross understatement (and a stupid one as well). Not only does Mario have a myriad of fantastic soundtracks (like Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario 3D World and Super Mario Odyssey), these have, ultimately, completely different purposes than Sonic's soundtracks
Sonic soundtracks are fast paced, complex, deliciously layered, and funky, serving the gameplay really well.
Mario has a much more varied history with soundtracks. They are generally grandiose, immersive, incredibly eclectic, playful, and even emotional, and however different they may sound, they always feel "Mario" and serve the gameplay really well.
Before Super Mario 64, you could say that Mario soundtracks were generally not as a good as Sonic's (which is still a "ehh" statement, to me), but after that... it'd just be wrong to put one over the other. Both franchises have some of the best soundtracks in gaming, they're just doing completely different things - and saying one is unequivocally better than the other is just... dumb.
@@20000dino The only thing stupid here is that you wrote 4 paragraphs with information that could be expressed with 4 sentences
@@monke_lord-qq8ws Sorry that I'm capable of thoroughly developing and expressing my thoughts through text. It must suck not knowing how to do that - as well as failing to reply in any meaningful way, thus resorting to insult the length of my comment. Sorry if my "stupid" offended you, but my argument about the soundtracks stands.
But i got so mush memories for sm64 and sonic adventure its hard choice i like suber mario 64 and Sonics
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Sonic adventure had more characters, story, and iconic music so it got a sequel
Meanwhile Mario…… he just exists 💀
Sonic only exists because of Mario.
@@MarioGamer2.0657Nah, sonic was made to be sega’s mascot and overall face of the company. He was made to be excessively different from mario in terms of gameplay, controls, physics, and concept. Just because he’s “Mario’s op” doesn’t justify him being in existence because of a character that previously dominated the gaming industry.
@@Witchcraft_VR Sega created Sonic because they wanted to compete with Mario, Nintendo.
@@MarioGamer2.0657 This is also blatantly false. SEGA created sonic for the sole purpose of creating a mascot and overall face of the company. But when sales reached to Mario’s standards, they then became enemies.
@@Witchcraft_VR I guess
I played Sonic Adventure on dreamcast today on my crt. It was a blast! I appeciated it more than playing my downloaded Sonic Adventure on my ps3. More authentic.
4:49 so that's where the hover wisp originated from 🤔🧐
Sonic Adventure is the perfect 90s 3D game
Sonic adventure is like six dollars which is a good price
I like Sonic and I like Sonic Adventure and I like Donkey Kong 64 and my favorite Sonic Videogames are Shadow the Hedgehog Sonic 06 Sonic Unleashed and Sonic and The Black Knight.
I also like Creepypasta Sonic and Spyro more than SCP Foundation Mario and Crash Bandicoot.
I've played SM64DS and Sonic Adventure 2 and SM64DS is much more fun.
I'm currently stuck on Pumpkin Hill. I spent like 20 minutes and only found a single shard.
Any luck yet?
I feel ya i was at one point stuck there for days
To me it’s like comparing apples to oranges, oranges are much better!
But apples clean your teeth and the skin is good for you
Super Mario 64 is simply the goat but SA was close rival
It should be sunshine vs adventure imo.
Adventure still wins, i hate Mario 64 and Sunshine, insane padding for the latter two...
Actually Sonic first 3D game is Sonic 3D Blast
Yeah, but that's not a true 3d game, isn't it just isometric? And the gameplay is way different than typical sonic
Nice analysis, Sonic Adventure is definitively better in my opinion. I too did not grow up with either game but have tried both and I could not enjoy 64. Best of wishes and Great video 👍
Thanks a lot!
Sonic adventure still looks gorgeous and has amazing controls... mario 64 looks pretty bad these days and i think the controls and collision are absolute garbage and the camera is abysmal
I completely agree with you there
Yet Sonic Adventure is criticized way more.
Couldn't disagree more. Never had a problem with the controls for Mario 64 even when I was 7 years old.
Dreamcast used hall effect stick and triggers so way superior in control.
I definitely agree, stated put your point validly. As a sonic fan, a approve lol but those ppl who just straight up cuss sonic adventure out I the comments rlly gotta go man
Sonic Adventure aged incredibly well. Super Mario 64 did not. Your take is not controversial at all in my opinion.
Both games are great, but I agree with Sonic Adventure being the better game
And if anybody reading this thinks Super Mario 64 is the better game, I still respect your opinion. Mario 64 is a great game as well
Great video. Most of the people who say Sonic Adventure is bad have only played the Game Cube/PC version, that's a very bad port. The original version is way more stable. It's so sad that a bad port ruined the legacy of this game.
I don't like Super Mario 64 because it's a very different kind of game compared to the classic Mario games.
Glad ya liked the video! And yeah, I agree there, adventure's legacy has really been ruined by the bad port, as well as the series going downhill nor long after.
@@jeremymklinger same with Colors.
Whats wrong with DX i loved it
@@traviscunningham7062colors is fire
Sonic Adventure is better than SM64 and Ocarina of Time if you ask me
Twilight Princess for the Gamecube obliterates Ocarina of Time.
Ocarina of Time is just a museum piece at this point, same for Mario 64.
We’re on the same page, dude!
am i the only one who actually prefers using the og n64 controller with sm64?
Sonic adventure 1 & 2 are in my opinion the best games of all time
I want Adventure now. GIVE ME ADVENTURE.
OBJECTIVELY CORRECT
I maybe more of a sonic and Sega fan But Mario and sonic are both Equally cool Why should it matter which is cooler all that matters is that 2 of these Video game characters are one of the most beloved video game franchises of all time. ALSO HAPPY 30TH ANAVERSERY SONIC THE HEDGEHOG AND MARIO
Geez I don’t think a gameplay style in this game can be wor-
*BIG THE CAT enters the chat*
I agree sonic adventures way better than Mario 64
2:12 Mario 64 is not the first platformer to do this. That would be the 1994 game Geograph Seal. The first platformer with the camera was the 1995 game jumping flash. Mario 64 didn't innovate on the camera in any way. The only thing i can give it credit for is the anolauge stick, which sega kinda did at the same time, but came out a month later.
Correction, you can't give mario 64 credit for the stick because it was already common place in arcades. it also was popular on a lot of third party controllers.
no you are 100% wrong i mean nothing you said is correct
[joke by the way]
Glad it's a joke lol, get too many comments like that
The diferent play styles was one of seling points.
Not comparing graphics because 1 came out 2 years later?... if only nintendo fanboys had the same mentality when it came to the megadrive... seeing as that came out 2 years before the snes, yet all they do is say how the graphics on megandrive are “inferior”
Even though both are on par with each other
@@El_Mince no no no no no no no no no. I agree with this post but your reply is wrong as SHIT
I respect Mario 64 but I prefer sonic adventure
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Okay, now that I've actually watched the video, I'll give a serious response. I've always enjoyed Sonic Adventure more than Mario 64. This was just confirmation bias for me.
wdym this video is bias? It's just his opinion
The homing attack originally comes from Sonic 3D Blast
couple days ago I seen a new version of mario64 with sonic characters and it looks like plays well
For an adventure game, that’s the point. Not just to wonder but find clues, and puzzles. This is not a hate comment. Don’t get me wrong, I love the 2D games, but for an open world, it’s more adventure, and finding what you need to do.
I agree with that , sonic adventure is better than Mario 64.
I love Sonic adventure.
Pd: good video
Thanks!
How como Sonic adventure has a faithful transition to 3D if the levels don't have branching paths as the 2D ones and only Sonic and Tails' levels (2/6 of the game) go for the actual platforming/speed through a level approach? And two characters that feel more like a chore to play as to get the final ending doesn't help much to the case of Sonic adventure being objectively better than Mario 64.
Anyone can have their respective favorite by the standard one chooses like the presentation but it seems that you relied more in that aspect to compare both over others.
Mario 64' strenght I would say is the liberty of movement and how it lets the player approach each challenge however it wants
I'm glad that you think Sonic had a good transition to 3D I think the same I'm truly glad you don't think like the others
i agree with adventure but i like adventure 2 better cause of one characters level or campaign ....... Big the Cat
I prefer sa2 as well, but comparing it to Mario 64 doesn't make much sense. Big the cat is indeed bad lol
Wow, Nice video.
Thanks a lot!
Mario 64 DS is basically a more advanced version of Mario 64, so do you like Mario 64 DS better or sonic adventure?
I actually love Sonic Adventure better than Super Mario 64 but Super Mario 64 is a great game don't get me wrong
I'd probably mark Sonic Adventure's personality and presentation down as a negative. While I think the overall setup is great (that opening FMV encapsulates everything perfectly), the more hands-on approach to storytelling brings it down; the dialogue, the cut scenes, some of the extended story plots. But that's probably a symptom of the time. I think, like classic Sonic, or maybe something closer to Ocarina of Time, they could have told a really interesting and high-stakes story by doing less of it.
i think mario games are just more challenging than sonic games. like, in sonic they put more in speed than challenge, but with mario its the opposite. so, if u want to challenge urself or suffer a lil, mario is for ya(except mario odyssey, comparing to other mario games its much more casual). but if u came from school, university or watever and just wanna relax a lil and go fast, u can try sonic games.
but remember, sonic and mario arent rivals.
everyone have their own opinions and arguing about whos better is just stupid, play watever u want, my dudes.
Edited: or u can try to play sonic in mario 64 by downloading a rom hack, LMFAO
I disagree games like generations and unleashed are way harder
@artimation4710, especially unleashed.
Super Mario 64 set the standard for Sonic Adventure! Never compare Sonic to Mario! Never! Mario (Nintendo) always sets the standard and then Sonic (Sega) uses the formula to create a better game.
doesn’t change the fact the sonic adventure is better
@@claudiamarrero9143 That’s like saying Kobe is better than Jordan.
crash bandicoot was 3d but super linear. sonic adventure was a little bit more open but still very linear. Mario 64 is legendary because the levels were actually designed for 3d. It wasn't just 2d levels converted to 3d. It completely reinvented level design. So sonic adventure is a good game and I think better in many ways you mention, but it was not as revolutionary.
I'm right with you!!!! I've been a sonic fan all my life, but my mom's more of a Mario fan.(my mom's
Actually Mikki.)
hmm Sonic adventure had a good story and soundtrack with the different characters you played as but 64 gimmick is eh not so good
Actually quantum mechanics forbids this
No
Why Sonic Advance Is Better than "1985 2d platform"
What are your favourite mario games
I did a tier list short if you wanna see how I'd rank every main series mario game, but Galaxy 2 is my favorite, 64 is middle if the road for me