Thank god I saw this video. Now I know what to do if a horse under carriage rears! Not freak out and stay calm. I thought the whole carriage would tip over backwards but it seems to be quite stable during a rear! Invaluable lessons in this video. You are a god send! Thank you
Wow. Wow. Wow. Amazing. My heart was in my mouth, watching the rearing, the fidgeting.....waiting for her to grab the bit and take off after her pal. But no. Yet again, your confidence, your knowledge, your firm but calm belief in yourself and your methods were all that were needed to keep the little mare where you asked her to be. No hitting. No raised voices. Zero excitement, so zero adverse reaction. Just stunning. Yet again, sir, I salute you.
@@jefferyschirm4103 Do you know how the brakes on a carriage are used? l doubt you do based on your comment. Barry, or any driver, could stand on the brake for all their worth and the horse could skid the carriage down the road with the wheels locked! The brakes are to help the horse hold the carriage back when needed.
@@jefferyschirm4103 I do believe that is a front brake Barry has on. That stops the front wheels from going left to right, if the horse should decide to go to the left or right to avoid having to standstill
That was an education! We've got a horse who always fidgets when being led, wiggles and so on, and I never really knew what to do about it except put up with it. The comment about "time" is so accurate. You can't train on weekends, it has to be daily. Also we had 2 rescued Tbreds who had been badly/brutally trained with a "nerve line", to get them ready for the track at speed; ie saddled and so on. Applies pressure behind the ears. So what happens of course is that you end up with a horse in a normal halter going straight backwards on a regular basis, and refusing to be tied. We've fixed a lot of it with help, but this is an added dimension of patience, and the lesson to me is 'don't worry about it taking forever, just be patient no matter how long it takes.' I'm not one for slapping and hitting horses, but I still don't altogether know what to do. Valuable video, great lesson.
you have taught me so much, more then any trainer , i have a lifetime with horses you have only cemented what i already know , i feel confident road riding, something i used to cringe at turn around wave at cars to slow down make my horse nervous, now i mind my business and only drive my engine , i feel like a teenager again my old lady fears are behind me, the greatest you are
Absolutely, unbelievable. Every horse owner should take the time to watch this video. I've said it before, but imagine what the equine world would be like if we had more Barry's out there... The greatest advice ever- Patience. Don't ask your horse to do anything unless you have the time and patience to get the job done correctly, otherwise expect it to bite you in the ass one day. There are NO shortcuts with excellent training. Words to live by, this mantra should be plastered in every stable across the world! Thanks again Barry, for sharing your exceptional knowledge with us..
Incredible! Watching has given me the inner confidence I need to work with my horse. I don't drive but it carries over into all aspects of horse handling. Thank you so much Barry.
Seeing that video was incredibly helpful. Thank you for posting it. This shows the right way to deal with a tricky situation. The two other videos you have posted that were equally helpful was the one with the chestnut mare who was afraid of whips and you had her next to old Roley. The other was a mare that got stirred up when the harness tightened on her as she pulled forward. From memory old Roley took the brunt of her tantrum too, bless him. These sort of video are the ones that guide me into the best way to deal with the odd situation that arises. It would seem we drivers also need to be "Safe, Confident and Happy" with the addition of the word "Calm" thrown into the mix!! Thanks.
Roly was the best of the best - certainly more difficult to deal with those sorts of situations without him! And yes, you're absolutely right about drivers!
You sir are a real credit to horsemanship. It's so refreshing to see someone not overthink a situation and treat horses with such compassion and understanding. You've also inspired me to start learning to drive! Thanks again Barry.
Absolutely beautiful to see how much love and patience you show this girl. I'm glad you are able to make videos like this so we can learn from your many years of experience.
Agreed, this really helped clarify a couple things for me. Seeing horses going well is lovely, but seeing misbehavior and how a good horseman handles it teaches so much more.
@@barryhook2 Yes, it helps more than you could ever know. Can't speak for others, but I have no one else to watch where I live. There are no experienced pleasure drivers nearby me. It is invaluable to be able to watch someone deal with a sticky situation and gives me the confidence to deal with that type of thing if and when it ever arises. Thanks.
Super episode!! I used to have a pony quite like her- somewhat full of herself, but heart of gold. I loved watching you staying calm but firm through the sillies- it was a wonderful thing to see with this squirmy girl! I enjoyed seeing how quickly she settled down to gentle firmness and consistency.
this is so helpful! i am new to driving and my guy is only 3 (was supposed to be 4) he was trained by Amish - and he loves his job and is so easy going about everything...but... standing on the way out or in...not his thing...will stand all day in just harness. So this is a help on what i need to do. thank you!
What I appreciate is the respect you show for the horse. Simple things such as the way you speak kindly and tell the horse she’s doing really well with terms of endearment goes a long way towards mutual respect. Because you’ve dealt with horses so long, you’re able to say with confidence that the situation will work out if you don’t give up or don’t give in. Thank you for believing in the horse and seeing the good, even if it’s just a small thing, but focusing on what good the horse is doing and quickly noticing the small tries from the horse builds as you say a sound foundation. Taking short cuts will come back in a bad way. Thank you thank you!
Thank you for your video. Patience and consistency. They ARE just like little children. You are really only teaching good manners and like you say it will only come back and bite you if you don't train them correctly. Can be very dangerous! They need to be safe. Love the way you talk to them - 'Come here little darling, my little sugar plum'. Very kind. Let them know when they are doing right, and doing wrong! Knowing horses. I always learn so much from you Barry. Thank you!
Very , very nice ! You're right with this little mare , understanding her impatiences , meeting her with patience and showing her what she needs to accept and learn. Rubber bits, super ! I love your reminders about hygiene and thoroughly going over your horse every day, to detect any wounds, swelling or insect bites , which could hurt or distract and make them feel miserable. Who can learn or work in those conditions ? To look and SEE your horse , which is how you discovered this girl's annoyance of her mane blowing around her ears , helped by a quick trim. Maybe braids for this girl. The warm showers you give after training not only help her look good, it's like a reward to help her feel good , relax and rest. I'm sure she looks forward to them. I've enjoyed and learned from your exercise in patience, awareness , connection , a light touch , knowledge and consistency , Barry, and obviously so did this mare. I love seeing great horsemanship in action !
Wow!! You make a lot of sense Barry. Having had a horrific accident with a pair you are correct about bad handling biting you in the arse. My friend was rough around them. When we needed to stop them after a huge spook they didn't trust her. Both ponies killed and lives ruined. Love your videos and will drive again.
Great video!!!!! It is really awesome to see how you handle a horse that isn't settled and quiet. You have reaffirmed what I have learned from other horsemen I admire; that It takes "as long as it takes" to train a horse and that patience and persistence are the greatest training aids around!
another good'n Barry.. seeing horses reminds me of my grandmother, when she would get upset or confused, she would say "I didn't know if I was afoot or horseback.." it's nice to sit and enjoy a video done by a man of God.. thank you again Barry..
Great vid! You're right, dicipline is a dirty word these days- fact is, lack of it causes way too many dogs and horses to spend their lives locked up in backyards and paddocks or even cause their lives to be cut short! Well done Barry and crew for showing us a better way xx
Exactly. So many horses and ponies we see that are described as "bad mannered" or even "dangerous" merely need handling correctly to reach their potential as safe, confident and happy animals.
I don't have a horse but I do have a Australian cattle dog and she's a handful. You're really helping me to discipline her in a proper way. I've had many dogs in my life but little Cali dog is like a wild horse sometimes hahaha. Tone of voice is very important. My Mom has horses I sent her one of your videos.
An absolute masterclass Barry, your beautiful voice and light touch is inspiring. Thank you for all you do and all you share you beautiful soul. From your Pearly Queen, as the old saying goes you can take the boy/girl out of London but you cant take London out the boy/girl
This is exactly what I need tp see actual misbehavior and your reaction. My miniatures signature move is rearing so I know I need to take her out when I have time to make her stand. Thank you so much for showing this part of the process.
I love your videos and I love that your ethos and ethic I think that’s the word is discipline not beating they are taught to do it by being asked not forced or done in fear of you xx
Really great video Barry. I always find myself eager for you to "walk on" once the pony seems settled and you calmly just stay and expect the pony to obey and finish your thoughy and I'm reminded that when I do get my driving horse I must also be so calm and patient and expect obedience no matter what.. and did I mention patient? 😊
Lovely...you have to really have what we call horse sense. I think ppl need to understand as you do horse thinking and behavior. Each minute is different. I loved the safe comment. Horses under control makes for safe hirses and ppl. I am bedridden 95% of the time and am transported to being with and in the moment with horses. Thank you I appreciate you so much. (A little laugh about clicker training.). 💙
I just found your channel yesterday and I’ve watched several videos already... I’d love to train my elderly (still in good condition and rideable) mare to pull a light cart.. Then she could stay somewhat fit, and have a job, even if no longer carrying weight.
Build their confidence, help them explore the territory of their new role, show them the elements of their world in harness. Gently, firmly, reassuringly.
Please do some more videos showing how you progress with this pony. I found it very scary watching her rear in harness............thank you for so many great videos, you are such a kind, genuine, knowledgeable horseman. Have you found chestnut mares more difficult?
That's the plan, Irene! Hopefully we will get some more footage soon. And no, not at all. Just another old wives' tale about chestnut mares - they are no more difficult than any other type of horse!
if I had the ability, Id bring my boy to you and Rhi - still lovely to see this. we do all these things under saddle - I can fire a gun off his back! but still nervous (myself) that i may do something wrong while in cart. this is fabulous to see...
Thank you for showing us how you deal with problems. We had a section D chestnut mare that was very similar. It was the days before the internet so we could only rely on books. She did keep turning her head back to the left, do you know why?
Hi Irene, generally horses will turn to the left because everything on the nearside is more familiar. On the offside there is cars coming past etc. so they generally prefer to turn the other way.
Cheers Ross! Glad to hear you think we're worth the long journey - especially when you could probably fly your horses out to a trainer across the pond for about the same travel time haha ;)
Hi Barry. I was wondering if you had any advice. I ride a 24 Yr old cob, he is a very safe riding school horse. He doesn’t spook at anything but twigs. He won’t walk over them or around them. He will try to turn around on his back legs And do very tight circles to get away from them. No matter what someone ends up getting off moving the twigs. And by twigs I mean tiny ones 30cm maybe
Difficult to say without seeing the horse himself. Is it the sound of them snapping that he is preempting and therefore won't stand on them? A process of desensitisation is the most likely to be a successful way forward. It may be useful to collect up twigs and find where his 'limit' is for how small they have to be before he is fearful of them and then work from there.
No, quite often if clipped to short where the harness sits, it can actually cause a problem with friction rubs if you are not careful, at least until the horse's skin toughens. The horses are clipped to stop them overheating or sweating too much (and taking ages to dry afterwards) due to being required to exercise in their winter coats.
My cat has extremely sensitive hearing, like an owl they are sideways on, and hairy, listening for a mouse. I wonder how pony hearing is designed? That;s a rather highly strung pony you have there............... you are very brave on the motorway bridge.................
A horse's hearing is very sensitive - also, as you can see they are able to cover the are around them almost 360 degrees by swivelling their ears around. And yes, we often find those with Hackney breeding tend to be a little more highly strung than some other breeds!
"Your actions come to you one day"
Very thank you for this message 💜.
Thank god I saw this video. Now I know what to do if a horse under carriage rears! Not freak out and stay calm. I thought the whole carriage would tip over backwards but it seems to be quite stable during a rear! Invaluable lessons in this video. You are a god send! Thank you
Wow. Wow. Wow. Amazing. My heart was in my mouth, watching the rearing, the fidgeting.....waiting for her to grab the bit and take off after her pal. But no. Yet again, your confidence, your knowledge, your firm but calm belief in yourself and your methods were all that were needed to keep the little mare where you asked her to be. No hitting. No raised voices. Zero excitement, so zero adverse reaction. Just stunning. Yet again, sir, I salute you.
Thank-you, Ruth!
With his foot on the brake it's not magic.
@@jefferyschirm4103 Do you know how the brakes on a carriage are used? l doubt you do based on your comment. Barry, or any driver, could stand on the brake for all their worth and the horse could skid the carriage down the road with the wheels locked! The brakes are to help the horse hold the carriage back when needed.
@@jefferyschirm4103 I do believe that is a front brake Barry has on. That stops the front wheels from going left to right, if the horse should decide to go to the left or right to avoid having to standstill
I wish I could spend a year with this man to learn even 1% of what he knows.
Because ICan me too! Boy, would that be fun!
That was an education! We've got a horse who always fidgets when being led, wiggles and so on, and I never really knew what to do about it except put up with it. The comment about "time" is so accurate. You can't train on weekends, it has to be daily. Also we had 2 rescued Tbreds who had been badly/brutally trained with a "nerve line", to get them ready for the track at speed; ie saddled and so on. Applies pressure behind the ears. So what happens of course is that you end up with a horse in a normal halter going straight backwards on a regular basis, and refusing to be tied. We've fixed a lot of it with help, but this is an added dimension of patience, and the lesson to me is 'don't worry about it taking forever, just be patient no matter how long it takes.' I'm not one for slapping and hitting horses, but I still don't altogether know what to do. Valuable video, great lesson.
you have taught me so much, more then any trainer , i have a lifetime with horses you have only cemented what i already know , i feel confident road riding, something i used to cringe at turn around wave at cars to slow down make my horse nervous, now i mind my business and only drive my engine , i feel like a teenager again my old lady fears are behind me, the greatest you are
It's so nice how he talks to her it's lovely. He's so kind.
Absolutely, unbelievable. Every horse owner should take the time to watch this video. I've said it before, but imagine what the equine world would be like if we had more Barry's out there... The greatest advice ever- Patience. Don't ask your horse to do anything unless you have the time and patience to get the job done correctly, otherwise expect it to bite you in the ass one day. There are NO shortcuts with excellent training. Words to live by, this mantra should be plastered in every stable across the world! Thanks again Barry, for sharing your exceptional knowledge with us..
Incredible! Watching has given me the inner confidence I need to work with my horse. I don't drive but it carries over into all aspects of horse handling. Thank you so much Barry.
Seeing that video was incredibly helpful. Thank you for posting it. This shows the right way to deal with a tricky situation. The two other videos you have posted that were equally helpful was the one with the chestnut mare who was afraid of whips and you had her next to old Roley. The other was a mare that got stirred up when the harness tightened on her as she pulled forward. From memory old Roley took the brunt of her tantrum too, bless him. These sort of video are the ones that guide me into the best way to deal with the odd situation that arises. It would seem we drivers also need to be "Safe, Confident and Happy" with the addition of the word "Calm" thrown into the mix!! Thanks.
Roly was the best of the best - certainly more difficult to deal with those sorts of situations without him! And yes, you're absolutely right about drivers!
@@barryhook2 oh no im sorry you lost him. Im new to your channel
You sir are a real credit to horsemanship. It's so refreshing to see someone not overthink a situation and treat horses with such compassion and understanding. You've also inspired me to start learning to drive! Thanks again Barry.
That's great Andrew - enjoy your driving!
Absolutely beautiful to see how much love and patience you show this girl. I'm glad you are able to make videos like this so we can learn from your many years of experience.
This is such a Good lesson for everyone!!!
Really nice to see you dealing with misbeviour- more like this please!
We'll try get some more misbehaviour on film that might be useable in future, if it helps people!
Agreed, this really helped clarify a couple things for me. Seeing horses going well is lovely, but seeing misbehavior and how a good horseman handles it teaches so much more.
@@barryhook2 Yes, it helps more than you could ever know. Can't speak for others, but I have no one else to watch where I live. There are no experienced pleasure drivers nearby me. It is invaluable to be able to watch someone deal with a sticky situation and gives me the confidence to deal with that type of thing if and when it ever arises. Thanks.
Super episode!! I used to have a pony quite like her- somewhat full of herself, but heart of gold. I loved watching you staying calm but firm through the sillies- it was a wonderful thing to see with this squirmy girl! I enjoyed seeing how quickly she settled down to gentle firmness and consistency.
You're very wise! Thank you for treating your horses with respect and for having reasonable expectations.
this is so helpful! i am new to driving and my guy is only 3 (was supposed to be 4) he was trained by Amish - and he loves his job and is so easy going about everything...but... standing on the way out or in...not his thing...will stand all day in just harness. So this is a help on what i need to do. thank you!
What I appreciate is the respect you show for the horse. Simple things such as the way you speak kindly and tell the horse she’s doing really well with terms of endearment goes a long way towards mutual respect. Because you’ve dealt with horses so long, you’re able to say with confidence that the situation will work out if you don’t give up or don’t give in. Thank you for believing in the horse and seeing the good, even if it’s just a small thing, but focusing on what good the horse is doing and quickly noticing the small tries from the horse builds as you say a sound foundation. Taking short cuts will come back in a bad way. Thank you thank you!
Thank you for your video. Patience and consistency. They ARE just like little children. You are really only teaching good manners and like you say it will only come back and bite you if you don't train them correctly. Can be very dangerous! They need to be safe. Love the way you talk to them - 'Come here little darling, my little sugar plum'. Very kind. Let them know when they are doing right, and doing wrong! Knowing horses. I always learn so much from you Barry. Thank you!
Persistence defiantly pays off in the long run. As well as much patience too!
Thank You so much for being the person you are and a hero to our horses!
Very , very nice ! You're right with this little mare , understanding her impatiences , meeting her with patience and showing her what she needs to accept and learn. Rubber bits, super ! I love your reminders about hygiene and thoroughly going over your horse every day, to detect any wounds, swelling or insect bites , which could hurt or distract and make them feel miserable. Who can learn or work in those conditions ? To look and SEE your horse , which is how you discovered this girl's annoyance of her mane blowing around her ears , helped by a quick trim. Maybe braids for this girl. The warm showers you give after training not only help her look good, it's like a reward to help her feel good , relax and rest. I'm sure she looks forward to them. I've enjoyed and learned from your exercise in patience, awareness , connection , a light touch , knowledge and consistency , Barry, and obviously so did this mare. I love seeing great horsemanship in action !
Wow!! You make a lot of sense Barry. Having had a horrific accident with a pair you are correct about bad handling biting you in the arse. My friend was rough around them. When we needed to stop them after a huge spook they didn't trust her. Both ponies killed and lives ruined. Love your videos and will drive again.
Great video!!!!! It is really awesome to see how you handle a horse that isn't settled and quiet. You have reaffirmed what I have learned from other horsemen I admire; that It takes "as long as it takes" to train a horse and that patience and persistence are the greatest training aids around!
Brilliant Barry, I love this
another good'n Barry.. seeing horses reminds me of my grandmother, when she would get upset or confused, she would say "I didn't know if I was afoot or horseback.." it's nice to sit and enjoy a video done by a man of God.. thank you again Barry..
Great video thanks
Great vid! You're right, dicipline is a dirty word these days- fact is, lack of it causes way too many dogs and horses to spend their lives locked up in backyards and paddocks or even cause their lives to be cut short! Well done Barry and crew for showing us a better way xx
Exactly. So many horses and ponies we see that are described as "bad mannered" or even "dangerous" merely need handling correctly to reach their potential as safe, confident and happy animals.
It was fantastic when you saw the moment she thought ‘oh ok then’. Patience, time and understanding. ❤️
I don't have a horse but I do have a Australian cattle dog and she's a handful. You're really helping me to discipline her in a proper way. I've had many dogs in my life but little Cali dog is like a wild horse sometimes hahaha. Tone of voice is very important. My Mom has horses I sent her one of your videos.
An absolute masterclass Barry, your beautiful voice and light touch is inspiring. Thank you for all you do and all you share you beautiful soul. From your Pearly Queen, as the old saying goes you can take the boy/girl out of London but you cant take London out the boy/girl
This is exactly what I need tp see actual misbehavior and your reaction. My miniatures signature move is rearing so I know I need to take her out when I have time to make her stand. Thank you so much for showing this part of the process.
That was an AWESOME VIDEO Berry, love to see this and more like it! You do such an amazing job.
I love your videos and I love that your ethos and ethic I think that’s the word is discipline not beating they are taught to do it by being asked not forced or done in fear of you xx
Really great video Barry. I always find myself eager for you to "walk on" once the pony seems settled and you calmly just stay and expect the pony to obey and finish your thoughy and I'm reminded that when I do get my driving horse I must also be so calm and patient and expect obedience no matter what.. and did I mention patient? 😊
Always patience, Carli - you're right there!
Really informative and helpful video. Proof that a calm and clear approach is best.
Lovely...you have to really have what we call horse sense. I think ppl need to understand as you do horse thinking and behavior. Each minute is different. I loved the safe comment. Horses under control makes for safe hirses and ppl. I am bedridden 95% of the time and am transported to being with and in the moment with horses. Thank you I appreciate you so much. (A little laugh about clicker training.). 💙
Patience and kindness is all you need x well done Barry
Beautiful❤️
I just found your channel yesterday and I’ve watched several videos already... I’d love to train my elderly (still in good condition and rideable) mare to pull a light cart.. Then she could stay somewhat fit, and have a job, even if no longer carrying weight.
I do enjoy the wisdom you share continuously thank you
Build their confidence, help them explore the territory of their new role, show them the elements of their world in harness. Gently, firmly, reassuringly.
Create a mature horse.
Who listens because he trusts as the result of gently guiding discipline.
Another great video!
Please do some more videos showing how you progress with this pony. I found it very scary watching her rear in harness............thank you for so many great videos, you are such a kind, genuine, knowledgeable horseman. Have you found chestnut mares more difficult?
That's the plan, Irene! Hopefully we will get some more footage soon. And no, not at all. Just another old wives' tale about chestnut mares - they are no more difficult than any other type of horse!
We need more barry hooks in the world. He could probably tame a shark if he wanted to! God bless you sir!
if I had the ability, Id bring my boy to you and Rhi - still lovely to see this. we do all these things under saddle - I can fire a gun off his back! but still nervous (myself) that i may do something wrong while in cart. this is fabulous to see...
Well handled As usual Barry .
What another little beauty, totally in love with her lol. Keep up the great work, I'm wishing I could be doing some of that too.
Thank you for showing us how you deal with problems. We had a section D chestnut mare that was very similar. It was the days before the internet so we could only rely on books. She did keep turning her head back to the left, do you know why?
Hi Irene, generally horses will turn to the left because everything on the nearside is more familiar. On the offside there is cars coming past etc. so they generally prefer to turn the other way.
This is why i travel to Barry and Rhi from scotland , old school is the best, no offence Barry 😆
Cheers Ross! Glad to hear you think we're worth the long journey - especially when you could probably fly your horses out to a trainer across the pond for about the same travel time haha ;)
Barry if you have to get down to adjust harness how do you keep the horse from moving off?
Thank you for sharing, very instructive.
thankyou learn so much from you
Hi Barry. I was wondering if you had any advice. I ride a 24 Yr old cob, he is a very safe riding school horse. He doesn’t spook at anything but twigs. He won’t walk over them or around them. He will try to turn around on his back legs And do very tight circles to get away from them. No matter what someone ends up getting off moving the twigs. And by twigs I mean tiny ones 30cm maybe
Difficult to say without seeing the horse himself. Is it the sound of them snapping that he is preempting and therefore won't stand on them? A process of desensitisation is the most likely to be a successful way forward. It may be useful to collect up twigs and find where his 'limit' is for how small they have to be before he is fearful of them and then work from there.
Pony rears upright...tries to lie down etc.....Barry calls her a lovely little pony...his baby girl😂😂💖👍👍😂
Wonderful
Are they clipped to ease with friction from the harness?
No, quite often if clipped to short where the harness sits, it can actually cause a problem with friction rubs if you are not careful, at least until the horse's skin toughens. The horses are clipped to stop them overheating or sweating too much (and taking ages to dry afterwards) due to being required to exercise in their winter coats.
My pony Candy is very much like this girl. Candy is half Welsh, 1/4 Haflinger and 1/4 Quarter horse. Say that five times really fast! lol
What is name and brand of the cart I see you using? Available in USA? Thank you.
Used to writing her own rules, that one. :)
Do you still have and own that horse Rhi?
Certainly do! George will be with me for life. Biscuit the chestnut went home to her owners.
Brilliant
I use Walk On , Trot On, and [low growl, to high] Can -ter!
My cat has extremely sensitive hearing, like an owl they are sideways on, and hairy, listening for a mouse.
I wonder how pony hearing is designed?
That;s a rather highly strung pony you have there............... you are very brave on the motorway bridge.................
A horse's hearing is very sensitive - also, as you can see they are able to cover the are around them almost 360 degrees by swivelling their ears around. And yes, we often find those with Hackney breeding tend to be a little more highly strung than some other breeds!
Rubber bit with good harness and brakes ; garrenteed to stop; right !
All well and good when you have a foot break stopping it
Is her legs shaved?
Biscuit was clipped by her owners, but must have taken a disliking to the clippers and jumped about a bit so the clip wasn't very neat!
But her itch was on the other side on her left shoulder. You only did one side.
27:48 - 27:55 - he scratched both sides, see - don't worry!