Typical Dutch intersection and cycling [587]

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  • Опубликовано: 18 фев 2018
  • This video explains how a typical Dutch intersection functions also for walking and cycling. More information in the blog post: bicycledutch.wordpress.com/?p...

Комментарии • 136

  • @shmauer9713
    @shmauer9713 6 лет назад +172

    After watching all of the this channels videos I’m convinced the Netherlands is the smartest country on Earth

    • @martijnvv8031
      @martijnvv8031 6 лет назад +9

      Shut up eurotrash... have you ever been in the Netherlands or what ?

    • @czarzenana5125
      @czarzenana5125 6 лет назад +15

      Netherlands is smart with drugs too.
      It's is called freedom if your government doesn't decide what substance you are allowed to use and it attracts a lot of tourists as well. Good education works better than a simple ban and you must be a complete fool if you think cannabis and other soft drugs are more damaging for the body than a lot of regular medication.

    • @thomasabcd2447
      @thomasabcd2447 6 лет назад +12

      Eurotrash on Tour Aah, always fun to see these comments. Propably, youve never been to the Netherlands, as people here dont like it to be associated with drugs. Only in Amsterdam you will see many drug users. The Netherlands also is one of the most advanced countries in Europe, i guess you're a bit jealous, but thats just my thought...

    • @SIG442
      @SIG442 6 лет назад

      Well, it's more common sense then brains on something like this, but thanks I guess :p

    • @starbase218
      @starbase218 4 месяца назад

      @@czarzenana5125Hard drugs (cocaine for example) is still outlawed. And we don’t really like tourists who only come to Amsterdam for the drugs and the red light district.
      But yes, you can smoke a joint for example. And many people do, at least when they’re younger. But we’re also calvinistic, so we usually don’t go overboard with such things. There’s a saying, “act normally, that’s already crazy enough”.

  • @Jerbod2
    @Jerbod2 6 лет назад +177

    This is so relaxing to watch, it's nothing out of the ordinary here in the Netherlands, but the fact that this seems special according to outsiders it makes you think how good we have it here. Great stuff.

    • @ruawhitepaw
      @ruawhitepaw 6 лет назад +14

      This channel has done a lot to make me aware of how road design works here.

    • @AceSkates
      @AceSkates 6 лет назад +1

      Manny Calavera I'm so not used to this that when I visited I kept yielding to turning motor traffic and feeling like a fool!

    • @sagichdirdochnicht4653
      @sagichdirdochnicht4653 2 года назад +4

      I would cry tears of joy, if we could have even half as good street infrastructure, especially when it comes to bicylces. I live in the german self proklamed "bicycle city" of Augsburg and anyone living in the netherlands would judge our infrastrucutre as inacceptable.

  • @Smallpotato1965
    @Smallpotato1965 6 лет назад +150

    Note: this is NOT 'Shared Space'!! There might not be traffic lights, but the intersection has been rigorously planned and is full of indicators of who has priority. I'm just saying this - perhaps unneccesarily - because I'm getting fed up with English speaking countries whose politicians and civil servants promiss 'Real Dutch Cycling Infrastructure' only to take away all traffic lights and then let the cyclists and pedestrians battle it out with the 50 m/hr cars!

    • @mediumrick7667
      @mediumrick7667 6 лет назад +28

      I wish our politicians would promise "Real Dutch Cycling Infrastructure". In the US we're more likely to hear: "This is NOT Amsterdam" from our leaders. We are light years behind.

    • @mediumrick7667
      @mediumrick7667 6 лет назад +3

      @Ralph, we're working on it.

    • @tomm4073
      @tomm4073 3 года назад +6

      50 m/hr cars would be a great invention.

    • @HardWithStyle97
      @HardWithStyle97 3 года назад

      @@tomm4073 No one would ever use cars again once that goes mainstream. Sounds like a plan!

  • @RaphaelIsidro
    @RaphaelIsidro 6 лет назад +70

    Its so satisfying to watch these videos, they are the reason every time I go to work I dream with all the possibilities and I get angry when I see three or more lanes for cars on a secondary street and absolutely no infrastructure for bicycle in my city. There are plenty of space, just no one dares to remove one lane for the motor traffic... Thanks for sharing!

    • @idromano
      @idromano 3 года назад +2

      Same. I live right next to a primary school. The street is a low traffic one, only 1 bus line, but it's ridiculously large and has no warnings for drivers, no road bumpers or pedxing lines on the asphalt. A primary school!

  • @gwho
    @gwho Год назад +3

    what's really a convincing point for skeptics, is the middle fat area only widens at the intersection, so it's not like you need a giant-width divider for the entire length of the road, which would incur all kinds of objections about wasted space and inefficient traffic lanes.
    And the widening occuring at the intersection means cars need to slow down enough to make the slight curvature, acting as a purely natural and 0 energy requiring design, unlike traffic lights.
    And that slight natural curve prepares the driver for an even sharper full 90 degree turn, whether they're making that turn or going straight.
    That slight natural curve also points the driver's slight line directly at the oncoming bike lane traffic, naturally making drivers more aware of bikes and pedestrians.
    it's beautiful.
    a design that is passive, and accomplishes so many things with cheap simple tweaks, like an aikido master.

  • @chisbang53
    @chisbang53 5 лет назад +45

    This makes too much sense. It would never make it in the US.

  • @sognsvann3
    @sognsvann3 5 лет назад +28

    Here in Norway the waitingarea is allways(when there is such a cycleway constructed) to small for a car, so it block the cycleway . It is so irritating, we should do as the dutch!!

    • @inepthabit
      @inepthabit 5 лет назад +6

      Yeah, safe infra really comes down to nailing details like that. Angles and distances need to be right. When wrong it also sometimes pushes people to draw the wrong conclusion, like oh this doesn't work, this kind of infra isn't safe, instead of realising it's just not implemented properly.

    • @TimpBizkit
      @TimpBizkit 3 года назад

      When there is too little waiting area, drivers don't want to rush out on the road from too far back so invariably they will wait blocking the cycle lane.

    • @stephenvanwijk9669
      @stephenvanwijk9669 3 года назад

      Well, financially are you Norg people way better off.

    • @pappy9473
      @pappy9473 3 года назад +1

      @@stephenvanwijk9669 what's your point?

    • @gwho
      @gwho Год назад

      @@inepthabit judging the entire basket as a binary, instead of evaluating each component of the basket, so to speak.
      it's superficial thinkers. arrogant, really.

  • @starbase218
    @starbase218 3 года назад +7

    You’re doing a great service showcasing this to... the world, basically. I’m Dutch but I’m living in London, and cycling here is much more of an undertaking. I’m hoping that the current lockdowns have allowed to more rapidly improve things here. There is a plan to do that, but we won’t see this level of sophistication here for a long time, if at all.

  • @DYNASPORTS66
    @DYNASPORTS66 Год назад +2

    NOTE: All the car drivers started cycling when they where youngat some point so there is a good understanding also between cars and bikes.

  • @ralfrufus6573
    @ralfrufus6573 3 года назад +12

    The German solution would have been a lot of traffic lights. And a lot of waiting times that comes with traffic lights.

  • @camilloiacometti1851
    @camilloiacometti1851 2 года назад +3

    this is pure dutch poetry

  • @mrmaniac3
    @mrmaniac3 Год назад +3

    This is what the US is quite sorely missing. We need to build intersections like this over here.

  • @Cooldisneytripscom
    @Cooldisneytripscom 6 лет назад +23

    This is very close to a utopia!

    • @peter1062
      @peter1062 3 года назад +5

      We don't consider "not getting killed" to be utopia.

  • @pennyroyal3813
    @pennyroyal3813 4 года назад +4

    Living in Quebec we don't have traffic laws but merely traffic suggestions.

  • @09conrado
    @09conrado 6 лет назад +7

    Excellent video and blog post!

  • @yagi3925
    @yagi3925 2 года назад +2

    Excellent design, excellent video. Very convincing. Thanks!

  • @josepartida1711
    @josepartida1711 4 года назад +9

    Wow the Dutch think of every possible outcome. Thinking of not just cyclists and pedestrians, but families with strollers and people in wheelchairs. Here in the US there’s ramps for wheelchairs but even those are difficult for people to use. They’re not level and harder for elderly people to use.

  • @gwho
    @gwho Год назад

    this design is as thing of beauty

  • @ralfrufus6573
    @ralfrufus6573 3 года назад +13

    I call upon my government: Spent less for military but more for cycling infrastructure!

    • @amjan
      @amjan 2 года назад

      If your military is weak, one day you may have no infrastracture to speak of.

    • @DonDadda45
      @DonDadda45 2 года назад +2

      @@amjan are you 12

    • @mourlyvold64
      @mourlyvold64 4 месяца назад

      Then again, if military budgets had been too small halfway the last century we Dutchies would be speaking German,
      if even we would have been born at all. So there's that.

  • @ForbinColossus
    @ForbinColossus 6 лет назад +13

    Please show this to the idiots in San Francisco MTA who plan so-called "upgrades" to infra yet hate to include "waiting areas" for cars and consider bikes last, if at all

    • @lmtada
      @lmtada 4 года назад +2

      ForbinColossus in SanFrancisco, every corner has some screaming drug addict. Shitting, peeing, swearing at every corner. SanFrancisco is disgraceful.

  • @mrichards55
    @mrichards55 6 лет назад +22

    No matter how fit a cyclist you think you are, a Dutch woman on a fully-laden shopping bike will beat your ass.

    • @martijnvv8031
      @martijnvv8031 6 лет назад

      You mean something like this : goo.gl/images/qxJomv

  • @qwerty7573
    @qwerty7573 3 года назад +5

    I'm gonna dream this

  • @TOMESHTI
    @TOMESHTI 6 лет назад +7

    I do not think that I would like to change my country because of the cycling infrastructure, but each time when I ride my bike in the city where I live, I feel really sad and sometimes it is a big pain and effort to cycle. Respect for the cycling. Have been twice in Amsterdam and adore the cycling culture. That's something cool and it really does the magic!

    • @martijnvv8031
      @martijnvv8031 6 лет назад

      And Amsterdam is sort of the worst place to cycle ! To many tourists on rental bikes there.

    • @Paul_C
      @Paul_C 4 года назад

      TOMESHTI it isn't the cycle culture, it is every day life. A car driver is simply a cyclist preferring another mode on a different day. That is what you fail to understand.

    • @AndreSomers
      @AndreSomers 3 года назад +1

      Here's a video from someone explaining he did just that: move to the Netherlands because he finds it so much more livable: ruclips.net/video/ul_xzyCDT98/видео.html

    • @mourlyvold64
      @mourlyvold64 4 месяца назад

      @@Paul_C What made you think he failes to understand that?
      Never a comment without a sneer, huh? Sad, really.

  • @CaptnJackHammer
    @CaptnJackHammer 6 лет назад +3

    Brilliant

  • @gwho
    @gwho Год назад

    A slight improvement could be made even still. Drawing arrows of traffic direction near the pedestrian crosswalk.
    This would make it clear to pedestrians which way to look at which sections of crossings.
    Natives wouldn't need it, but it definitely would only make it more clear to children get used to things as well as to foreigners who come from countries that drive on the opposite side.
    Best part is, this only costs a bit of paint.

  • @mysurlytrucker7510
    @mysurlytrucker7510 3 года назад +1

    Great job thanks 😊

  • @mourlyvold64
    @mourlyvold64 4 месяца назад

    Depending on the character of the side street this could even be improved upon with continuous sidewalks.

  • @ChristopherRayMiller
    @ChristopherRayMiller 2 месяца назад +1

    I got a laugh on a Facebook discussion about a plan to extend a biking arterial along a new commuter rail line in the Montreal area in Canada when I said (as I have before) that I wished the Netherlands could conquer Canada and show us how to do things right. (After all, we helped liberate you 80 years ago; couldn't you return the favour? ;-)

    • @braindump1446
      @braindump1446 27 дней назад

      Fair enough, we are on our way!

  • @markmoreno7295
    @markmoreno7295 3 года назад +1

    I see issues implementing something like this in the US. It would work if: it was used in newly built towns with planned, slower than usual, streets, if the island areas were designed a little bigger, and bikes avoided them during rush hour or fewer people used cars. Please show what is done when the street needs to be dug up.

  • @renei5271
    @renei5271 3 года назад

    Genuine question: at 1:33 why is there a car driving on the bike lane in the background? It seems to be getting out of a parking spot, but couldn't it just go and join the main road directly?

    • @A_Portengen
      @A_Portengen 3 года назад

      It uses a little bit of the cycling path to make a U turn. The main road is a little too narrow for cars to do a U-turn there.

    • @burgerpommes2001
      @burgerpommes2001 2 года назад +1

      in the netherlands there is no parking on destributer roaads so the parking is on the naighberhood street next to the road which is also used by bikes

  • @luiscarlossierpin6205
    @luiscarlossierpin6205 4 года назад +1

    Aqui no Brasil os motoristas de carro passam por cima dos ciclistas

  • @MSTS33
    @MSTS33 6 лет назад

    Don't pedestrians systematically get priority while crossing the main road ?
    From the video it appears not, so I am wondering...

    • @BicycleDutch
      @BicycleDutch  6 лет назад +10

      No, they don't get priority systematically. That is only the case on a zebra crossing. This is an ordinary crossing, so here pedestrians have to wait for a gap in traffic.

    • @MSTS33
      @MSTS33 6 лет назад

      Good to know, thank you.
      Quite odd because in the French Highway Code, pedestrians always get priority at junctions, provided they don't cross diagonally, even when there isn't any zebra (in practice it depends on where you cross).
      Of course in the NL case it is logical, as it would be stupid to loose priority when you're on your bicycle but not on foot...

    • @MrAronymous
      @MrAronymous 5 лет назад

      Pedestrians do have right of way on an 'uitritconstuctie' (google that), which would be typically built when residential roads connect to higher speed roads.

  • @unexplainedwearenotalone3537
    @unexplainedwearenotalone3537 6 лет назад +2

    Dutch open eyes and mind to learn right rules of code.

  • @Michael_Hamburg
    @Michael_Hamburg 4 года назад +1

    Brillant

  • @robbiemurray2797
    @robbiemurray2797 3 года назад

    Where do cyclists turn left into the 30km/h street from the main road?

  • @alaaaldleme3109
    @alaaaldleme3109 6 лет назад +8

    HOLLAND MY DREAM

  • @NicholasLittlejohn
    @NicholasLittlejohn 3 года назад

    So civilized! I saw a few mopeds and motorbikes in the bike lane, why are they doing that?

    • @SatumangoTheGreat
      @SatumangoTheGreat 3 года назад

      There are two types of mopeds in the Netherlands: one with a max. speed of 25 km/hour, these are required to ride on the cyclepath. The other type (max. 45 km/hour) has to ride on the streets (on a road like in this video at least, where the max. speed is going to be 50).

    • @marcushusky388
      @marcushusky388 2 года назад

      Om vooruit te komen

    • @DonDadda45
      @DonDadda45 2 года назад

      It's sadly allowed

  • @gwho
    @gwho Год назад

    look, ma! no traffic lights!

  • @0856458044
    @0856458044 3 года назад

    City clean

  • @greenbag3821
    @greenbag3821 6 лет назад

    Its behind de bartenbrug.

  • @DougGrinbergs
    @DougGrinbergs 6 лет назад +3

    It looks like it works, but still wondering about accident stats.

    • @Arjay404
      @Arjay404 6 лет назад +15

      Don't have the numbers to show you but, accidents are much less common and even when there are accidents the injuries in general are much less severe. (which is a even more important stats because no matter what you do to roads, there will always be accidents because we are human and we make mistakes)

    • @AndreUtrecht
      @AndreUtrecht 6 лет назад +11

      The whole country is like this. It does work, for many decades. Cyclists do not wear helmets.

    • @Jerbod2
      @Jerbod2 6 лет назад +3

      www.swov.nl/en/facts-figures/factsheet/road-deaths-netherlands

    • @michielvoetberg4634
      @michielvoetberg4634 6 лет назад +7

      These are very, very safe. I live in the Netherlands and these intersections are very common here.
      The most dangerous accident (car to pedestrian / cyclist) is prevented by the split roadway and the islands. These intersections always have focus on visibility for motor vehicles. When you are driving you always have good vision on crossing traffic.
      Another common accident (car left turn) is much safer because of the central waiting space which does not interfere with car lanes.

    • @TheMerkat55
      @TheMerkat55 6 лет назад +1

      Trafić rules are meant to prevent accidents. Only when you don't follow these rules an accident can happen.

  • @Michiel_de_Jong
    @Michiel_de_Jong 6 лет назад +2

    Location: 51°41'29.1 N 5°19'03.3 E

  • @bobstephens5599
    @bobstephens5599 5 лет назад

    UK: Let's have another roundabout.

    • @ralfrufus6573
      @ralfrufus6573 3 года назад

      The German solution would have been a lot of traffic lights. And a lot of waiting times that comes with traffic lights.

    • @burgerpommes2001
      @burgerpommes2001 2 года назад +1

      the netherlands has a lot of roundabouts but again with an extra priority bikelane

  • @ucraniam.5282
    @ucraniam.5282 6 лет назад +6

    Me watching cyclists crossing the streets: VERGA, NOJODA, LO VAN A MATAR.
    Me after seeing nothing happened: oh, yeah, this video was recording in The Netherlands.

    • @ucraniam.5282
      @ucraniam.5282 6 лет назад

      Fred Versteeg I got you, and I'm really surprised by how good things are in The Netherlands. In my country, for example, it's extremely dangerous to ride a bike, because drivers are very unconscious and they don't care about traffic rules; to be honest, it is hard to find a driver that respects the traffic lights, the pedestrians or even the speed limits. It's a complete disaster. That's why I'm amazed with The Netherlands system and the level of consciousness of the Dutch people.

    • @martijnvv8031
      @martijnvv8031 6 лет назад +1

      "because drivers are very unconscious" Well, really a miracle they even reach their destination then ! ;-)
      Thankfully drivers in the Netherlands are *cautious* ;-)

    • @czarzenana5125
      @czarzenana5125 6 лет назад +2

      It also has to do with legislation. In the Netherlands everybody knows the car driver always is responsible for an accident that might occur. It might not be the car driver's mistake, but he (his insurance) has to pay for the harm/damage done, no matter what. Pedestrians and cyclists are considered weak road users without license and insurance, other traffic does need a license and insurance by law.

    • @KellyS_77
      @KellyS_77 6 лет назад +3

      Be nice. English is clearly not his first language. "Unconscious" is a lot better descriptor that "un-cautious" for the braindead mobile phone zombies where I live. What the heck is so important that they can't resist checking their phone until they arrive at their destination (or at least a red light).

  • @Janaale
    @Janaale 2 года назад

    Dutch know how to build an intersection

  • @johnf9614
    @johnf9614 4 года назад +1

    If this was Chicago there would be bumper to bumper traffic and idiots would be driving in the bike lane to bypass the traffic. Well done Dutch!!!

    • @mynameisray6174
      @mynameisray6174 3 года назад

      One would hope that if this were Chicago, there would be less people driving cars and more on their bikes in the first place. So much less bumper to bumper traffic and no urge to use the bike lane to bypass another car.

  • @TheGbortnick
    @TheGbortnick 2 года назад

    Fantastic setup but what happens if somebody doesn’t conform to your way of thinking?

    • @amjan
      @amjan 2 года назад +1

      Criminals sit in prison.

    • @DonDadda45
      @DonDadda45 2 года назад +4

      That is no problem if you actually fine the people who don't align with it

    • @mourlyvold64
      @mourlyvold64 4 месяца назад

      They'll cause an accident, obviously. Who'd want to do that?
      I take it even you conform to driving on the right side of the road to avoid such unfortunate events?

  • @stink1701
    @stink1701 Месяц назад

    almost all of these safety and quality of life features are illegal or at best not advised in the US. You might slowdown and therefore upset a driver of a car.

  • @TomZ23
    @TomZ23 6 лет назад +2

    I wish we had this kind of space to implement the same infrastructure in Chicago. But, sadly, many main streets are too narrow to do this.

    • @MeatNinja
      @MeatNinja 6 лет назад +24

      Well yeah this wouldn't fit in the center of Amsterdam either. Many different roads, many different solutions

    • @Arjay404
      @Arjay404 6 лет назад +22

      That isn't a good enough excuse though, the Netherlands also has many narrow roads, especially older pre war neighborhoods, so it's not really a matter of it not being possible, it's willingness. Not every road in the Netherlands follows the same plan, different roads different layouts and rules, the general concepts are there but they get adapted to fit the road.

    • @TomZ23
      @TomZ23 6 лет назад +3

      rjh00 I understand there are many solutions. My comments was referring to this amazing layout in the video.

    • @inepthabit
      @inepthabit 6 лет назад +2

      Old dutch inner cities don't have much space either, but car traffic is limited and calmed there. The main reason the situation above takes alot of space is the service roads for the residential homes. Take those away and it's more widely applicable. But many streets in US cities seem to have plenty of space, It's quite normal there for cars to have more than 2 lanes?

    • @martijnvv8031
      @martijnvv8031 6 лет назад

      I know the US mostly from television (been there once), but as far as I can see it would never happen in the US.
      Why? Because of the 'block' system of the roads in the US. There's a crossing almost every 80 meter ( 1⁄20 mi) and the US is sort of a big place, and with sooooooo many crossings it's just -almost- impossible

  • @absol505
    @absol505 6 лет назад +2

    'Typical', I have never sern such an intersection in my life lol.

    • @martijnvv8031
      @martijnvv8031 6 лет назад

      Where are you from ??

    • @absol505
      @absol505 6 лет назад

      Martijn Vv Netherlands, Drenthe, Overijssel & Gelderland I regularly go

    • @martijnvv8031
      @martijnvv8031 6 лет назад +7

      Euhh so you're Dutch ? Well maybe you should stop playing games and go outside on a bike a little more ??!

    • @absol505
      @absol505 6 лет назад

      Martijn Vv we have normal intersections here

    • @Pfooh
      @Pfooh 6 лет назад +6

      I can find examples of these (or very similar layouts) in Assen, Zwolle, Enschede, Arnhem, Apeldoorn, Deventer, by just doing quick google maps scanning. Not sure what you're talking about.

  • @diffened
    @diffened 3 года назад +1

    One, this intersection started with a very wide space so all these areas could be provided. Two, the Dutch don't spend all their money on weapons and killing people in other countries so can provide things to the people.

    • @mourlyvold64
      @mourlyvold64 4 месяца назад

      Then again much money was spent on liberating the Dutch from nazi occupation, remember?

  • @lmtada
    @lmtada 4 года назад

    Bicycle helmets would help. Looks Like Netherlands have many $5.00/heads. Helmets save lives.

    • @lapland123
      @lapland123 4 года назад +4

      lmtada when you can’t realy cycle you need a helmet. The Dutch can cycle. We don’t land on our heads, arms and legs are the problem. We’re not stupid!

    • @lmtada
      @lmtada 4 года назад

      lapland123 ...lol. Better make your statement at next Tour De France. Having bicycle around world 🌎, attest the helmet will save your life. Seen accidents at 5km/hr that were life changing. Seen accidents at 25km/hr resulted broken bones 🦴. The Netherlands 🇳🇱 step up to plate, and introduce Helmet ⛑Policy. ASAP.

    • @lapland123
      @lapland123 4 года назад +1

      @@lmtada The figures must be wrong then.... All Dutch die on a bike. (Get real)

    • @lmtada
      @lmtada 4 года назад

      lapland123 Never stated Netherlands population likely die riding bicycle (Lapland are you drama teacher?). Most countries have bicycle helmet policy. One would assume, nations that endorse cycling as the Netherlands 🇳🇱. Nations would endorse Policy for cyclists safety.....(cycling pathways, helmets, etc). Guess not.

    • @bertoverweel6588
      @bertoverweel6588 4 года назад +3

      That's how whe notis tourists , they where helmets , whe don't !