Is This Nameless Masterpiece A Paul Delaroche Original Painting? | Fake Or Fortune
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- The team have been called in to investigate a mysterious painting in Castle of Park, a grand house in Abderdeenshire now run as a B&B by Becky Wilson. The painting once belonged to Becky's late husband Neil, an art dealer, and although unsigned he always believed it was something special - a lost masterpiece by celebrated 19th-century French artist Paul Delaroche, whose work graces some of Britain's finest collections.
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One of the best episode of Fake or Fortune. I suggested this episode to one member of this french royal family, he knew this château, because he used to visit his grands parents during his childhood. The painting, the exil of the Royals in 1848 in England, the same painting in bigger scale in the church (south west France), the painting represented in the drawing, the painting on the vitrail in the derelict chapel in Château d'EU. But i think what mostly touched me, it was this lady story about losing her husband and go trough tough times for her family. Happy that this painting brang some good news.
France does not have a royal family.
a privilege to be able to watch this free on your channel, thanks so much
What a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful programme!
I agree with others... with the exorbitant outcomes of so many other works of art that have been on the auction block....how in the world was this not a million or more. The historical value alone makes this priceless.
The artist was popular in his day, and nowadays he is a minor figure. The type of work he did is not in fashion, people don’t commission portraits of patron saint anymore. Nowadays, the majority of the religious pictures they are asking for are Jesus or Mary not St. Amelia. Moreover, the painting was badly damaged. The paint faded badly, and when you compare it to the glorious stain-glass window that was created off of it. It just falls flat.
Because the original owners/painter do not have the infamy of Henry VIII or Van Gogh
Blessings Becky and boys. Well done Neil!
I'm thrilled to have found this video series.
My all-time favorite television program.
Great episode.
What is more, this particular Delaroche should be made into a giclée - so art lovers can own a high-end copy.
@Ivorytower99 - Perhaps if you contact the woman who owns it at her B&B (Castle of Park, Aberdeenshire, Scotland) and make your suggestion, it can prove to be an increased income stream for her. She can include the story of the authentication with the giclée images. Even if she sells the painting, she can retain the right to sell copies.
@@MossyMozart Right. I mean. After having international promotion, you would think she--by Rights, would use the Delaroche image on tea towels, napkins, mugs, t-shirts and calendars, all sold in a "guest shoppe" off the main front door.
I’m not that knowledgeable about the Art World, but this episode was phenomenal in so many ways! Solving a mystery of this caliber was fascinating, so much knowledge, skill, & problem solving are required! Everyone involved was genuinely committed to getting true logical evidence, that was also scientifically supported! Thank you for making this show!!!
I laughed out loud when Philip said the faces on the copy look like they'd been inflated with a bicycle pump!
My favorite sleuthing show .... every single episode is a nail-biter, and the 2 hosts are simply wonderful.
I'm an American, (Irish American) and recently discovered this series here on RUclips. It takes some time to gain a Viewer's familiarity with the Personalities, and as this unfolds in perspective for me, I find that the energy of Philip Mould emerges as the engine that is inspiring all of the individuals that make up the cast of the shows.
His passion for Art and for Truth, his Ethical Pursuit is the glue that binds the whole of their missions and the whole of the show.
Point to my thoughts here is that Philip puts his emotions, of his Passions, in each show as a renowned actor does in their role, and that inspires the quality, supported by each of individual that accompanies the journeys, equally inspired and cullminating in the abundant success of this Show Series.
I'm very much enjoying these shows and appreciate that the British have successfully Produced 2 (that I know of), successful Academic themed TV Shows:
"Time Team" and "Fake it Fortune"
That gives me great hope and expectation for opportunities of a far more valuable Media of Television, even across "the Pond".
Well done ...
Beth
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and Historian
Tennessee, USA
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I've just discovered this series and I am FASCINATED! As an artist and a fan of art restoration I love watching these kinds of videos and it is amazing how the hosts are able to track down the provenance of the paintings they feature.
You are so lucky, Tracy! Oh, what I to watch the series fort the first time, again.
BTW. What did you think of the second episode, (series 1), with the Winslow Homer?
It's an episode which brings out great passion in people! Philip made mention the are working on Series 11, now; or at least recently!
And I'm with you: I absolutely LOVE this programme and tell as man Master artists about it as possible. BTW, You wouldn't happen to have a son named "Daniel"?
It was sold through Christies.. Delaroche Sainte Amélie, Reine de Hongrie
Found at Christies, London
British & European Art: European Art, Lot 238
11.Jul - 11.Jul.2019
Estimate: 30.000 - 50.000 GBP
Price realised: 33.750 GBP
Superb series -- please post more ❤
Getting to know some great dealers can really help one learn and grow, and once they know your heart's desire they will be looking for great finds for you. Looking around my living room I can see a luminist seascape, a 200 year old French tapestry chair, bronze sculptures, a cabinet of curiosities with Tibetan and Chinese objects, bookcases full books and a collection of blown glass from Italy, Germany and, a Chinese lamp, french polished burlwood desk and so on. You are speaking my truth.
It’s so difficult not to forward to the end to find out the outcome!
Such beautiful interiors and art pieces. Like jewels...This family is so blessed.
Thanks for this wonderful programme. I feel heartbroken by seeing the room the former queen created with everything she held on to. It’s not about monarchy or status but loosing one‘s life as you knew it completely and not recovering from it.
God. Imagine that being your home - Unbelievably elegant.
Why didn't they go backwards from 1989 on the provenance? Curious.
Absolutely love Perspective AND Fake or Fortune. So much exquisite work on extraordinary art how lovely ❤️❤️🙏
Words fail me. Great episode. Beautiful.
This episode should be a movie, there are powerful similarities in the love between the french king and queen and those who ended up with the painting the thread that connects the two ❤
Just £75K, for a lost piece of a historic treasure, is quite less. Awesome work by the detectives and their team. The amount of time, work, and research, involved in making these videos, must be mind-boggling.
Love the series. I really wish to have a job like theirs.
start studying art history now. In 30 years they will hire you
Second time I have watched this fabulous detective story. You 2. are such a great team plus the Researcher!! Greetings from NZ.
I like 'Fake or Fortune' series bigly. I've watched about 14 of them. Thanks, and aloha from Hawaii.
Such an amazing piece and story.
Well told. By the time they found the image in the watercolor of the bedroom I didn't care what the final result was, the journey they portrayed to get to that point was so interesting.
Real or not .... its a beautiful painting !!!!
As fascinating and absorbing this series is, in this case, did I miss how and where the painting turned up for sale where Neil purchased it?
I love this show❤
Purchased in 1989 for $500 pounds
He bought it at christies. He was working there at the time hun.🎉
The engraving with the queen and king fleeing, the horses are surrounded...the king I believe has a wrapped painting under his arm!
Amazing
I enjoy the series a lot. My difficulties with these is that the so-called experts don’t take in the small points for instance and measuring the painting and noticed the edges and noticing that one side had a straight line. They should’ve realized that this was different from the beginning, and realized that it had been fixed as far as the painting is concerned on the frame it was on. I’m sorry I’m not an expert.
It makes for better TV to bring in experts to 'discover' such details.
48 years old how very sad.
A fascinating discovery trail and have learned so much about how pigments faded quickly in former times. Also that even a top artist had to do some overpainting some time. Elinor Carleton Smith
Hello... I'm Archie! So cute! You can see they're a lovely family
Yellow & Red are usually the first colors to fade thru sunlight. Also in clothing, thru repeated washing they fade first.
This episode was especially interesting
Artist not my cup,of tea…the presenters? I’m addicted!
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Oh My! I would have bought that painting for 510£ if I could have snapped it up. However the chance it would have shown up on EBay what’re I shopping😉
The gicle'e is a fine idea! Art lover, Terri Spencer-Williams
Claremont was the home for Princess Charlotte and her husband later King Leopold of the Belgians. His second wife was the daughter of the last King and Queen of the French and they both died at Claremont.
If you know the son requested that specific painting from his mothers estate, and you know from the sons will when he died in 1896 that he left his paintings to his son, then why didn’t you look for the will of his son who is definitely dead by now?? You just said you couldn’t find the list of paintings from the sons will and the trail with Cole you never said whether you looked any further! 😡
They didn't mention which son of Duke of Nemours inherited his father's collection, but I understand the problem is that the painting had left the collection by the time of his death. The Queen's grandson didn't inherit it, because his father didn't possess it when he died.
This is my second, the first was Rejected by Don Roberts. Hoping to unearth more.
Sono molto felice per questa famiglia anche se ha dovuto sopportare una perdita così grande
WOW!!!
Non of the addresses for people to contact them about mystery master art will go through. . I am very disappointed .
The painting is beautiful and obviously has the characteristics of being old. The work was painted by someone very skilled, self-confident in his technique and good taste. True or false, the painting is captivating. But the owner's insistence on the subject of money is irritating. For her, greed for profit is more important than art.
I may be a bit thick but the question of the color of the queen's dress in the painting is gold and in the copies the dress is red. In the painting of the queen's bedroom the dress was definitely gold......
They said the red faded
Not finished through yet could the green to blue dress color transition be because of quality of paints back then? I recently read this book the history of colors and it said blue used to be made from a green plant that had a chemical reaction when ground into paste. The old and cheap student paints could have been made from a poorer quality paint than the artist himself so it could be why over time some of the paints changed colors, perhaps a different shade of yellow darkened for shadow was used for the dress highlights. Also a lot to do with HOW MANY colors “existed” back then. There wasn’t nearly the range of nuanced hues that we have today available in individual tubes. Most of the nuanced shades were mislabeled and interchangeably swapped red and yellows and things. So with most artists mixing their own shades there was bound to be variation not to mention that the original painter would have had the finest of the finest new colors.
I think this is a painting of Saint Elizabeth of Hungary... She is also wearing a small patch on her chest over her dress which was custom for the women whose husbands had gone to join the Crusades. This would be in perfect harmony with which DeLaroche used as themes to portray famous women. . .
This is St Amelia, Queen of Hungary
@canterburyjhiguma8387 Thank you ! This would be a nice discovery of sorts for me... I was not familiar with St Amelia... To which King of Hungary was she married ?
@@RoyalSnowbird absolutely no idea. I will leave that googling to you. I'd assume it would have been St Stephen.
@@RoyalSnowbird OK, after a quick search: there was never a queen Amelia of Hungary being a saint, in spite of the name of the painting.
"Maria Amalia and her paternal grandmother Maria Amalia of Saxony, Queen Consort of Spain, celebrated their feast day on July 13.[10] Also Maria Amalia is depicted as this saint in the stained-glass of the Église Notre-Dame-de-Compassion de Paris, with the drawing originally made by Ingres. He tried to find out who she was, but with no luck.[11]
There is no Amelia in the list of Hungarian Queens. The only Hungarian royal "saint" with the title of Queen is Gisela of Bavaria, wife of Saint Stephen I of Hungary himself, but her canonization in the 18th century failed. She was beatified only in 1975.
However there is a Hungarian royal saint named Elizabeth of Hungary, Landgravine Consort of Thuringia (1207 - 1231), who is associated with an event known as the Miracle of the Roses, which is also told of her great-niece and fellow saint Elizabeth of Aragon, Queen Consort of Portugal. This may connect with the floral imagery of the painting.
Saint Amalberga of Maubeuge is also known as Saint Amalia, but her supposed husband Witger was associated with Lorraine. She herself also lived two centuries before the Magyar migration into Pannonia.
There are three Saint named Amelia or a variant thereof. Two noblewomen with the same name were also relatives of the later Carolingian dynasty: Amalberga of Maubeuge and Amalberga of Temse, and they are both official saints recognized by the Roman Catholic Church. There is also a non-noble Amelberga of Susteren.
There is also Amalaberga, niece of Theodoric the Great, who married Hermanafrid, King of Thuringia, whoever this Thuringian connection with Elizabeth of Hungary is questionable at best."
@canterburyjhiguma8387 Hermanafrid ...if he came after St Elizabeth's husband... he is likely her son. Although Saint Elizabeth was Landgravine of Thuringen (Thuringia), this in the day was for all intents and purposes was equivalent to a Queen. Saint Elizabeth of Hungary is my 28th great-grand-aunt as I am a direct descendant of her sister, Princess Anna Maria of Hungary who became Queen of Bulgaria when she married King Ivan Asen II of Bulgaria. Saint Elizabeth could ALSO be my 28th great-grand-mother via another line through her son Herman (This is currently under investigation and seems quite likely so far...). Hence, my interest in Hungarian Saints at the onset. . .
Now, the St Amelie here is likely one more than others you mentioned here... I will get back to you on this a little later. . .
Not me thinking this was Kim and Saul.
Hola cordiales saludos excelente .y Genial . quién se atreve a ofertar por la pintura original del chico de rojo .maestri Della tavolozza Sir Thomas Lawrence colección de colombia y procedencia Europea . Aún existe y espera una oferta decente ya qué pertenece a los grandes genios de la pintura universal @ Jacobo 724
I wish
Man I kinda hope Christie's is a little bit embarrassed that they sold an original Delaroche that belonged to the last Queen of France for 500 pounds...
It is kind of an "oops there" isn't.😂
Fiona looks great in jeans
I wonder if France would be interested... and if so... how much would they pay for it.
:)🙏
Brilliant episode, but once again the 'experts' let everyone down. A quick look at the accuracy and details of the painting when compared to other works done by Paul show that it was not the at same standard. Sorry everyone. I have painted for 29 years and if that painting is an original, you're saying that Paul put forward a substandard painting as a royal commission. They did not spend any time comparing his works to see a general quality. Their desire to make sure that it is the original clouded their judgement. Sorry!!!
Fake investigation. This Delaroche painting is a minor one probably not worth a fortune except for poor art lovers. Even in France Delaroche is barely known and does not not compare with the best Raphaelites.
Hola cordiales saludos excelente . Hablemos .de Arte y Negocios .el chico de rojo de sir Thomas Lawrence maestri Della tavolozza .y de Eugenio Lucas Villamil aprendiz del maestro Goya . Colección colombiana y procedencia Europea disponible a negociar @ Jacobo 724
Loved this series! This will be my third time viewing, I’m sure I will watch them again. All of the presenters are interesting and engaging in their own way. The art and science are interesting and informative. The clients, how they came to have the works, and their reasons for verification are so diverse.
According to Wikipedia, the painting was sold at auction by Christies for 33,750 pounds.
Wonderful, couldn't happen to a nicer family. Kudos to the sleuths!
I just had to be curious...Becky did sell the painting, July 2019, at a Christie's auction. Many of the discoveries that were made in this show were mentioned on the website for the auction. The painting sold for 33,750 pounds. I was disappointed that it did not sell for more with its rich history, though not entirely surprised with the color changes and the overpainting done, which apparently most, if not all, was done by Delaroche himself to repair damage.
All of that and that type of painting is not popular at the moment.
The economy’s really hurt the art market.
I guess when the host has a good guess that the painting is an original, he says it could be as good as 20-30K. But when he knows it's NOT going to be an original, he throws in a few million pounds to make the average of the series look better.
that's better than nothing
It’s disappointing given such a rich history, a gorgeous painting, and the authentication by the reigning expert.
What interesting work they do with this show. I love the idea of tracing down clues in old records from one city to another. It's like re-building history. I wonder why they didn't try working backwards--from where he bought the painting to who had it before, etc.
@J Montgomery good point🤔
they probably did, but it likely didn't go anywhere. they tend to only show the interesting bits lol
What a lovely family, they deserved every bit of this result. ♥️♥️♥️
Somewhat surprisingly, despite all the work done, this painting sold for only 33,750 pounds at Christie's in 2019.
How quirky, here's hoping that Emily's fortunes totally turn about anyway!.
In fact, the 33,750 pound figure actually includes Christie's 25% buyer's premium which goes entirely to the auction house. So, the actual hammer price would have been closer to only 25,000 pounds.
Dammit, have to get a job after all 🥺
Wow.still better then the 5000!
@@CanChikMay I think she said it was 500£…so yes, much better.🖤🇨🇦
What a lovely painting! Surprised by auction price in the end. Nicely done documentary.
What journey of a treasure such as this with historical events, stages of colors and a happy ending. Thank all of you for such a commitment to art and research. To Neil Wilson's wife and boys much happiness to all of you for never giving up on a Royal piece of artwork by Paul Delaroche
I wish that the original "air date" was put into the description box.
loved this series.
I've also just discovered this series - 2023, and so far, just love it. This particular episode was very moving on a few levels. So glad it all worked out. Love seeing all the many experts involved in the searches. On to the next episode!!
These are odd shows. The mixture of art and science is always interesting. The overly dramatic elements detract. It makes these shows sound like they think they don't have much to present, so they try to cover the lack of content by being over the top dramatic.
And as usual the outcome falls to one opinion, which seems absurd. So they worked forward until the next will failed to name the painting by name but how did it come to be for sale when Neil bought it? Why did they not work backwards also?
In so many ways, this show pinpoints the absurdity of the art market. Paintings have value due to whether or not they were painted by a artist currently popular, as opposed to being judged by the work itself. It becomes value by association rather than value by talent and skill.
“Association” is talent and skill. All images are are associations in humans’ brains.
fantastic episode... makes me wonder what happened to all the other paintings painted by Nash in the Queen's bedroom....
Masterpiece Presentation
This is so worthy of a book and a Hollywood film.
Such a wonderful story and series! Perhaps the Producers of the program would update us on whether or not Becky decided to keep her late husband's historic purchase or sell it.
I did a quick search and apparently she did in 2019.
Adding to what Roxanne pointed out, it looks as though it made 33,750 pounds.
The husband got it when he was working at Cristy's in 1989 a bit vague, did he get it from Cristy's, ? if so was there no record of the sale and where it came from, or who put it up for sale to trace it back to.? Cristy's would certainly have records of sales even if it came to Cristy's as an unknown artist. Instead, they go back to where it disappears from ownership of a relative coming forward, great evidence but very strange. ! Hmmm interesting.
Wow. You're right.
I think the husband started his research going back from his purchase date. Where the show started from is when the painting was first created. Possible that the husband hadn't the access to the earliest info. Either way the husband was correct in his belief that it was an original.
Maybe someone came to Christie's, offered this painting there and the auction house wasn't interested, because they couldn't earn much money, by selling a painting in commission for ojust few hundred pounds. And the husband bought it then directly from the vendor without asking to much questions, because he just thought it is a nice painting and 500 Pound wasn't a big risk. Then there wouldn't be any traces at Christie's. The husband had maybe only the name and adress of the seller ... and lost it, or there wasn't any trace of it left, when this episode was produced.
He bought the painting in 1998, but he did his first research, when he showed it at the exhibition of Delaroche at the National Galery in 2010. That's 12 years later. As an art dealer Neil should have shown more effort to resolve the questions around this painting. Surely Neil hadn't all the contacts, which Philip Mould used, and probably didn't had the money to travel much around for his research. But at least it should have been possible for him to find out, that Delaroche painted a picture like he had. In 1997 a book about Delaroche and his paintings has been published. I'm sure in this is somewhere a mention about Delaroche and his painting for the french queen included. That book should have been available for Neil if he would have done some research in a Libary. It's all a little bit spurious...
@40:50 ... I had to laugh at Philip's wording there. Anyway, this was a thrilling episode.
That got me too 😂
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If you want to know more about this painting. It got sold at auction in London for $42,260 in June 11.2019.
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Brilliant!
By far my favorite episode
Amazing. Very courageous of Becky to go through the process not knowing what the outcome would be. I’m glad the outcome confirmed Neil was right, and that it was able to financially support people he loved.
Oh wouldn't it be absolutely fantastic if they could restore the stained glass window? Beautiful.
The town of Eu, which owns the château, isn't so big and rich. I'm sure they will restore the whole chapel one day. Maybe this episode helps to raise money for this project.
Beautiful. The light shines through after 50 years. Great series!!!
its so beautiful! i mean not only the finding the paintings are real or fake,but also the people who are in this program. Its a human history,and it encouages me to trust humanity again,while we are having the crises in the world,specially the year 2022 to the present.---as a fact i have been searching the new series of them, that unfortunately i found very few. they might have some reasons for it, but i almost pray, it is going to be front of our eyes again.i am a musician and a semi,fake???artist. i thought i know about the pigment,canvas/paper or flame,but i newly learned lot from the program. i am so grateful for that.Thank you!! looking forward for further series from Vienna.
Man I'm seriously so fn sad that he didn't get to see the official record amended to be found. That would have been such a good feeling to feel.
NEIL, kind and loving soul, rest in peace with joy.
I’m happy for her. And, that Neil was well remembered.
1- the scientist is a stone cold fox. 2- it's so obvious they knew it was real the whole time (not even finished it yet)
You have to be an absolutely brilliant painter to paint a work of art.
I cannot imagine how incredible it would be to find out that a painting commissioned by the last queen of France, used to create an incredible stain glass window in that queen's chapel, hung in another of the queen's chapels, and finally hung in her bedroom after she was exiled from France during the French Revolution....was just casually hanging around your house since 1989. That would be mind blowing.
How disheartening it must have been for Paul Delaroche to discover the damage to his painting was so bad that he didn't feel he could restore it to its original state!
This was almost a knuckle bitter-it looked like the evidence was all against the claim. Great detective work and a very good show.
Better than many suspense series and movies, wonderful chapter, thank you.
was going to disrespect Phillip's sports jacket but he is just too cool, you wear that well my man!
10:36 Would you have said "Okay" or would you have said "Thank you"? Reply below, thank you.
When he placed that picture in the middle of them and called it the missing link " hopefully" I got shivers all over my body! It'd be absolutely brilliant if this was the missing picture.