Hello people. Friendly reminder that this is basically over. She's gone. If she's coming back, she'll do it. No one knows anything about where she is now, and we won't until she does something. The animation was great, and it's unfortunate to have lost such a great animator≠person. That's the way it is for now. There's nothing gained by constantly bringing up the situation every day. The drama had it's spotlight and the situation ran it's course. Let's all just back off it until something else comes to light. If she can be redeemed by any means, 24/7 attacks aren't going to help. Good day to you all.
I remember it like it was last month, its crazy. I was expecting her to say something for the first few months, now I still every now and then that I see her videos in my recommended check if theres any update
for anyone not sure what the drama is about: sagutoyas groomed a minor when they were 21 and the minor was 17, sent them explicit pictures, and told them to keep their relationship a secret until the 17 year old turned 18. they met when the minor was freshly 16.
@@humanbeeing4780 So you’re saying age is just a number? The victim was a MINOR. Sally is an ADULT. It’s disgusting that you’re defending this. Like my god, is it THIS HARD to have human decency??
@@humanbeeing4780you are seriously being so stupid. Age is MORE THAN JUST A NUMBER! No one cares if the victim was 17, they are a minor. Get things right! If the world is gonna turn this bad, it should just end.
I'm sorry but I can not follow or subscribe to you anymore for trying to groom a minor and silencing them. Do you have any idea of what that could do to them mentally in the future. I really hope they are ok now and that you get help.
It’s really disappointing, it should be more popular too. Sagutoyas has been inspired by many young artists (including me) and she decides to do this terrible thing. And she’s in so many of my favorite maps too. Now everytime I watch my fav maps I’ll have to deal with her being in them. This sucks
Me being autistic, it's extremely hard for me to understand and grasp the fact that all of the people who influence me and my art are becoming horrible or doing horrible things. I attach myself to the art, and I hope that the victims in this case do not see those of us who attach to the art as supporters. I'm deeply hurt by this and I wish the best on every victim
i for real want to throw up i quitted the warrior cats community for a year and then i comeback and ever artist i lived became bad i want to go back to 2018
Oh yeah start off everything with “I’m autistic 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺” go milk your goddamn pity party somewhere else freak-o. It’s not your personality. Not everyone has autism- I can guarantee you don’t you just gotta be “special”
this still infuriates me. the minor is not a “victim :pleading_face:” as a 16 year old (back then) they could THINK and MATURE to make a decision to not step into a relationship with an adult. but no, they did and now blame it all on the other person. im not saying that sally is completely faultless here, yes she wasnt the good one either but the younger one is just stupid. also, you cant call them a “victim” it was just a fucking online relationship, go attack the real pedophiles out there. come at me
It’s very rare I put a comment on something, but this is important. I’m not going to go on a whole tangent on why what you did was wrong, the fact that you told the minor to be silent is an admittance of the fact that you knew it was wrong. You’re the adult, from day one it should have been common sense to shut any attempt at a relationship down. You are an adult, they are a child. You know better. You didn’t care that it was wrong, you just cared if you got caught. It’s genuinely disappointing to find this out, it really is. Do better.
That is true. It’s not ok that they would do this I TOTALLY agree with you . This disgusts me, I thought sagutoyas was better and wouldn’t do this. this is gross and disgusting .
True, but in Sweden the age of consent is 15, and I’m highly positive they knew glitch’s country didn’t allow that. Makes it even worse, but shows that sagutoyas is free from any legal consequences.
Welp, there goes another person who I looked up to... Dude, as a groomed victim MYSELF, (16 year old me and 24 year old another individual) this is just absolutely disgusting behaviour of yours. Nastily grooming in private, keeping the minor be silent about what you two were doing and sending NSFW to them too, not just one - But to multiple. What a goddamn shame... Man, I hope to not see more of your content in future, this is all just so goddamn messed up.
As somebody who was groomed by their own relative as a child, this behavior sickens me and they need to be removed from this platform no matter how long it takes. It takes alot to come out against an abuser, especially when said abuser treats literal pedophilia as a "silly joke" and game within their friend group. You almost start to believe it's okay because everyone's complete disregard for something absolutely very serious makes you feel as if you're the one who is overreacting. I just hope the victim and anybody else hurt by Sally get the voice and justice they deserve.
@@dollybeagle ?Yes talk polite to a groomer of course to ask her get out of the community become a calm person still better than a person who open there mouth to shout, yell, if it doesn't work you can ask her out like Moon do that all.
How hard is it not to groom someone? Pretty easy. How hard is it for adults to date people exactly their age? Very hard. Me and my irl friends are all adults and I'm the only one dating someone the same age as me. Otherwise its 30 and 25, 22 and 20, etc. Adults can do whatever though when dating other adults.
People, I know you're disappointed and desperate, but writing these terrible things like "kys" it is already at a lower level. Behave like adults, we're not monsters, so behave like a civilized person. Keep some comments to yourself and if you don't have to, don't say anything because it doesn't help. By the way, wishing harm to another person is also a crime.
Thinking about harming someone isn't illegal. Actually harming them is. (I do not support Sagutoyas, nor anyone who wishes to conflict harming against Sally, I am just saying. But yes, you are right.)
sally does NOT need to do a statement, she needs to log off, take time to reflect and not immediately drop an apology doc/defense of herself or whatever. i do not give a shit none of this was okay
You have been making the best takes within this comment section, THANK YOU. So many people are making it about themselves and how "I'm so disappointed.. my inspiration 😭🥺🥺....all the wc animators r bad..." when the actual thing to be worried about is the victims, not the groomers fans.
hello, alibi here. Sally reciprocated a response/admitted physical attraction to this individual on a voice call. This is not your place to forgive or lecture and it is up to the people affected/witness of this to deal with it. Stop defending sending p0rn to a chat that held people as young as 11.
EXACTLY!! I've seen people in here talk about how "Erm..they were 17! And thats pretty much an adult!" as if Sally wasn't doing this around people that were LITERALLY 11-13??
@@humanbeeing4780 don’t blame the kid for this you asshole. sally made that choice herself knowing fully what she was doing, she was the adult here. she can handle herself.
She deserves it and I had no idea about it and was still supporting her (don’t know) so yes today I left I comment but I’m blocking this channel forever cuz I don’t support creeps like this
What has the animation community turned into? I only joined a year ago, I wish I could have experienced it before it became toxic.. And I thought I looked up to you. I didn’t think Sally would ever do this, I don’t know how to react to this anymore. This is NOT something to tolerate. The animation community is falling apart, and pedophillia is apart of it. Being a minor myself, I hate hearing what happened. It’s sad seeing the most talented people being such terrible people, I hope the underrated artists and actually under appreciated animators who care get more respect.
There are so many smaller creators out there who don’t get nearly enough recognition for their work. I hope the animation community starts directing their views and love over to us smaller animators, who genuinely put effort into being decent people while creating art on par with the people who’ve been outed for doing horrible things
For those of you who are minors defending sagutoyas, I'd like you to stay out of this as you're not going to understand what makes this situation yucky until you're older. I thought the same way as you guys and meanwhile I was being groomed from ages 15-17. Trust me, it is a disgusting situation and you just need to be older. N I mean that with love and care. You don't have to have an opinion on everything. You don't have to proclaim that opinion everywhere. Sally plans to make a statement: at minimum keep your "I don't see a problem" until after that.
Good comment! I was an underage minor in three relationships with adults and I've still not really got over that totally twisted mindset, much as I want to. Not quite the same as just being young, but there it is.
Okay, I'm not defending her but I AM a minor, but I understand what's going on here and I don't want to be discluded for being younger, please don't make it seem like "Only the older people can intervene."
@@theshrewtheshrewtheshrew Sorry I never got a notification from this until someone liked it recently lol, but I really do think that your comment kind of does prove my point. A lot, actually. Nobody is saying that you cannot understand the situation at a young age, that is nowhere said in my comment. What I am saying is that if you are a minor making excuses for Sagutoyas, you are very clearly not in the right conversation and it is not healthy for you to try and give a reason for why Sagutoyas (an adult) did what they did to a minor. I am saying as someone who did the exactly same thing, that it's an attitude like that which allowed adults to take advantage of it. Adults //should// be the only ones intervening in this specific conversation, if even at all. Trust me, nobody is questioning your intelligence to understand immensely difficult situations. What I am saying is hey, maybe if you are a minor who is actively going to defend someone called out for abhorrent actions, maybe take a minute and remind yourself that you don't have to have an opinion on everything. You don't have to comment on everything, reply to everything, and share everything. You can make your own conclusion, say it privately, and move on with your life. And I say all of this correctly highlighting the people defending Sagutoyas. Nowhere was I discouraging minors from denouncing Sagutoyas. It just. It really isn't healthy: I am saying it with care, and as someone who did the exact same thing at a similar age.
Been a year sense the incident happened. I still wish she would have changed her ways after so many months. But come on.. is it that hard to NOT simp over kids? This is why I left the warrior cats fandom years ago, because of all our famous creators becoming terrible people. It’s just really heartbreaking watching your favorite fandoms rip apart because of all the predators, zoophiles, and toxic people. I will not be surprised if she did come back. Even if she did, I still and will never forget about the terrible things she has done and will never be forgiven.
the roblox community’s animators are fighting urges notive, ribs, konekokitten (not an animator but pretty big influence) and others like wth why can’t you just leave kids alone 😭
DUDE, HORRIBLE?! Wipe your eyes...when will you start to differentiate between harassing a child and communicating with a person 3 years younger than you?
Damn i hope the victums are okay. You were truly an idol to me your animation was fantastic. I wish such talented people would stop turning out to be monsters. I truly hope the victims are okay. And that they recover from this. As for you. I hope you take a break from the internet and.redeem yourself into a better person thats worth following.
That’s what I’m saying! People want them to leave leave and I get that but I am trying to be a calm communicator here. They need a break and to think of what they done. Then come back. They can really be responsible here. They need to reply soon enough. Now people will get heavily toxic to them, send them threats and everything a hater does. I hope RUclips doesn’t remove them here as they are the warrior cat’s fandom used to be favorite.
I don’t think there’s any chance of forgiveness left for Sally. What she’s done is too disgusting and illegal. There should be no place for people like her in this community
@@froggo5365 i never said to forgive them. I just want them to go and take a few years to improve themselves as a person and redeem themselves. People can change. But they have a whole lot of work to do. No one needs to forgive them. But they need to get better. And get help.
if the victim is reading this i hope you're okay and you didn't deserve it. i hope sally de-platforms after what she's done has been brought to attention.
Well the victim isnt a kid. She isnt 5, 10 or even 15. She is 17 if we would wait a few monts nothing would be spoken of. They were sanding nsfw to each other remeber? The victim wasnt a child who was used or something, she knew what she was doing.
@@cygankarumianka9782 The grooming started when the victim was 16 and regardless, 17 is not a legal adult and Sagutoyas was 21 when this began??? And Sagutoyas was the one who first started sending nsfw to the minor. On top of that, she asked the minor to keep the relationship secret??? The victim WASA CHILD WHO WAS used, don't make it seem like Sagutoyas did nothing wrong, that's a bold faced lie.
Dang, I hope you’re doing better these days. What Sally did is freaking sickening. I really hope that the victim or victims are doing well to. They didn’t deserve this.
Fr bro there just straight supporting her EVEN AFTER what she did! They gotta give support to the victims literally its so disgusting we in this Animation meme community have to deal with these kind of goofies
@sisters8919 I was an idiot when I posted this, I thought the age gap was a lot smaller than it actually was at the time, I don't believe she did nothing wrong anymore
To anyone who thinks it isn't a huge deal for a 17 year old and a 21 year old to be dating... dismantle that idea immediately. It is absolutely not okay. First off.. a 17 year old is a 3rd-4th year in HIGH SCHOOL. They are worried about their grades, prom, graduation, senior photos, etc. All things that relate to teenagers and GROWING UP. A 21 year old is likely almost graduated from COLLEGE. This is a thing adults attend as they are already looking for a Job. They worry about car insurance, mortgage or rent, health insurance, buying groceries, drinking.. etc. ADULT things that MINORS should not be able to relate to. Anyone 18 or under is heavily focused on school. I'm turning 21 in a few months and I'm focused on work. My little sibling is 16 and they are working on getting a permit while I've been driving and working full time for almost 2 years now. Do y'all see how different our lives are??? Minors and Adults should not mix personal lives or spaces. In what realm could a minor and an adult relate on a personal level????? When you're an adult you see Minors as CHILDREN. Young adults are often seen as immature as they cannot relate to those older than them easily. On a second note, Sol the victim was heavily inspired by Sally's animations and were charmed by their capabilities and initial first impression of Sally. All rationality tends to go out the window when a teen meets a "famous person" or someone they look up to. I fell to something similar (predatory behavior, not grooming in my case) and I can say that all you really care about is impressing that special person you look up to. Especially if they are successful. Teenagers, I would not recommend actively inhabiting personal spaces with adults. This is for your safety. Some adults out there are extremely creepy and will prey on people who are still developing. Adults, please don't be a creep. If you are having problems with intrusive thoughts towards things you shouldn't... stay away from those things and GET HELP. Don't give in. Otherwise for those who don't experience that, be on the lookout. Speak up when you see sh!t like this. Assure that you know if someone is an adult or not. Don't send NSFW in groups either. Teens lie about their ages sometimes and that's just gross. My heart goes out to the victims and I hope they are able to reach some form of peace from this situation. To Sally, get some help. Your behavior is disgusting. (Edits are grammar errors and censoring swear words as to not get the comment removed)
@@rat_in_a_bucket I think it depends on which country or school u go too. For my country, govt schools refer to them as secondary 5-6 graders in highschool but when following private schooling, it’s labelled as year 11’s, etc
Also this is very well put, when I was 17, I was very concerned about academics and teenager things, it’s also the age length where you’re very easily emotionally manipulated as well just to put it out there
Jeez, people need to calm down in all seriousness. It's insane that even after half a year there are comments flying in telling her to off herself. And why are so many people making this about themselves? "You disappointed me, you were my idol, I despise you now, you hurt me etc.." This is not about you but about her and the other parties DIRECTLY involved. And if she seriously was your absolute idol and inspiration, how come you only hear of all this just now? I can't believe people are still making such a huge thing out of it and act as if they were directly involved.
Ikr??? It's incredibly annoying when people are like "it's a shame we lost such a good artist" like BRO??? Do people even CARE about her victims??? THEY were the ones that went through horrible shit,,,
@@greythelynxYT Oh sorry, yeah, I'm p sure Glitch was the only one, I'm not quite sure why i typed it as if there were more mfndm Still, it's pretty messed up what Sally did to em,,
People just want to have a reason to complain and get involved with drama, or they just really hate Sally because they are disgusted in what she done and want to hear an apology already. I guess people expect popular RUclipsrs like this to just drop an apologetic video but that's not what Sally needs to do, she really needs to apologize to the parties involved only, Sally did nothing to her fandom but create a shock to the community in what she had done. There's even people still supporting her. It really all depends on what people think. Honestly, though, this is the dark side of social media, which causes people to believe that it's okay for an adult to hurt a minor, though in reality, it isn't. Just because she has nice animations doesn't mean that it's okay to hurt a minor. Though yeah, I agree this has been going on for too long with the comments. All we can do is wait, and it's okay to love the art and not the artist.
Me too. She was one of the major people to get me into warrior, and so many of them are getting cancelled. They all deserve it but its sad to see my childhood seeping away.
@biah2274, don't blame yourself, we all were fans of her. she was a good animator, I can't deny that. You are a good person and you have nothing to do with sally's choices.
You disappoint me You disappoint this fandom You disappoint your friends You disappoint your family You disappoint the victims of your crimes You disappoint everyone
Ok yes what Sally did is absolutely disgusting, but don’t y’all think it’s time to move on from this? Like it happened 5 years ago and we all found out last year. I’m not defending Sally in any way ofc not, but I don’t think we should be talking and spreading the news everywhere especially on maps she participated in. Everyone’s gonna get tired of it. Like tbh I’m kinda tired of the drama *Also I hope the victims are doing better now
The victim was an animator also, they quit because of people flooding their comments with it. They said something along the lines of their quitting because people are "harassing them about an incident that happened a year ago.”
I agree. Everytime I come by over here people still keep bringing it up like,,, yeah its unhealthy to keep being involved in it over and over again because that incident happened since 2023. We should not worry about it anymore and basically move on, that's all I would say
An old video of hers got in my recommended today, so I decided to check out this channel since everything went down last year. Not totally surprising she just decided to abandon this account. If anything, it's the ultimate admission of guilt for what she was accused of. Sucks for all of her loyal supporters, and everyone who was inspired by her work. Sally really was an amazing craftsman of animation in the indie space. It's unfortunate such a reputation went down the drain after things came to light. Hope the victim is doing better these days.
I normally don’t comment when it comes to drama, but this is honestly just the final straw. I’m not even surprised anymore, the only word I can use to express how I feel is sheer, utter, disappointment. You were an animation idol to so many of your fans, younger and older alike, and you’ve just turned out to be just like the others, simply letting everyone down. What you people do is honestly disgusting, I hardly think a response/apology will change anything, as if you were truly remorseful, you would have said something ages ago. You’re only sorry you were caught. Just leave the platform and get some help, I’m extremely sorry to all of the fans who were impacted by this news. Edit: Yo guys, better get to archiving stuff lmao
hey word of advise don't refer to situations like this as drama, it's very demeaning giving how this is about someone being groomed and being failed by the adults around them. never mind the fans, focus on you know the people who were actually hurt by this such as the victim in question.
With the amount of wc animators that have been “exposed” lately, I’m just numb to it at this point. Yeah, I was shocked when I first heard of it, but now I’m just hearing it over and over again. It makes me sick. In a fandom FULL of minors, you would expect things like this to be very rare.
Comentario en español que nadie buscaba, pero siento necesario desahogarme donde creo que nadie me encontrará jajaja. Fue una animadora que me inspiró un montón y la neta me pone super triste que tenga tanto talento y haya decidido tomar las acciones equivocadas. En este momento te dejo de considerar como un gran ejemplo a seguir y admirare solo el trabajo. Troste.
I don’t think her channel is going to go down as it’s been two months already with no sign of her at all, she probably just left the internet and her channel will stay up but permanently inactive.
Edit: I have changed my mind. It has been confirmed by Sol himself that Sally sent CP to him, that... no... Ok guys i get what she did was nasty, but we need to understand she did this when she was younger, ik she was an adult but 20 year olds can still be immature. If she returns, surely she'll be sorry. If that happens, we shouldn't yell and push her back, we should help her to improve as a person instead of pushing her back into that pit of shame, everyone deserves forgiveness as long as they promise and never do anything bad like that again. Im not saying you must forgive her, but do not make anyone, ANYONE even if they did bad things, hold that guilt forever. ❤ (Not defending her actions, they were awful, i feel bad for the victims very much. )
@@thelanktheist2626 I respect your opinion. I believe she is sorry, but she won't post anything because she's scared and feels ashamed. I disagree that we should treat anyone like that, she is not just a 'groomer' she is a person, and she can become a better person.
Sagutoyas, you have been a giant inspiration to me and many other aspiring artists throughout their childhood, I remember watching your old map parts over and over because it always invoked such awe in me, I wonder what younger me would've thought. Knowing what you did to a child, a child just like me, a child just like your fanbase, a child just like anyone. And knowing it could have been any child that you have contacted, and yet it was that victim is so disturbing and sad both for you and everyone involved. I hope you get help and change as a person. And the most I hope for is that the victim of your crimes forgets all about you, moves on with their life and becomes infinitely happier so they'll never have to look back at you again. Just like how I wish to do the same with you. Sincerely, from a used to be fan.
Alright, I gotta say again for the new commenters here. Be respectful. Not in the sense that you should respect Sagutoyas for her actions, but in the sense of, respect them as a human being. There's nothing to be gained from the people telling her to off herself or wishing her violent outcomes. It's ridiculous and rude. Just because someone has done something ill does not mean you need to be cruel all the same. She fucked up. But this isn't the end of anyone's world. She absolutely has a road to get better. All the lunatics here saying that people like her have no emotions and are incapable of ever being redeemed in any extent- (Looking at you, "Spoiled,") Are out of line. Period. It is not your call whether she can learn and better herself, that's hers. If you wish not to ever forgive her, that's understandable. But your forgiveness will not change what kind of person she is, or may become in the future. I do not support what she has done, but I do not condemn her beyond help. That is not my place, nor is it yours. Be considerate.
Hey, I wanted to say this, but I am sorry for the comments I've made to you and others on the Geuse videos. I wasn't in the best state of mind and some of my evidence was flimsy at best. I still personally don't support Guese, as I think they have done some messed up stuff, but I would like to apologize to you for accusing you of supporting Sagu I misinterpreted it and you seem like a genuinely good person, it's just that we don't agree on some things.
i see the situation like this: sally hurt someone, yes, but it was several years ago and she deeply regrets what she did. she also has not acted that way in any capacity at all during the years after the event took place. if sol says he feels like he was pressured or put in an abusive situation, then his feelings are valid and i sympathize for him. his experience was real and if he says that thats what happened, then thats what happened from his perspective, and we arent allowed to question it because we werent there. i fully believe that he believes every word of what he says he went though, but… just because he felt that way doesnt meant that thats what *literally* happened. i know this is a very controversial take, but i dont believe at all that this was “grooming”. in order to groom someone, there has to be an established power imbalance that the groomer is aware of and consciously uses to their benefit; ive seen absolutely zero record of sally ever using her popularity, age, or any other form of status to push an agenda or abuse authority. i am of the belief that, as wrong and as we all know it is, she genuinely thought that her feelings for this person were real and reciprocated. i also believe that the reason she hid the relationship was not because she was trying to isolate the victim (as some people have suggested), but because she truly believed that their relationship was the exception and that people just “wouldnt understand”. but she was terribly wrong, and she knows that now. and she has learned and changed her view of the world as a result of that horrible mistake. the public loves to reply to controversy by yelling and screaming at the perpetrators that they “need to change and become better!”, but even when the person DOES change, and DOES better themselves by learning from past mistakes, people are still never satisfied. they want more. the goal for them was never for the person to “change” as they claim it was, they want to ruin the persons livelihood. sally should not have to give up doing what she loves (animating characters from a book series that is important to her) when she has clearly emotionally matured since the incident took place. i believe strongly in forgiveness. not FORGETTING, but FORGIVING. we have all been made aware of what sally did and now we can use this information to be cautious and mindful when engaging with her, or use it to decide whether we want to engage with her at all. it should be up to the choice of individuals instead of everyone trying to cancel her entirely. everyone who engages with her should be made aware of her past, but she shouldnt be deplatformed over it. let me reiterate: I 100% BELIEVE THAT SOL WAS A VICTIM IN THIS CASE, AND SALLY IS NOT INNOCENT. but she made amends and took action to be a better, safer person, and thats all we can ask of someone when shit like this happens. i hope that sol is able to recover, find peace, and live a happy and comfortable life from this point on and im sorry that he now has to carry this trauma with him. if you disagree with me or if i got any of my information wrong, then feel free to reply to me to correct me, but im asking that you please be civil about it. im trying to see this situation from all perspectives.
I agree. People make mistakes and people admit mistakes. But I want to add that first of all, in order for a person to find the strength to improve and move on, he needs support. In many ways, only hatred appears now, which can bury even deeper. I hope that people will eventually understand that if they want to fix something, they do not need to expel the one who has done wrong. They need to help him improve and make amends. ESPECIALLY if the culprit himself IS SORRY and WANTS TO CHANGE. Draw conclusions from the situation, explain to your friends the reason for how this behavior affects society. And then learn to forgive so that everyone can move on.
While I do agree with you that it wasn’t really a kind of grooming situation ( like a RUclips animator, Illymation, went through) I don’t think that Sally just had the relationship out of genuine love and care for the victim. She had sent NSFW images to the victim knowing the victim was underage and seemed to be uncomfortable with it. I don’t know if you had read the Google document about the incident; but Sally seems to be more upset she got caught than genuinely sorry. I don’t think what she did was a mistake, but a choice. I do understand she was younger when she made this choice to interact with Sol; but she was still old enough to understand she shouldn’t send NSFW to a minor. I don’t think it is right for Sally to get away scot free for her choice she made. She knew what the consequences would be ( she did try her best to hide it; telling Sol to keep quiet about it as well) and has even acknowledged herself she will leave the warrior cats community in the statement she gave. I think it’s for the best that she is deplatformed for her wrongful decisio as well as for herself because no matter what she would do in the community, her reputation will always be tarnished and the work she does will always be overshadowed by this. I do believe somewhat Sally was aware that Sol deeply admired and respected her so that’s why she felt she could send him NSFW without getting in trouble and also telling him not to tell people about the relationship. Lastly, I do agree with your sentiments on seeing the situation from a different perspective. Sagutoyas may have grown from this behavior but the only one who truly knows the answer to the question is her. The most we can do is let the natural consequences play out. People are prone to group mentality and will act before thinking for themselves oftentimes. I truly think though, without popular opinion to sway me, that it would be best for Sally to be deplatformed in the Warriors community. She will always have this reputation attached to her and will be treated as an outcast since she is already banned from participating in any more MAPS. The best for her is to find another way to monetize and express her art and if she did truly change, to apologize to Sol, the family, and to not engage in behavior like this.
you have a strong point, but with all this information surfacing, it feels impossible to ever genuinely want to forgive sally or keep supporting her. no matter how much of a mistake it was or so sorry sally feels or how long ago it was, it happened, and sol very likely still has mental scars from the incident, and might even have them for the rest of their life. i do feel a little bad knowing that sally's definetly not going to be able to continue doing what she loves easily, but she's responsible for someone's trauma, and it only surfaced now, telling us that she likely knew about the incident but never publicized it. it's lying to us, basically, and i can understand why many people don't want her in the community because of it.
While I feel like Sally's actions were serious and it's hard to forgive, I agree as well. Or better, I think that she should continue drawing/animating or reading Warriors, but she probably won't post any more of that. I'm potentially against her, but really do like that you tried to "analyze" the situation from different perspectives.
Keep coming back in hope that maybe she changed her ways and is coming back. I really did love her work, shame I can’t see it without the horrid reminder.
As someone who had been groomed (without knowing till much later), , ,hearing this did make me disappointed. I looked up to Sally and here we are again, seeing another animator that the warrior cats community thought they could appreciate?? Yeah no- Can't really now. .I looked up to her and been inspired by her to one day become a great animator. I don't wanna be like her now. I'll now look towards animators whom have good hearts and have such talent that they deserve love and attention on. I do hope the victim is okay, sending many best wishes for them to stay safe and healthy! You're never alone, don't forget that! And I hope I don't see anymore art from Sally, I can't believe she had done something so horrible and disgusting.
Get help man, dont shove that shit under the rug, make a statement, distance yourself and get. help. You did something awful that will hurt someone for years to come, own up to it
I mean I get your comment and youre 100% right but wasnt that stuff from like years ago? Maybe Im uninformed cnsnxndmc maybe she already reflected which would be good
@@tevildech5497 It doesn't matter if it was years ago wtf,, She was the adult in the situation, she should have shut it down. it's her fault and her responsibility. don't excuse it by saying "guys it was years ago!!" It's demeaning as hell to the victims and others, like myself, who have experienced similar situations
Guys, what Sally did was disgusting. You guys need to think again before defending her, she sent CP to a minor. Now, Because it was a drawing it wasnt as serious as a real child being harmed, but still extremely serious because she's sending it to a minor. Stop defending bad people.
I can't belive u would ever do something like that. U were my biggest inspiration and the reason i started drawing/animating :/ and when i saw the first reupload of your work i wanted to cry cuz i am watching u for like 3 years? And i loved every single video and i can't imagine your channel getting deleted but the thing u did.. that is unforgivable
This is extremely heartbreaking to hear about man, I found you out before you became popular and fell in love with your style immediately. Watched you grow into a once well beloved animator. I am so disgusted, to think that I looked up to someone that would do such a thing. My heart goes out to the victims, they deserved so much better than this. What a damn heartless and cruel thing to do to a child.
@@lottavuorinenit doesn’t matter if the age gap wasnt that large, she still took advantage of the person when they were a minor and told them to keep it a secret. And 4 years can be a large mental age gap.
Guys, it's literally been a year...cant you all know how to forget..? This whole situation happened about 5 years ago and i agree what sally did was totally not okay, but dont you guys think we should hear her side of the story? Im not saying glitch did ANYTHING wrong but maybe he could have left out bits of the situation maybe sally could have told us? Because it seems unsual to me that he kept silent for 4 damn years to tell us this that he got sent a picture of his and sallys oc touching noses then after like 10 months it was revealed she sent cp to him which im kind of confused about..its kind of hard to explain what i think though because what was the point of waiting 4 years and 10 months to tell us this. Its strange for me if he hadnt blocked her and exposed her in the first place then just telling us when he can. Whats wrong with that? Unless something else had happened? You know its NOT embarrassing to say that somone has done bad to you unless you have done something aswell? Im not trying to accuse glitch of something though dont think that way. Also, if dont think sally manipulated glitch as all she said was express her feelings to him by sending a picture of their ocs touching noses and 'telling him to keep it a secret' all of you are acting like he was being held at gunpoint or something. (I cant find the right words to say this and you might think im on to nothing but i still believe sally has right to say something about this whole 'drama' and defend herself.)
I agree like why did Sol keep quiet the entire time and this is something i have been thinking about for soooooo long: it is legal at where Sally lives to be in love at a young age and so if our rules are different why do we care? It is there laws so nothing is wrong and we ABSOLUTELY pushed her off the internet.😢😢😢
Hi I’m using an alt because I personally don’t want to be involved, because as we know the situation is horribly terrifying. Also, I’m 23. I am not a victim of grooming but I did extensive research and reread the screen shots many times to understand the situation to the best of my ability. The fact that Sol didn’t reveal the extent of the abuse isn’t really surprising at all. He said it himself, the content was disturbing, and he didn’t want to show disturbing stuff to a wide audience, many of whom are minors that looked up to Sally. The misinfo in the comments forced his hand, he had to tell the full truth traumatic as it may be and even then he STILL didn’t want to show pictures because it’s inappropriate. Why did Sol keep quiet for 4 years? Not everyone who’s young recognizes the red flags of grooming right away, thus don’t realize the harm until they’re older. Sol said he was 16, and also highly idolized Sally and put her on a pedestal, which put Sally in a position of power which she took advantage of. Telling Sol to keep quiet is a tactic to isolate and make sure nobody knows Sol was in danger, “don’t tell anyone, don’t tell your friends, don’t tell your family, tell nobody,” this was a tactic used to keep Sally out of trouble with the community, and the law. Also there aren’t screen shots of everything, like things said in voice chats. Sol mentioned in comments that he and Sally talked over the phone and Sally asked to meet Sol in person, this is from voice chats so you take Sol’s word for this. When I read that, I wanted to barf. Nice adults don’t tell children to keep secrets, and nice adults don’t invite children to meet them in secret. Edit to avoid confusion regarding this part. A child telling another child to keep a secret is fine, an adult telling another adult to keep a secret is fine, because these are at similar maturity levels so they understand better. An adult telling a child to keep a secret, is a little questionable because it normalizes the concept in the child’s mind and makes them more vulnerable to dangerous adults telling children to keep secrets to keep their own reputation safe while they commit the crime. If you are young, and someone older tells you not to tell anyone that you two are in contact, *PLEASE* tell someone. Please. It is not safe to hide something like that from people who can protect you. It doesn’t have to be a romantic relationship for this to be dangerous. Regardless of what dynamic is going on, if an adult tries to isolate a child in ANY way using secrets, it is grooming.
I've seen so many of the comments here and im here to say my bit because I have been around for quite a while. Honestly I do not know what to make of this. I don't know what is all true except for the things that have been repeated too many times to be rumors- so I'll believe what the comments keep repeating and what I've seen on discord and TikTok. I do truly hope that you can explain yourself and your actions before I choose if I am completely against you, or just on the edge. Take the time to make a proper explanation as well as to apologize to the victim. Like many others, you were a big idol to me and I always got excited when I saw your work in videos I enjoyed watching, it will suck if this situation takes yet another important thing away from me.
I was just finding about of Sally’s behavior and I’m disgusted as hell. I loved her art and when she participated in a map, I would go bonkers. Cant believe that she would do something so awful and disgusting. Why must the world be this way?..
Yeah thats quite dumb, I guess I understand the fact some people are disappointed because they looked up to the artist, but why so much drama when they didnt suffer her behaviour 🤔 we should just keep it between the people that are truly in the situation
Wow. You were one of my favourite animators, and I actually trusted you to be a good person. Your actions were inexcusable. I'm so, so damn disappointed in you.
@@-bakedbean-1006 this teenage was 16, which is the legal age of consent, she told him to keep quiet yes, but there is a million reasons. Including all the people accusing her of being a p3d0phile. Also, it’s *VERY* likely that Sally ki//Ed herself recently and that’s most certainly because of people on the internet, no matter how much you hate her, you people being so rude and attacking them, likely ki//Ed them. What do you think about that?
Bruh idk why yall people still commenting things like, ‘You might come back, but you will never be forgiven’ ,like who are you? This person could make a whole other account with a bit of practice for a different art style and not give a f about this channel. y’all’s forgiveness means nothing to them. They don’t know you, to them, you’re a nobody.😐 I personally don’t care about this channel and never have, but seeing you guys still out here after all this time is just sad and pathetic.
God can we have one great animator that isn't a fucking sicko??? I'm very disappointed, as someone who used to be so inspired by your work, I cannot continue to support you anymore. I hope all of the victims are doing well and recovering swiftly.
Will you guys STOP YAPPING about the situation? Even if the minor knew what she/he was doing, it's pedophilia, and the adult is responsible, noneoftheless, you guys ATTACKED the victim of this, you have NO PART, NO SIDE, nobody knows what really happend, so STAY OUT OF IT, it's not your business, it's not your problem, you don't know anything, this could just all be a lie, no I'm not defending either, we don't know shit.
OH MY GOD, thank you!! this is 100% correct, it’s unfortunate and very upsetting these things happen, but unless you have full intell other than basic info, it’s best not to engage, we don’t know what went on in full detail.
Before I see any more Sally defenders, it's over. She admitted to all of it, every last bit of it on the very same day the callout came out. You can all get off the copium now, you can all stop crying and screaming for the proof which was right in front of your eyes and then denying that it's real. There are victims in this situation, and none of them is Sally. She was an absolutely disgusting person behind the scenes and the truth came to light. Now it's not your place to forgive her. Only the victims can, and the only people she apologized to are her friends, she has not apologized to the victims that we know of. She is sorry she got caught, not sorry for what she did. There is a huge difference between the two, that most people defending Sally will learn to recognize in the future. The statement was leaked and posted on the blue bird app, she made a statement on the day the callout was posted in a private server with people she trusted, and was promptly kicked after. The apology was pathetic and directed at the wrong people. Right now, one of her victims is facing a really tough situation directly because of Sally and needs to move out of their home in order to escape. Yet Sally remains silent, instead of trying to use her platform at least one last time to help the victim she put into a situation of real physical danger. Sally will never have a place in the warriors community anymore, at the very least, the adult part of the community will make absolutely sure that she stays away from the community and especially from children. Her harm is already done and she's not doing anything to fix it. She's just hiding like a coward, it speaks volumes on her character. What a truly horrible person.
Sally I really looked up to you. Ever since I saw one of your map parts 4 years ago I have loved it and always looked forward to seeing more animations from you. Since I was 9 I have been inspired by ur videos and it makes me sad knowing that another artist has been found of some type of grooming or crime :(
@Fake Accounts for me is the wait time. She did this 4-5 years ago and hasn't made an apology? I would've taken great respect for her if she decided to do it even when nobody but the victims knew. That'd be proof she became a better person. She didn't become a better person, she decided to hide until she was outed to make a statement.
Same. but i'm sure most people feel that way. she was mt idol when i was 9, now that i'm a preteen and watching vids on Yt about all she's done, i hate her now.
Same, she used to be one of the big warriors animators that I looked up to. Probably the one I looked up to the most. I don’t like her anymore due to what they did
Sparky nooo Edit: I do not support sagutoyas and am glad they got kicked out, do not feel guilty if you still like their artwork. Yes, they themselves are a bad person but their art still is skill and talent. I like their art and always will, nothing can change that. But I do not support or like sagutoyas themselves. If they do delete their channel/take down their content. I will make a Playlist of reuploads of their maps or most of their map parts. Thanks for understanding. And you might be wondering why would I reupload a groomers content? Some people might like the art/map itself Some might want to watch it without directly supporting sagutoyas And some might want to still watch it once/if they take them down/delete channel *If you have any questions about sagutoyas's actions or other things, feel free to ask*
I'm very disappointed You were one of my favorite artists and I always loved seeing the art you created but after the current news it's upsetting to see so many good artists to turn out to be terrible people I hope the victims do find their peace and take time to heal. I wish them the best with their healing journey and their lives. Anyone who might read this please be safe, the internet is not safe at all. There's too many people being called out for this issue alone and it's terrifying at the number. Please watch out for the people you talk to and to tell someone if you find suspicious actions to someone you trust. I know you might hear that a lot but it's true, too many kids are victims to these terrible people. Stay safe reader. We all are disappointed.
I hate every single person trying to defend her. She actively told the child she was grooming to not talk about their relationship untill they were 18, she knew it was bad, she knew she was in the wrong, she knew it wasn't okay.
I'm just curious were the minor's guardians aware, or they didn't want them to talk about it "on public"? No one has stated that yet and I don't have access to the doc
For those people who do not understand why people are mad at Sally, I'm here to explain what I think is the reason. Back then when Sally was 21, she gr00med a child and silenced them. After others found this out, they were disgusted, disapointed and ashamed of her behavior. This caused her to lose many subscribers and fans. This behavior should not be happening, and Sally if you're reading this, you should be ashamed of yourself for being involved in this act. It's disgusting and horrid. Even if you're sorry, it won't make up for the horrible behavior you caused. You disapointed this fandom and it's not okay. And for all people who have been gr00med before, I am so sorry for you. No one should EVER have to deal with that, and I hope you're doing better. Thank for taking your time to read this, and I hope you understand why Sally is getting so much hate.
The worst thing is, she's only apologizing because she was outed. She's not apologizing because she knows she hurt the victim, or because she disappointed her fans, she's apologizing to try and keep her spot in the Warriors fandom. Sagutoyas, if you see this, I'd like to suggest one thing. Apologize to the people you hurt most. Such as: The victim(s?) Your family Friends Fandom (EVERYONE) Oh, and did I mention the victims? You were a major inspiration to MANY artists out there because of your talent and beautiful work, and that must've felt amazing for you. But, now that you've been caught? It's all gone to waste. I really wish the victim(s?) the best, and for them to never have to talk to you again. I think I speak for all of the fandom when I say you're disgusting. Not even the most sorry statement will make this forgivable.
it’s actually kinda funny how she thinks she can apologize and be forgiven when she’s been hiding this for about 5 years. sorry but hiding that kinda stuff and only being “sorry” because you were outed doesn’t look very good for you!
Why does every single artist suddenly turn out to be a piece of absolute shit? Man, i grew up being inspired by so many animators and all of them turned out to be horrible people
Why does every single popular artist end up bring an absolute piece of shit? Your art is what inspired me to join the wc fandom and start making art myself, but now I feel guilty for even enjoying your art in the past. I hope the victim(s?) is doing okay, and I’m glad everything has been brought to light.
@NATRIXx the victim was 16. And they met when he was 15 and she was 20. She gr00med him. Made him think that their relationship was okay despite the the fact that she was a grown ass adult and he was a minor. That's a crime, it's illegal and your defending it. Sagutoyas even admitted to it so idek why you're still defending her. Give it up
@@TiredWierdCat A few other artists that have been exposed are Foxi Boxi, Artblock Studio, & EphemeralMoth. Ofc there are way more, but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
I know a lot of people are trying to defend Sagutoyas and argue that 17 is basically an adult or that we should just let the situation go, but the thing that irks me is that Sagutoyas hasn't apologized for any of her actions. Until she comes out and apologizes to the victim and tries to make up for her actions, I can't see how anyone can defend her. I mean, that's the bare minimum, and even then, I wouldn't forgive her, but at least I could hold some semblance of respect for her. Additionally, even if the victim was, let's say, 21, they were still shown NSFW drawings without their consent and asked not to tell anyone about it. (Showing someone pornographic material without their concent classifies as rape in some cases) That's a crime no matter what age
Actually she did ‘apologise’ but it was more saying “I didn’t do anything wrong me and my friends thought it was a cool way to act ‘at the time’” rather than an actual apology!and I agree even if the victim was 17 gr00ming is gr00ming!No excuses!
Has anyone seen Sagutoyas at all? No social media of hers has been updated in quite some time, and I’m not sure if her Discord is still up. (As I am not extremely active on there) did she dip out because of her exposure or did something else happen?
I don't know. People may have contact with her. No clue. I just think she is giving her channel up. My personal opinion though. I am not stating facts.
@@neofrxstI know this is kind of old so I'm sorry if this bothers you, but what's the history between those two?? I haven't been able to find anything about them, I've been researching more on Sagutoyas ever since they were outed as a terrible person
@@amycontreras410 They are gfs, and aspen shadow has said they support sally through the "false claims" even though Sally admitted to the relationship with a minor. And, no, it doesn't bother me much cuz i get very few notifs anyway :3
Some kind of 'groomers" nonsense was spread by kids without even realizing what it really is. Do you even have sex education in schools? Most ofter for my cultural pattern between 20 years old and 16 years old the difference even in knowledge and understanding of special things is minimal. So their friendship grew into a relationship somewhere closer to the age of 21 - 17. This is generally the time when the first relationships occurs, in their case the internet game of relationship, at least we didn't even see anything about close contact. And certainly none of them were surprised by these sent anime pictures, what we have seen in screens, at that age. Especially considering that the Guy created a server with other friends with such pictures, he invited the Girl where she voiced fanfic for "lulz" like people do on youtube, but there is some teenagers in serv. Does this mean that if Girl and Guy did not leave from there right in that moment, then She and He are pedofiles? No, this means that they were dumb and did not evaluate the situation in any way. Even the Guy himself wrote that in apologaze later. It happens that young people just didn't understand social conventions and didn't care about it at that time. Like when students behave vulgarly, swear and tell bad jokes in the presence of teens. Otherwise, the two of them had a relationship, not aggressive one, but we see right here why she was so embarrassed about it, and totaly it her first, as she were on the path to accepting that she was a lesbian, probably that why she was so trying to be in love with the first friend guy who gave her sympathy. And I knew that this community has many of autistic fans, which is very cool, and a lot of children, but it creates such pictures of a lack of understanding real human relations. Which leads to completely vile consequences with mindless attacks on a person.
she literally told the victim to keep the relationship a secret, meaning she knew it was wrong and she went for it anyway. if you are 20 you should NOT be dating someone under the age of 18, it's literally not that hard to just date someone your own fucking age. is she a pedo? no, the proper term is ephebophile. also she literally had a groupchat called "yaoi clan" that had minors in it and she sent them yaoi porn and would read yaoi in the VC of this chat... with the minors in it.
As someone who saw the google doc, I feel I’m lacking context for the evidence. I have plenty of evidence but not much context around it. We have Sally telling the minor to be quiet about SOMETHING. We’re told it’s the relationship but we don’t actually KNOW that. Where’s the rest of the thread? I need more before I jump to a conclusion. Sally, please respond to these accusations, nobody WANTS you to be the bad guy, that’s just what we’ve been given. Sorry if it seems I’m supporting Sally’s actions, I’m not, I’m just stuck in a position where I don’t know enough to make my own conclusion. I’m studying forensic psychology, and I’ve learned that jumping to conclusions can lead to dire consequences. To anyone who still supports Sally, I’d advise you to question your support but DO NOT make a definitive decision until we are 100% sure. This evidence lacks the context to be substantial. I don’t expect people to agree but I personally, need more information, not just word of mouth as I, as a writer, have been able to twist words to my advantage so I do not trust them unless they come from the source. To anyone who actually read my comment, wow, you actually read it. I’m not looking for an argument, just an understanding. If anyone has any extra pieces of evidence, please step forward (to reiterate, I HAVE seen the google doc, do not send that). EDIT: I just saw a community post from someone involved and I now have a better understanding of the situation. I am very sorry to anyone who was taken advantage of by Sally and hope you get the help you deserve. To Sally, I wish you get help and whatever karma comes your way, you deserve it.
Fae is in Lequarious’ server with you and me but don’t dm them, I think some info isn’t ready yet? From what I know the victim hasn’t given explicit permission for some things to come to light as of yet, and that is their right. But the evidence is damning and we have evidence of sally sending p/rn to minors, multiple times, which is enough.
@@brolylook I know of the evidence which I was given is still really bad. I’m only hoping to get some more context at some point to clarify the whole situation. I do not think Sally is in the right in any way, I just hope there may be an out for them. I’ve never been fond of canceling people especially when they have learned from their mistakes. We do not know if Sally has learned or not, which does not change anything that has already been done it is only my hope to see good in people. Maybe I’m stupid for wanting to help bad people be better but that’s the kind of person I am.
I understand that you are not supporting her actions and all but there is a clear Proof that they sent NSFW 18+ Images to a minor and I think that alone is terrible. But I do understand what you are trying to say.
@@dogswarrior596 thank you for understanding and I agree, that alone is enough proof to cause an outrage and is undeniably horrid. I do not expect Sally to go without punishment in some form, and if the victim wants, they can take it as a legal case in court.
Thank you so much for participating! I’m really happy to see Bristlefrost in your style
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Please tell me they were taken out the map
@@detectiveeli2597 they were ! Thankfully
Hello people. Friendly reminder that this is basically over. She's gone. If she's coming back, she'll do it. No one knows anything about where she is now, and we won't until she does something. The animation was great, and it's unfortunate to have lost such a great animator≠person.
That's the way it is for now. There's nothing gained by constantly bringing up the situation every day. The drama had it's spotlight and the situation ran it's course. Let's all just back off it until something else comes to light. If she can be redeemed by any means, 24/7 attacks aren't going to help. Good day to you all.
she died?
@@Macyorn No. She vanished from the community.
@@Macyorndon’t think so. Just means it was devastating to hear that a great animator was a predator
She might have just ran away, right after her secret with her and that minor was revealed. she's probs hiding from the internet
She can’t really be redeemed, I hope she doesn’t come back, she’s a monster
Year later…..who else came back to see if anything had changed 👇🏻
Ye
I have :
Yeah…
I remember it like it was last month, its crazy. I was expecting her to say something for the first few months, now I still every now and then that I see her videos in my recommended check if theres any update
Idk but I refuse to even subscribe or like any of her videos after what she did
Giving free hugs to the people who grew up and got inspired by their animations, what they did was not ok and is incredibly disappointing :(
Thank you, I’m really just super disappointed at this behavior.
I can’t even go on with my day knowing that someone I liked for three years has done this
Thank you, it’s super disappointing:[
I’m so disappointed rn
I’m so upset about hearing this bro
I can’t trust my favorite artists anymore.
@@WillowstarAnimates exactly. Like I’ve been supporting this creep for FOUR YEARS????
for anyone not sure what the drama is about:
sagutoyas groomed a minor when they were 21 and the minor was 17, sent them explicit pictures, and told them to keep their relationship a secret until the 17 year old turned 18. they met when the minor was freshly 16.
Uh
Okay
17 is not the same as 7… the “child” was like, what, four months away from being an adult?
Also this was 4+ years ago so
@@humanbeeing4780 So you’re saying age is just a number? The victim was a MINOR. Sally is an ADULT. It’s disgusting that you’re defending this. Like my god, is it THIS HARD to have human decency??
@@humanbeeing4780you are seriously being so stupid. Age is MORE THAN JUST A NUMBER! No one cares if the victim was 17, they are a minor. Get things right! If the world is gonna turn this bad, it should just end.
@@humanbeeing4780and WHOC ARES IF IT WAS 4 YEARS AGO? She still did it! God, learn how people don’t forget!
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I got'chu bud might be two weeks late but eh worth it@@Berryheartiscomingforyou
It was like five years ago and they continue to cry about it
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@@LynxieDraws_ how’d u find my comment 😅
@@Your_LocalVibez I was just scrolling through looking through all the drama lol
I'm sorry but I can not follow or subscribe to you anymore for trying to groom a minor and silencing them. Do you have any idea of what that could do to them mentally in the future. I really hope they are ok now and that you get help.
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@@WAZZP. what are you doing here 👹
@@keegandempsey1858 i’m dumb who are you
It’s really disappointing, it should be more popular too. Sagutoyas has been inspired by many young artists (including me) and she decides to do this terrible thing. And she’s in so many of my favorite maps too. Now everytime I watch my fav maps I’ll have to deal with her being in them. This sucks
@@WillowstarAnimates I know she also inspired me and its so disappointing and messed up
Me being autistic, it's extremely hard for me to understand and grasp the fact that all of the people who influence me and my art are becoming horrible or doing horrible things.
I attach myself to the art, and I hope that the victims in this case do not see those of us who attach to the art as supporters. I'm deeply hurt by this and I wish the best on every victim
i for real want to throw up i quitted the warrior cats community for a year and then i comeback and ever artist i lived became bad i want to go back to 2018
I'm autistic as well, I just find it hard to believe. Sometimes I think I dreamt the whole Sally thing out. But at the end of the day...did I?
Oh yeah start off everything with “I’m autistic 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺” go milk your goddamn pity party somewhere else freak-o. It’s not your personality. Not everyone has autism- I can guarantee you don’t you just gotta be “special”
this still infuriates me. the minor is not a “victim :pleading_face:” as a 16 year old (back then) they could THINK and MATURE to make a decision to not step into a relationship with an adult. but no, they did and now blame it all on the other person. im not saying that sally is completely faultless here, yes she wasnt the good one either but the younger one is just stupid. also, you cant call them a “victim” it was just a fucking online relationship, go attack the real pedophiles out there.
come at me
@@Birbzz while I agree, an adult dating a minor is still a pedophile.
It’s very rare I put a comment on something, but this is important. I’m not going to go on a whole tangent on why what you did was wrong, the fact that you told the minor to be silent is an admittance of the fact that you knew it was wrong. You’re the adult, from day one it should have been common sense to shut any attempt at a relationship down. You are an adult, they are a child. You know better. You didn’t care that it was wrong, you just cared if you got caught. It’s genuinely disappointing to find this out, it really is. Do better.
couldn’t have said it better, her behaviour is gross and i stand by your statement completely
That is true. It’s not ok that they would do this I TOTALLY agree with you . This disgusts me, I thought sagutoyas was better and wouldn’t do this. this is gross and disgusting .
True, but in Sweden the age of consent is 15, and I’m highly positive they knew glitch’s country didn’t allow that. Makes it even worse, but shows that sagutoyas is free from any legal consequences.
@@BitterCyder yes, sadly that’s true. The fact that Sally very likely knew that and used it to her advantage is deplorable and shameful.
4 years is not a big age gap. Ya'll are overreacting
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omg i love that for us!
Raise your hand if you’re still waiting for an update
They were caught grooming and trying to silence their victim.
@@Cricketcheep I know, I meant those who’ve been waiting for Sagutoyas to say anything regarding the situation
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Welp, there goes another person who I looked up to...
Dude, as a groomed victim MYSELF, (16 year old me and 24 year old another individual) this is just absolutely disgusting behaviour of yours. Nastily grooming in private, keeping the minor be silent about what you two were doing and sending NSFW to them too, not just one - But to multiple.
What a goddamn shame... Man, I hope to not see more of your content in future, this is all just so goddamn messed up.
Man/Ma'am can you calm down and talk polite please?
As somebody who was groomed by their own relative as a child, this behavior sickens me and they need to be removed from this platform no matter how long it takes. It takes alot to come out against an abuser, especially when said abuser treats literal pedophilia as a "silly joke" and game within their friend group. You almost start to believe it's okay because everyone's complete disregard for something absolutely very serious makes you feel as if you're the one who is overreacting. I just hope the victim and anybody else hurt by Sally get the voice and justice they deserve.
@@dollybeagle ?Yes talk polite to a groomer of course to ask her get out of the community become a calm person still better than a person who open there mouth to shout, yell, if it doesn't work you can ask her out like Moon do that all.
@@KebleStone what
@@dogtism what? 👀
How hard is it for adults to date people their age holy fuck
But in all honesty my heart goes out to the victim, you don’t deserve that man
@@Vortexiez Like really though, is it that hard to not groom someone?
How hard is it not to groom someone? Pretty easy. How hard is it for adults to date people exactly their age? Very hard. Me and my irl friends are all adults and I'm the only one dating someone the same age as me. Otherwise its 30 and 25, 22 and 20, etc. Adults can do whatever though when dating other adults.
@@Draconicdisciple I think they meant that in a way of adults not dating 15 or 16 year olds but I get what you mean.
People, I know you're disappointed and desperate, but writing these terrible things like "kys" it is already at a lower level. Behave like adults, we're not monsters, so behave like a civilized person. Keep some comments to yourself and if you don't have to, don't say anything because it doesn't help. By the way, wishing harm to another person is also a crime.
thank you for being civil
fr no one deserves to be told to kys
Thinking about harming someone isn't illegal.
Actually harming them is.
(I do not support Sagutoyas, nor anyone who wishes to conflict harming against Sally, I am just saying. But yes, you are right.)
If only there were more people like you the world would've been pure gold
Omg they were sending death threats!?
God I’m so disappointed how hard is it to not be a creep to children?
I guess very hard for some people.
Astronomically difficult apparently 😒
ONG
Im not trying to defend her, but sometimes people are ill and just can't see that what they are doing is disgusting and horrible
@@magorzatamaniak3454 Your comment should have ended at "I'm not trying to defend her"
sally does NOT need to do a statement, she needs to log off, take time to reflect and not immediately drop an apology doc/defense of herself or whatever. i do not give a shit none of this was okay
immediately apologizing to her fans is so stingy
REAL. LITERALLY
This is Very true
You have been making the best takes within this comment section, THANK YOU. So many people are making it about themselves and how "I'm so disappointed.. my inspiration 😭🥺🥺....all the wc animators r bad..." when the actual thing to be worried about is the victims, not the groomers fans.
Ong
Flip personal jesus, you need a personal GOD
Jesus aint god tho
Can u shut up attacking sally wont help
hello, alibi here. Sally reciprocated a response/admitted physical attraction to this individual on a voice call. This is not your place to forgive or lecture and it is up to the people affected/witness of this to deal with it. Stop defending sending p0rn to a chat that held people as young as 11.
EXACTLY!! I've seen people in here talk about how "Erm..they were 17! And thats pretty much an adult!" as if Sally wasn't doing this around people that were LITERALLY 11-13??
thank u for the info! what i read on twitter really watered it down which was annoying
Why were 11 yr olds on discord though
There’s an age limit for a reason
@@humanbeeing4780 don’t blame the kid for this you asshole. sally made that choice herself knowing fully what she was doing, she was the adult here. she can handle herself.
@@humanbeeing4780don’t blame the kids in this situation
These comments are not it. I don't care what yall think age of consent is 16 years old is a CHILD.
Well not EXACTLY a child, Teen but still just as nasty
ok but roald Dahl a word famous author has a 20 year age difference with his second wife 😟
Sometimes when I get bored, I come to this comment section to see what people are arguing about. Funny stuff if I’m being honest 😂
SAAME LMAOOO
Saaaameee 👍🏼
@@strugglinglawl Not valid 👎
@@strugglinglawlIf you wish that, you wish that on thousands of innocent people. People who liked her were unaware of the situation.
Fair enough
People still coming here just to leave angry comments 💀
Idk why people comment 💀
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I did a comment but realizing it was dum to come back…. I came back to read them for entertainment :]
She deserves it and I had no idea about it and was still supporting her (don’t know) so yes today I left I comment but I’m blocking this channel forever cuz I don’t support creeps like this
You need a personal jesus
Lmao
@@killerr_queennn lmao 2
@@Cromazone lmao 3
Lmao 4
This is such an ironic fucking /hing to animate-
What has the animation community turned into? I only joined a year ago, I wish I could have experienced it before it became toxic.. And I thought I looked up to you. I didn’t think Sally would ever do this, I don’t know how to react to this anymore. This is NOT something to tolerate. The animation community is falling apart, and pedophillia is apart of it. Being a minor myself, I hate hearing what happened. It’s sad seeing the most talented people being such terrible people, I hope the underrated artists and actually under appreciated animators who care get more respect.
There are so many smaller creators out there who don’t get nearly enough recognition for their work. I hope the animation community starts directing their views and love over to us smaller animators, who genuinely put effort into being decent people while creating art on par with the people who’ve been outed for doing horrible things
@@ZamaDraws PREACH.
Why? You aren’t one of the victims, you’re a random person with a parasocial relationship to an animator. Grow tf up it ain’t about you.
You heard this too? I did also, I'm very sad for the victims bro... I almost teared up bc she was one of my fav animators.
@@Makino_000 Fr yeah I recently heard of it but yeah sag was like my idol
Irl ThistleClaw
😂
I don't think even Thistleclaw would claim her. 💀
@@_The_Lizard_King Dangggg
For those of you who are minors defending sagutoyas, I'd like you to stay out of this as you're not going to understand what makes this situation yucky until you're older.
I thought the same way as you guys and meanwhile I was being groomed from ages 15-17. Trust me, it is a disgusting situation and you just need to be older. N I mean that with love and care.
You don't have to have an opinion on everything. You don't have to proclaim that opinion everywhere. Sally plans to make a statement: at minimum keep your "I don't see a problem" until after that.
Good comment! I was an underage minor in three relationships with adults and I've still not really got over that totally twisted mindset, much as I want to. Not quite the same as just being young, but there it is.
thanks for ur lovely comment and keeping things civil 💖
Okay, I'm not defending her but I AM a minor, but I understand what's going on here and I don't want to be discluded for being younger, please don't make it seem like "Only the older people can intervene."
@@theshrewtheshrewtheshrew This.
@@theshrewtheshrewtheshrew Sorry I never got a notification from this until someone liked it recently lol, but I really do think that your comment kind of does prove my point. A lot, actually.
Nobody is saying that you cannot understand the situation at a young age, that is nowhere said in my comment. What I am saying is that if you are a minor making excuses for Sagutoyas, you are very clearly not in the right conversation and it is not healthy for you to try and give a reason for why Sagutoyas (an adult) did what they did to a minor.
I am saying as someone who did the exactly same thing, that it's an attitude like that which allowed adults to take advantage of it. Adults //should// be the only ones intervening in this specific conversation, if even at all.
Trust me, nobody is questioning your intelligence to understand immensely difficult situations. What I am saying is hey, maybe if you are a minor who is actively going to defend someone called out for abhorrent actions, maybe take a minute and remind yourself that you don't have to have an opinion on everything. You don't have to comment on everything, reply to everything, and share everything. You can make your own conclusion, say it privately, and move on with your life.
And I say all of this correctly highlighting the people defending Sagutoyas. Nowhere was I discouraging minors from denouncing Sagutoyas. It just. It really isn't healthy: I am saying it with care, and as someone who did the exact same thing at a similar age.
Been a year sense the incident happened. I still wish she would have changed her ways after so many months. But come on.. is it that hard to NOT simp over kids? This is why I left the warrior cats fandom years ago, because of all our famous creators becoming terrible people. It’s just really heartbreaking watching your favorite fandoms rip apart because of all the predators, zoophiles, and toxic people. I will not be surprised if she did come back. Even if she did, I still and will never forget about the terrible things she has done and will never be forgiven.
I think the most terrible thing is that this happens in almost every single fandom.
the roblox community’s animators are fighting urges
notive, ribs, konekokitten (not an animator but pretty big influence) and others
like wth why can’t you just leave kids alone 😭
We don’t know if they changed, they haven’t been online anywhere. Yet, if they want to redeem themselves and move forward, we *should* let them.
@@TRU.. yeah
DUDE, HORRIBLE?! Wipe your eyes...when will you start to differentiate between harassing a child and communicating with a person 3 years younger than you?
im disappointed
Is it becoming a trend to be a groomer?! Wth😭😭😭
My questions exactly😭
one of my friends joined the trend the other day no way!!!!!!!!!!!
It's just twitter getting mad
@@mazewingo OH-
No, people just don't know what it means.
RUclipsrs try not to be huge creeps challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Damn i hope the victums are okay. You were truly an idol to me your animation was fantastic. I wish such talented people would stop turning out to be monsters.
I truly hope the victims are okay. And that they recover from this.
As for you. I hope you take a break from the internet and.redeem yourself into a better person thats worth following.
That’s what I’m saying! People want them to leave leave and I get that but I am trying to be a calm communicator here. They need a break and to think of what they done. Then come back. They can really be responsible here. They need to reply soon enough. Now people will get heavily toxic to them, send them threats and everything a hater does. I hope RUclips doesn’t remove them here as they are the warrior cat’s fandom used to be favorite.
@@Lysh-kp6ug they need to do more than just think about what theyve done but i see your point!
I don’t think there’s any chance of forgiveness left for Sally. What she’s done is too disgusting and illegal. There should be no place for people like her in this community
@@froggo5365 i never said to forgive them.
I just want them to go and take a few years to improve themselves as a person and redeem themselves.
People can change. But they have a whole lot of work to do.
No one needs to forgive them. But they need to get better. And get help.
@@SharkyCharlotte I agree on this.
if the victim is reading this i hope you're okay and you didn't deserve it. i hope sally de-platforms after what she's done has been brought to attention.
Well the victim isnt a kid. She isnt 5, 10 or even 15. She is 17 if we would wait a few monts nothing would be spoken of. They were sanding nsfw to each other remeber? The victim wasnt a child who was used or something, she knew what she was doing.
@@cygankarumianka9782 The grooming started when the victim was 16 and regardless, 17 is not a legal adult and Sagutoyas was 21 when this began??? And Sagutoyas was the one who first started sending nsfw to the minor. On top of that, she asked the minor to keep the relationship secret??? The victim WASA CHILD WHO WAS used, don't make it seem like Sagutoyas did nothing wrong, that's a bold faced lie.
@@soupkin3256 Watch Block studio video about it bro.
@@cygankarumianka9782 WA- EH- BU- 17 is still a kid...
@@cygankarumianka9782 well not like kid kid but just like still a minor
ive been groomed before at 15 by an adult. knowing you’re one makes me despise you.
best of wishes to the victim as well
I’m so sorry this happened to you too :[ I hope you’re doing better now
Cope seethe mald
@@humanbeeing4780 Get off the internet you freak.
Dang, I hope you’re doing better these days. What Sally did is freaking sickening. I really hope that the victim or victims are doing well to. They didn’t deserve this.
The people defending their actions in this comment section needs to reflect on themselves fr
Exactly
Fr bro there just straight supporting her EVEN AFTER what she did! They gotta give support to the victims literally its so disgusting we in this Animation meme community have to deal with these kind of goofies
gee maybe we're supporting her cause it was a 3 year age gap and the "kid" was the age of consent
@@spooky_the_vixen gee maybe you shouldn’t cause the victim was freshly 16 and it’s not like Sally didn’t send NSFW to other minors either 🐸
@sisters8919 I was an idiot when I posted this, I thought the age gap was a lot smaller than it actually was at the time, I don't believe she did nothing wrong anymore
To anyone who thinks it isn't a huge deal for a 17 year old and a 21 year old to be dating... dismantle that idea immediately. It is absolutely not okay. First off.. a 17 year old is a 3rd-4th year in HIGH SCHOOL. They are worried about their grades, prom, graduation, senior photos, etc. All things that relate to teenagers and GROWING UP. A 21 year old is likely almost graduated from COLLEGE. This is a thing adults attend as they are already looking for a Job. They worry about car insurance, mortgage or rent, health insurance, buying groceries, drinking.. etc. ADULT things that MINORS should not be able to relate to. Anyone 18 or under is heavily focused on school. I'm turning 21 in a few months and I'm focused on work. My little sibling is 16 and they are working on getting a permit while I've been driving and working full time for almost 2 years now. Do y'all see how different our lives are??? Minors and Adults should not mix personal lives or spaces. In what realm could a minor and an adult relate on a personal level????? When you're an adult you see Minors as CHILDREN. Young adults are often seen as immature as they cannot relate to those older than them easily.
On a second note, Sol the victim was heavily inspired by Sally's animations and were charmed by their capabilities and initial first impression of Sally. All rationality tends to go out the window when a teen meets a "famous person" or someone they look up to. I fell to something similar (predatory behavior, not grooming in my case) and I can say that all you really care about is impressing that special person you look up to. Especially if they are successful.
Teenagers, I would not recommend actively inhabiting personal spaces with adults. This is for your safety. Some adults out there are extremely creepy and will prey on people who are still developing.
Adults, please don't be a creep. If you are having problems with intrusive thoughts towards things you shouldn't... stay away from those things and GET HELP. Don't give in. Otherwise for those who don't experience that, be on the lookout. Speak up when you see sh!t like this. Assure that you know if someone is an adult or not. Don't send NSFW in groups either. Teens lie about their ages sometimes and that's just gross.
My heart goes out to the victims and I hope they are able to reach some form of peace from this situation. To Sally, get some help. Your behavior is disgusting.
(Edits are grammar errors and censoring swear words as to not get the comment removed)
Thanks for the info
What she did was NOT okay
I'm not going to read all that, but wouldn't a 17 year old be in 11th to 12th grade?
@@rat_in_a_bucket I think it depends on which country or school u go too. For my country, govt schools refer to them as secondary 5-6 graders in highschool but when following private schooling, it’s labelled as year 11’s, etc
Also this is very well put, when I was 17, I was very concerned about academics and teenager things, it’s also the age length where you’re very easily emotionally manipulated as well just to put it out there
@@LadyCallow Oh, ok!
Jeez, people need to calm down in all seriousness. It's insane that even after half a year there are comments flying in telling her to off herself. And why are so many people making this about themselves? "You disappointed me, you were my idol, I despise you now, you hurt me etc.." This is not about you but about her and the other parties DIRECTLY involved. And if she seriously was your absolute idol and inspiration, how come you only hear of all this just now? I can't believe people are still making such a huge thing out of it and act as if they were directly involved.
Ikr??? It's incredibly annoying when people are like "it's a shame we lost such a good artist" like BRO??? Do people even CARE about her victims??? THEY were the ones that went through horrible shit,,,
hmm so she had more than one victim? im confused since i thought glitch was the only one?
@@greythelynxYT Oh sorry, yeah, I'm p sure Glitch was the only one, I'm not quite sure why i typed it as if there were more mfndm Still, it's pretty messed up what Sally did to em,,
People just want to have a reason to complain and get involved with drama, or they just really hate Sally because they are disgusted in what she done and want to hear an apology already. I guess people expect popular RUclipsrs like this to just drop an apologetic video but that's not what Sally needs to do, she really needs to apologize to the parties involved only, Sally did nothing to her fandom but create a shock to the community in what she had done. There's even people still supporting her. It really all depends on what people think. Honestly, though, this is the dark side of social media, which causes people to believe that it's okay for an adult to hurt a minor, though in reality, it isn't. Just because she has nice animations doesn't mean that it's okay to hurt a minor. Though yeah, I agree this has been going on for too long with the comments. All we can do is wait, and it's okay to love the art and not the artist.
Unsubscribe moment
This is honestly heartbreaking I've been subscribed for like 4 years but I can't support someone like this.
Me too, I was devastated, I told all my friends I wanted to be like her, animate like her, naive and foolish I was
Me too. She was one of the major people to get me into warrior, and so many of them are getting cancelled. They all deserve it but its sad to see my childhood seeping away.
ONG
Same..
@biah2274, don't blame yourself, we all were fans of her. she was a good animator, I can't deny that. You are a good person and you have nothing to do with sally's choices.
You disappoint me
You disappoint this fandom
You disappoint your friends
You disappoint your family
You disappoint the victims of your crimes
You disappoint everyone
We cry together brother 😔
That’s a bit ride
@@ThatOneGoldFishWCUE she groomed a child this is deserved
@@dollybeagle maybe so, but that doesn’t make it less rude, you need to be the bigger person
@@ThatOneGoldFishWCUE i think they're just being honest though, most people are incredibly disappointed
Everyone knows!
Ok yes what Sally did is absolutely disgusting, but don’t y’all think it’s time to move on from this? Like it happened 5 years ago and we all found out last year. I’m not defending Sally in any way ofc not, but I don’t think we should be talking and spreading the news everywhere especially on maps she participated in. Everyone’s gonna get tired of it. Like tbh I’m kinda tired of the drama
*Also I hope the victims are doing better now
I get your sick of it and all ( I kinda am too) but she still has a bit more than 150k subs
@@Rxrandom0625 yea…I kinda thought she would loose a lot more after this. Idk
The victim was an animator also, they quit because of people flooding their comments with it. They said something along the lines of their quitting because people are "harassing them about an incident that happened a year ago.”
I agree. Everytime I come by over here people still keep bringing it up like,,, yeah its unhealthy to keep being involved in it over and over again because that incident happened since 2023. We should not worry about it anymore and basically move on, that's all I would say
I used to look up to you
An old video of hers got in my recommended today, so I decided to check out this channel since everything went down last year. Not totally surprising she just decided to abandon this account. If anything, it's the ultimate admission of guilt for what she was accused of. Sucks for all of her loyal supporters, and everyone who was inspired by her work. Sally really was an amazing craftsman of animation in the indie space. It's unfortunate such a reputation went down the drain after things came to light. Hope the victim is doing better these days.
I normally don’t comment when it comes to drama, but this is honestly just the final straw. I’m not even surprised anymore, the only word I can use to express how I feel is sheer, utter, disappointment. You were an animation idol to so many of your fans, younger and older alike, and you’ve just turned out to be just like the others, simply letting everyone down. What you people do is honestly disgusting, I hardly think a response/apology will change anything, as if you were truly remorseful, you would have said something ages ago. You’re only sorry you were caught. Just leave the platform and get some help, I’m extremely sorry to all of the fans who were impacted by this news.
Edit: Yo guys, better get to archiving stuff lmao
hey word of advise don't refer to situations like this as drama, it's very demeaning giving how this is about someone being groomed and being failed by the adults around them. never mind the fans, focus on you know the people who were actually hurt by this such as the victim in question.
this isn't "drama"
Yeah circumstances would have been better or smtn
Why? You aren’t one of the victims, you’re a random person with a parasocial relationship to an animator. Grow tf up it ain’t about you.
With the amount of wc animators that have been “exposed” lately, I’m just numb to it at this point. Yeah, I was shocked when I first heard of it, but now I’m just hearing it over and over again. It makes me sick. In a fandom FULL of minors, you would expect things like this to be very rare.
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Comentario en español que nadie buscaba, pero siento necesario desahogarme donde creo que nadie me encontrará jajaja.
Fue una animadora que me inspiró un montón y la neta me pone super triste que tenga tanto talento y haya decidido tomar las acciones equivocadas. En este momento te dejo de considerar como un gran ejemplo a seguir y admirare solo el trabajo. Troste.
I have reuploads ready to go if her channel goes down.
ur sent from above bestie
what they said
also what they said
again , what they said
I don’t think her channel is going to go down as it’s been two months already with no sign of her at all, she probably just left the internet and her channel will stay up but permanently inactive.
Edit: I have changed my mind. It has been confirmed by Sol himself that Sally sent CP to him, that... no...
Ok guys i get what she did was nasty, but we need to understand she did this when she was younger, ik she was an adult but 20 year olds can still be immature. If she returns, surely she'll be sorry. If that happens, we shouldn't yell and push her back, we should help her to improve as a person instead of pushing her back into that pit of shame, everyone deserves forgiveness as long as they promise and never do anything bad like that again. Im not saying you must forgive her, but do not make anyone, ANYONE even if they did bad things, hold that guilt forever. ❤
(Not defending her actions, they were awful, i feel bad for the victims very much. )
totally agree with you!!
I will, I don’t care about a groomer’s feelings, and she’s clearly not sorry cause she hasn’t said anything in months
@@thelanktheist2626 I respect your opinion.
I believe she is sorry, but she won't post anything because she's scared and feels ashamed. I disagree that we should treat anyone like that, she is not just a 'groomer' she is a person, and she can become a better person.
NEVERMIND SHE SENT CP
Where did you get that information?
Sagutoyas, you have been a giant inspiration to me and many other aspiring artists throughout their childhood, I remember watching your old map parts over and over because it always invoked such awe in me, I wonder what younger me would've thought.
Knowing what you did to a child, a child just like me, a child just like your fanbase, a child just like anyone.
And knowing it could have been any child that you have contacted, and yet it was that victim is so disturbing and sad both for you and everyone involved.
I hope you get help and change as a person.
And the most I hope for is that the victim of your crimes forgets all about you, moves on with their life and becomes infinitely happier so they'll never have to look back at you again.
Just like how I wish to do the same with you.
Sincerely, from a used to be fan.
It’s been a shock for everyone ☹️ I know what you are feeling here’s a virtual hug! 🫂
swift_foxz virtual hug to all those who were fans of her or have been groomed.
@@theshrewtheshrewtheshrew agreed!
Y’all should be sorry for the victims not just the groomer bro
You aren’t one of the victims, you’re a random person with a parasocial relationship to an animator. Grow tf up it ain’t about you.
Alright, I gotta say again for the new commenters here.
Be respectful. Not in the sense that you should respect Sagutoyas for her actions, but in the sense of, respect them as a human being. There's nothing to be gained from the people telling her to off herself or wishing her violent outcomes. It's ridiculous and rude. Just because someone has done something ill does not mean you need to be cruel all the same.
She fucked up. But this isn't the end of anyone's world. She absolutely has a road to get better. All the lunatics here saying that people like her have no emotions and are incapable of ever being redeemed in any extent- (Looking at you, "Spoiled,")
Are out of line. Period.
It is not your call whether she can learn and better herself, that's hers. If you wish not to ever forgive her, that's understandable. But your forgiveness will not change what kind of person she is, or may become in the future.
I do not support what she has done, but I do not condemn her beyond help. That is not my place, nor is it yours.
Be considerate.
Truth. This is one of the few comments here that I really respect.
Preach! ❤
Hey, I wanted to say this, but I am sorry for the comments I've made to you and others on the Geuse videos. I wasn't in the best state of mind and some of my evidence was flimsy at best. I still personally don't support Guese, as I think they have done some messed up stuff, but I would like to apologize to you for accusing you of supporting Sagu I misinterpreted it and you seem like a genuinely good person, it's just that we don't agree on some things.
I was, and still am, but you can believe what you wanna believe@@strugglinglawl
i see the situation like this: sally hurt someone, yes, but it was several years ago and she deeply regrets what she did. she also has not acted that way in any capacity at all during the years after the event took place.
if sol says he feels like he was pressured or put in an abusive situation, then his feelings are valid and i sympathize for him. his experience was real and if he says that thats what happened, then thats what happened from his perspective, and we arent allowed to question it because we werent there. i fully believe that he believes every word of what he says he went though, but… just because he felt that way doesnt meant that thats what *literally* happened.
i know this is a very controversial take, but i dont believe at all that this was “grooming”. in order to groom someone, there has to be an established power imbalance that the groomer is aware of and consciously uses to their benefit; ive seen absolutely zero record of sally ever using her popularity, age, or any other form of status to push an agenda or abuse authority. i am of the belief that, as wrong and as we all know it is, she genuinely thought that her feelings for this person were real and reciprocated. i also believe that the reason she hid the relationship was not because she was trying to isolate the victim (as some people have suggested), but because she truly believed that their relationship was the exception and that people just “wouldnt understand”.
but she was terribly wrong, and she knows that now. and she has learned and changed her view of the world as a result of that horrible mistake.
the public loves to reply to controversy by yelling and screaming at the perpetrators that they “need to change and become better!”, but even when the person DOES change, and DOES better themselves by learning from past mistakes, people are still never satisfied. they want more. the goal for them was never for the person to “change” as they claim it was, they want to ruin the persons livelihood. sally should not have to give up doing what she loves (animating characters from a book series that is important to her) when she has clearly emotionally matured since the incident took place.
i believe strongly in forgiveness. not FORGETTING, but FORGIVING. we have all been made aware of what sally did and now we can use this information to be cautious and mindful when engaging with her, or use it to decide whether we want to engage with her at all. it should be up to the choice of individuals instead of everyone trying to cancel her entirely. everyone who engages with her should be made aware of her past, but she shouldnt be deplatformed over it.
let me reiterate: I 100% BELIEVE THAT SOL WAS A VICTIM IN THIS CASE, AND SALLY IS NOT INNOCENT. but she made amends and took action to be a better, safer person, and thats all we can ask of someone when shit like this happens. i hope that sol is able to recover, find peace, and live a happy and comfortable life from this point on and im sorry that he now has to carry this trauma with him.
if you disagree with me or if i got any of my information wrong, then feel free to reply to me to correct me, but im asking that you please be civil about it. im trying to see this situation from all perspectives.
I agree.
People make mistakes and people admit mistakes. But I want to add that first of all, in order for a person to find the strength to improve and move on, he needs support. In many ways, only hatred appears now, which can bury even deeper.
I hope that people will eventually understand that if they want to fix something, they do not need to expel the one who has done wrong. They need to help him improve and make amends. ESPECIALLY if the culprit himself IS SORRY and WANTS TO CHANGE.
Draw conclusions from the situation, explain to your friends the reason for how this behavior affects society. And then learn to forgive so that everyone can move on.
While I do agree with you that it wasn’t really a kind of grooming situation ( like a RUclips animator, Illymation, went through) I don’t think that Sally just had the relationship out of genuine love and care for the victim. She had sent NSFW images to the victim knowing the victim was underage and seemed to be uncomfortable with it. I don’t know if you had read the Google document about the incident; but Sally seems to be more upset she got caught than genuinely sorry. I don’t think what she did was a mistake, but a choice. I do understand she was younger when she made this choice to interact with Sol; but she was still old enough to understand she shouldn’t send NSFW to a minor. I don’t think it is right for Sally to get away scot free for her choice she made. She knew what the consequences would be ( she did try her best to hide it; telling Sol to keep quiet about it as well) and has even acknowledged herself she will leave the warrior cats community in the statement she gave. I think it’s for the best that she is deplatformed for her wrongful decisio as well as for herself because no matter what she would do in the community, her reputation will always be tarnished and the work she does will always be overshadowed by this. I do believe somewhat Sally was aware that Sol deeply admired and respected her so that’s why she felt she could send him NSFW without getting in trouble and also telling him not to tell people about the relationship. Lastly, I do agree with your sentiments on seeing the situation from a different perspective. Sagutoyas may have grown from this behavior but the only one who truly knows the answer to the question is her. The most we can do is let the natural consequences play out. People are prone to group mentality and will act before thinking for themselves oftentimes. I truly think though, without popular opinion to sway me, that it would be best for Sally to be deplatformed in the Warriors community. She will always have this reputation attached to her and will be treated as an outcast since she is already banned from participating in any more MAPS. The best for her is to find another way to monetize and express her art and if she did truly change, to apologize to Sol, the family, and to not engage in behavior like this.
you have a strong point, but with all this information surfacing, it feels impossible to ever genuinely want to forgive sally or keep supporting her. no matter how much of a mistake it was or so sorry sally feels or how long ago it was, it happened, and sol very likely still has mental scars from the incident, and might even have them for the rest of their life. i do feel a little bad knowing that sally's definetly not going to be able to continue doing what she loves easily, but she's responsible for someone's trauma, and it only surfaced now, telling us that she likely knew about the incident but never publicized it. it's lying to us, basically, and i can understand why many people don't want her in the community because of it.
honestly I can’t be bothered to read all of that, but respect to you for being civil about it ❤
While I feel like Sally's actions were serious and it's hard to forgive, I agree as well. Or better, I think that she should continue drawing/animating or reading Warriors, but she probably won't post any more of that. I'm potentially against her, but really do like that you tried to "analyze" the situation from different perspectives.
BOOO TOMATO 🍅🍅🍅🍅 BOOOOOOO TOMATO 🍅🍅 get OUTTA here💀🍅🍅‼️‼️‼️
Please be more formal with your statement and reframe from making it a joke.
@@moonpaw_gaming1509 sallys comment section on her insta is way worse u might wanna complain ovah there 😭😭
Keep coming back in hope that maybe she changed her ways and is coming back. I really did love her work, shame I can’t see it without the horrid reminder.
As someone who had been groomed (without knowing till much later), , ,hearing this did make me disappointed. I looked up to Sally and here we are again, seeing another animator that the warrior cats community thought they could appreciate?? Yeah no- Can't really now. .I looked up to her and been inspired by her to one day become a great animator. I don't wanna be like her now. I'll now look towards animators whom have good hearts and have such talent that they deserve love and attention on. I do hope the victim is okay, sending many best wishes for them to stay safe and healthy! You're never alone, don't forget that! And I hope I don't see anymore art from Sally, I can't believe she had done something so horrible and disgusting.
Get help man, dont shove that shit under the rug, make a statement, distance yourself and get. help. You did something awful that will hurt someone for years to come, own up to it
I mean I get your comment and youre 100% right but wasnt that stuff from like years ago? Maybe Im uninformed cnsnxndmc maybe she already reflected which would be good
@@tevildech5497 It doesn't matter if it was years ago wtf,,
She was the adult in the situation, she should have shut it down. it's her fault and her responsibility. don't excuse it by saying "guys it was years ago!!" It's demeaning as hell to the victims and others, like myself, who have experienced similar situations
@@tevildech5497 It happened in 2019, so it was quite recent.
@@tevildech5497 It’s doesn’t matter how long ago it was, trauma can last a lifetime.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Guys, what Sally did was disgusting. You guys need to think again before defending her, she sent CP to a minor. Now, Because it was a drawing it wasnt as serious as a real child being harmed, but still extremely serious because she's sending it to a minor. Stop defending bad people.
I can't belive u would ever do something like that. U were my biggest inspiration and the reason i started drawing/animating :/ and when i saw the first reupload of your work i wanted to cry cuz i am watching u for like 3 years? And i loved every single video and i can't imagine your channel getting deleted but the thing u did.. that is unforgivable
You aren’t one of the victims, you’re a random person with a parasocial relationship to an animator. Grow tf up it ain’t about you.
This is extremely heartbreaking to hear about man, I found you out before you became popular and fell in love with your style immediately. Watched you grow into a once well beloved animator.
I am so disgusted, to think that I looked up to someone that would do such a thing.
My heart goes out to the victims, they deserved so much better than this. What a damn heartless and cruel thing to do to a child.
😥Hopefully the victims are recovering😥
4 years is not a big age gap. Ya'll are overreacting
@@lottavuorinen THATS WHAT IM SAYING-
@@lottavuorinenit doesn’t matter if the age gap wasnt that large, she still took advantage of the person when they were a minor and told them to keep it a secret. And 4 years can be a large mental age gap.
@@Oakhaze How did she take advantage of them?
Guys, it's literally been a year...cant you all know how to forget..? This whole situation happened about 5 years ago and i agree what sally did was totally not okay, but dont you guys think we should hear her side of the story? Im not saying glitch did ANYTHING wrong but maybe he could have left out bits of the situation maybe sally could have told us? Because it seems unsual to me that he kept silent for 4 damn years to tell us this that he got sent a picture of his and sallys oc touching noses then after like 10 months it was revealed she sent cp to him which im kind of confused about..its kind of hard to explain what i think though because what was the point of waiting 4 years and 10 months to tell us this. Its strange for me if he hadnt blocked her and exposed her in the first place then just telling us when he can. Whats wrong with that? Unless something else had happened? You know its NOT embarrassing to say that somone has done bad to you unless you have done something aswell? Im not trying to accuse glitch of something though dont think that way. Also, if dont think sally manipulated glitch as all she said was express her feelings to him by sending a picture of their ocs touching noses and 'telling him to keep it a secret' all of you are acting like he was being held at gunpoint or something.
(I cant find the right words to say this and you might think im on to nothing but i still believe sally has right to say something about this whole 'drama' and defend herself.)
I agree like why did Sol keep quiet the entire time and this is something i have been thinking about for soooooo long: it is legal at where Sally lives to be in love at a young age and so if our rules are different why do we care? It is there laws so nothing is wrong and we ABSOLUTELY pushed her off the internet.😢😢😢
Sorry my grammer is bad becuase i am MADDD deppressed
@@VaxxerJ.BStop victim blaming. "WHy dID sOl kEeP qEuit??" He was manipulated and groomed. Its not bis fault, children are naive and immature.
@@RUclips.com-Official-Yeah, I agree, but 10 months after it was revealed about Sally, he had to bring up CP? I'm still confused about that.
Hi I’m using an alt because I personally don’t want to be involved, because as we know the situation is horribly terrifying.
Also, I’m 23. I am not a victim of grooming but I did extensive research and reread the screen shots many times to understand the situation to the best of my ability.
The fact that Sol didn’t reveal the extent of the abuse isn’t really surprising at all. He said it himself, the content was disturbing, and he didn’t want to show disturbing stuff to a wide audience, many of whom are minors that looked up to Sally. The misinfo in the comments forced his hand, he had to tell the full truth traumatic as it may be and even then he STILL didn’t want to show pictures because it’s inappropriate.
Why did Sol keep quiet for 4 years? Not everyone who’s young recognizes the red flags of grooming right away, thus don’t realize the harm until they’re older. Sol said he was 16, and also highly idolized Sally and put her on a pedestal, which put Sally in a position of power which she took advantage of. Telling Sol to keep quiet is a tactic to isolate and make sure nobody knows Sol was in danger, “don’t tell anyone, don’t tell your friends, don’t tell your family, tell nobody,” this was a tactic used to keep Sally out of trouble with the community, and the law.
Also there aren’t screen shots of everything, like things said in voice chats. Sol mentioned in comments that he and Sally talked over the phone and Sally asked to meet Sol in person, this is from voice chats so you take Sol’s word for this. When I read that, I wanted to barf.
Nice adults don’t tell children to keep secrets, and nice adults don’t invite children to meet them in secret. Edit to avoid confusion regarding this part. A child telling another child to keep a secret is fine, an adult telling another adult to keep a secret is fine, because these are at similar maturity levels so they understand better. An adult telling a child to keep a secret, is a little questionable because it normalizes the concept in the child’s mind and makes them more vulnerable to dangerous adults telling children to keep secrets to keep their own reputation safe while they commit the crime. If you are young, and someone older tells you not to tell anyone that you two are in contact, *PLEASE* tell someone. Please. It is not safe to hide something like that from people who can protect you.
It doesn’t have to be a romantic relationship for this to be dangerous. Regardless of what dynamic is going on, if an adult tries to isolate a child in ANY way using secrets, it is grooming.
I've seen so many of the comments here and im here to say my bit because I have been around for quite a while.
Honestly I do not know what to make of this. I don't know what is all true except for the things that have been repeated too many times to be rumors- so I'll believe what the comments keep repeating and what I've seen on discord and TikTok.
I do truly hope that you can explain yourself and your actions before I choose if I am completely against you, or just on the edge. Take the time to make a proper explanation as well as to apologize to the victim.
Like many others, you were a big idol to me and I always got excited when I saw your work in videos I enjoyed watching, it will suck if this situation takes yet another important thing away from me.
I was just finding about of Sally’s behavior and I’m disgusted as hell. I loved her art and when she participated in a map, I would go bonkers. Cant believe that she would do something so awful and disgusting. Why must the world be this way?..
Yeah
I love how haters are like “stop forgiving her it’s not up to you but the victimssss”, but at the same time you guys want her to apologize to YOU???🗿
Dude that what I'm saying! Preach it! Just don't care what others think
Yeah thats quite dumb, I guess I understand the fact some people are disappointed because they looked up to the artist, but why so much drama when they didnt suffer her behaviour 🤔 we should just keep it between the people that are truly in the situation
@@loup_perceptiftrue, Lately, people have been fanning the drama because of everything 💀
Wow. You were one of my favourite animators, and I actually trusted you to be a good person. Your actions were inexcusable. I'm so, so damn disappointed in you.
Art is amazing! Keep up the great work, Sally!
Don't even support her, she did something bad. like REALLY bad.
@@Makino_000 oh really? whatd she do?
@@-bakedbean-1006 I heard she recently groomed a teenager and sent them inappropriate pictures
@@Makino_000 oh- thats horrible
@@-bakedbean-1006 this teenage was 16, which is the legal age of consent, she told him to keep quiet yes, but there is a million reasons. Including all the people accusing her of being a p3d0phile.
Also, it’s *VERY* likely that Sally ki//Ed herself recently and that’s most certainly because of people on the internet, no matter how much you hate her, you people being so rude and attacking them, likely ki//Ed them.
What do you think about that?
Bruh idk why yall people still commenting things like, ‘You might come back, but you will never be forgiven’ ,like who are you? This person could make a whole other account with a bit of practice for a different art style and not give a f about this channel. y’all’s forgiveness means nothing to them. They don’t know you, to them, you’re a nobody.😐 I personally don’t care about this channel and never have, but seeing you guys still out here after all this time is just sad and pathetic.
Wizard ale.
Ehhh, the eyes will always be the same probably
WHY
God can we have one great animator that isn't a fucking sicko??? I'm very disappointed, as someone who used to be so inspired by your work, I cannot continue to support you anymore. I hope all of the victims are doing well and recovering swiftly.
You are so real for this
Berxc, Charmy Chippy and Unburnable Ink.
I only trust moonkitti, blixemi and a few others for warriors content now.
Ok I changed my mind about Berxc.
@@neofrxst me too man ong
I have been subscribed to you for years, this is honestly disgusting. So disappointed.
I'm literally nauseous watching y'all fight. This is not okay. Stop pretending this is okay.
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Will you guys STOP YAPPING about the situation?
Even if the minor knew what she/he was doing, it's pedophilia, and the adult is responsible, noneoftheless, you guys ATTACKED the victim of this, you have NO PART, NO SIDE, nobody knows what really happend, so STAY OUT OF IT, it's not your business, it's not your problem, you don't know anything, this could just all be a lie, no I'm not defending either, we don't know shit.
FRRR
ROALD DAHL (a famous author) literally married a woman when they had a 20 year age difference, same with Helen Keller’s parents
Fr, it's just getting annoying at this point
OH MY GOD, thank you!! this is 100% correct, it’s unfortunate and very upsetting these things happen, but unless you have full intell other than basic info, it’s best not to engage, we don’t know what went on in full detail.
Before I see any more Sally defenders, it's over. She admitted to all of it, every last bit of it on the very same day the callout came out. You can all get off the copium now, you can all stop crying and screaming for the proof which was right in front of your eyes and then denying that it's real. There are victims in this situation, and none of them is Sally. She was an absolutely disgusting person behind the scenes and the truth came to light. Now it's not your place to forgive her. Only the victims can, and the only people she apologized to are her friends, she has not apologized to the victims that we know of. She is sorry she got caught, not sorry for what she did. There is a huge difference between the two, that most people defending Sally will learn to recognize in the future.
The statement was leaked and posted on the blue bird app, she made a statement on the day the callout was posted in a private server with people she trusted, and was promptly kicked after. The apology was pathetic and directed at the wrong people. Right now, one of her victims is facing a really tough situation directly because of Sally and needs to move out of their home in order to escape. Yet Sally remains silent, instead of trying to use her platform at least one last time to help the victim she put into a situation of real physical danger. Sally will never have a place in the warriors community anymore, at the very least, the adult part of the community will make absolutely sure that she stays away from the community and especially from children. Her harm is already done and she's not doing anything to fix it. She's just hiding like a coward, it speaks volumes on her character. What a truly horrible person.
What did she say in the apology
@@FinnyThePorg basically "ya I did it but it was so long ago and I've changed as a person I swear guys"
where can i see her admission?
@@toxiwashere she needs to apologize to the victim and their family, but i do believe ppl can change
@@Interstellarpool176 I said it on the og comment, I cant say the name of the app, but the person who posted it is called beaudoodles /nm
Sally I really looked up to you. Ever since I saw one of your map parts 4 years ago I have loved it and always looked forward to seeing more animations from you. Since I was 9 I have been inspired by ur videos and it makes me sad knowing that another artist has been found of some type of grooming or crime :(
Please stop defending this person in the comments, they are indeed a GROOMER. This is not youtube drama, this is a CRIME.
It's a public place where people can say what's on their mind.
@@forgottenlantern8147 So? Doesn't give anyone a good reason to defend a groomer.
@@catswampy So? You can complain about it and people can say what they want
@@forgottenlantern8147 I know that people can say whatever they want but it doesn't make defending a groomer acceptable.
Oh. So all of my inspirational animators turned out to be like this.. great.
Sigh. I'm very sorry. Just...be better than them. It's not a high bar, but strive to be a lot better than them.
Not dark-yard though!!
@@berrystumpytale true! Yay!
@@erismason3441 thanks :)
@Weirdkitty6000 foxi boxi, but she’s actually taking steps into fixing the damage just now or awhile ago.
Bro's channel is dead now 💀
yeah lol
Not you too ;-;
You were my favorite animator ever since then
;-; why do u gotta do this
you've sinned
Where is the apology? It’s been 2 months !
I heard that she posted it on twitter...
@@taimiratta4774 oh it might be there
@@fakeaccounts6513 if she gives an apology they won't forgive her or acknowledge it anyway and call it insincere no matter how well it's worded.
@Fake Accounts for me is the wait time. She did this 4-5 years ago and hasn't made an apology? I would've taken great respect for her if she decided to do it even when nobody but the victims knew. That'd be proof she became a better person. She didn't become a better person, she decided to hide until she was outed to make a statement.
To be honest, I always looked up to Sagutoyas and wished to be like her. But now it's quite different and I take it all back.
Same. but i'm sure most people feel that way. she was mt idol when i was 9, now that i'm a preteen and watching vids on Yt about all she's done, i hate her now.
You still can wish to be a good animator like her (Not person)!
Same, she used to be one of the big warriors animators that I looked up to. Probably the one I looked up to the most. I don’t like her anymore due to what they did
Sparky nooo
Edit: I do not support sagutoyas and am glad they got kicked out, do not feel guilty if you still like their artwork. Yes, they themselves are a bad person but their art still is skill and talent. I like their art and always will, nothing can change that. But I do not support or like sagutoyas themselves. If they do delete their channel/take down their content. I will make a Playlist of reuploads of their maps or most of their map parts. Thanks for understanding. And you might be wondering why would I reupload a groomers content?
Some people might like the art/map itself
Some might want to watch it without directly supporting sagutoyas
And some might want to still watch it once/if they take them down/delete channel
*If you have any questions about sagutoyas's actions or other things, feel free to ask*
what did you do oh my god
Sagutoyas needs a personal Jesus
No
Genuinely laughed at this /p
Copied
Lo dice la q ni sabe dibujar
Cuando seas mejor q ella en todos mis aspectos me dices ok?
@@Valent1no_Lover_letter i can draw thank you 💀💀💀 and calm your little crusty ahh down
I'm very disappointed
You were one of my favorite artists and I always loved seeing the art you created but after the current news it's upsetting to see so many good artists to turn out to be terrible people
I hope the victims do find their peace and take time to heal. I wish them the best with their healing journey and their lives.
Anyone who might read this please be safe, the internet is not safe at all. There's too many people being called out for this issue alone and it's terrifying at the number. Please watch out for the people you talk to and to tell someone if you find suspicious actions to someone you trust. I know you might hear that a lot but it's true, too many kids are victims to these terrible people.
Stay safe reader.
We all are disappointed.
I hate every single person trying to defend her. She actively told the child she was grooming to not talk about their relationship untill they were 18, she knew it was bad, she knew she was in the wrong, she knew it wasn't okay.
I'm just curious were the minor's guardians aware, or they didn't want them to talk about it "on public"? No one has stated that yet and I don't have access to the doc
@@derpywhooves7107 doesn’t matter. Most kids are unsupervised online especially at the ages of 12+
@@derpywhooves7107 Yeesh, I hope not. If they were, that would be horrible!
For those people who do not understand why people are mad at Sally, I'm here to explain what I think is the reason.
Back then when Sally was 21, she gr00med a child and silenced them. After others found this out, they were disgusted, disapointed and ashamed of her behavior. This caused her to lose many subscribers and fans. This behavior should not be happening, and Sally if you're reading this, you should be ashamed of yourself for being involved in this act. It's disgusting and horrid. Even if you're sorry, it won't make up for the horrible behavior you caused. You disapointed this fandom and it's not okay. And for all people who have been gr00med before, I am so sorry for you. No one should EVER have to deal with that, and I hope you're doing better.
Thank for taking your time to read this, and I hope you understand why Sally is getting so much hate.
Ребёнок 17 лет
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@@user-mf7eg5iw2s Спасибо, что подтвердили это! Я не знал, было ли им 17 лет или меньше!
@@tomasrivera9547 don’t worry you’re not wrong 17 is still a minor regardless.
@@pcoyoafnananimates2337 Okay thank you!
The worst thing is, she's only apologizing because she was outed. She's not apologizing because she knows she hurt the victim, or because she disappointed her fans, she's apologizing to try and keep her spot in the Warriors fandom.
Sagutoyas, if you see this, I'd like to suggest one thing. Apologize to the people you hurt most. Such as:
The victim(s?)
Your family
Friends
Fandom
(EVERYONE)
Oh, and did I mention the victims?
You were a major inspiration to MANY artists out there because of your talent and beautiful work, and that must've felt amazing for you. But, now that you've been caught? It's all gone to waste. I really wish the victim(s?) the best, and for them to never have to talk to you again. I think I speak for all of the fandom when I say you're disgusting. Not even the most sorry statement will make this forgivable.
it’s actually kinda funny how she thinks she can apologize and be forgiven when she’s been hiding this for about 5 years. sorry but hiding that kinda stuff and only being “sorry” because you were outed doesn’t look very good for you!
this comment right here
@@user-zd4vk3rf2p 5 YEARS?! DAMN SHES BEEN KEEPING THIS FROM US
no im pretty sure 3 - 4 years , dont know when it *ended* all i know was the victim was newly 16@@pcoyoafnananimates2337
Half a year later…no difference so disappointing
Why does every single artist suddenly turn out to be a piece of absolute shit? Man, i grew up being inspired by so many animators and all of them turned out to be horrible people
They don't. 70% are false accusations.
@@Snekysnitch REALEST. They did the same thing with Foxi Boxi and SO MANY other animation content creaters. I give up on this community tbh.
the map part was incredible already but then you go HITTING ME with that nitw soundtrack is just..
Please stop supporting this person (she groomed minors)
@@reedtheracco0n I’m aware. So disgusting
@@missoli I totaly agree
I just wanted to comment something since this person used to be an inspiration to me.. C'mon now. All I hope is that the victim is okay
Why does every single popular artist end up bring an absolute piece of shit? Your art is what inspired me to join the wc fandom and start making art myself, but now I feel guilty for even enjoying your art in the past. I hope the victim(s?) is doing okay, and I’m glad everything has been brought to light.
What other artist have done shit or been exposed for something bad? I really wanna know
@NATRIXx the victim was 16. And they met when he was 15 and she was 20. She gr00med him. Made him think that their relationship was okay despite the the fact that she was a grown ass adult and he was a minor. That's a crime, it's illegal and your defending it. Sagutoyas even admitted to it so idek why you're still defending her. Give it up
@@TiredWierdCat A few other artists that have been exposed are Foxi Boxi, Artblock Studio, & EphemeralMoth.
Ofc there are way more, but these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
@@catswampy wth artblock likes kids too?!
@@rabbittoes1251 I haven't heard anything about pedophilia with artblock, but it has been confirmed that they have drawn feral NSFW.
I’m extremely upset with what you did, you were a huge fucking inspiration
Groomer
literally love this song so much!
I know a lot of people are trying to defend Sagutoyas and argue that 17 is basically an adult or that we should just let the situation go, but the thing that irks me is that Sagutoyas hasn't apologized for any of her actions. Until she comes out and apologizes to the victim and tries to make up for her actions, I can't see how anyone can defend her. I mean, that's the bare minimum, and even then, I wouldn't forgive her, but at least I could hold some semblance of respect for her. Additionally, even if the victim was, let's say, 21, they were still shown NSFW drawings without their consent and asked not to tell anyone about it. (Showing someone pornographic material without their concent classifies as rape in some cases) That's a crime no matter what age
Actually she did ‘apologise’ but it was more saying “I didn’t do anything wrong me and my friends thought it was a cool way to act ‘at the time’” rather than an actual apology!and I agree even if the victim was 17 gr00ming is gr00ming!No excuses!
Has anyone seen Sagutoyas at all? No social media of hers has been updated in quite some time, and I’m not sure if her Discord is still up. (As I am not extremely active on there) did she dip out because of her exposure or did something else happen?
I don't know. People may have contact with her. No clue. I just think she is giving her channel up. My personal opinion though. I am not stating facts.
@@JesusisKing801 you can bet asspen shatdow has seen her
@@neofrxst yeh I have heard stuff about the two. You are definitely correct there.
@@neofrxstI know this is kind of old so I'm sorry if this bothers you, but what's the history between those two?? I haven't been able to find anything about them, I've been researching more on Sagutoyas ever since they were outed as a terrible person
@@amycontreras410 They are gfs, and aspen shadow has said they support sally through the "false claims" even though Sally admitted to the relationship with a minor. And, no, it doesn't bother me much cuz i get very few notifs anyway :3
Some kind of 'groomers" nonsense was spread by kids without even realizing what it really is. Do you even have sex education in schools?
Most ofter for my cultural pattern between 20 years old and 16 years old the difference even in knowledge and understanding of special things is minimal. So their friendship grew into a relationship somewhere closer to the age of 21 - 17. This is generally the time when the first relationships occurs, in their case the internet game of relationship, at least we didn't even see anything about close contact. And certainly none of them were surprised by these sent anime pictures, what we have seen in screens, at that age. Especially considering that the Guy created a server with other friends with such pictures, he invited the Girl where she voiced fanfic for "lulz" like people do on youtube, but there is some teenagers in serv. Does this mean that if Girl and Guy did not leave from there right in that moment, then She and He are pedofiles? No, this means that they were dumb and did not evaluate the situation in any way. Even the Guy himself wrote that in apologaze later. It happens that young people just didn't understand social conventions and didn't care about it at that time. Like when students behave vulgarly, swear and tell bad jokes in the presence of teens. Otherwise, the two of them had a relationship, not aggressive one, but we see right here why she was so embarrassed about it, and totaly it her first, as she were on the path to accepting that she was a lesbian, probably that why she was so trying to be in love with the first friend guy who gave her sympathy.
And I knew that this community has many of autistic fans, which is very cool, and a lot of children, but it creates such pictures of a lack of understanding real human relations. Which leads to completely vile consequences with mindless attacks on a person.
Yes, yes, YES. I subscribe to every word
Exactly!!
she literally told the victim to keep the relationship a secret, meaning she knew it was wrong and she went for it anyway. if you are 20 you should NOT be dating someone under the age of 18, it's literally not that hard to just date someone your own fucking age. is she a pedo? no, the proper term is ephebophile.
also she literally had a groupchat called "yaoi clan" that had minors in it and she sent them yaoi porn and would read yaoi in the VC of this chat... with the minors in it.
@@puppyhowlerephebophile ? Dude, just say groomer and go on with your day. It's not like she's 30.
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hai :3
not the time to joke about this
@@fableindigo4448 its called the consequences of their actionss~~~
@@caniscarniJoking about it is insensitive to the victims. Don't do it
@@fableindigo4448 but wouldn't the victims want their gr__mer to be getting backlash for what they did lolol
Yes what they did was wrong, but man do I miss their animations 😞
As someone who saw the google doc, I feel I’m lacking context for the evidence. I have plenty of evidence but not much context around it. We have Sally telling the minor to be quiet about SOMETHING. We’re told it’s the relationship but we don’t actually KNOW that. Where’s the rest of the thread? I need more before I jump to a conclusion. Sally, please respond to these accusations, nobody WANTS you to be the bad guy, that’s just what we’ve been given. Sorry if it seems I’m supporting Sally’s actions, I’m not, I’m just stuck in a position where I don’t know enough to make my own conclusion. I’m studying forensic psychology, and I’ve learned that jumping to conclusions can lead to dire consequences. To anyone who still supports Sally, I’d advise you to question your support but DO NOT make a definitive decision until we are 100% sure. This evidence lacks the context to be substantial. I don’t expect people to agree but I personally, need more information, not just word of mouth as I, as a writer, have been able to twist words to my advantage so I do not trust them unless they come from the source.
To anyone who actually read my comment, wow, you actually read it. I’m not looking for an argument, just an understanding. If anyone has any extra pieces of evidence, please step forward (to reiterate, I HAVE seen the google doc, do not send that).
EDIT: I just saw a community post from someone involved and I now have a better understanding of the situation. I am very sorry to anyone who was taken advantage of by Sally and hope you get the help you deserve. To Sally, I wish you get help and whatever karma comes your way, you deserve it.
Fae is in Lequarious’ server with you and me but don’t dm them, I think some info isn’t ready yet? From what I know the victim hasn’t given explicit permission for some things to come to light as of yet, and that is their right. But the evidence is damning and we have evidence of sally sending p/rn to minors, multiple times, which is enough.
@@brolylook I know of the evidence which I was given is still really bad. I’m only hoping to get some more context at some point to clarify the whole situation. I do not think Sally is in the right in any way, I just hope there may be an out for them. I’ve never been fond of canceling people especially when they have learned from their mistakes. We do not know if Sally has learned or not, which does not change anything that has already been done it is only my hope to see good in people. Maybe I’m stupid for wanting to help bad people be better but that’s the kind of person I am.
Of course, I do think there should be some form of repercussions for what Sally has done, I do not expect them to go without punishment.
I understand that you are not supporting her actions and all but there is a clear Proof that they sent NSFW 18+ Images to a minor and I think that alone is terrible. But I do understand what you are trying to say.
@@dogswarrior596 thank you for understanding and I agree, that alone is enough proof to cause an outrage and is undeniably horrid. I do not expect Sally to go without punishment in some form, and if the victim wants, they can take it as a legal case in court.