I definitely recommend the Evans EQ patches you're using on the KD-10, and all of its variants. It helps prevent it from caving in so much, and sticks and fits the kd-10 size perfectly. I'm referring to the double-bass version, you get about 1/8" to spare on each side, it looks nice. It does increase the sound just slightly, like a small "thump", but well worth with it given the extra protection it provides. Great tips here, thank you.
Late to this party, but the manual for the Roland KD80 specifically says not to use felt beaters. Which I found out AFTER I made a hole in the mesh head on it using a felt beater!
Great video! I was wondering why I shouldn’t use the felt end of the beater. I’ve heard it before but it was never explained. As for amp, I’m very happy with my Simmons DA2108. Only 8” but the bass gets quite low and it has BT, which my edrum doesn’t have. It also has an out headphone jack so I can now BT music and play along over the speaker OR via the headphones. Sound quality wise it is quite good. And I am picky about sound quality. I tried a Chinese Amazon special “drum” amp that had good reviews and as this fellow mentioned they sound quite terrible. Like very terrible.
been using a falam slam ever since I got my TD-30K. I've never need to change any of my mesh heads. though i think it's time to replace the trigger cone on my set 🤣 thanks for the video Luke, I've shared it to my E-Drummers friends
Spot on about nylon tipped sticks. I've been using Pro Mark nylon tipped sticks for years, but when they got acquired by D'Addario in 2011, I noticed the quality of sticks wasn't quite what it once was. Most obviously I noticed that there is frequently a sharm "seam" in a lot of the nylon tips. This can definitely damage your mesh heads quick. If you're buying in person, feel them with your finger and grab a pair that doesn't have it. If you buy online, like Luke says just sand it a bit with some fine grit paper.
What a shame about the drop in quality. I've not used Pro Mark sticks since about 2 or 3 years into drumming but I remember them being decent at the time. Always good when there's a simple solution though!
I actually use Zildjian anti-vibe (nylon tip) sticks. These sticks are hollowed out and a rubber bead is inserted in the guts of the stick. I only use these for e-kits and find them awesome. Try using these sticks, then immediately using conventional sticks….. it’s like chalk and cheese. The vibrations up your hands/arms is very evident in the normal sticks. I still use conventional sticks for acoustic though, Don’t think the anti-vibes would have great longevity on real cymbals or hi-hats 🤣
Good video, Luke, I've been playing eDrums for 9 years and I agree with everything. I did ruin one mesh head using a plastic beater, appling the patch is an eazy fix, like you said. On top of that, the patch enables me to use the felt beater, which is makes my KD-10 quite a bit less noisy. I've also experienced the mesh heads eating away a bit of wood of my hickory sticks over time (we're talking months if not years).
I am a new drummer, and was wondering about all of those things, but I was pretty sure that those were questions that get asked all the time. So, I was resigned to search around for a while. Thanks for answering so many in one place
Thanks for the great tips! Working on a conversion now, just ordered some mesh heads, and I'll be sure to get a patch as well. Also, at 2:13... killer pun 😂 "...it's gonna save you some HEADaches." Nailed it!
Thank you for these e drum tips. My DW 3000's stock felt beater also tears through the Evans EQ pads after a while, but they are the best that i have tried. I like the feel of the felt beater compared to the plastic side. The EQ pads are much more cost effective than a new mesh head for your kick drum.
Yeah, sounds like the best way to look at it! It gives you the feel you want and a cheap patch that usually comes in pairs is way cheaper as a consumable!
Yup always used bass drum patches and always had great results and longevity. I use nylon tip sticks, but only because I liked the sound they made on my acoustic drums/cymbals and just transferred that preference to my e-kit. Never had issues with these sticks on my kits. I’m mindful of looking after the tips so no rough edges etc and it’s never been an issue. I use a small mixer, 3000w amp with a pair of 15inch passive bins. Sounds good, but yes I can concur the sound is very different between headphones and amplified sound….. you can set up the EQ etc of your drum sounds on the brain module while using headphones, then listen to them via your amplified setup to find it can have a different tone/feel than your fine tuned headphone setup 🤣😂 My setup is a little complicated because I have a Roland TD27 & TD12 (expanded kit) working in tandem. So I use a small mixer to then output their combined sound to another small mixer that feeds the amplified sound. Not ideal, but does the job, just need to be careful to get the levels correct as the amplified sound is supplied via 2 mixers. I could use the TD12 midi function to run both units, but I want the TD27 to be the lead module, so midi use is out.
I just got some no name runber stick tips off Amazon to reduce tip noise on my low volume cymbals with elastic mutes and they work great. They come in different colors and they have a piece that comes down the neck of the stick and they stay on. The mesh heads on the drums were already quiet enough without tom resos and a rubber snare rim guard. The sticks I had just happened to be nylon tips so I wasn't worried about damaging anything but if you are I would recommend them. I use the side of my dw kick so it's plastic but I did with a regular head too. I bought a patch but it made it louder and I'm going for silence so I took it off.
Well I use Yamaha DD-75 electric drums and the amplifier I use is Simmons DA-50 I usually use Clorox wipes to clean my electric drums at least it kills the germs though. The beater I'm using is KAT tennis ball beater
Slightly OT but I noticed the rubber from the cymbals was getting into the grain of the wood sticks. I ended up mixing some epoxy glue and applying a thin coat to the ends of the sticks to seal the grain.
Once again 👏 great video bro. I had to change to wood top sticks as nylon cost me a few heads 😓 My kick Pedal patch always falls off 😭 gonna glue the prick on lol 😆
BTW, I was trying to find a comparison of Roland KD220 with other Roland KD offerings. I'm not sure if you have done such a review, and I couldn't find it in your video collection. Do you have any wisdom about that device? Full disclosure: I've seen one advertised as a separate item, and I'm considering the purchase.
You're welcome! Unfortunately not, no. I've not used any of the Roland "full size" kick drum solutions. I've used a DIY kick for a long time and before that it was a KD-120 and KD-8.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop, thank you. It seems a bit of a luxury purchase, so I may give it a miss. Still quite a few quid, eventhough it's reduced in price. Also, my KD140 is quite adequate. I'm in Australia where it's a rainy Saturday morning. You're in the UK, right? Shouldn't you be in bed? 🤣
The perfect video I needed. Thank you. I have a kd-10 on the way. I ordered the Evan's Aramid Fiber patch too because I wasn't sure. I don't know if that was a good choice or not tho.
@@Chillswagg77 it worked. I was using the patch and the felt end of the beater. Just a week ago or so I removed the patch and turned the beater around to the plastic side. It feels a little better this way but I also made some changes to my kick pedal at the same time so that might be the difference I'm feeling. Patches are cheap. I'd say try it
I can almost guarantee you'll have excellent luck with the Evans EQ patch. I'm using it on my KD-200 MS (basically a KD-10 inside an acoustic looking head), and it sticks great. Just make sure to press it on firmly, and I personally let mine sit for a few hours before I started playing, to help secure the "seal", so to speak. It's a perfect fit too, and looks real nice. You get 2 per pack for like $5 on amazon.
What speaker should I use on a mid gig? I'm using a Roland PM200 for my TD 27 module, but it's not enough, and it sounds so plastic for my ears. Should I use a sub next to the top speaker, or is there any speaker what can carry all the quality what my module has?
Great video Luke i have just bought the Millennium MPS-850 E-drum kit, have you ever tried it out? i usually play my acoustic kit but you know what neighbours are like, so I'm going electric total newbie to E kits and looking forward to my kit being delivered.can i play along to my mp3s through headphones the modual does have a USB input cheers
Nylon tips dont leave marks like wooden tips on rubber cymbals. And bass drum patch is a no brainer. Patch=$5. Roland mesh head= $30-70 dependimg on size. Plus if you sell the bass trigger you wont have to discount it for a torn head. I use 303 protectant on my cymbals.
Hi should i use kick pad patch (Evans eq patch I have got) with my roland set (20" kick attached roland mesh head) even if I am using rubber side of the beater?
Just an opinion on your question, I wouldn't. Just as you get no change of sound out of the speakers if you used wire or nylon brushes on a mesh ekit, you won't notice the change and there will be no different sound from the rods, only a lighter hit. You can get the lighter hit by changing to a lighter/smaller stick. I've played 8DN on my TD20 kit for 16 years. No need to play bigger sticks. This goes along with why you find "Brushes/Mallets" kits in the edrum kit lists often. They've sampled acoustic drums with brushes or mallets and you trigger those samples with your regular sticks but get the brush/mallet sound out of the speakers.
In my experience, the difference when adding a patch is negligible. You're still hitting a surface with a felt-coated plastic/wooden/plastic beater and the piezo only picks up the vibrations of that action, it doesn't need any fancy detection for a kick drum.
Yeah, you can use the AUX trigger input for pretty much any pad. You'll need to swap to the correct preset for it in the trigger settings (if your module is on software 1.02 then there should be a preset for it, if it's on 1.01 there won't be and you should probably update your module).
I use the kd-10 pad and when i read roland say, im parafrasing of course, "sure bruv, wack that bad boi with a felt beater like its an alcoholics wife" i was "bullshit mate" and dropped exactly that evans patch you recommend but clear, works like a charm. Oh and I did change the beater anyways for Rolands KDB-200 because its suposed to be more quiet.
well maybe not edrums specificly but, always buy 2 floor toms sets so you have a place to put your beer on. (im literally using my acoustic floor tom as table in my living room as im to lazy to go to ikea because it works)
Yes, the KD-A22 has a rubber pad surface so felt shouldn't cause any problems. A lot of people still recommend sticking a patch on the KD-A22 (or KD-220/200 etc) to help increase the longevity of the pad though. I don't have one myself so can't say for sure.
I can't stand the feel of the plastic beater side. No where near the feel of the felt beater. As mentioned before, the Evans patch works just fine. (i have a Roland Td-17KVX )
I’m a new drummer and I’m doing great BUT I don’t seem to have a lot of stick action. I’m not sure if it’s because of my e-drums. Do acoustic drums have better bounce back (not sure what the word is)…here I am playing. Maybe I need to raise them higher when playing?? Appreciate your thoughts! ruclips.net/channel/UC2muuiMSJLaGHilUwj8ZGLA
Could I put (actually I already did it so asking if should I take it out LOL) an Evan patch to a Roland KD10? I mean, to be honest Im not really sure if said kick is made of the same material of the larger kick. And if is okay to leave it on, should I then use felt or even so will be good using the plastic beater which is what I reverse it too? Thanks very much :)
I definitely recommend the Evans EQ patches you're using on the KD-10, and all of its variants. It helps prevent it from caving in so much, and sticks and fits the kd-10 size perfectly. I'm referring to the double-bass version, you get about 1/8" to spare on each side, it looks nice. It does increase the sound just slightly, like a small "thump", but well worth with it given the extra protection it provides. Great tips here, thank you.
Late to this party, but the manual for the Roland KD80 specifically says not to use felt beaters. Which I found out AFTER I made a hole in the mesh head on it using a felt beater!
Great video! I was wondering why I shouldn’t use the felt end of the beater. I’ve heard it before but it was never explained.
As for amp, I’m very happy with my Simmons DA2108. Only 8” but the bass gets quite low and it has BT, which my edrum doesn’t have. It also has an out headphone jack so I can now BT music and play along over the speaker OR via the headphones. Sound quality wise it is quite good. And I am picky about sound quality. I tried a Chinese Amazon special “drum” amp that had good reviews and as this fellow mentioned they sound quite terrible. Like very terrible.
been using a falam slam ever since I got my TD-30K. I've never need to change any of my mesh heads. though i think it's time to replace the trigger cone on my set 🤣
thanks for the video Luke, I've shared it to my E-Drummers friends
Spot on about nylon tipped sticks. I've been using Pro Mark nylon tipped sticks for years, but when they got acquired by D'Addario in 2011, I noticed the quality of sticks wasn't quite what it once was. Most obviously I noticed that there is frequently a sharm "seam" in a lot of the nylon tips. This can definitely damage your mesh heads quick. If you're buying in person, feel them with your finger and grab a pair that doesn't have it. If you buy online, like Luke says just sand it a bit with some fine grit paper.
What a shame about the drop in quality. I've not used Pro Mark sticks since about 2 or 3 years into drumming but I remember them being decent at the time. Always good when there's a simple solution though!
I actually use Zildjian anti-vibe (nylon tip) sticks. These sticks are hollowed out and a rubber bead is inserted in the guts of the stick. I only use these for e-kits and find them awesome. Try using these sticks, then immediately using conventional sticks….. it’s like chalk and cheese. The vibrations up your hands/arms is very evident in the normal sticks. I still use conventional sticks for acoustic though, Don’t think the anti-vibes would have great longevity on real cymbals or hi-hats 🤣
@@spideliciousx9822 Yeah I have those too and I like them. Good for super long sessions.
@@singemfrc ☺️🤘
Good video, Luke, I've been playing eDrums for 9 years and I agree with everything. I did ruin one mesh head using a plastic beater, appling the patch is an eazy fix, like you said. On top of that, the patch enables me to use the felt beater, which is makes my KD-10 quite a bit less noisy. I've also experienced the mesh heads eating away a bit of wood of my hickory sticks over time (we're talking months if not years).
I am a new drummer, and was wondering about all of those things, but I was pretty sure that those were questions that get asked all the time. So, I was resigned to search around for a while. Thanks for answering so many in one place
Thanks for the great tips! Working on a conversion now, just ordered some mesh heads, and I'll be sure to get a patch as well.
Also, at 2:13... killer pun 😂 "...it's gonna save you some HEADaches." Nailed it!
5:10 "...STICK with it." 😂You're killing it.
Thank you for these e drum tips.
My DW 3000's stock felt beater also tears through the Evans EQ pads after a while, but they are the best that i have tried. I like the feel of the felt beater compared to the plastic side.
The EQ pads are much more cost effective than a new mesh head for your kick drum.
Yeah, sounds like the best way to look at it! It gives you the feel you want and a cheap patch that usually comes in pairs is way cheaper as a consumable!
Bloody brilliant video mate. - Daniel Ratspliff
Yup always used bass drum patches and always had great results and longevity. I use nylon tip sticks, but only because I liked the sound they made on my acoustic drums/cymbals and just transferred that preference to my e-kit. Never had issues with these sticks on my kits. I’m mindful of looking after the tips so no rough edges etc and it’s never been an issue.
I use a small mixer, 3000w amp with a pair of 15inch passive bins. Sounds good, but yes I can concur the sound is very different between headphones and amplified sound….. you can set up the EQ etc of your drum sounds on the brain module while using headphones, then listen to them via your amplified setup to find it can have a different tone/feel than your fine tuned headphone setup 🤣😂
My setup is a little complicated because I have a Roland TD27 & TD12 (expanded kit) working in tandem. So I use a small mixer to then output their combined sound to another small mixer that feeds the amplified sound. Not ideal, but does the job, just need to be careful to get the levels correct as the amplified sound is supplied via 2 mixers. I could use the TD12 midi function to run both units, but I want the TD27 to be the lead module, so midi use is out.
i like this channel and its approach on things, have a happy new year!
Thank you 🙏 Happy New Year!
What a great video!! Great work 👏 👍 👌 💪 🙌!!
I just got some no name runber stick tips off Amazon to reduce tip noise on my low volume cymbals with elastic mutes and they work great. They come in different colors and they have a piece that comes down the neck of the stick and they stay on. The mesh heads on the drums were already quiet enough without tom resos and a rubber snare rim guard. The sticks I had just happened to be nylon tips so I wasn't worried about damaging anything but if you are I would recommend them. I use the side of my dw kick so it's plastic but I did with a regular head too. I bought a patch but it made it louder and I'm going for silence so I took it off.
I use PA amp and mixer. One 18" subwoofer & one 12" speaker and sounds great. Lots of power. For worship music.
Well I use Yamaha DD-75 electric drums and the amplifier I use is Simmons DA-50 I usually use Clorox wipes to clean my electric drums at least it kills the germs though. The beater I'm using is KAT tennis ball beater
Slightly OT but I noticed the rubber from the cymbals was getting into the grain of the wood sticks. I ended up mixing some epoxy glue and applying a thin coat to the ends of the sticks to seal the grain.
This is great information, thanks!
Once again 👏 great video bro.
I had to change to wood top sticks as nylon cost me a few heads 😓 My kick Pedal patch always falls off 😭 gonna glue the prick on lol 😆
Thank you again for providing such helpful advice.
BTW, I was trying to find a comparison of Roland KD220 with other Roland KD offerings. I'm not sure if you have done such a review, and I couldn't find it in your video collection.
Do you have any wisdom about that device?
Full disclosure: I've seen one advertised as a separate item, and I'm considering the purchase.
You're welcome! Unfortunately not, no. I've not used any of the Roland "full size" kick drum solutions. I've used a DIY kick for a long time and before that it was a KD-120 and KD-8.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop, thank you.
It seems a bit of a luxury purchase, so I may give it a miss. Still quite a few quid, eventhough it's reduced in price. Also, my KD140 is quite adequate.
I'm in Australia where it's a rainy Saturday morning. You're in the UK, right? Shouldn't you be in bed? 🤣
Yeah, I couldn't justify the cost of it personally.
And yes, I am in bed and should definitely be asleep 😂
The perfect video I needed. Thank you. I have a kd-10 on the way. I ordered the Evan's Aramid Fiber patch too because I wasn't sure. I don't know if that was a good choice or not tho.
i have the kd-10 with no patch yet. what did you think about the patch you purchased? is it worth the buy?
@@Chillswagg77 it worked. I was using the patch and the felt end of the beater. Just a week ago or so I removed the patch and turned the beater around to the plastic side. It feels a little better this way but I also made some changes to my kick pedal at the same time so that might be the difference I'm feeling. Patches are cheap. I'd say try it
pro use of that sheet stand there in the background. props.
I'm getting a TD17KVX soon. Should I put an EQPB2 on the kick drum?
Carbon Fibre drum sticks are the best option for e kits ,with mesh or silicone heads )
For protection I use shower kaps to keep it clean as well as the drum heads
By the caps at the dollar store. Where were the good for dust.
Maple sticks do wear down. I play the firth sd1 and the pro mark Jason Bonham. The tips do get smaller.
Is it best to connect my rerun Thu a sound bar ( mixer) then to the PA speakers or Edrum straight to the PA speakers
I’m trying the Evans patch tomorrow.
Nothing is sticking.
I was about to just use duct tape 😂 but I’ll give the Evans a go first. 👍
My main bit of advice is to give it at least a few hours after applying it before you start using it! The longer the better, usually.
I can almost guarantee you'll have excellent luck with the Evans EQ patch. I'm using it on my KD-200 MS (basically a KD-10 inside an acoustic looking head), and it sticks great. Just make sure to press it on firmly, and I personally let mine sit for a few hours before I started playing, to help secure the "seal", so to speak. It's a perfect fit too, and looks real nice. You get 2 per pack for like $5 on amazon.
My Evans lasted about 3 years before coming unstuck on my Roland mesh heads.
What speaker should I use on a mid gig? I'm using a Roland PM200 for my TD 27 module, but it's not enough, and it sounds so plastic for my ears. Should I use a sub next to the top speaker, or is there any speaker what can carry all the quality what my module has?
Great video Luke i have just bought the Millennium MPS-850 E-drum kit, have you ever tried it out? i usually play my acoustic kit but you know what neighbours are like, so I'm going electric total newbie to E kits and looking forward to my kit being delivered.can i play along to my mp3s through headphones the modual does have a USB input cheers
Nylon tips dont leave marks like wooden tips on rubber cymbals. And bass drum patch is a no brainer.
Patch=$5. Roland mesh head= $30-70 dependimg on size. Plus if you sell the bass trigger you wont have to discount it for a torn head.
I use 303 protectant on my cymbals.
Best headphones for edrums?
Hi should i use kick pad patch (Evans eq patch I have got) with my roland set (20" kick attached roland mesh head) even if I am using rubber side of the beater?
Hello
I was wondering if you would recommend using bundle rods or hot rods by Pro-mark on mesh heads?
Just an opinion on your question, I wouldn't. Just as you get no change of sound out of the speakers if you used wire or nylon brushes on a mesh ekit, you won't notice the change and there will be no different sound from the rods, only a lighter hit. You can get the lighter hit by changing to a lighter/smaller stick. I've played 8DN on my TD20 kit for 16 years. No need to play bigger sticks. This goes along with why you find "Brushes/Mallets" kits in the edrum kit lists often. They've sampled acoustic drums with brushes or mallets and you trigger those samples with your regular sticks but get the brush/mallet sound out of the speakers.
Won't adding a patch to a Roland 10 dampen it? Will the piezos be able to pick up the full current/charge after adding the patch?
In my experience, the difference when adding a patch is negligible. You're still hitting a surface with a felt-coated plastic/wooden/plastic beater and the piezo only picks up the vibrations of that action, it doesn't need any fancy detection for a kick drum.
“Stick with it”
can i connect my PDA140F floor tom to my td 17 just by using the aux port?
Yeah, you can use the AUX trigger input for pretty much any pad. You'll need to swap to the correct preset for it in the trigger settings (if your module is on software 1.02 then there should be a preset for it, if it's on 1.01 there won't be and you should probably update your module).
I use the kd-10 pad and when i read roland say, im parafrasing of course, "sure bruv, wack that bad boi with a felt beater like its an alcoholics wife" i was "bullshit mate" and dropped exactly that evans patch you recommend but clear, works like a charm. Oh and I did change the beater anyways for Rolands KDB-200 because its suposed to be more quiet.
well maybe not edrums specificly but, always buy 2 floor toms sets so you have a place to put your beer on. (im literally using my acoustic floor tom as table in my living room as im to lazy to go to ikea because it works)
Can wee use felt on a kd a22?
Yes, the KD-A22 has a rubber pad surface so felt shouldn't cause any problems. A lot of people still recommend sticking a patch on the KD-A22 (or KD-220/200 etc) to help increase the longevity of the pad though. I don't have one myself so can't say for sure.
I can't stand the feel of the plastic beater side. No where near the feel of the felt beater. As mentioned before, the Evans patch works just fine. (i have a Roland Td-17KVX )
I’m a new drummer and I’m doing great BUT I don’t seem to have a lot of stick action. I’m not sure if it’s because of my e-drums. Do acoustic drums have better bounce back (not sure what the word is)…here I am playing. Maybe I need to raise them higher when playing?? Appreciate your thoughts! ruclips.net/channel/UC2muuiMSJLaGHilUwj8ZGLA
Falam Slam sounds naughty
James corden?
Put a donk on it!! lol
and if ya don't like it get on yer bike
Don't want to use a patch? Put electrical tape on your felt beater. Cheaper, lasts forever.
"you might get away with a decent quality 12 inch one" i would say thats an overkill to be honest.
Could I put (actually I already did it so asking if should I take it out LOL) an Evan patch to a Roland KD10? I mean, to be honest Im not really sure if said kick is made of the same material of the larger kick. And if is okay to leave it on, should I then use felt or even so will be good using the plastic beater which is what I reverse it too? Thanks very much :)