The history of it all is kinda interesting as Pilsners originated from Czechia, spread into southern Germany, migrated to the USA, then an American arms supplier who was in Japan built a brewery. Its all Czech.
I adore Staropramen, and it's one of the things I miss most about living in Europe. People where I am now think Heineken is peak beer, somebody shoot me
"Foreign" or "import" beers often times are made in bottled in the country they're being imported into, because actually importing them is more expensive than just making and bottling it on license where you're trying to sell it. There are also sometimes local laws about the beer needing to be made locally, but really the cost of import vs cost of local bottling is probably why the Blue Moon was actually made in Czechia and not the US.
Another thing to mention is that Blue Moon is a brand under AB-InBev, so they have the rights to the brand and brewing recipe. It's an easy "foreign" beer to brew in the EU for European consumption for them.
US based restaurant manager/bar manager/sous chef/mixologist here... Blue Moon is an American beer, New Belgium Brewing co is based in the US, they're just large enough to be able to set up international brewing and bottling contracts to sell their brand overseas. In fact, if you look at the labels almost all American beers available outside the US will be brewed locally, because it's really expensive to ship beer across the ocean, and it really lowers the quality of the beer before it hits the shelf. New Belgium was founded in a basement in Fort Collins, Colorado after the owner went on a cycling trip to Belgium in the 80's. They became famous for their Fat Tire, Abbey, and Blue Moon beers, Blue Moon becoming popular enough it's essentially it's own brand now. It's basically the beer of choice for anyone who doesn't like the more well known US domestics, but it's especially popular in the midwest and rocky mountains. Short of the occasional dirty thirty of Coors or Keystone that is the traditional "Hey you have wrenching skills, come work on my car for me"/"You have a truck, help me move" payment/bribery where I live, it's the lowest beer on my personal list of drinkable beers. It's definitely NOT GOOD with salty or sweet snacks, and it pairs best with savory meats and especially well with seafoods. It's also one of those beers that tastes infinitely better in, on, or around bodies of water if that makes sense, and it's definitely at it's best in the summertime because it's about the closest thing a "normal" beer can be to a shandy without actually being a shandy because of the ridiculous amounts of vilancia oranges used in the brewing process. It's also best served with an orange slice or wedge, primarily for the extra aromatics, but I like to squeeze it and drop it right in the glass, it puts a surface layer of orange oils and juice on top of the beer and gives it an extra citrus-y kick, but I also love orange and citrus in general, your mileage may vary.
I discovered Asahi way before i got into japanese media when I went to japan with my family. And I’ve now probably drunk more than most. It’s basically a much nicer experience than most european beers for me because it’s not sticky and the taste dosen’t linger in your mouth, so it’s nice to drink with food
I like trappist beers because they mess you up. Ive seen one with 12%. It's made by monks under an oath of silence. Also Brooklyn lager is great with peanuts for some reason. It modulates the taste in a way.
They aren’t actually under a vow of silence, more that they refrain from small talk. Either way you’re right about the beer, it’s a great way to be drunk before you know it
My favorite German beer is anything from Schlossbraurei Maxlrain! My grandmother worked at the hotel near the castle when she was young and some of my relatives still live near there. Bavaria is such a beautiful part of Germany!
By my definition pisswater beer, while yeah usually very light, is beer that when it gets even a little warm its true taste is no longer hidden by being kept super cold, and thus it tastes like piss. A lot of decent beers can be drank at room temperature and they're not that bad, some people even prefer them that way. As an American I like cold drinks.
Honestly, as a Czech I am a bit disappointed to see Staropramen representing us, mostly because to us (privileged in beer) Staropramen, Braník and Kozel are probably the...I dont want to say worst because theyre not even that bad...except for Kozel probably...but yeah there are much better ones. Im personally really into microbreweries, but I doubt youd be able to import those overseas for a reasonable price. Out of big brands, I really like Burdvar personally, though I dont really refuse to drink beer as long as its not bottled Kozel. Pilsner Urquell is actually, fun fact, owned and operated by Asahi breweries, hence its like THE inoffensive beer to get. Its probably a bit more hoppy (that herby/floral/botanic and bitter aroma) but should taste rather similar. I havent been able to find it here tho for some reason, though I did have a can of Sapporo a few times. Good beer but I missed the bitterness of hops that I get from local beer, but honestly I feel some German, French and even Belgian beer tends to be a fair bit sweeter and less heavy on hops than ours is. If you ever end up visiting Prague however, I recommend stopping by either Hostivar or Volt brewery, they make amazing beer that is even better freshly on tap. Nothing beats the flavor of beer tapped into a clean glass pint, but for many people its unrealistic to get it, and microbreweries generally get 90% there with their bottled beer. However be prepared to pay a premium, since unlike mainstream breweries with their bottled beer, microbrewery bottles range in both size and price closer to wine bottles, but maybe thats a good thing. And out of those, my by far favorite general beer is Volt Zdroj and ales wise Pivovar Matuškas Zlatá Raketa IPA is genuinely my favorite. I highly recommend you try it, as even if you dont like pale ales (I dont like most, they taste like soap often enough) Zlatá Raketa is a rather mild IPA, still crazy hoppy for beer in general but much more acceptable, and has a citrusy and floral note to it, its quite lovely it. And they sell bottles at most vinotékas, given its rather popular, heck I think I even saw one at Globus once which shocked me. Regardless, best regards from Prague, and Happy New Year!!!
tried beer with a very sweet type of cake before. intensified the bitterness of the beer, and i felt the cake "floating" in my stomach because the place i had it have no other beverage other than beer. overall, a "first time but never again" experience.
Beer with sweet flavors is objectively a terrible food pairing. I don't know what Cici is talking about, it's just straight bad, regardless of whether it's common or not. It's definitely not common in English-speaking countries, either.
Staropramen huh ? It's not a bad one. Basically something I'd buy instantly if it's on sale here in Czechia, since it can become really cheap, since it's not price-y to begin with. Not something I'd buy to be a connoisseur tho. From a Czech beer, I much prefer Svijany, they have some nice selection of really good beers. They don't really export much tho.
The reason is that it tastes bad. Give ice cream to a baby, the baby smiles and laughs because it takes good. Dip your finger in beer and stick it in a baby's mouth and the baby will make a foul face and possibly start crying. It isn't pleasant. People just put up with it because it's the price they're willing to pay to get shitfaced, haha.
Blue Moon isn't meant to be compared to those other beers, it should be compared to a hefeweizen. But then again, drinking American pilsner would be even worse, ours are very deserving of the pisswater label. And no worries Ceci, we call our crappy beers pisswater too.
If she wanted a mainstream American beer I *think* she'd probably have liked Coors. Typically it's what I recommend to Europeans visiting here that don't want to drink piss water, and that I can't convince to drink whatever local brew I'm on at the moment. But yeah blue moon is it's own thing. It's good! But it's its own thing and not really comparable
From what i've learned about Pilsners and beer is you got a few flavors that matter: Malt - The grain is allowed to just start to sprout to convert some starch into malt then it gets roasted. Malt isn't digested by yeast so the flavor stays. Roast - The more the grain is roasted the darker the color and the stronger the roasted taste is. Hops - The bitter and floral aspect There's potentially more but that would be the main 3. When it comes to American Pilsners however, the grains that were grown in North America had too high of a protein content and would make the beer cloudy. The thing is, Pilsners were enjoyed for their light roast and clear gold color. So, brewers would swap some of the grain with corn and later rice to make it clear. Problem is you lose malt flavor. So, you got a light roast beer with little malt and basically just hops. Then we add more hops and call it an IPA. Its no wonder we go so far as make parody beer brands in GTA like Pißwasser. =P
@@jibeeeee I have noticed a lot of improvements by the time the 4th gen came around and the talents have a lot more skills then the first gen that I have noticed as well. Cecilia Immergreen is not only good at speaking 4 languages but can sew, make her own music and make her own games from what I have heard plus Elizabeth is a very talented voice actress and I mean very talented. Gigi is good at writing fanfics from what I have heard as well, it seems like this new gen has a lot more skills from what I can tell, Cecilia feels very divergent in her skills. The first gen feels like the prototype phase to me, like Holo EN getting on its feet for the first time, makes me wonder if the 5th gen is gooding to be even greater in the near future if they decide to make a 5th gen of course.
As a major craft beer nerd I always despair when entire countries' beer offerings are judged on the most basic of mass produced crap. I've accepted that this puts me into an even more niche group than the usual weeb though. If anyone's actually reading this though, I can say from first hand experience that both the US and Japan have an extremely robust beer scene and please don't judge them on just Blue Moon and Asahi, haha.
Yeah i agree with you on that point, but It's (sadly) often the countries highest grossing beers that get on the international market (and thereby the ocuntries least "offensive" ones (often pilsners or weissbier (wheat beers), as they have the least flavor :P)), so at most you'd find the least offensive beers of the specific country. (and it dosen't help that the traditional type of beer served for oktoberfest is weissbier.)
@@Eh_Nope Don't worry I know, and Denmark is the same Carlsberg and Tuborg grøn, are both pisswasser. Though luckily the ones following that (Tuborg classic & Odense classic) actually taste of beer.
@@Wagnogithe standard Oktoberfest beer isn't Weißbier, we all drink Helles. Though I'm sure you could order some if you want. The iconic 1l glasses are certainly not filled with Weißbier at least
Now I understand why everyone calls American lager piss water. It's like a meme word for mild beer. TBH every time I hear someone describe beer as piss water, I just hold my urges to ask them how they'd know about how piss tastes like.
@@Eh_Nope Most popular Asian Beers are light because they fundamentally pursue different things in development. Since a lot of countries are in warmer climate, the #1 characteristic they seek is refreshingness. They want something clean and crisp suitable for a hot summer day. A lot of them are also rice based, which is a smoother and gentler flavor
European relationship with alcohol basically: "You got a mild headache? Alcohol." "You got a toothache? Alcohol." "We're about to cut off your legs. Here's a bottle of alcohol."
I mean it doesn't matter anyways couse it is a regional thing anyways. I live in Bayern so i call it Krapfen, some live in the east and call it Pfannkuchen so it's okay however you call it
Blue moon was one of the first beers i tried when i reached 21 years ago, instant dislike from me on that one as well. It tastes like you just put the skin of an orange right into your mouth. Just the skin, none of the actual flavorful part. And then poured cheap beer into your mouth along with it.
Waiting for the Far Cry Movie watchalong
Also took the wrong image for pretzel sticks 😂
Finally the most german thing from my lovely green german woman
OUR green German woman
@@SethisVoidNo, mine.
*Gold
She don’t seem very green right now.
3:17 Pißwasser, leßgoooooooooo
It's sometimes called that in the Netherlands too, or ditchwater if it's both watery and tastes bad.
Beers under 4,2%alc I call them the same :D
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The history of it all is kinda interesting as Pilsners originated from Czechia, spread into southern Germany, migrated to the USA, then an American arms supplier who was in Japan built a brewery. Its all Czech.
I adore Staropramen, and it's one of the things I miss most about living in Europe. People where I am now think Heineken is peak beer, somebody shoot me
@@Dyllyn133 Then get isekai'd into a world with shit beer, so you have to start your own brewery and get a harem.
to be fair, Staro and buddy are good. The Czech ones. So You can´t argue there
@@PerfectDeath4 It wasnt Czechia back then though.
thank you for the german translations!
17:28 I crumbled to dust when I realized she meant theX-Files theme.
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Immerdurstig
Staráč 😂
Seeing Czech republic mentioned anywhere is enough to make my day. But seeing someone drink a czech beer is something else ❤
"Foreign" or "import" beers often times are made in bottled in the country they're being imported into, because actually importing them is more expensive than just making and bottling it on license where you're trying to sell it. There are also sometimes local laws about the beer needing to be made locally, but really the cost of import vs cost of local bottling is probably why the Blue Moon was actually made in Czechia and not the US.
Another thing to mention is that Blue Moon is a brand under AB-InBev, so they have the rights to the brand and brewing recipe. It's an easy "foreign" beer to brew in the EU for European consumption for them.
US based restaurant manager/bar manager/sous chef/mixologist here...
Blue Moon is an American beer, New Belgium Brewing co is based in the US, they're just large enough to be able to set up international brewing and bottling contracts to sell their brand overseas. In fact, if you look at the labels almost all American beers available outside the US will be brewed locally, because it's really expensive to ship beer across the ocean, and it really lowers the quality of the beer before it hits the shelf.
New Belgium was founded in a basement in Fort Collins, Colorado after the owner went on a cycling trip to Belgium in the 80's. They became famous for their Fat Tire, Abbey, and Blue Moon beers, Blue Moon becoming popular enough it's essentially it's own brand now. It's basically the beer of choice for anyone who doesn't like the more well known US domestics, but it's especially popular in the midwest and rocky mountains.
Short of the occasional dirty thirty of Coors or Keystone that is the traditional "Hey you have wrenching skills, come work on my car for me"/"You have a truck, help me move" payment/bribery where I live, it's the lowest beer on my personal list of drinkable beers. It's definitely NOT GOOD with salty or sweet snacks, and it pairs best with savory meats and especially well with seafoods. It's also one of those beers that tastes infinitely better in, on, or around bodies of water if that makes sense, and it's definitely at it's best in the summertime because it's about the closest thing a "normal" beer can be to a shandy without actually being a shandy because of the ridiculous amounts of vilancia oranges used in the brewing process. It's also best served with an orange slice or wedge, primarily for the extra aromatics, but I like to squeeze it and drop it right in the glass, it puts a surface layer of orange oils and juice on top of the beer and gives it an extra citrus-y kick, but I also love orange and citrus in general, your mileage may vary.
3:17 you said it, Ceci, not the chat!
17:33 LMAO i laughed so hard, music so good for this moment
Thanks for translating!
I discovered Asahi way before i got into japanese media when I went to japan with my family. And I’ve now probably drunk more than most. It’s basically a much nicer experience than most european beers for me because it’s not sticky and the taste dosen’t linger in your mouth, so it’s nice to drink with food
18:23 foreshadowing.
Paring beer with sweet savory meat is good though. Like bacon, ham, roasted turkey
Bacon and booze are two parts out of three of what's known as a Florida breakfast
What about hot wings?
I like trappist beers because they mess you up. Ive seen one with 12%. It's made by monks under an oath of silence. Also Brooklyn lager is great with peanuts for some reason. It modulates the taste in a way.
They aren’t actually under a vow of silence, more that they refrain from small talk. Either way you’re right about the beer, it’s a great way to be drunk before you know it
I wanna see her try Mexican beer
My favorite German beer is anything from Schlossbraurei Maxlrain! My grandmother worked at the hotel near the castle when she was young and some of my relatives still live near there. Bavaria is such a beautiful part of Germany!
No Mexican beer? I’ve been ROBBED
oh hi ~
classic immergold moments. All i will say: Asahi is a extremely good beer :3 approved
I love Asahi, but my favourite JP beer is Kirin Ichiban Special Edition
@@LopezprietoHeck yeah!
Bud Light’s own marketing team say it’s for people who don’t like beer and want to drink a lot of it
Come on Ceci, you can't leave us belgian behind!
Although with the amount of beer we're brewing, the video might get a bit too long
As a person who has never drunk beer I agree.
Send this woman some Pécsi Szalon beer
Look. Blue moon only tastes good on tab. Especially if they put the orange peel. Other than drink responsibly.
By my definition pisswater beer, while yeah usually very light, is beer that when it gets even a little warm its true taste is no longer hidden by being kept super cold, and thus it tastes like piss. A lot of decent beers can be drank at room temperature and they're not that bad, some people even prefer them that way. As an American I like cold drinks.
staropramen trolled Ceci , czech that out
Blue moon is american in terms of recipe and wheat origin but they moved the brewery to czech to save money
You can have cake with Guinness
Le faltaron las cervezas Méxicanas corona extra y tecate
You gotta drench the berliner with beer and then eat it all soggy and yeasty 😊
I wanna try asahi now
Honestly, as a Czech I am a bit disappointed to see Staropramen representing us, mostly because to us (privileged in beer) Staropramen, Braník and Kozel are probably the...I dont want to say worst because theyre not even that bad...except for Kozel probably...but yeah there are much better ones.
Im personally really into microbreweries, but I doubt youd be able to import those overseas for a reasonable price. Out of big brands, I really like Burdvar personally, though I dont really refuse to drink beer as long as its not bottled Kozel. Pilsner Urquell is actually, fun fact, owned and operated by Asahi breweries, hence its like THE inoffensive beer to get. Its probably a bit more hoppy (that herby/floral/botanic and bitter aroma) but should taste rather similar. I havent been able to find it here tho for some reason, though I did have a can of Sapporo a few times. Good beer but I missed the bitterness of hops that I get from local beer, but honestly I feel some German, French and even Belgian beer tends to be a fair bit sweeter and less heavy on hops than ours is.
If you ever end up visiting Prague however, I recommend stopping by either Hostivar or Volt brewery, they make amazing beer that is even better freshly on tap. Nothing beats the flavor of beer tapped into a clean glass pint, but for many people its unrealistic to get it, and microbreweries generally get 90% there with their bottled beer. However be prepared to pay a premium, since unlike mainstream breweries with their bottled beer, microbrewery bottles range in both size and price closer to wine bottles, but maybe thats a good thing. And out of those, my by far favorite general beer is Volt Zdroj and ales wise Pivovar Matuškas Zlatá Raketa IPA is genuinely my favorite. I highly recommend you try it, as even if you dont like pale ales (I dont like most, they taste like soap often enough) Zlatá Raketa is a rather mild IPA, still crazy hoppy for beer in general but much more acceptable, and has a citrusy and floral note to it, its quite lovely it. And they sell bottles at most vinotékas, given its rather popular, heck I think I even saw one at Globus once which shocked me.
Regardless, best regards from Prague, and Happy New Year!!!
She can finally taste real beer.
tried beer with a very sweet type of cake before. intensified the bitterness of the beer, and i felt the cake "floating" in my stomach because the place i had it have no other beverage other than beer. overall, a "first time but never again" experience.
Beer with sweet flavors is objectively a terrible food pairing. I don't know what Cici is talking about, it's just straight bad, regardless of whether it's common or not. It's definitely not common in English-speaking countries, either.
Staropramen huh ? It's not a bad one. Basically something I'd buy instantly if it's on sale here in Czechia, since it can become really cheap, since it's not price-y to begin with. Not something I'd buy to be a connoisseur tho. From a Czech beer, I much prefer Svijany, they have some nice selection of really good beers. They don't really export much tho.
I'm just disappointed there isn't a single dark beer...
Should try some Canadian beer sometime.
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I can recommend super bock from Portugal.
I cant stand beer for some reason but I'll watch CC do anything.
The reason is that it tastes bad. Give ice cream to a baby, the baby smiles and laughs because it takes good. Dip your finger in beer and stick it in a baby's mouth and the baby will make a foul face and possibly start crying. It isn't pleasant. People just put up with it because it's the price they're willing to pay to get shitfaced, haha.
Blue Moon isn't meant to be compared to those other beers, it should be compared to a hefeweizen. But then again, drinking American pilsner would be even worse, ours are very deserving of the pisswater label. And no worries Ceci, we call our crappy beers pisswater too.
As far as a "common" US beer goes it wasn't a bad choice.
If she wanted a mainstream American beer I *think* she'd probably have liked Coors. Typically it's what I recommend to Europeans visiting here that don't want to drink piss water, and that I can't convince to drink whatever local brew I'm on at the moment. But yeah blue moon is it's own thing. It's good! But it's its own thing and not really comparable
From what i've learned about Pilsners and beer is you got a few flavors that matter:
Malt - The grain is allowed to just start to sprout to convert some starch into malt then it gets roasted. Malt isn't digested by yeast so the flavor stays.
Roast - The more the grain is roasted the darker the color and the stronger the roasted taste is.
Hops - The bitter and floral aspect
There's potentially more but that would be the main 3.
When it comes to American Pilsners however, the grains that were grown in North America had too high of a protein content and would make the beer cloudy. The thing is, Pilsners were enjoyed for their light roast and clear gold color. So, brewers would swap some of the grain with corn and later rice to make it clear. Problem is you lose malt flavor. So, you got a light roast beer with little malt and basically just hops.
Then we add more hops and call it an IPA.
Its no wonder we go so far as make parody beer brands in GTA like Pißwasser. =P
@@PerfectDeath4 One of those great details of GTA. 😂
She did not like the blue moon 😢😢😢
I love a woman who can handle a beer or two, CC is precious
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I’m beginning to think of HoloLive Myth as the prototype phase of HoloLive English because I am seeing a lot of improvements with the third gen here.
they're 4th gen*
I mean technically yeah, they're Hololive's first attempt in the English speaking audience.
@@jibeeeee I have noticed a lot of improvements by the time the 4th gen came around and the talents have a lot more skills then the first gen that I have noticed as well. Cecilia Immergreen is not only good at speaking 4 languages but can sew, make her own music and make her own games from what I have heard plus Elizabeth is a very talented voice actress and I mean very talented. Gigi is good at writing fanfics from what I have heard as well, it seems like this new gen has a lot more skills from what I can tell, Cecilia feels very divergent in her skills. The first gen feels like the prototype phase to me, like Holo EN getting on its feet for the first time, makes me wonder if the 5th gen is gooding to be even greater in the near future if they decide to make a 5th gen of course.
As a major craft beer nerd I always despair when entire countries' beer offerings are judged on the most basic of mass produced crap. I've accepted that this puts me into an even more niche group than the usual weeb though. If anyone's actually reading this though, I can say from first hand experience that both the US and Japan have an extremely robust beer scene and please don't judge them on just Blue Moon and Asahi, haha.
Yeah i agree with you on that point, but It's (sadly) often the countries highest grossing beers that get on the international market (and thereby the ocuntries least "offensive" ones (often pilsners or weissbier (wheat beers), as they have the least flavor :P)), so at most you'd find the least offensive beers of the specific country. (and it dosen't help that the traditional type of beer served for oktoberfest is weissbier.)
Dont worry, Germany's most selling beer is also mass produced pisswasser slop like Krombacher, Bitburger, Becks and stuff
@@Eh_Nope Don't worry I know, and Denmark is the same Carlsberg and Tuborg grøn, are both pisswasser.
Though luckily the ones following that (Tuborg classic & Odense classic) actually taste of beer.
I get it but also I think it's actually entirely fair to judge a country's beer on what is popular rather than on niche but good stuff
@@Wagnogithe standard Oktoberfest beer isn't Weißbier, we all drink Helles. Though I'm sure you could order some if you want. The iconic 1l glasses are certainly not filled with Weißbier at least
Got a feeling cc got the wrong snack
Sorry deutsche leute but it's Czech beer for me. But you have the 2nd place!
...and no, there's no beer in states.
I've heard piss water used in english as well
Yeah piss water is right
Now I understand why everyone calls American lager piss water. It's like a meme word for mild beer. TBH every time I hear someone describe beer as piss water, I just hold my urges to ask them how they'd know about how piss tastes like.
2:09 Americans will do anything except use the metric system:
Stimme eins zu eins wie die von Mahluna
Erdinger... Everyone wants to sell well, I know, but 5.7% festbier...
No belgian beer? :(
STARO the Staroprammen noice. Also... it´s called Pfannkuchen. it´s not a Berliner! I ll fight you on that
Promotion of alcohol consumption.
It's for content
I wouldn't call Asahi mild. But then again, she is a European. European loves to drink medicine for their favorite drinks. So it fits I guess.
Asahi is famously light
@@Eh_Nope Most popular Asian Beers are light because they fundamentally pursue different things in development. Since a lot of countries are in warmer climate, the #1 characteristic they seek is refreshingness. They want something clean and crisp suitable for a hot summer day. A lot of them are also rice based, which is a smoother and gentler flavor
European relationship with alcohol basically:
"You got a mild headache? Alcohol."
"You got a toothache? Alcohol."
"We're about to cut off your legs. Here's a bottle of alcohol."
Asahi is wildly light even by Asian beer standards man
Asahi is mild even by Asian standards, over here in Thailand it's famously the go-to beer when someone wants something mild.
But it is called krapfen😢
Finally a person who understands 🍷🗿
"Pfannkuchen"
Ne, da bin ich ganz bei Fräulein Immergold: Berliner
I mean it doesn't matter anyways couse it is a regional thing anyways. I live in Bayern so i call it Krapfen, some live in the east and call it Pfannkuchen so it's okay however you call it
Blue moon was one of the first beers i tried when i reached 21 years ago, instant dislike from me on that one as well. It tastes like you just put the skin of an orange right into your mouth. Just the skin, none of the actual flavorful part. And then poured cheap beer into your mouth along with it.