The thing i enjoy about this show is that it's not just the same thing, there's actual character growth. Raylan is a lot more wise and picks his battles, while Norbert is a mirror into how Raylan used to behave when he was younger. Season 2 with Bkyd returning should build on a promising first season.
I agree with you to an extent. The issue is that while they attempt to show that Raylan is a little older, wiser, and maybe a bit more patient, they also somehow have dumbed him down. He use to be a great reader of people, those he knew and those he had never met. It seems like City Primeval introduces a version of Raylan who has lost those innate skills that make him a great lawman (and a "lousy marshal" as Art once says) and presents a slightly lobotomized version of himself.
Raylan shot more than ten people over the series... And this was like 15 years after, he would be in the records as "law enforcement officer with the most kills"is
Justified was written by Elmore leonard (rip) via short stories, which is why the last season seemed a bit different. And why this concoction will seem every bit as different.
City Primeval is an Elmore Leonard novel, but Raylan isn't in the book. They transplanted one of Leonard's characters into a different one of his stories. Not sure how I feel about it.
Well written. Would've been more dramatic to ask for permission to sit. It would've played to the Boss' pride. Then of course, Detroit wouldn't have looked so rude for plopping down in the chair and being offensive. "We get Justice when he's sentenced. You get order when he's shanked in prison. We both get what we want. There's going to be crime, let's keep it orderly." 😉
Law men are never polite to criminals but only to civilians. A mob boss is automatically beneath them and they treat him with proper contempt even on his own turf.
I thoroughly enjoyed City Primeval. Raylan wouldn't survive 10 years into the future after the original series if he were to be just as triggerhappy, which I think is important to remember. It worked in Harlan because less eyes watching, now he's outside his comfortzone, Kostia the mob boss is also a good character. I'm hoping it gets renewed for another season!
So disappointed in City Primeval. They just had to pair Raylan with a black woman. And not even an attractive black woman! All those years working with Rachel Brookes (the lovely Erica Tazel) and he ends up with Carolyn Wilder? It seems like every TV show, every TV commercial, every magazine ad HAS to have the bi-racial couple. It's just crammed down our throats, just like all of the gay characters on TV. I'm convinced that if an alien came to Earth and did nothing but watch TV for a week, he would leave Earth believing that 50% of the population is gay and that humans are not attracted to people of their own race.
I have to stop clicking on these. Every time I do I am so disappointed. It lacks even a hint of the original series. The writing.....the stupid "justice order" speech......trite and painful. WHO TALKS LIKE THAT EVER, LET ALONE IN THAT MOMENT?
@@spasticnapjerk Poorly. That's the point. When it's clearly just someone's babble and not at all what an actual human would say in that situation it's bad writing. Scripted, directed, and acted scenes strive for believability for all 3 above all else.
of course it's not the original. But i watched the series and it's ok. But raylans old and times changed. It's worth a watch just don't set the bar so high.
This show isn't justified, and that isn't raylan. This is some bullshit attempt to adapt an Elmore Leonard novel that Raylan wasn't even in. Completely unsatisfying and a waste of everybody's time, until the final scene which I won't spoil but you can look up, although even that I am dubious of.
Then don’t watch it. lol. Poor. Baby It’s almost as if. You think some one actually might care. What you have to say. Hahahahaha. Thanks for the laugh.
I loved Justified. I really wanted to watch this one, too, but when it moved to Detroit and the bad guy was a crazy white guy, in DETROIT, I lost interest.
@davidbeppler3032 Actually he isn' t from Detroit. Born in Missouri. Later he lived in Warren a suburb not even in Wayne County. Detroit is in Wayne County
Definitely better than nothing but this new series has nothing on original. Kinda sorta like 1 person. The idea to make his daughter even more insufferable than his wife was bizarre. He should have answered the phone then thrown her overboard. Why make characters impossible to like. That's never been what the show was about. So many characters no matter how bad had something. Lacking in this series completely. I hated everyone
So I watched about 2 episodes of Primeval and had to stop. It appears that they turned our favorite bad a** Marshal Givens into some kind of cuckholded simp that everybody else gets the last word on. Is that about right? And where the heck is Boyd?
Thing is, this story was written for an entirely different character, with and entirely different character arc, and Raylan Givens was retrofitted into it.
I disagree. He's older and wiser and not in a place he's familiar with, so he's more cautious and smart. And Norbert is clearly the character that acts like a young Raylan in this show (this clip couldn't make it any more obvious), while Raylan is more like Art was in the original series. Wiser, better at picking battles, ends up winning anyway. Also i don't recall him watching anyone have sex while he jerks off so the "cuckholded" comment is just bizarre.
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Very well spoken Mob Boss
The thing i enjoy about this show is that it's not just the same thing, there's actual character growth. Raylan is a lot more wise and picks his battles, while Norbert is a mirror into how Raylan used to behave when he was younger. Season 2 with Bkyd returning should build on a promising first season.
I agree with you to an extent. The issue is that while they attempt to show that Raylan is a little older, wiser, and maybe a bit more patient, they also somehow have dumbed him down. He use to be a great reader of people, those he knew and those he had never met. It seems like City Primeval introduces a version of Raylan who has lost those innate skills that make him a great lawman (and a "lousy marshal" as Art once says) and presents a slightly lobotomized version of himself.
Wrong. This show had none of the terrific writing in the original series. This was a shit show, period.
"That's another way to look at it".....two sides to every story.
Marshal Givens stays cool while dealing with so much hassle and wasted time.
The old episodes are much better than Detroit episodes.
Everyone here read every Elmore Leonard book. You're welcome.
Lee Child is better.
This type of dialogue requires timing. Elmore's timing was better
Heres the wrong crowd for that.
Maybe if you had mentioned "burning books" instead of reading them........
Read the book this was based on. About as bad as bad as the series
Raylan shot more than ten people over the series... And this was like 15 years after, he would be in the records as "law enforcement officer with the most kills"is
Justified was written by Elmore leonard (rip) via short stories, which is why the last season seemed a bit different. And why this concoction will seem every bit as different.
City Primeval is an Elmore Leonard novel, but Raylan isn't in the book. They transplanted one of Leonard's characters into a different one of his stories. Not sure how I feel about it.
OH CRAP he wrote Get Shorty!!!
Well written. Would've been more dramatic to ask for permission to sit. It would've played to the Boss' pride. Then of course, Detroit wouldn't have looked so rude for plopping down in the chair and being offensive. "We get Justice when he's sentenced. You get order when he's shanked in prison. We both get what we want. There's going to be crime, let's keep it orderly." 😉
Law men are never polite to criminals but only to civilians. A mob boss is automatically beneath them and they treat him with proper contempt even on his own turf.
the most drama school Albanian mob boss in dramatic history
Most bosses don't get to be boss by being dumb.
I thoroughly enjoyed City Primeval.
Raylan wouldn't survive 10 years into the future after the original series if he were to be just as triggerhappy, which I think is important to remember.
It worked in Harlan because less eyes watching, now he's outside his comfortzone, Kostia the mob boss is also a good character.
I'm hoping it gets renewed for another season!
😂 if his kill count was that high, he would have to watch his back for the rest of his life.
So disappointed in City Primeval. They just had to pair Raylan with a black woman. And not even an attractive black woman! All those years working with Rachel Brookes (the lovely Erica Tazel) and he ends up with Carolyn Wilder? It seems like every TV show, every TV commercial, every magazine ad HAS to have the bi-racial couple. It's just crammed down our throats, just like all of the gay characters on TV. I'm convinced that if an alien came to Earth and did nothing but watch TV for a week, he would leave Earth believing that 50% of the population is gay and that humans are not attracted to people of their own race.
Not sure "we want" isn't "I want"
This role needed Boris The Blade
Is that McManus from OZ?
Yes! But I had to google it to be sure! 😂😂
@@rych7852 Thanks!!!
Why is it acceptable to disparage Albania in every show and movie? It’s the go to for acceptable countries to have bad guys from.
I have to stop clicking on these. Every time I do I am so disappointed. It lacks even a hint of the original series. The writing.....the stupid "justice order" speech......trite and painful. WHO TALKS LIKE THAT EVER, LET ALONE IN THAT MOMENT?
People on tv talk like that. This scene was well scripted, directed, and acted.
@@spasticnapjerk Poorly. That's the point. When it's clearly just someone's babble and not at all what an actual human would say in that situation it's bad writing. Scripted, directed, and acted scenes strive for believability for all 3 above all else.
Exactly!
of course it's not the original. But i watched the series and it's ok.
But raylans old and times changed. It's worth a watch just don't set the bar so high.
A guy with pretentions to erudition...which characters in Elmore Leonard books sometimes have. Usually, though, to more comic effect.
This is timothy oliphant. This is not raylan givens..
so much cope.. what an awful attempt by those here to justify this terrible portrayal
McManus
....it was an honest effort but in jail or out he's a dead man....unless he can save his own skin
American TV , what an absolute disgrace to humanity
It's LIBERAL TV. Don't blame all of America. Just the dipshits on the Left.
This show isn't justified, and that isn't raylan. This is some bullshit attempt to adapt an Elmore Leonard novel that Raylan wasn't even in. Completely unsatisfying and a waste of everybody's time, until the final scene which I won't spoil but you can look up, although even that I am dubious of.
Then don’t watch it. lol. Poor. Baby It’s almost as if. You think some one actually might care. What you have to say. Hahahahaha. Thanks for the laugh.
@@patsquach4080 uh oh, spotted the butthurt npc who can't handle criticism!! "no one cares" you clearly did, gottem!!
Who cares?
The level of intelligence of the USA population really shines through in this kind of films. This planet will be a lot better once the US is gone.
I loved Justified. I really wanted to watch this one, too, but when it moved to Detroit and the bad guy was a crazy white guy, in DETROIT, I lost interest.
You think there are no bad white guys in Detroit?
Where did they find a White guy in Detroit? After Eminem left... that was the last one.
The love interest was laughable.
It was bad and phony. The book really wasn' t all that hot either .
@davidbeppler3032 Actually he isn' t from Detroit. Born in Missouri. Later he lived in Warren a suburb not even in Wayne County. Detroit is in Wayne County
the last series was terrible. Raylan lost his swagger, just a bunch of woke nonsense
Definitely better than nothing but this new series has nothing on original. Kinda sorta like 1 person. The idea to make his daughter even more insufferable than his wife was bizarre. He should have answered the phone then thrown her overboard. Why make characters impossible to like. That's never been what the show was about. So many characters no matter how bad had something. Lacking in this series completely. I hated everyone
Anyone else think the Detective was channeling Raylan from the original series? This version of Raylan seems to be too much of a goody two shoes.
I never saw this version and I'm glad I didn't. This sucks.
So I watched about 2 episodes of Primeval and had to stop. It appears that they turned our favorite bad a** Marshal Givens into some kind of cuckholded simp that everybody else gets the last word on. Is that about right? And where the heck is Boyd?
Agreed. I had to stop at 3:16. That'd be the day Raylan lets someone go on like that.
Sad but true
Thing is, this story was written for an entirely different character, with and entirely different character arc, and Raylan Givens was retrofitted into it.
I disagree. He's older and wiser and not in a place he's familiar with, so he's more cautious and smart. And Norbert is clearly the character that acts like a young Raylan in this show (this clip couldn't make it any more obvious), while Raylan is more like Art was in the original series. Wiser, better at picking battles, ends up winning anyway.
Also i don't recall him watching anyone have sex while he jerks off so the "cuckholded" comment is just bizarre.
@@KZ3fps I couldn't make it past 4 episodes. His daughter was unbearable. Mansell wasn't at all compelling. It honestly sucked.
Mob Boss accent ... ugh.
This is crap T.V. The original was just okay.
Sue Donald Trump.
I read that as "albino" 😂😂😂😂😂