it's more of a 'supporting' mod. it will keep post-turbo air cooler which is more dense which means less chance of detonation which explodes engines. So you can run more boost safely (as long as your car is mapped for it)
Coolant consisting of water also has anti-freeze, rust inhibitors and one make I used had a colour change agent/chemical so when it detected cylinder head gases it would change to alert you early. The system is also pressurised to help with the boiling point. You can get various colours, it depends on manufacturers. GM use red, it lasts 5 years. I quite like the fluorescent green, shame it doesn't glow in the dark!
I was just about to post a comment saying you could cut up some vaccum lines to cover the sharp metal edges, but Marty has already thought of this at 2:45! Mad!
Yes, Because Of a front mounted intercooler, your coolant wont be able to cool as well because the radiator is taking the intercoolers air (which is hot). I'm assuming the Radiator fan kicks on more often then usual if you have a Front mounted intercooler. If you have a full size radiator instead of half, I would recommend getting 2 fans.
I can see the theory behind it, but the temperature difference between a standard and aftermarket is not as great as people think. Mine was 12c, so that would not be enough to make the air much denser or increase power. One way to do it would be to adapt the aircon system and use a heat exchanger so the air was cooled rapidly to a few degrees. Air from a turbo is often around 100c. At the very best you can cool it to warm, but never cold. Maybe use a gas to cool a heat exchanger for max boost.
@mrjost55 Mighty Mods Style, just jumped in and had a go. Do some research, find people who know and ask lots of questions. My welds aren't that pretty but they work and are getting better!
it's all about fitment. however, if you want to get technical, you will heat soak faster with in/outlets at the top.. but it will probably not be noticeable.
Cool that you know how to weld, on top of all the other little mods it took to get that thing installed. Looking to do a stealth Perrin front mount on my 05 STI at some point.
@lmonty007 Possibly, the cuts are pretty minor plus any weakened spots were re welded with extra bracing. Pretty minor compared to how much you have to cut on some cars!
@crenly Any intercooler is fine but piping need to be custom. Well if your car is single turbo than you need a single inlet and outlet, just like what he use. If ur car is twin turbo than you need dual inlet and outlet.
@elvizurbina It is worth it. It gives alot of horsepower, and turbo lag should not be a problem, maybe a tiny bit but that is it. Do not worry about it. Your car will be more powerful and be able to breathe better. And i suppose it will give you that "aggresive look" if that is what you mean.
@xjaredsx No, it's just a newer thing. Like 1996 and before BMW's you didn't need the clutch in to start it, 1997 and after you do. It's just stupid if you ask me, under regular situations I would start it clutch in anyway, car companies shouldn't force you to.
not really, it's just where the pipes fit best by the look of it. Heat rises so maybe inlet at the top and outlet at the bottom would be better. Intercoolers don't make a drastic difference with regard to lowering the temperature. Air comes out of the turbo over 100c, so a small box like that with air blowing in to it will lower it by 10c or so. Try it with cheap temperature probes. For money-v-horsepower it's not worth it, but looks good.
I'm guessing that is a csracing ebay FMIC kit? I'm running the same one on my Sti Type-ra limited. I like the way you flipped it over to keep the piping shorter and safer and I'm thinking about doing the same.. did you need to buy any extra piping? Let me know next time you guys come to over to Japan.
it was a kit but u had to trim and modify pipe work? was in a universal kit type thing? My diesel has a (roughly) 600mm x 300mm x 35mm fmic as standard, was considering getting one that was 70mm deep rather than 35mm.
Is an intercooler just as efficient with the inlet/outlet at the top? I'm wanting to do this to make shorter pipe runs. Thanks and good work Mighty Mods, you do some really cool shit. Peace out!
If you can or still have the car reverse the inlet 180'0 makes the piping a lot easier and more direct only thing is the rad bottle needs moving . I can put you in touch with a maaaaaaad scoobie buider in Perth if you want he's got a car with 600 bhp over there :)
Holy Time warp... did you find a long lost external HD with this footage on? where are you guys? I hope filming and editing a great wad of new stuff.....
did you notice much more lag when you installed it? i know theres heeps of people saying its bad for it in this way and that, but if it still hits boost close enough, then for a street car itll do fine. and was there any differance in power that you noticed? by the way, good work... for an aussie that is haha
Spraying water-methanol too? If not E85, it's a great alternative to run some aggressive timing/make great power with all of the added octane. Plus, it doesn't eat into the fueling headroom like E85 does. Personally, I run E30 + 100% methanol, LOL.
NutriFIT nutritie si fitnes I know they have used E85 on lots of cars. I was curious if they've also used water-methanol. Like I said, it's a great alternative. Even better, having it in addition to ethanol gives you ridiculously high octane and excellent cylinder cooling, something that's very helpful for turbo cars, especially when you start pushing timing and boost.
Actually u are wrong , 100% methanol is really bad for your car and doesnt give u cylinder cooling , it only provides higher octane for timing and boost , 100% methanol wares out all your internals cause its highly corosive! Water does all the work of cooling , 50-50 is the best option for power and effisiency . 100% water is also bad cause it cant burn quickly , if it could most people would use 80 water 20 methanol for that extra cooling and 20 methanol for that extra octane and knock prevent in engine
94simos That's incorrect. Ideal methanol ratio has proven to be very platform-specific and, even more so, goal-specific. Us Mazdaspeed guys have been experimenting with different ratios for years, and the consensus is that our cars do best on 100%, or close to it (95/5%, etc.). Theory only gets you so far; there's nothing like hundreds of thousands of collective miles experimenting to find out what's best. Actual telemetry from actual cars running various ratios >>> what you read in a book or online from a WMI manufacturer who recommends 50/50 for legal reasons (though they often don't admit this). And you're simply completely wrong that methanol doesn't perform cylinder cooling. It's true it cannot absorb as much heat/volume as water, but it still DOES cool the cylinder. The fact that I'm running an ethanol blend too (~E30) adds even more cylinder cooling. And the idea that methanol is corrosive to the steel and aluminum alloys inside my engine is ludicrous. I've seen Mazdaspeed engines torn down after running methanol for extended periods of time. Guess what they all have in common? They're clean as a whistle, and that's thanks to the methanol. There is absolutely zero evidence of metal corrosion or breakdown on the intake/exhaust tracts, valves, pistons, sleeves, or anything else. And BTW, many of us Mazdaspeed folks are chemical/mechanical and other types of engineers, and Master Mazda techs. We know these cars and what works best for them. I have dozens of logs from my own personal car showing conclusive data that 100% is best for me for a multitude of reasons. Specific to me, 100% makes the most power, cools my BATs the most, lowers my IDC the most and is the best concentration to keep my valves clean since I'm direct-injected. Additionally, you have to bear in mind that I'm already running some alcohol-based fuel in-tank. The recommendations you read about running 50/50 or 80/20 are ALWAYS in the context of normal fuel + WMI (from manufacturers, anyways). Running an ethanol blend is an important factor that influences things, especially fueling headroom. Just a tip: if you oversimplify and try to apply a modding principle to all platforms, you're going to be wrong about at least some of them. And there's no replacement for actually DOING it rather than just reading about it.
@gsrangelmon water intercoolers are inferior to air to air intercoolers cause they need some time to exchange heat via water plus they need a pump to work and coolant which ads to weigh and energy loss for the pump! A bigger radiator would do the job but a front mount intercooler is better!
You have to consider the volume of the charge air duct before and after the changings. If you don't do this, you'll might get a higher lag time of the engine, because in this case the turbo needs more time to fill the charge air duct to reach the same charged air pressure. So you have to adapt the ECU software (maybe combined with a bigger turbo) too ;-)
If I dont disturbing you too much, can you answer to me if I can how upgrade my 93 VW Golf 3 1.9 TD 55kw with AAZ mark, with intercooler/chargecooler, watercooled turbo, and compressor to reduce the fuel consumption to the maximum beacuse of overhiting of water which must coolling the motorhead to 89 degress celsius I think soo... To not to overcoming above 60-69 deggres, beacuse engine is not happy too much after 5 km on hi-way!! Just noising..
roughly how much BHP does a FMIC intercooler add to the car. Especially on a twin Turbo Legacy? I have 2002 legacy RSK and am thinking of having to install an HKS ECU + FMIC, i already have an HKS BOV on it
duz anyone know what a good website is for me to get some ideas/help to install a FMIC on a 96 GD8 Impreza WRX??? is there any cutting/grinding involved etc...
it's more of a 'supporting' mod. it will keep post-turbo air cooler which is more dense which means less chance of detonation which explodes engines. So you can run more boost safely (as long as your car is mapped for it)
That intercooler fluid looks like Predator Blood haha
Coolant consisting of water also has anti-freeze, rust inhibitors and one make I used had a colour change agent/chemical so when it detected cylinder head gases it would change to alert you early. The system is also pressurised to help with the boiling point. You can get various colours, it depends on manufacturers. GM use red, it lasts 5 years.
I quite like the fluorescent green, shame it doesn't glow in the dark!
I was giving up on my car, but watching these videos got me inspired. Marty you're a genius by the way. Greetings from the states :)
I was just about to post a comment saying you could cut up some vaccum lines to cover the sharp metal edges, but Marty has already thought of this at 2:45!
Mad!
Yes, Because Of a front mounted intercooler, your coolant wont be able to cool as well because the radiator is taking the intercoolers air (which is hot).
I'm assuming the Radiator fan kicks on more often then usual if you have a Front mounted intercooler.
If you have a full size radiator instead of half, I would recommend getting 2 fans.
There is also the extra air Intakae through the Intercooler, which in then adds a small percentage of extra Kw's.
I can see the theory behind it, but the temperature difference between a standard and aftermarket is not as great as people think. Mine was 12c, so that would not be enough to make the air much denser or increase power. One way to do it would be to adapt the aircon system and use a heat exchanger so the air was cooled rapidly to a few degrees. Air from a turbo is often around 100c. At the very best you can cool it to warm, but never cold. Maybe use a gas to cool a heat exchanger for max boost.
you are a real master to fix your car,you make it look so simple, tumbs up
@mrjost55 Mighty Mods Style, just jumped in and had a go. Do some research, find people who know and ask lots of questions. My welds aren't that pretty but they work and are getting better!
@SuperTheDood Springs that are in it are pretty low as is, any lower and she scrubs
it's all about fitment. however, if you want to get technical, you will heat soak faster with in/outlets at the top.. but it will probably not be noticeable.
Cool that you know how to weld, on top of all the other little mods it took to get that thing installed. Looking to do a stealth Perrin front mount on my 05 STI at some point.
Dedication martin! Working through the night like a Bawsss!
@lmonty007 Possibly, the cuts are pretty minor plus any weakened spots were re welded with extra bracing. Pretty minor compared to how much you have to cut on some cars!
I totally dig the fact that you grind in flippy floopies !
Lower it!! Like really low! Will look so good! Matt black paint too?
@Gcooper0021 as long as it fits and you find a way to properly route the pipes through the engine it should work.
no worries, the intercooler will act as a composite style cushion in the event of a civic impact
@crenly Any intercooler is fine but piping need to be custom. Well if your car is single turbo than you need a single inlet and outlet, just like what he use. If ur car is twin turbo than you need dual inlet and outlet.
@elvizurbina It is worth it. It gives alot of horsepower, and turbo lag should not be a problem, maybe a tiny bit but that is it. Do not worry about it. Your car will be more powerful and be able to breathe better. And i suppose it will give you that "aggresive look" if that is what you mean.
I noticed you used some rubber hose to prevent the frame from wearing through the piping. What kind of glue did you use and did it last?
Marty, I'm amazed by your ingenuity. When and how did you learn how to weld?
4.30 and I'm still waiting for the RS Turbo ;-)
That's exactly what I was wondering, like how do you know something wouldn't snap because of the changes you made?
how strong is your coolant dude?? did you not dilute it??
there was an episode were Moog was always saying "and rake loves it!" I cant remember which one it was...
On the chassis rails.
@TheSickDimension MOOGs tunes. Cheers!
it was from one of the build episodes. either the honda or cior
@xjaredsx
No, it's just a newer thing.
Like 1996 and before BMW's you didn't need the clutch in to start it, 1997 and after you do.
It's just stupid if you ask me, under regular situations I would start it clutch in anyway, car companies shouldn't force you to.
not really, it's just where the pipes fit best by the look of it. Heat rises so maybe inlet at the top and outlet at the bottom would be better. Intercoolers don't make a drastic difference with regard to lowering the temperature. Air comes out of the turbo over 100c, so a small box like that with air blowing in to it will lower it by 10c or so. Try it with cheap temperature probes. For money-v-horsepower it's not worth it, but looks good.
much respect dude. That's a mamoth effort and in flip flops too... I love it!
I'm guessing that is a csracing ebay FMIC kit? I'm running the same one on my Sti Type-ra limited. I like the way you flipped it over to keep the piping shorter and safer and I'm thinking about doing the same.. did you need to buy any extra piping? Let me know next time you guys come to over to
Japan.
dude I should send you my supra and tune it up and hope to get it back..... :D ur good at working on this kinda stuff....way better than me
Where is Moog? Sorry if this has been discussed before. I haven't kept track of mcm for a couple of months
if your going to run on 5 psi of bost you'll be fine on the factory tune. anymore and youll want to get an engine management system.
What's the name of the song at 3:10?
shazam says nothing
Running out of Time - Moog
It's running out of time by MOOG
Thank you very much :D
Chef1894 where can i find the track
?
it was a kit but u had to trim and modify pipe work? was in a universal kit type thing?
My diesel has a (roughly) 600mm x 300mm x 35mm fmic as standard, was considering getting one that was 70mm deep rather than 35mm.
Is an intercooler just as efficient with the inlet/outlet at the top? I'm wanting to do this to make shorter pipe runs. Thanks and good work Mighty Mods, you do some really cool shit. Peace out!
Just curious, why are blow off valves illegal in Australia? I guess some kind of anti-hoon law?
If you can or still have the car reverse the inlet 180'0 makes the piping a lot easier and more direct only thing is the rad bottle needs moving .
I can put you in touch with a maaaaaaad scoobie buider in Perth if you want he's got a car with 600 bhp over there :)
whats his name
Holy Time warp... did you find a long lost external HD with this footage on? where are you guys? I hope filming and editing a great wad of new stuff.....
I have a Nissan 350z without any turbo is it possible to add a innercooler?
1:48 does that compromise the structural integrity of the car / affect handling at all?
yes mate just hook it up to your cold intake
@lmonty007 It does not cut on a place that supports the chassis so it does not bother (sorry bad english)
holy shit, is that an air powered angle grinder?
how does that work?
Nice work. Is the piping aluminum or stainless steel?
Awesome video and well done looks like you done a top professional job there
Is there any disadvantage about getting a fmic instead keeping it top mounted?
Can you have both a top, and front mount intercooler? I don't want to take off the tmic and have a big ricer hood scoop
Is there any significant gain from a front mount intercooler on a stock setup? Considering turbo lag increase etc. Your thoughts, paalease :D
@broke123 It's called "running out of time" and like all the awesome mighty mods songs it's by moog.
@ItsDamianLOL IHI VF23
People make it seem like adding FMIC is soooo hard. This guy did it in under 5 minutes! (that was sarcasm for those who didn't get it)
What's the European counterpart to the Liberty RS Turbo?
+Eggly Bagelface could be the Legacy ?
Legacy RS turbo
Europe and Asia - Legacy GT
In the US of A the sedan was called "Legacy SS" (sport sedan) and the wagon "Touring Wagon"
you mounted it "upside down" to what I usually see. Does this make ANY difference or not? Thanks :)
why do you have no bumper support bar.. is it illegal to remove...i pretty much have too
did you notice much more lag when you installed it? i know theres heeps of people saying its bad for it in this way and that, but if it still hits boost close enough, then for a street car itll do fine. and was there any differance in power that you noticed? by the way, good work... for an aussie that is haha
Love all of moogs beats. I was impressed
Performance wise, what difference did this make to the WAIC?
so the front mount is only held in by cable ties?
Spraying water-methanol too? If not E85, it's a great alternative to run some aggressive timing/make great power with all of the added octane. Plus, it doesn't eat into the fueling headroom like E85 does. Personally, I run E30 + 100% methanol, LOL.
NutriFIT nutritie si fitnes I know they have used E85 on lots of cars. I was curious if they've also used water-methanol. Like I said, it's a great alternative. Even better, having it in addition to ethanol gives you ridiculously high octane and excellent cylinder cooling, something that's very helpful for turbo cars, especially when you start pushing timing and boost.
Actually u are wrong , 100% methanol is really bad for your car and doesnt give u cylinder cooling , it only provides higher octane for timing and boost , 100% methanol wares out all your internals cause its highly corosive! Water does all the work of cooling , 50-50 is the best option for power and effisiency . 100% water is also bad cause it cant burn quickly , if it could most people would use 80 water 20 methanol for that extra cooling and 20 methanol for that extra octane and knock prevent in engine
94simos That's incorrect. Ideal methanol ratio has proven to be very platform-specific and, even more so, goal-specific. Us Mazdaspeed guys have been experimenting with different ratios for years, and the consensus is that our cars do best on 100%, or close to it (95/5%, etc.). Theory only gets you so far; there's nothing like hundreds of thousands of collective miles experimenting to find out what's best. Actual telemetry from actual cars running various ratios >>> what you read in a book or online from a WMI manufacturer who recommends 50/50 for legal reasons (though they often don't admit this).
And you're simply completely wrong that methanol doesn't perform cylinder cooling. It's true it cannot absorb as much heat/volume as water, but it still DOES cool the cylinder. The fact that I'm running an ethanol blend too (~E30) adds even more cylinder cooling. And the idea that methanol is corrosive to the steel and aluminum alloys inside my engine is ludicrous. I've seen Mazdaspeed engines torn down after running methanol for extended periods of time. Guess what they all have in common? They're clean as a whistle, and that's thanks to the methanol. There is absolutely zero evidence of metal corrosion or breakdown on the intake/exhaust tracts, valves, pistons, sleeves, or anything else.
And BTW, many of us Mazdaspeed folks are chemical/mechanical and other types of engineers, and Master Mazda techs. We know these cars and what works best for them. I have dozens of logs from my own personal car showing conclusive data that 100% is best for me for a multitude of reasons. Specific to me, 100% makes the most power, cools my BATs the most, lowers my IDC the most and is the best concentration to keep my valves clean since I'm direct-injected. Additionally, you have to bear in mind that I'm already running some alcohol-based fuel in-tank. The recommendations you read about running 50/50 or 80/20 are ALWAYS in the context of normal fuel + WMI (from manufacturers, anyways). Running an ethanol blend is an important factor that influences things, especially fueling headroom.
Just a tip: if you oversimplify and try to apply a modding principle to all platforms, you're going to be wrong about at least some of them. And there's no replacement for actually DOING it rather than just reading about it.
Do u need turbo or supercharger for inter cooler?? Or can u just hook it up,to your cold intake??
@gsrangelmon water intercoolers are inferior to air to air intercoolers cause they need some time to exchange heat via water plus they need a pump to work and coolant which ads to weigh and energy loss for the pump! A bigger radiator would do the job but a front mount intercooler is better!
Why switching from a Chargecooler to an intercooler? What is the main difference ?
Can you do a tut on how to install the intercoller
@easy313 check out the description on ebay
You have to consider the volume of the charge air duct before and after the changings. If you don't do this, you'll might get a higher lag time of the engine, because in this case the turbo needs more time to fill the charge air duct to reach the same charged air pressure. So you have to adapt the ECU software (maybe combined with a bigger turbo) too ;-)
Very clean. Nice work.
are those the ebay fmic kit and just modded to become a flipped intercooler?
mcmtv2 was there any effect on boost pressure or turbo lag by increased plumbing ?
If I dont disturbing you too much, can you answer to me if I can how upgrade my 93 VW Golf 3 1.9 TD 55kw with AAZ mark, with intercooler/chargecooler, watercooled turbo, and compressor to reduce the fuel consumption to the maximum beacuse of overhiting of water which must coolling the motorhead to 89 degress celsius I think soo... To not to overcoming above 60-69 deggres, beacuse engine is not happy too much after 5 km on hi-way!! Just noising..
lol is the drill bit in the chuck properly @ 2:35?
its not water, its coolant. it has a higher boiling point so you car won't overheat as easily
The sad part is those fmic kits for the impreza usually don't even fit the impreza worth a crap they probably fit the RS easier!!
What happened to the condenser ?did u had to sacrifice it?
roughly how much BHP does a FMIC intercooler add to the car. Especially on a twin Turbo Legacy? I have 2002 legacy RSK and am thinking of having to install an HKS ECU + FMIC, i already have an HKS BOV on it
@crenly i want to install a front mount intercooler onto my 2003 audi a4 1.8t quattro and i would like to know the same
What's that green liquid? that came out of intercooler
CEL light turn on while installing those pipes?
Well done Marty !! Awesome work
Marty
Can u mount any intercooler anyway or is there a certin one?
is the non turbo version of this car any good? im in need of a wagon and im on my p's
not sure. it cant be too much but it would be a noticeable difference
@VR6xPOWER Its called Neutral Bro!
When is your next video, uploaded ?
where do you buy all the after market hoses
@zooflagette How can you have too big of an intercooler....?
Did he use zip ties to hold the intercooler ?
@VR6xPOWER i have a Lancer.. i think my old scoupe did it aswell
@VR6xPOWER it had gone though some tough times
cong. mate.
How many liters intercoler ?
can someone tell me where do those two pipes lead up to? one to the intake?
where is Moog??
Great job, thats allot of hard work.
@VR6xPOWER nah almost all cars have it as a saftey feature .. i just seem to get the ones that dont haha
@mightycarmods where is marty's 180sx??
duz anyone know what a good website is for me to get some ideas/help to install a FMIC on a 96 GD8 Impreza WRX??? is there any cutting/grinding involved etc...