Air Europa uses T1 T2 T3 terminals. At that moment due to covid all operations were in T4 & T4S (Iberia & One World alliance exclusive). The planes ATR, CRJ, 737, A320 are very common for domestic spanish routes, as you mention sometimes is way more cheaper than the ave, i live in Málaga and i take the plante most of the time to fly to Madrid.
I'm surprised they still run short-haul flights - they seem to have given them up in France. I can quite see that at that price and you were already in the airport you would want to take it, but then, how long did it take you to get from Valencia airport to where you were staying? One of the joys of train trips is that they are city centre to city centre - plus anything is nicer than flying!!! Except ferries....
Valencia is a very easy airport to transfer from. 15mins and €4 on the metro and you're in the city centre. But if the prices were comparable, I'd always take the train. In fact I'm on that very train now 😅
ATRs are still in service in India on multiple routes. Nice to see them being put to use in Europe too. P. S. - pls consider changing the color of the font for the commentary
@Ranjith: ATRs are still in production and they are widely used all around the world on short haul routes. They are actually one of the two "standard" turboprops, the other being Dash8-400 (DH4).
I'm somehow surprised to see Air Europa departing from T4, they used to be based at the T1,2,3. Is it because of the Covid situation or did they move permanently? What about the toilet time?
No reason to be surprised that such short flights still exist. And they will stay, mostly for the reason the TR poster experienced here: if you have a short trip JUST from one city to another like Madrid to Valencia like in this case, no one sane would consider to take the plane. But if you are connecting, going from the aiport to the city centre to catch a long distance train, or the opposite way round (take a two hour train ride to be at an airport two hours in advance of the departure - usually on two ticktes with no security in case you miss the connection for some reason), then the train isn't that convenient anymore. Especially if you can check in and clear security in a smaller airport where maybe one hour lead time is sufficient, instead at a mega hub. So you might imagine, that from the passengers on these feeder lines, usually north of 95% connect to/from other flights. Remove or ban such short flights will not make these passengers taking the train, but rather take another connecting flight with a different airline to a hub farther away. One is at the risk that these passengers take larger detours than necessary or even do backtracks (start the journey in the "wrong" direction to go to your destination, e.g. Valencia to Sao Paulo via Frankfurt), which isn't actually the deeper sense of such bans. And here it gets tricky to regulate, as we are on international level politics... But you may see the effects of high speed railways on the fact, that today such short routes are usually operated by smaller regional planes like that ATR. Look at Basle/Mulhouse to Paris for example: before the LGV est opened in 2007, Air France flew up to four flights each daily to both of Paris' airports with Airbus 320-series equipment, in addition to two daily Easyjet flights. After 2007 Air France reduced to two, sometimes three daily flights with ATR's or Embraer regional jets, none more than 100 seats, while Easyjet didn't even tried to compete and simply pulled the plug at the end of 2007 flight plan.
Nice aviation trip report definitely ununsal for your channel 🤔 I found it weird when you left Madrid it was pitch black at 7am in August the airport there looks very modern and nice i wonder why they still having short haul flights when there's very little demand for them and can use train as a much better option
Nice plane and sunrise
Air Europa uses T1 T2 T3 terminals. At that moment due to covid all operations were in T4 & T4S (Iberia & One World alliance exclusive). The planes ATR, CRJ, 737, A320 are very common for domestic spanish routes, as you mention sometimes is way more cheaper than the ave, i live in Málaga and i take the plante most of the time to fly to Madrid.
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I'm surprised they still run short-haul flights - they seem to have given them up in France. I can quite see that at that price and you were already in the airport you would want to take it, but then, how long did it take you to get from Valencia airport to where you were staying? One of the joys of train trips is that they are city centre to city centre - plus anything is nicer than flying!!! Except ferries....
Valencia is a very easy airport to transfer from. 15mins and €4 on the metro and you're in the city centre. But if the prices were comparable, I'd always take the train. In fact I'm on that very train now 😅
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ATRs are still in service in India on multiple routes. Nice to see them being put to use in Europe too.
P. S. - pls consider changing the color of the font for the commentary
Good to hear!
@Ranjith: ATRs are still in production and they are widely used all around the world on short haul routes. They are actually one of the two "standard" turboprops, the other being Dash8-400 (DH4).
I was thinking this service was removed due to the AVE trains that connect Madrid with Valencia
Yeah, if they were the same price then I would always take the AVE
I'm somehow surprised to see Air Europa departing from T4, they used to be based at the T1,2,3. Is it because of the Covid situation or did they move permanently? What about the toilet time?
Don't know about the terminal, and as mentioned I slept the whole flight, sorry 😂
Random question. Now that the UK is no longer part of the EU - thus not being in Schengen, will flights heading there depart from T4S instead of T4?
The UK was never in Schengen, so UK bound flights have always departed from T4S at MAD
No reason to be surprised that such short flights still exist. And they will stay, mostly for the reason the TR poster experienced here: if you have a short trip JUST from one city to another like Madrid to Valencia like in this case, no one sane would consider to take the plane. But if you are connecting, going from the aiport to the city centre to catch a long distance train, or the opposite way round (take a two hour train ride to be at an airport two hours in advance of the departure - usually on two ticktes with no security in case you miss the connection for some reason), then the train isn't that convenient anymore. Especially if you can check in and clear security in a smaller airport where maybe one hour lead time is sufficient, instead at a mega hub.
So you might imagine, that from the passengers on these feeder lines, usually north of 95% connect to/from other flights. Remove or ban such short flights will not make these passengers taking the train, but rather take another connecting flight with a different airline to a hub farther away. One is at the risk that these passengers take larger detours than necessary or even do backtracks (start the journey in the "wrong" direction to go to your destination, e.g. Valencia to Sao Paulo via Frankfurt), which isn't actually the deeper sense of such bans. And here it gets tricky to regulate, as we are on international level politics...
But you may see the effects of high speed railways on the fact, that today such short routes are usually operated by smaller regional planes like that ATR. Look at Basle/Mulhouse to Paris for example: before the LGV est opened in 2007, Air France flew up to four flights each daily to both of Paris' airports with Airbus 320-series equipment, in addition to two daily Easyjet flights. After 2007 Air France reduced to two, sometimes three daily flights with ATR's or Embraer regional jets, none more than 100 seats, while Easyjet didn't even tried to compete and simply pulled the plug at the end of 2007 flight plan.
Yep! I agree, it was very convenient!
Nice aviation trip report definitely ununsal for your channel 🤔 I found it weird when you left Madrid it was pitch black at 7am in August the airport there looks very modern and nice i wonder why they still having short haul flights when there's very little demand for them and can use train as a much better option
Yeah the mornings are quite dark! And I guess some people like to fly and when it's cheaper, then why not 🤷🏻♂️
@@NonstopEurotrip I would have thought it would be more lighter as it gets bright here at 06.45 in the UK and ok
@@DanielsUKT don't forget 6.45 in the UK, is 7.45 here...
These flights also serve as feed for people connecting on from Madrid to other destinations on Air Europa or other partner airlines.