Joker: Folie a Deux was good. I just think since they used Joker, we’d be comparing Joaquin’s Joker to all the other Joker (Live-Action, Animation, Comic). I think that was one of the hardest part of seeing this movie, because the instinctive thought of Joker Vs Batman and not getting to see that or any reference to Bruce Wayne besides the first one. I just think if they didn’t use the name Joker, Gotham, Harvey (Two Face). There could have been a different response to the movie. But since it did, we were all waiting for Batman or compared this Joker in this Gotham to Batman’s Joker. Any other name could have changed the responses and reviews of the film
John Campea covered an article and, in the article, this is basically what was said, the concept came from a dream that Pheonix had & they presented it to the studio and WB gave Phillips complete control, final cut & no pre-screen because he said that's the only way they'd do it. So, this is one of those things where no studio interference allowed people to run around smelling their own farts and a madness of 2 is exactly what we got. Joker 2 Phillips & Pheonix
@ I looked at Arthur as distinct from the comic’s joker, and I still have major problems with Joker2. If I were to accept the 2 movies as 1 long film that I needed to edit down to make the story more distinct, every cut I would make would be from Folie a Deux.
joker 2 being a solo harley movie would have been so much better. you could even keep and expand on the musical portions and explore her falling in love with a psychopath in this established gotham
I need to see the version of the movie where Brandon writes all the songs, including ones for ghost Thomas Wayne and pre-teen Batman. Make it happen guys.
Transformers One has literally been released in less than 10 countries as of my comment and has already made back it's budget. Everything moving forward is profit, marketing costs not withstanding. And those could not have been that high. It does not need to be saved but it does need people to stop doom posting about it imo
@RedSpy47 It has made it budget back, but to be considered a success and worthy of a sequel, it needs 150 million. The marketing failed this movie, and on Twitter theirs a movement to get the movie to success. One dude is literally doing more for this film than paramounts marketing team.
@@RedSpy47 WTF are you talking about? they're not get back their budget back the budget is 75m plus marketing cost and it only earned 97m worldwide and its only get an average of this money 50% the other half goes to theater so no it flopped LOL
@nervenllarena4948 Exactly it wasn't successful but it could be if people talk about the film and recommend it to people and see a good movie rather than a bad movie like the Joker 2
I'm not a huge Buffy the vampire Slayer fan and I'm not a huge fan of musicals however I did watch a few episodes of Buffy and then enjoy them. But the musical episode of Buffy was by far the best episode that I had ever seen of that show. The music was awesome and each number told more about the characters growth or inner thoughts.... Even though it was vastly different than the themes and the energy of the rest of the show it absolutely works..... That is a musical done right
12:04 I’m not too sure if someone else expands upon this but I’d say there’s 3 reasons to why he chooses to not be the joker anymore no matter how he feels about becoming/being the persona or whether it was who he truly is 1. Gary’s testimony started to get to and break Arthur’s facade or struck a chord with him internally as Gary is someone who did nothing wrong and has only been wronged by everyone around him 2. The sexual assault/beating just that whole thing would be rough for anyone to go through And what I believe to be the straw the broke the camels back 3. Hearing his friend get choked to death by the guards after he tried to cheer him up/rally behind him as all Arthur was seeing was nothing was really fixing anything just people being hurt or killed due to this movement that would’ve changed nothing bc the prison, the system, and the people are so corrupt that riots and “burning the city down” as one of his followers says (which he promptly tries to run away from after hearing this) are not going to change anything and cause more misery to the little people, the ones lying on the street, and the people who need serious help mentally and physically
DC movies have been the literal definition of "hit or miss." Joker=Hit/Joker 2=Miss. Wonder Woman=Hit/Wonder Woman 84=Miss. Aquaman=Hit/Aquaman 2= Almost Miss. Shazam=Hit/Shazam 2=Miss
Damn! I liked it, not as a “comic book film” per se, but I liked it. I think it’s nice take on the concept that like good “villain-ry” or antagonism usually comes as a result of motivations/circumstances etc. that typically make the viewer be like “fuck! I kinda feel for this person”. As far as the musical aspect, I enjoy a full on musical - within reason - but I also think it’s nice to weave in the songs into the story in a seamless way. It’s nice when it doesn’t make the viewer feel like OH, shit… this is a musical musical. I don’t think this had to be a full on musical.
Hi guys! Would love to see your review for the new Dreamworks film “THE WILD ROBOT”. I’ve seen it twice now (hoping for a 3rd and 4th time)…and sobbed. It’s so good! I hope word of mouth helps the box office!
People are angry that Arthur isn’t The Joker. It’s called “joker”, he is A joker. If you removed the “Arkham” sign and any reference to Gotham, there’s nothing that makes this the DC Joker. He’s an abused kid grown up into a mentally ill man in a terrible city. Anything else is projecting our expectation of The Joker onto him. (Har)Lee’s reaction to him later in the film is the audiences’ misunderstanding of the movie and the character. She wanted the Joker and he was only ever Arthur (just like the critics) Speaking of the music… the reason for the music? He first saw Lee in music therapy and she sang to him. If it was art therapy, Arthur would have been dancing through paintings to woo her in his hallucinations. Lee’s love language is music. She was a privileged upper East sider. She probably had music, voice, dance lessons as the girl of rich parents. This isn’t a musical, it’s the fever dream of a lovestruck, obsessive mental patient. He’s mentally ill, not a mastermind anarchist. Can anyone honestly say that you could see Arthur from Joker1 planning the downfall of Gotham? Outsmarting any of the batmans we’ve seen (Pattinson’s?!). Do you see him making penguin or the riddler bend the knee? Would Bane freeze at the sight of him?See him walk into a room full of mob bosses and walk out unscathed? Manufacture timed explosives, p0is0n gas, fight Batman hand to hand? He was full of swagger as joker, but he wasn’t smarter; he didn’t demonstrate any greater competency, he had no skills other than a good strut. Even his court skills were true to the story; his defense was so incompetent.. exactly what an uneducated person would be able to do. It’s like the arguments you hear in traffic court by people defending themselves. Heck, this was even shown in the 1st movie. Joker’s super moment on the stairs is shown as him just dancing like an idiot (lots of pelvic thrusts) hearing his own music. He was never The Joker. Even at the end of Joker1 we see him in police custody with no sign of a fight. He probably just sat down on the couch and waited for the police. Remember his plan was self h@rm, not murd3r. He didn’t know what to do next. Then he gets rescued by his followers and he stands on top of the car (again, just a strut) Then we see him hunched over, laughing his painful Arthur laugh smoking a cigarette with another counselor in Arkham. He was caught again. The audience wanted to see him powerful, so it did, but he was still Arthur just playing more roles for atttention and love. They wanted Hannibal Lechter but he was always Buffalo Bill
Hi. Me again. Note aside: do not forget that the next quote is cannon and from Tarantino's mouth directly. Jules is the organ player in the Bride's wedding (KB vol2), so he also pays at the end.
I’ve never wanted to walk out of a movie before, this one had me so bored, thank god I was in the back row with nobody else in that row, so I could use my phone. Only reason I sat through is I heard it was a controversial ending and wanted to see it myself
That’s the point he doesn’t consider this a failure because he didn’t want to make a sequel, he decided to just troll WB and all DC fans and as a dc fan and a troll I love it lol
David Zaslav laughs to himself while smoking a cigarette and thinking about spending a quarter billion on yet another infamously terrible decision. "What's so funny?" "You wouldn't get it."
Get this shit 😂 Tod in a stroke of abject idiocy DIRECTED THEM TO SING OFF KEY AND OUT OF TUNE. You know, because he wanted to make his movie real bad on purpose, apparently
I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, Heath's Joker was the first to sport the 'Glasgow Smile', and when 'The Dark Knight' skyrocketed at the box office, Brian Azzarello and Lee Bermejo made their Joker with a Glasgow Smile as well. Again, correct me if I'm wrong...
I think there is some very good craft in this film, all the acting, the cinematography, and some of the scenes. The reason this film is scoring so low is how extremely disappointing it is. The first one astounded me. I expected it to be exceeded and J2 was only passable. I’d still say it’s a very artistic middling film. I just hated the story and couldn’t figure out why this story needed telling nor what it was attempting to say beyond what was much more successfully achieved in the first. People are angry about being let down. Especially because some contend that this movie is a Fuck You to the audience . People are insulted. I’m not sure it was intentional, but it does communicate contempt. The things that happen to the 2 most sympathetic characters are as extreme as it gets. But why? Just to rub it in our faces?Nothing in this film was earned. But, it’s still not actually a bad film. It swing and missed. What perplexes me is how many absolutely brilliant elements are in this film. Somehow Phillips managed to use the best ingredients imaginable and he couldn’t create a good dish with them. I do love creating pieces though. The bomb sequence is the best cinema explosion I’ve ever seen! It’s so frustrating. There were so many avenues to tell so many potentially great stories!
If the first one was mad for $55 million why did anyone think to give it a 4X budget...... The lesson should have been a moderate budget for an unexpectedly large box office return......
@@phillyvoodoo This film did not have wide appeal. The first one did. I don’t feel that anyone involved adequately examined why Joker worked for so many people. They assumed that anything Phillips might do would have the same appeal. They were wrong.
Yes i do agree thr Gary scene was the best part of the film. A great twist which should have been obvious of Gary feeling betrayed and in fear is not because of what he saw but it was the only guy who was nice to him is capable of what he did is why, the fact that if the nicest guy to him is capable of that in the world, the demons of those who arent nice to him is what he fears.
The Mr. Puddles scene was the best of the movie for me. 2nd best went to the 'beats me!' joke. Other than that, I'm still trying to understand how I feel about the movie!
In opposition to most people I liked the movie. I thought it was an interesting continuation on the idea of “nobody cared who I was before I put on the mask” to use a Batman reference. And I felt like we followed it to its furthest logical conclusion
So here's the deal. We, the audience of the movie, are Gaga. We, as she did at the end, check out and left him for being boring, for not being what we expected and/or what we think he should be. We, as she did, punish him for his daydreams, and because he wanted to be loved, and to be better, and healthy and finally respected for who he was, and not the psychopath we wanted him to be (that's the commentary Phillips is making out of us). He (Phillips) is telling us: you never really loved Arthur, all you wanted was the show, the controversy, the mayhem and the madness for the sake of the madness.And also Arthur think he did wanted that, the kind of attention everybody confuses with love. We check in and check out into Joker as we pleased, we make him believe we understood, but we never did, we lied to him because: he's so much fun!!! AND YES! it could have been a WAYYYYY MOREEEEE entertaining movie making the same points. But I think that was not the point. The movie it self its confusing and doesn't know what it is at moments, or what it wants to be: Its a movie that is trying to please and be it self at the same time and doesn't know how: The same way Arthur is - was to himself and to Gaga (again, we the audience). Thats why Phillips kill him so unceremoniously and in such anti-climatic way: there he is, you never deserve him, never understood what this version meant, this is really what you think the movie and the character deserves, so here's your entertainment and what you being asking for (audiences and pretty possibly WB too): There's your H. Ledger reminder (although I would've cast J. Nicholson's son to make an even stronger point - despite his SMILE too). And its just my opinion.
I wasn't interested in seeing Joker, but it was so successful and stayed in theaters so long that I eventually did. It was a great film but it wasn't a Joker film. I thought of it like Taxi Driver themed Elseworld's story that focused on the Joker character. DC has some great Elsworld's stories such as Kingdom Come, but they better not ever try to make a film of that because they'll just ruin it. But I wasn't expecting this sequel to be worth the ticket price.
I watched the movie Tuesday night right before watching Terrifier 3, going in knowing most people were down on the film. Though I wasn't expecting it to be bad, I was expecting to be wrong, and... I was right. Just for a quick review: the musical segments were done as well as they could have been, but the film overall was very good. For an in-depth analysis... Okay, so, the first film kinda has this air around it that gives it the feeling of being an extremely deep film, but... It's not? From the subtext to the actual text, the movie's just a warning of what can happen, what has happened, and what is happening when society doesn't do its due diligence, and when broken people cave in to their darkest thoughts. This film, though, was a response to the reaction to that film. A lot of people were viewing Arthur Fleck as a hero, or a role model. They didn't just identify with him and his shitty life, they felt all the chaos he created was justified (and maybe felt they wanted to do the same thing, even if they never actually did). Which was obviously not the message of the first film. So when Todd made this, he took a clear stance against those people. He intentionally pissed them off (which is not only extremely funny, but also just a good thing, generally). He explored the question of who exactly the "Joker" was, and in doing so actually made Arthur Fleck much more sympathetic through introducing the abusive childhood and the straight up sexual assault the guards inflict upon him toward the end of the film. But while the film still kept the sympathetic angle, it also denounced people like the Joker. It denounced people who viewed him as a role model. Harley Quinn, as well as some of the prisoners and the people who bomb the court house, is a stand-in for all those people, and they're the villains of the movie, and it works exceptionally well, not only in exploring Arthur Fleck as a character, but also in the role reversal of Joker and Harley Quinn. The film was just very fascinating as a whole, and the Puddles interview, the 'Joker is Me' song, and Arthur's breakdown in the courthouse where he admits to everything and just tells the truth are honestly what make the film for me. The rest of it is also done extremely well, but without those scenes, the message of the movie doesn't come across clearly, and the movie fails narratively. Overall, I think Joker was a better film, but Joker: Folie á Deux had a lot more to say, and it said it just as well. I will be rewatching both movies frequently, because they're both great. And while I'm not one to promote my opinion as objective, or to denounce the opinions of others as objectively wrong, I do feel in this instance that most people are objectively wrong about this film, in every way. As for the DC Comics nature of the film, or lack thereof, what were you guys expecting? The first film was the same thing this was, which was using DC Comics characters to tell a compelling story that needs to be heard. But DC Comics was always the backdrop. You could change these movies so that they wouldn't be DC movies, and they would come across the exact same way, which is a GOOD thing, given what Todd Phillips was trying to do. Honestly, I think we should get MORE stories like this, where the adaptation element is merely using a brand as an excuse to tell a story to a wide audience.
Remember, this is the same guy that made a documentary about GG Allin. Phillips didn’t want to make a sequel to Joker so he took $200,000000 from Warner Brother’s and flushed it down the toilet deliberately, making a movie that he knew would piss people off, it’s the ultimate troll and very punk, I kinda admire that. Wether the film is any good or not is a different matter entirely.
This movie definitely had so many good ideas that could have made me want to keep watching but thanks to the music all of that is lost. Everytime they sing i wanted it to end.
IMO the sequel worked perfect for me. Not a perfect film but from what I saw in the first film they made it clear plus the different leaks where the story was goibg to go.
Warner Brothers Discovery gave AEW a new TV deal, adding streaming for their PPVs on Max. I don't know if that is good or bad with the ratings in a freefall. I hope that WBD can turn things around.
I’m among the few that really enjoyed it! Not as great as the first film but as a huge fan of that film and this character I was heartbrokenly happy with the film.
@@rubberbandman3rd He's still an alien, it shows Lex insecurities hating bc he's not a real American human even though they're the same color. To Lex, Superman claims to be American but stands for and helps every nation. For someone insecure that's all it takes is having different values to discredit someone else, even though his true hatred is not being able to do what Superman can
If they went hard into the Harley and joker story and dropped all the music that completely took you out of it, it would be a good movie. The Harley Quinn origin was wack
It's really simple. We wanted to see a Joker movie where he starts to develop his "criminal mastermind" skills and there are periods where he was just causing chaos. We were on board with Lady Gaga was his partner. The problem is what we got for the sequel was Joker getting the persona beaten out of him and then he's killed for it. It's just such a contrast.
It was a great movie about modern society, about the denial of reality, about pseudo-fanaticism, about masks. It's amazing how Todd Phillips hit the nail on the head with the image of the crowd that supports the Joker, but refuses to see him as Arthur. The court scene, when several sympathizers leave after Lee, is a direct image of the negative reactors that have polluted the film and are leaving the show. It's all a clown show. It's time to accept reality as it is. Without whining, crying, without voicing your idiotic ideas "I thought he would become the criminal king of Gotham, eh, eh" or "how did he break? After all, under the pressure of society, people become stronger, heroes or supervillains, eh, eh"...
the marvels should have been the 3rd captain marvel film, first more ms marvel, either a season 2 or a special and then a monica solo movie/special and then the marvels
I think yall missed about the scene of Joker and Harley is the fact that it was implied that she offered herself to get in the cell. Still dont know if it was a delusion or not but it was HOW HE FINDS OUT SHE LEFT. At first i thought it was another delusional scene like the first film but how she said she got her ways is that she offered herself. When Joker went back to his cell nakes, dont think he was molested he was hust COMPLETELY beaten and they took off his clothes to apply as much pain as possible. This is just a bad film because the original one was.
I loved it more then the first I really truly did I could have got to the 10/10 with the problems it had if Todd would have paid Al Pacino to show up in the movie as tony Montana and gave him and the joker a scene together because this movie and the first movie together is Scarface
Well, it wasn't an idea. He was just saying that if Nolans version was ultra realistic, then Bruce would have would have been raped since he's a random white dude in a Asian prison all alone. So it was never a idea or even a thing he would do just a random comment taken out of context.
May be the first time I legit regret seeing a movie (in theatres especially). This took away from the first movie. I won't go as far as comparing it to the last 2 seasons of Game Of Thrones, but it's ruining an IP (at least this version of it)
I was so disappointed. I hated every second, i dont think there's one redeeming quality, in my opinion. I dont want to see a pathetic Joker, I want the real Joker.
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What did YOU think of Joker: Folie a Deux?
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Joker: Folie a Deux was good. I just think since they used Joker, we’d be comparing Joaquin’s Joker to all the other Joker (Live-Action, Animation, Comic). I think that was one of the hardest part of seeing this movie, because the instinctive thought of Joker Vs Batman and not getting to see that or any reference to Bruce Wayne besides the first one.
I just think if they didn’t use the name Joker, Gotham, Harvey (Two Face). There could have been a different response to the movie.
But since it did, we were all waiting for Batman or compared this Joker in this Gotham to Batman’s Joker.
Any other name could have changed the responses and reviews of the film
John Campea covered an article and, in the article, this is basically what was said, the concept came from a dream that Pheonix had & they presented it to the studio and WB gave Phillips complete control, final cut & no pre-screen because he said that's the only way they'd do it. So, this is one of those things where no studio interference allowed people to run around smelling their own farts and a madness of 2 is exactly what we got. Joker 2 Phillips & Pheonix
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@ I looked at Arthur as distinct from the comic’s joker, and I still have major problems with Joker2. If I were to accept the 2 movies as 1 long film that I needed to edit down to make the story more distinct, every cut I would make would be from Folie a Deux.
Brandon's idea to include a running gag of people throwing things at Harvey Dent's face is pure gold.
So I guess we're not getting Joker Ménage à Trois
Ménage à trois*
That's my pitch for a Joker/Bane/Deathstroke film 😂
@@yentheoerlemans oh thanks
joker 2 being a solo harley movie would have been so much better. you could even keep and expand on the musical portions and explore her falling in love with a psychopath in this established gotham
13 minute standing ovation remember guys 😂
That's a long time😅
What a bunch of clowns. *Que the drums
just exposes what a poser party that is
Wtf???
Yeah, it's not like Cannes is filled with sycophantic social climbers trying to find any excuse to brown nose or anything.
I think Across the Universe is a great example of a musical using preexisting song and weaving them into the story. That movie was great.
I need to see the version of the movie where Brandon writes all the songs, including ones for ghost Thomas Wayne and pre-teen Batman. Make it happen guys.
Papa can you hear me🎶
You guys need to talk about Transformers One which is a amazing movie and needs to be saved.
Transformers One has literally been released in less than 10 countries as of my comment and has already made back it's budget. Everything moving forward is profit, marketing costs not withstanding. And those could not have been that high. It does not need to be saved but it does need people to stop doom posting about it imo
@RedSpy47 It has made it budget back, but to be considered a success and worthy of a sequel, it needs 150 million. The marketing failed this movie, and on Twitter theirs a movement to get the movie to success. One dude is literally doing more for this film than paramounts marketing team.
@@RedSpy47 WTF are you talking about? they're not get back their budget back the budget is 75m plus marketing cost and it only earned 97m worldwide and its only get an average of this money 50% the other half goes to theater so no it flopped LOL
@nervenllarena4948 Exactly it wasn't successful but it could be if people talk about the film and recommend it to people and see a good movie rather than a bad movie like the Joker 2
Saw it yesterday, the crowd cheered at the end. It really resonated with crowds.
I'm not a huge Buffy the vampire Slayer fan and I'm not a huge fan of musicals however I did watch a few episodes of Buffy and then enjoy them. But the musical episode of Buffy was by far the best episode that I had ever seen of that show. The music was awesome and each number told more about the characters growth or inner thoughts.... Even though it was vastly different than the themes and the energy of the rest of the show it absolutely works..... That is a musical done right
When I saw this no one was clapping it was so silent you can hear crickets chirping and pins dropped I absolutely loved the movie
*Unless it’s Mamma Mia! Unless it’s Mamma Mia!*
The beef short rib - yesterday’s pot roast was a great example
12:04 I’m not too sure if someone else expands upon this but I’d say there’s 3 reasons to why he chooses to not be the joker anymore no matter how he feels about becoming/being the persona or whether it was who he truly is
1. Gary’s testimony started to get to and break Arthur’s facade or struck a chord with him internally as Gary is someone who did nothing wrong and has only been wronged by everyone around him
2. The sexual assault/beating just that whole thing would be rough for anyone to go through
And what I believe to be the straw the broke the camels back
3. Hearing his friend get choked to death by the guards after he tried to cheer him up/rally behind him as all Arthur was seeing was nothing was really fixing anything just people being hurt or killed due to this movement that would’ve changed nothing bc the prison, the system, and the people are so corrupt that riots and “burning the city down” as one of his followers says (which he promptly tries to run away from after hearing this) are not going to change anything and cause more misery to the little people, the ones lying on the street, and the people who need serious help mentally and physically
Yea after seeing the reviews for it I'm gunna save my money and wait til it's on max to watch it
DC movies have been the literal definition of "hit or miss." Joker=Hit/Joker 2=Miss. Wonder Woman=Hit/Wonder Woman 84=Miss. Aquaman=Hit/Aquaman 2= Almost Miss. Shazam=Hit/Shazam 2=Miss
Damn! I liked it, not as a “comic book film” per se, but I liked it. I think it’s nice take on the concept that like good “villain-ry” or antagonism usually comes as a result of motivations/circumstances etc. that typically make the viewer be like “fuck! I kinda feel for this person”.
As far as the musical aspect, I enjoy a full on musical - within reason - but I also think it’s nice to weave in the songs into the story in a seamless way. It’s nice when it doesn’t make the viewer feel like OH, shit… this is a musical musical. I don’t think this had to be a full on musical.
Hi guys! Would love to see your review for the new Dreamworks film “THE WILD ROBOT”. I’ve seen it twice now (hoping for a 3rd and 4th time)…and sobbed. It’s so good! I hope word of mouth helps the box office!
Not me shutting off Holy Musical Batman to listen to this… TEAM STARKID!!!
People are angry that Arthur isn’t The Joker. It’s called “joker”, he is A joker.
If you removed the “Arkham” sign and any reference to Gotham, there’s nothing that makes this the DC Joker. He’s an abused kid grown up into a mentally ill man in a terrible city.
Anything else is projecting our expectation of The Joker onto him. (Har)Lee’s reaction to him later in the film is the audiences’ misunderstanding of the movie and the character. She wanted the Joker and he was only ever Arthur (just like the critics)
Speaking of the music… the reason for the music? He first saw Lee in music therapy and she sang to him. If it was art therapy, Arthur would have been dancing through paintings to woo her in his hallucinations. Lee’s love language is music. She was a privileged upper East sider. She probably had music, voice, dance lessons as the girl of rich parents. This isn’t a musical, it’s the fever dream of a lovestruck, obsessive mental patient.
He’s mentally ill, not a mastermind anarchist. Can anyone honestly say that you could see Arthur from Joker1 planning the downfall of Gotham? Outsmarting any of the batmans we’ve seen (Pattinson’s?!). Do you see him making penguin or the riddler bend the knee? Would Bane freeze at the sight of him?See him walk into a room full of mob bosses and walk out unscathed? Manufacture timed explosives, p0is0n gas, fight Batman hand to hand?
He was full of swagger as joker, but he wasn’t smarter; he didn’t demonstrate any greater competency, he had no skills other than a good strut. Even his court skills were true to the story; his defense was so incompetent.. exactly what an uneducated person would be able to do. It’s like the arguments you hear in traffic court by people defending themselves.
Heck, this was even shown in the 1st movie. Joker’s super moment on the stairs is shown as him just dancing like an idiot (lots of pelvic thrusts) hearing his own music. He was never The Joker.
Even at the end of Joker1 we see him in police custody with no sign of a fight. He probably just sat down on the couch and waited for the police. Remember his plan was self h@rm, not murd3r. He didn’t know what to do next. Then he gets rescued by his followers and he stands on top of the car (again, just a strut) Then we see him hunched over, laughing his painful Arthur laugh smoking a cigarette with another counselor in Arkham. He was caught again. The audience wanted to see him powerful, so it did, but he was still Arthur just playing more roles for atttention and love.
They wanted Hannibal Lechter but he was always Buffalo Bill
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Hi. Me again. Note aside: do not forget that the next quote is cannon and from Tarantino's mouth directly. Jules is the organ player in the Bride's wedding (KB vol2), so he also pays at the end.
I’ve never wanted to walk out of a movie before, this one had me so bored, thank god I was in the back row with nobody else in that row, so I could use my phone. Only reason I sat through is I heard it was a controversial ending and wanted to see it myself
So after it was over, were you glad you stayed or angry you didn't liten to your gut?
@@11cabadger should have listened to my gut lmao
Just leave next time. Get a refund🎉
What was the ending? Everyone keeps talking about this.
"yo what if we made the sequel of our movie mock the people who liked the first one also it's a musical"
Yeah that'll teach'em!
@@krisdunphy1073😂😂😂
“Let’s mock the people that made us $1 billion”
That’s the point he doesn’t consider this a failure because he didn’t want to make a sequel, he decided to just troll WB and all DC fans and as a dc fan and a troll I love it lol
@@knightwingprotocal true
Brandon at 31:17 is exactly how I felt walking out of the theater!!😂😂❤
David Zaslav laughs to himself while smoking a cigarette and thinking about spending a quarter billion on yet another infamously terrible decision.
"What's so funny?"
"You wouldn't get it."
Get this shit 😂 Tod in a stroke of abject idiocy DIRECTED THEM TO SING OFF KEY AND OUT OF TUNE.
You know, because he wanted to make his movie real bad on purpose, apparently
I got really excited when they mentioned Team Starkid, go watch them!
I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, Heath's Joker was the first to sport the 'Glasgow Smile', and when 'The Dark Knight' skyrocketed at the box office, Brian Azzarello and Lee Bermejo made their Joker with a Glasgow Smile as well. Again, correct me if I'm wrong...
Apparently the word from high up said that the idea for joker folie a deux came from a dream of Joaquin Phoenix... Lol
Makes sense, the whole movie is a fever dream lmao
The same thing happened with Jan de Bont when he decided to make Speed 2: Cruise Control. 😅
Then phoenix had a recurring nightmare about losing 150 million dollars...lol
Star kids shout out? Morning made! Thank you NewRockstars🎉
I think there is some very good craft in this film, all the acting, the cinematography, and some of the scenes. The reason this film is scoring so low is how extremely disappointing it is. The first one astounded me. I expected it to be exceeded and J2 was only passable. I’d still say it’s a very artistic middling film. I just hated the story and couldn’t figure out why this story needed telling nor what it was attempting to say beyond what was much more successfully achieved in the first. People are angry about being let down. Especially because some contend that this movie is a Fuck You to the audience . People are insulted. I’m not sure it was intentional, but it does communicate contempt. The things that happen to the 2 most sympathetic characters are as extreme as it gets. But why? Just to rub it in our faces?Nothing in this film was earned. But, it’s still not actually a bad film. It swing and missed.
What perplexes me is how many absolutely brilliant elements are in this film. Somehow Phillips managed to use the best ingredients imaginable and he couldn’t create a good dish with them. I do love creating pieces though. The bomb sequence is the best cinema explosion I’ve ever seen! It’s so frustrating. There were so many avenues to tell so many potentially great stories!
If the first one was mad for $55 million why did anyone think to give it a 4X budget...... The lesson should have been a moderate budget for an unexpectedly large box office return......
@@phillyvoodoo This film did not have wide appeal. The first one did. I don’t feel that anyone involved adequately examined why Joker worked for so many people. They assumed that anything Phillips might do would have the same appeal. They were wrong.
Yesss mama mia works! Now mama mia 2 is not great at all story and song connection wise
Yes i do agree thr Gary scene was the best part of the film. A great twist which should have been obvious of Gary feeling betrayed and in fear is not because of what he saw but it was the only guy who was nice to him is capable of what he did is why, the fact that if the nicest guy to him is capable of that in the world, the demons of those who arent nice to him is what he fears.
General audiences were confused and bored, super fans were pissed
Is it just me? Arthur can't sing but Joker can.
we cant have a discussion about musicals and not include trey parker and matt stone…
I think Harley is dead by the ending stairs scene, the scene before she had a gun painted to her own head, she did Hara Kiri 😂
The Mr. Puddles scene was the best of the movie for me. 2nd best went to the 'beats me!' joke. Other than that, I'm still trying to understand how I feel about the movie!
When he started speaking with the Louisiana accent in the courtroom , I almost walked out of the theater
In opposition to most people I liked the movie. I thought it was an interesting continuation on the idea of “nobody cared who I was before I put on the mask” to use a Batman reference. And I felt like we followed it to its furthest logical conclusion
You can tell how much you guys like musical theater.
So here's the deal. We, the audience of the movie, are Gaga. We, as she did at the end, check out and left him for being boring, for not being what we expected and/or what we think he should be. We, as she did, punish him for his daydreams, and because he wanted to be loved, and to be better, and healthy and finally respected for who he was, and not the psychopath we wanted him to be (that's the commentary Phillips is making out of us). He (Phillips) is telling us: you never really loved Arthur, all you wanted was the show, the controversy, the mayhem and the madness for the sake of the madness.And also Arthur think he did wanted that, the kind of attention everybody confuses with love. We check in and check out into Joker as we pleased, we make him believe we understood, but we never did, we lied to him because: he's so much fun!!! AND YES! it could have been a WAYYYYY MOREEEEE entertaining movie making the same points. But I think that was not the point. The movie it self its confusing and doesn't know what it is at moments, or what it wants to be: Its a movie that is trying to please and be it self at the same time and doesn't know how: The same way Arthur is - was to himself and to Gaga (again, we the audience). Thats why Phillips kill him so unceremoniously and in such anti-climatic way: there he is, you never deserve him, never understood what this version meant, this is really what you think the movie and the character deserves, so here's your entertainment and what you being asking for (audiences and pretty possibly WB too): There's your H. Ledger reminder (although I would've cast J. Nicholson's son to make an even stronger point - despite his SMILE too). And its just my opinion.
I wasn't interested in seeing Joker, but it was so successful and stayed in theaters so long that I eventually did. It was a great film but it wasn't a Joker film. I thought of it like Taxi Driver themed Elseworld's story that focused on the Joker character. DC has some great Elsworld's stories such as Kingdom Come, but they better not ever try to make a film of that because they'll just ruin it. But I wasn't expecting this sequel to be worth the ticket price.
Hell yea Starkid shoutout!
Brian Azzarello had a detailed graphic novel where the Joker has the facial scars which I believe was before The Dark Knight
I watched the movie Tuesday night right before watching Terrifier 3, going in knowing most people were down on the film. Though I wasn't expecting it to be bad, I was expecting to be wrong, and... I was right.
Just for a quick review: the musical segments were done as well as they could have been, but the film overall was very good.
For an in-depth analysis... Okay, so, the first film kinda has this air around it that gives it the feeling of being an extremely deep film, but... It's not? From the subtext to the actual text, the movie's just a warning of what can happen, what has happened, and what is happening when society doesn't do its due diligence, and when broken people cave in to their darkest thoughts.
This film, though, was a response to the reaction to that film. A lot of people were viewing Arthur Fleck as a hero, or a role model. They didn't just identify with him and his shitty life, they felt all the chaos he created was justified (and maybe felt they wanted to do the same thing, even if they never actually did). Which was obviously not the message of the first film. So when Todd made this, he took a clear stance against those people. He intentionally pissed them off (which is not only extremely funny, but also just a good thing, generally). He explored the question of who exactly the "Joker" was, and in doing so actually made Arthur Fleck much more sympathetic through introducing the abusive childhood and the straight up sexual assault the guards inflict upon him toward the end of the film.
But while the film still kept the sympathetic angle, it also denounced people like the Joker. It denounced people who viewed him as a role model. Harley Quinn, as well as some of the prisoners and the people who bomb the court house, is a stand-in for all those people, and they're the villains of the movie, and it works exceptionally well, not only in exploring Arthur Fleck as a character, but also in the role reversal of Joker and Harley Quinn.
The film was just very fascinating as a whole, and the Puddles interview, the 'Joker is Me' song, and Arthur's breakdown in the courthouse where he admits to everything and just tells the truth are honestly what make the film for me. The rest of it is also done extremely well, but without those scenes, the message of the movie doesn't come across clearly, and the movie fails narratively.
Overall, I think Joker was a better film, but Joker: Folie á Deux had a lot more to say, and it said it just as well. I will be rewatching both movies frequently, because they're both great. And while I'm not one to promote my opinion as objective, or to denounce the opinions of others as objectively wrong, I do feel in this instance that most people are objectively wrong about this film, in every way.
As for the DC Comics nature of the film, or lack thereof, what were you guys expecting? The first film was the same thing this was, which was using DC Comics characters to tell a compelling story that needs to be heard. But DC Comics was always the backdrop. You could change these movies so that they wouldn't be DC movies, and they would come across the exact same way, which is a GOOD thing, given what Todd Phillips was trying to do. Honestly, I think we should get MORE stories like this, where the adaptation element is merely using a brand as an excuse to tell a story to a wide audience.
Agree with Eric on rewatching I noticed SA and hated the film even more.
Todd Phillips sequels gotta have SA (Hangover 2)
Remember, this is the same guy that made a documentary about GG Allin.
Phillips didn’t want to make a sequel to Joker so he took $200,000000 from Warner Brother’s and flushed it down the toilet deliberately, making a movie that he knew would piss people off, it’s the ultimate troll and very punk, I kinda admire that.
Wether the film is any good or not is a different matter entirely.
This movie definitely had so many good ideas that could have made me want to keep watching but thanks to the music all of that is lost. Everytime they sing i wanted it to end.
IMO the sequel worked perfect for me. Not a perfect film but from what I saw in the first film they made it clear plus the different leaks where the story was goibg to go.
Warner Brothers Discovery gave AEW a new TV deal, adding streaming for their PPVs on Max. I don't know if that is good or bad with the ratings in a freefall. I hope that WBD can turn things around.
The breakroom 😮
I’m among the few that really enjoyed it! Not as great as the first film but as a huge fan of that film and this character I was heartbrokenly happy with the film.
You are not alone. :)
GINA WAS RIGHT!!!!!
I don't know anyone who saw or plans on seeing this movie
Lex Luthor movie as one of the Richest and fittest white man in the world and we watch his decent as an alien named Superman steals all his glory
But superman is a white man too so I don't get the point of bringing up the white man thing
@@rubberbandman3rd He's still an alien, it shows Lex insecurities hating bc he's not a real American human even though they're the same color. To Lex, Superman claims to be American but stands for and helps every nation. For someone insecure that's all it takes is having different values to discredit someone else, even though his true hatred is not being able to do what Superman can
The Man who Laughs was after Heath's Joker.
If they went hard into the Harley and joker story and dropped all the music that completely took you out of it, it would be a good movie. The Harley Quinn origin was wack
Don’t be hating on the matrix or neo Erik. Don’t.
are we sure Joaquin commits to his roles? seems to me he keeps leaving projects lately😂
I thought the visitor was going to be Harvey Dent rocking his 2 face
It's really simple. We wanted to see a Joker movie where he starts to develop his "criminal mastermind" skills and there are periods where he was just causing chaos. We were on board with Lady Gaga was his partner. The problem is what we got for the sequel was Joker getting the persona beaten out of him and then he's killed for it. It's just such a contrast.
Does anyone think that the character from the first movie could have ever been a mastermind?
@@smarti1144 That's literally the movie we thought we were getting.
Agatha made more at the theater
When the New Rockstars guy doesnt sound energised and exhuberant, you know its a terrible movie.
(I love his vids).
Heath Ledger was the first with scars. There was a comic that came after though
It was a great movie about modern society, about the denial of reality, about pseudo-fanaticism, about masks. It's amazing how Todd Phillips hit the nail on the head with the image of the crowd that supports the Joker, but refuses to see him as Arthur. The court scene, when several sympathizers leave after Lee, is a direct image of the negative reactors that have polluted the film and are leaving the show. It's all a clown show. It's time to accept reality as it is. Without whining, crying, without voicing your idiotic ideas "I thought he would become the criminal king of Gotham, eh, eh" or "how did he break? After all, under the pressure of society, people become stronger, heroes or supervillains, eh, eh"...
This is unbelievable. People are legit angry at this movie.
I frickin LOVED it!
The ending. That's what happened. Punters felt cheated. Bless...
the marvels should have been the 3rd captain marvel film, first more ms marvel, either a season 2 or a special and then a monica solo movie/special and then the marvels
I think yall missed about the scene of Joker and Harley is the fact that it was implied that she offered herself to get in the cell. Still dont know if it was a delusion or not but it was HOW HE FINDS OUT SHE LEFT. At first i thought it was another delusional scene like the first film but how she said she got her ways is that she offered herself.
When Joker went back to his cell nakes, dont think he was molested he was hust COMPLETELY beaten and they took off his clothes to apply as much pain as possible.
This is just a bad film because the original one was.
I loved it more then the first I really truly did I could have got to the 10/10 with the problems it had if Todd would have paid Al Pacino to show up in the movie as tony Montana and gave him and the joker a scene together because this movie and the first movie together is Scarface
Yea we missed out on Hot ones with Miss Marvel
Love evans porygon shirt 😸
I loved it 🤷♀️
What if the joker is a shared madness or curse like smile or it follows? Eh, I’m reaching lol
that’s what the title means
I really enjoyed this movie.
I liked it more then the first but I can’t get to that 10/10 this is a 8/10 better then the first the first is 10/10
There is a comic book were they imply there are three different jokers.
This movie didn’t deserve a Breakroom video 😅
the movie is trying to say 'the joke is on you' (movie viewers)
I did not enjoy this movie. It’s empty of anything new. Anything new here dies not work. Gaga did not build that mountain lol
Everything went wrong because nothing went right, lol. *JOKER 2 : FOLIE A DUNCE* sucks harder than a Dyson in a Tornado.
starkid mention!!!!
I thought it was common knowledge that he didn't want to make a sequel. So he made this.
When none comic book movie flop no one cares. But we have to a conversation about comic book movie flop.
Todd Philips saw Zack Snyder's idea for Batman in prison and ran carelessly with it
Well, it wasn't an idea. He was just saying that if Nolans version was ultra realistic, then Bruce would have would have been raped since he's a random white dude in a Asian prison all alone. So it was never a idea or even a thing he would do just a random comment taken out of context.
May be the first time I legit regret seeing a movie (in theatres especially). This took away from the first movie. I won't go as far as comparing it to the last 2 seasons of Game Of Thrones, but it's ruining an IP (at least this version of it)
I hated the first one and I thought Phoenix was way way overrated. So glad this one is a film I can skip.
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Gross 🤮they almost gave Phoenix the scar🤯
PROVES he knew NOTHING about Joker 🃏
Test screening are not a perfect process
We were really hoping for a Joker, and instead we got some other type of movie 🎥 masked with the joker.
Something about Todd Phillips having absolutely full control over this movie 🤔
36:24 ear bleed warning
This movie is dead set depressing. Whomever said "It was a Fuck You to the fans of the first movie" was totally right!
I was so disappointed. I hated every second, i dont think there's one redeeming quality, in my opinion. I dont want to see a pathetic Joker, I want the real Joker.
I feel like the writers of this movie are pissed at me for liking the first movie, and this movie was made to punish me for enjoying the first one.
hello there
godfather 2 the movie I wanted and pictured in my head would have made a billion dollars because everyone would have got what they wanted if they took The Godfather 2 direction
Arthur Fleck is just an avator for Todd Philips to bitch and moan about why no one thinks he’s funny anymore