Perfect timing! Just bought the Einhell yesterday. But here in Denmark evolution tools are hard to get so ended up going with the standard Einhell rails.
I bought one of the cheaper track saws, it was a WALTER but similar in design to the Einhell. I wanted to use it on the much higher quality Makita track rails so I ground off about 2mm from the back of the saw's footplate with my hand router and a fluted bit. It fits perfectly now and is an excellent saw. Using a quality track really does make a huge difference to the accuracy of the cuts.
Thanks Peter, great update and comparison as usual, this is essential viewing for anyone buying at the affordable end of the market. I finally went with Makita as I had their rail already and needed a new saw for a particular project so had to make a snap decision (I also got a decent discount at £260 for saw & case), but there are some good options here particularly with the Evolution rails now available !
I went into B&Q to buy the cheapest track saw I could find because I didn't have one and was on a job that absolutely warranted the use of one. I didn't want to spend lots of money and took a punt on the macallister that was available. After removing the annoying useless anti kick back turn knob and retracting the cams that tighten the saw in the slots because they were sticky and annoying, the saw performed amazingly well. There is a bit of play but I would rather have that than fight against uncontrolled friction. But once I made these modifications this saw truly impressed me!! The rail is lovely and smooth now and I have been able to make very accurate and clean cuts. I am sure the other saws are just as capable too but I can very much recommend the macallister for occasional use. It might not last as long as a festool or dewalt but for £130 I was very surprised and happy with my purchase. I honestly thought it was just going to be a piece of junk that would not do the job very well but I was very wrong. It made me really consider the question of whether I should in the future ever buy a premium brand name plunge saw. I am not saying never but I think I would have to be on a job that justified the cost when for £130 I am up and running with accuracy and clean cuts. Also if it breaks down after reasonable use I can just toss it out and buy another. The Einhell with the long evolution rails does look good though.
Thanks! Yes, I've looked at the MacAllister before a couple of times; it was great value at £70, less so at £130 IMHO, given the availability of the Einhell. The Evo G2 rails do make those saws much more of a viable option. 👍
@10MinuteWorkshop Yes I totally agree, I only bought it because I needed it that day and that was what they had. But it won't last forever so now I know what to buy next. Thanks for the video and all the information you provided, it's appreciated. 😊
Funny timing for these latest videos, I literally just got some new rails for my Mac Allister plunge/track saw! As an FYI for people reading.... the EXCEL tracks work perfectly with the Mac Allister saw, no issues, and they join to the Mac Allister tracks without issue too.
Einhell exhibited for the first time this year at the D&M Toolshow… definitely on my radar now for well made tools at a fair price. Their plunge saw is a definite option 👍🏼😉 Thanks for the detailed review Peter.
Interesting and informative, thank you! Down under, it seems that much gear that looks like Einhell kit is sold under the Ozito brand name at the big retail hardware outlet Bunnings, although the Ozito track saw looks a whole lot like the Excel shown in the video. I understand from other creators that the short-lived (2016-2018) UK Bunnings Warehouse (Homebase) sold Ozito in the UK as well.
I've had my excel saw for a few years and being previous model it works with the makita rails. I put a decent blade on it and been spot on ever since 👍
I probably jumped the gun abit here. After sitting on buying a guide rail since earlier this year and seeing your recent review on the Evolution G2, I went ahead and bought one. I've been using my dad's old Bosch 600W circular saw that I knew I could adapt to the rail without the proper base with the guide arm but for another £40, opted to buy the Evolution 185 saw. Not used it yet as it's for fitting the new kitchen however, I probably should have bought a plunge saw as it's abit more versatile. If nothing else thanks for these reviews that lead me to getting a very good value guide rail in the Evolution that I know I'll be better off with trimming the internal doors we struggled with last year just using a circular saw.
Great video, I ended up buying the Parkside due to my needs. I have the Einhell battery and tools but for what I was using a track saw for the Parkside is a great job. I upgraded the blade to a 48 tooth cut. I do use it quite a lot and it has never missed a beat, I do keep an eye out for additional tracks but currently I can live without them. Like the channel 👍.
Additional tracks are available on the Parkside service page last time I checked (about 2 months ago). It's under the service section. How are the cuts under 45 degrees cutting?
@2greenify not tried anything apart from 45 and 90 cuts. Both 45 and 90 are spot on, although I only use it as a DIYer and it's usually for stuff I'm not overly worried about cosmetically.
@barrymelody4477 thanks, appreciate it. I'm planning to use it as a diy also. Can I ask you how stiff the bottom plate is when it's in 45 degrees position? Is there any wobly/room if you hold the bottom plate and try to move the machine itself sideways? The previous model had this issue. Are you using the battery version or wired one?
@2greenify wired saw, I've never had any issues with wobble at 45. Although there are a couple of adjustment locks to keep it locked to the track. This is my first track saw so never experienced anything else.
@barrymelody4477 thanks you, appreciate you taking the time. Probably going for the battery version because transporting wood is a little difficult for me and gives the option to cut it on the parking space (quit normal form woodworkers I noticed).
I think the raving knife on the Parkside stops it from plunging when you make an inside cut. I’m using einhell on the old evolution tracks and happy with it.
It's well worth mentioning the 3yr warranty with the parkside. I've not had any issues with the tracksaw but other tools I have and customer services have been easy to deal with. The riving knife has come in handy for cutting natural timber but I realise not many people will do that.
@@10MinuteWorkshop I didn't know that, it's impressive that we are seeing these warranties on budget tools. Even brands like DeWalt you have to register the tool to get the extended warranty.
Ive owned the Parkside since late 2015. The first one ever sold in The U.K. it dosent have a riving knife. Ive used it a fair bit on doors, sheet work, shelf making. The only problem i have is the hex cup screw seizing every time on blade change, which ive modded with a M8 flange bolt. In 2020 i bought the excel tracks for it which i had to modify The one i want to get is the DeWalt.
Hi Peter, good review on value track and plunge saws, 2 of my saw are plunge saws mains powered and made by Black and Decker also there are getting on a bit about 15 years old and still work like new. Parkside are getting popular now for the DIYer like me and good value for money, not available at the moment in Lidl as Christmas stock has took over but will be back in the new year. As always i value your opinion and a great video, take care
As I say in the vid, unless you're willing to do some surgery on the Makita-style rails then the best option is the Evolution G2 rails, as the only alternative longer rails that fit the Parkside are Festool OEM. 👍
I bought a Wen as lower price track saws aren't widely available here in the US. I went with the Powertec rails as they're Mak compatible and the typical 1440mm in length. The nice thing about the Wen is that it takes a 184 mm blade. I've had a Fezza and a Mak but ended up selling both of them due to circumstances. The prices of those two and the Bosch are outrageous. The Fezza is 700 notes for the saw and a single rail. Mak seemed to have stopped making the corded versions so the cordless is 519 notes with a single rail. Bosch is more expensive that Fezza as the saw along is 639. I guess as people over here aren't into tool systems, that why the prices are eye watering.
One of the things I love about the McAlester saw is the easy flip switch to cut a shallow scribe line before cutting full depth. Useful for cleaner cuts with cross cutting. Which of these newer budget saws has this facility?
One thing that should be considered (came to this when seen the Einhell rails) - most this type saws have a different cut line when you do bevel cuts. Btw, Einhell rails are produced by KWB, german tool brand.
There's at least one national Einhell channel. Total Tools is the official importer for Evolution. Doesn't import its track. I wonder whether the founder of Total Tools gave much thought to its name.
Looks like Einhell didn't deviate too far from the Festool aesthetic when it came to the blade cover. They even have the little waste side splinter guard. Does it drop down like the Festool ones do?
I feel that I was lucky in that I got a McAllister saw from Screwfix that had been discounted down to about £70 from around £120. It became my new favourite tool and as soon as the new Evolution rails became available (and about 5 minutes after I saw your video) I got a pair in the bag for a shade under £80. I'm more than happy with my £150 total outlay but have mainly only used it on MDF with excellent results. I have a project in the pipeline (well to be honest, my wife and daughter have a project in the pipeline for me) that will be involve a fair bit of plywood so I might have to experiment and look at getting a better quality blade.
The Titan MacAllister are solid saws - and especially around that price! COupled with the Evo rails it's a winner, tough a better 48t blade will make a difference, especially in plywood with thin face veneers. 👍
Brilliant video, I'd be interested in knowing which of these saws fit the older evolution tracks, as I already own an evolution circular track saw but would like to upgrade to a plunge saw
I’ve been tempted to get a track saw and came really close to getting one. Never did get one, now the more info I get the less likely I’m going to get one. I’m sure if I bought a Festool or Makita brand it would work great and not let me down but I’m getting on fine with my woodworking without one. All the different makers and lack of track compatibility has kept me away from buying something I’m not sure I really need. It would be like my power miter saw I never use.
Tracks are 100% compatible as long as you stick to the standards. It’s down the murky shorelines of the entry-level brands that you need to take more care. 👍
Thanks Peter. I’m thinking of going for the Einhell with the Evolution tracks. Should I consider changing the stock blade and if so can you recommend a reasonably priced one? Will be used for primarily cutting MDF but also possibly plywood infrequently
I have the Erbauer , as others have said it can sometimes struggle with heavy cuts. I have managed to get a second set of rails secondhand. I also have got two sets of the (old) Evolution rails for next to nothing. I reckon I can cut about about 8 metres - a really useless fact. I have lots of add ons I have made with my 3d printer.
Saw you first piece on the budget saw's and when in LidAldi impulse purchased a Parkside, its been great, still going really well after heavy DIY use, (p.s. I know, went into Lidl for some cheap plonk and came out with two pairs of purple wellies and an arc welder).
It was a test piece for the guy who’s developed the 32mm drilling guide; I talk about it in my 2024 Gift List video - ruclips.net/video/yQwIFfn95SM/видео.html
Peter, Peter, Peter, the video I was waiting for, albeit 12 months too late. I have the Rutland but struggled to understand which rails were compatible. Evo G2, if only I knew, lol.
To be fair I hilighted the parkside style saw issue with the Makita tracks in the original 'which rails work' video 5 years ago, but I agree that manufacturers could do more to make the pocesss easier to understand! 👍
Thanks Peter. Great information as usual. Is there any advantage of paying for Festool track over the new Evolution if m using my 2 year old PARKSIDE ? Ken from Southport UK
Great video as always, I think that the evolution G2 track and the Parkside saw is best for me but why aren’t the Parkside saws available all year? Do they change much or is a second hand saw an option?
Parkside is great value new, but used prices don’t really make a lot of sense as they’re often unrealistically high - on account of the saw only being available twice a year… There’s not much change - last big one was 2021 when they added a riving knife. As for availability, it’s a UK thing; they’re available in the EU all year round, and they have the Parkside cordless plunge saw. 🤷♂️👍
Thanks as always. It’s there any good reason ( for specific tasks perhaps) to go for a more expensive saw. Possibly the triton you mentioned ( I picked that one as I interpreted your comment to be the same saw has gone up in price) if braking down sheets is the objective and top shelf life span or feel in the had is not a huge worry, why go more expensive? Or just don’t !
Thanks! Honestly, kind of the point of this video was to emphasise that all these saws perform the same function, with very little to choose between them. The Triton for example, is pretty ,much identical to the old Titan, but with soft start and the availability of spare parts. Is that worth double the money? Well, not to me, but it may be to someone. 🤷♂️ There'll be a future video about mid-ange saws ie that there really aren't any, because beyond the basics that I mention here you're suddenly into Makita territory. Is Makita the new mid-range? Sometimes the titles just write themselves... 👍
@ nice reply. That’s what I was thinking was the case. A graphic comes to mind. One where saws are arranged by price with significant features noted beside them. The graphic I’m imagining, really shows that the price difference after the entry level saws is probably shocking for the DIY person. And with no significant benefit. For a pro using a tool many times each day the reliability and ease (due to features) might well turn into faster completion of jobs. For everyone else it’s not as important.
@@frederickwood9116 one point about the Triton: you have to turn a knob to attach it to the rail. Triton saw does not go backwards on the rail. You can fix this, but i would not recommend as it is a safety feature. Triton been my first saw and i sold it because of that points. (Nowadays i wish i kept the saw, just to have one 😂)
@ yeah Peter, it was a right bargain. Collected it from a cash converters near ascot. 110v and came in a systainer (bit battered like but a systainer all the same) I officially joined the cream and green club. 😆
Hi Peter, are the anti slip strips on bottom of the rails standard, my mk1 evolution rail tends to slip so I always need to use the clamps, I noticed a good deal on festool strip & was hoping it would fit my rail, thank you Peter
I've never changed them but can't imagine they'd be different; the only thing that may have an affect is where they sit on the rail ie is the extrusion shaped to take them. 👍
well timed video for me. I was going to get the Makita SP6000J. Is it worth it or would one of these do almost as good a job for a lot less? (I've already picked up the Evolution G2 rails on a Black Friday deal).
I'm thinking of getting the Evolution G2 rails to run a router along to make some 2300mm kitchen cabinet end panels with a faux tonge and groove. Would this work? Is there a better way to do it? A little off topic sorry 😬 Plunge saw is on the xmas list though. Great video as always 🍻
Yes, that would work re the panelling; you could adapt the router guide rail adapter I did not so long back (any router, any rail) with an extended base to locate in the groove to keep everything consistent. 👍
The rib on DeWalt rails is to wide (17mm+) so the Einhell and all other saws do not fit on DeWalt rails. You could press the Einhell saw on DeWalt rail with force, but it is stuck then and won't move anymore. 😉 DeWalt saw fits on the Einhell rail, but would cut far away from splinter guard.
Hi Peter, I've had the Rutlands saw, with 4 rails, for about 2 years I think. It's done a great job cutting straight edges on wany edge cladding. However the short lead is annoying. Now making some ply cabinets and had to spend about an hour filing square ends on two rails to get them to join straight. Jointing insert is not great. Will this saw fit the evolution G2? Thanks for the info. Ben
I have the Rutlands saw and I had been using the stock rails plus 2 extra 700mm rails for quite a while. Only really noticed the misaligned rails when making wardrobe doors. Bought 2.8m of Evolution G2 rail and realised how much I had been torturing myself before with the stock rails. Highly recommend the upgrade and it's definitely compatible.
Another great video. I recently bought the new evolution guide rails and have been disappointed with what I was hoping to be the best joining mechanism. How have you found the fit, finish and performance of the 1400mm guide rails while joined together? Do you have a video coming? Would be interested to see your opinion. Keep up the great content.
@ when both are joined the joining bars just don’t seem to keep them locked together securely. Even when being super careful when moving between cuts they work loose. They also don’t align the two guide rails perfectly and the saw catches at the joint. May well be user error so wondering if a review video may be on the horizon 😉
Peter another great review. Two questions sorry for bothering you in you opinnion which would be better quality (smoothness in operation between the einhell and rutlands corded saws can get rutlands on sale today for £120 today with two tracks Second question can you recomend a blade rather than the stock blades i would rather start with a new blade thather than the stock blade as this may put out the chip guard Again sorry for taking up your time with the long winded questions i intend on buying the evo tracks as well. Regards
Thanks Gary, and no trouble. The Einhell is the better saw; better stock blade. The Rutlands is basically a more expensive Parkside / excel / lumberjack with no real benefit, and like most saws at this level the rails are 2 x700mm, with only third-party upgrade options. 🤷♂️👍
@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter, much appreciated. I've got some Evolution rails, so I just need a replacement plunge saw. It looks like the Einhell is the sensible choice.
@10MinuteWorkshop i don't know if it's only for the German market. Seen videos here on RUclips, where there was no riving knife at all (2023 version? maybe)
Hi Peter, the old model evolution tracks are on a Black Friday offer today. Is there any reason not to go for them or is it worth spending a little more for the newer model tracks? I’ve got the Einhell plunge saw.
I'd always go for the newer model if you have the choice - the upwards-facing t-slot on the left side means it's one of the most compatible rails around for accessories. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter. I've seen the MakHack jig but found it a bit too expensive for a 3D printed block with two holes. So, as I own a good 3D printer, I've been looking for a 3D drilling jig model but couldn't find one yet. I think I'll spend some time in learning Fusion 360 and model the jig myself and probably other which I intend to share ;-). Anyway, I do appreciate your videos very much. Greetings from Brussels!
And yet still way better than a circular saw; there's a reason people pay more for better quality tools - it's not all about buying into a brands marketing. As I say in the video, it shouldn't come as any surprise that the more expensive tools are nicer to use and yes, have better dust extraction. 👍
I bought a erbaur plunge saw a few years back. But the blade always stalls on a cut deeper than 5mm. Resulting in a poor cut. Not sure if it's me (any tips great fully received) but I hardly use it because of this and wish I invested in a table saw.
Something definitely wrong there. I took a look at the rebranded similar sized triton a few years back and the Erbauer had the edge. What are you cutting and are you using the stock blade?
Also have the same Erbauer saw, mine doesn't sound quite as bad but the motor definitely struggles in deeper cuts, tried a fresh blade and had no real effect.
Still using the stock blade. It was a case of was it worth it. I am not cutting anything special. 22mm ply. Biggest was the bottom of 35 mm door. Which I did running multiple cuts
I have used my two year old erbaur for cutting up 2 by 4 , so about 45mm on side, with no problem if you take it easy. I have even cut part way through a fence post, less hand sawing and you have a nice 90 degree start.
Parkside make a performance tracksaw. that means it's brushless and better quality. runs with Bluetooth batteries, etc. I've seen it advertised online, but Always out to stock. I think this would be a worthwhile upgrade if we could get hold of them. I have a performance drill. and circular saw which are many years old now. and can't get the batteries for them as they use a different battery from the team version of batteries. Luckily, both tools came with a battery each. And each had a charger also. but only last week, one of the Chargers went bang. So if the second one gives up, I'm done for. These are very well made tools. I did make a track guide out of pieces of plastic. to fit my. exist in tracks for my. plunge saws. It's okay. Get a straight line cut without. need for main's power.
youre not gonna like me for saying this, because it's going to drum up visions in your noggin of tool debauchery, but a very simple pass on your table saw with a properly adjusted height blade, and fence width will cut the most perfect tiny dado in the edge of the magnesium foot of the DeWalt Track Saw which will enable it to be used with any of the Makita/Festool/Wen Tracks. Dont hate me, but it works fantastically with zero issue and immediately makes ALL the cool track accessories available to "Ole Yellar". just simply hold the track saw foot firmly against the fence (as if you were field cutting the bottom of a door) and go slow. Thank me later.
Thanks. The DeWalt tracksaw is compatible with Festool rails - it was a major selling point for them when it launched ie ‘no need to replace all your existing Festool tracks’ - but didn’t know it would foul on the lip on the Makita tracks. Seriously though, why would you consider mucking up your saw baseplate, when trimming the lip off a rail has way lower risk? 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop see! I told ya!! Haha! I know, I know, my knee jerk reaction to the whole idea was "absolutely NO WAY am I slicing up my $600 trim saw!" but then after I saw how little of a saw kerf was required to allow it to pop-in, and given the fact that it would not only fix issues on the one track that I had, but also resolve any issues with any of my buddies Makita or Wen tracks of all/any lengths, and the thought that Makita may actually have a pretty great idea in-tow to help eliminate the possibility of the saw tipping over from the 45° bevel position, and also given how easily and cleanly and satisfyingly magnesium (and aluminum) is to cut and mill, I bit the bullet and fired up the table saw. Zero regrets. And unless I pointed it out, I suspect no one would even realize it was modified. The ONLY thing that MIGHT be a compromise would be if I were to drop the saw from 4' high, that corner of the shoe MIGHT be a little more apt to show marring than the other,,, fortunately tho, I've got an anti-tip feature to keep that from happening!!😁 Be sure and post some pics and a vid once you get yours done! 😂 Seriously, thank you Peter for ALL your contributions, you're truly making us all better! 😊 (even the barbaric machinery butchers)
You used to recommend the MacAllister (which is the reason I picked mine up). Is it fair to say that none of these alternatives are an upgrade in any meaningful way?
I’ve never recommended the MacAllister, but it was a good value proposition at around £70 - not so much at £~140-ish. These saws definitely aren’t an upgrade though, just lower priced alternatives, perhaps better made in the Einhell case. 👍
sheppach pl55 has riving knife and performs ok... joining bars on the track are garbage, sticks every time you make a cut... will have to stump up the £70 for a long single rail if you want to cut sheet goods
As per the description, I've deliberately not included the Sheppach saws here because of the crazy design choices which make them unusable on any other rails. 🤷♂️
If you put a proper blade on most of the saws they should do perform pretty well until you are ready to upgrade to a Makita, Festool, Milwaukee etc once your skills improve....
Have you ever asked the question as to why so many Track or Circular Saws are Left Handed ? Watching you in this video highlights the problem. It makes no sense to me and I was wondering if you had a logical reason for this.
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Comprehensive and impartial advice. Excellent as ever. Thank you.
Thanks! 👍
Perfect timing! Just bought the Einhell yesterday. But here in Denmark evolution tools are hard to get so ended up going with the standard Einhell rails.
I bought one of the cheaper track saws, it was a WALTER but similar in design to the Einhell. I wanted to use it on the much higher quality Makita track rails so I ground off about 2mm from the back of the saw's footplate with my hand router and a fluted bit. It fits perfectly now and is an excellent saw. Using a quality track really does make a huge difference to the accuracy of the cuts.
Thanks Peter, great update and comparison as usual, this is essential viewing for anyone buying at the affordable end of the market. I finally went with Makita as I had their rail already and needed a new saw for a particular project so had to make a snap decision (I also got a decent discount at £260 for saw & case), but there are some good options here particularly with the Evolution rails now available !
Cheers Andy! That's a good price on the Makita! 👍
I went into B&Q to buy the cheapest track saw I could find because I didn't have one and was on a job that absolutely warranted the use of one. I didn't want to spend lots of money and took a punt on the macallister that was available. After removing the annoying useless anti kick back turn knob and retracting the cams that tighten the saw in the slots because they were sticky and annoying, the saw performed amazingly well. There is a bit of play but I would rather have that than fight against uncontrolled friction.
But once I made these modifications this saw truly impressed me!! The rail is lovely and smooth now and I have been able to make very accurate and clean cuts.
I am sure the other saws are just as capable too but I can very much recommend the macallister for occasional use. It might not last as long as a festool or dewalt but for £130 I was very surprised and happy with my purchase. I honestly thought it was just going to be a piece of junk that would not do the job very well but I was very wrong. It made me really consider the question of whether I should in the future ever buy a premium brand name plunge saw. I am not saying never but I think I would have to be on a job that justified the cost when for £130 I am up and running with accuracy and clean cuts. Also if it breaks down after reasonable use I can just toss it out and buy another.
The Einhell with the long evolution rails does look good though.
Thanks! Yes, I've looked at the MacAllister before a couple of times; it was great value at £70, less so at £130 IMHO, given the availability of the Einhell. The Evo G2 rails do make those saws much more of a viable option. 👍
@10MinuteWorkshop Yes I totally agree, I only bought it because I needed it that day and that was what they had. But it won't last forever so now I know what to buy next. Thanks for the video and all the information you provided, it's appreciated. 😊
I have a Wen and it does fine for straight cuts, but is pretty bad when tilting. The scale on the saw is way off from what is supposed to be 45*
Funny timing for these latest videos, I literally just got some new rails for my Mac Allister plunge/track saw!
As an FYI for people reading.... the EXCEL tracks work perfectly with the Mac Allister saw, no issues, and they join to the Mac Allister tracks without issue too.
Einhell exhibited for the first time this year at the D&M Toolshow… definitely on my radar now for well made tools at a fair price. Their plunge saw is a definite option 👍🏼😉 Thanks for the detailed review Peter.
Didn’t know that about the D&M show, thanks!
Interesting and informative, thank you! Down under, it seems that much gear that looks like Einhell kit is sold under the Ozito brand name at the big retail hardware outlet Bunnings, although the Ozito track saw looks a whole lot like the Excel shown in the video. I understand from other creators that the short-lived (2016-2018) UK Bunnings Warehouse (Homebase) sold Ozito in the UK as well.
I've had my excel saw for a few years and being previous model it works with the makita rails. I put a decent blade on it and been spot on ever since 👍
Always good to hear someone talk who really knows their stuff 👍🏻. I bought the G2 rail after the first vid and it’s excellent 👌
Good to hear, thanks! 👍
thank you so much Peter
I love my Parkside. It took me months of popping into Lidl to get it, though!
I probably jumped the gun abit here. After sitting on buying a guide rail since earlier this year and seeing your recent review on the Evolution G2, I went ahead and bought one. I've been using my dad's old Bosch 600W circular saw that I knew I could adapt to the rail without the proper base with the guide arm but for another £40, opted to buy the Evolution 185 saw. Not used it yet as it's for fitting the new kitchen however, I probably should have bought a plunge saw as it's abit more versatile.
If nothing else thanks for these reviews that lead me to getting a very good value guide rail in the Evolution that I know I'll be better off with trimming the internal doors we struggled with last year just using a circular saw.
Great video, I ended up buying the Parkside due to my needs. I have the Einhell battery and tools but for what I was using a track saw for the Parkside is a great job. I upgraded the blade to a 48 tooth cut. I do use it quite a lot and it has never missed a beat, I do keep an eye out for additional tracks but currently I can live without them. Like the channel 👍.
Additional tracks are available on the Parkside service page last time I checked (about 2 months ago). It's under the service section.
How are the cuts under 45 degrees cutting?
@2greenify not tried anything apart from 45 and 90 cuts. Both 45 and 90 are spot on, although I only use it as a DIYer and it's usually for stuff I'm not overly worried about cosmetically.
@barrymelody4477 thanks, appreciate it. I'm planning to use it as a diy also. Can I ask you how stiff the bottom plate is when it's in 45 degrees position? Is there any wobly/room if you hold the bottom plate and try to move the machine itself sideways? The previous model had this issue.
Are you using the battery version or wired one?
@2greenify wired saw, I've never had any issues with wobble at 45. Although there are a couple of adjustment locks to keep it locked to the track. This is my first track saw so never experienced anything else.
@barrymelody4477 thanks you, appreciate you taking the time. Probably going for the battery version because transporting wood is a little difficult for me and gives the option to cut it on the parking space (quit normal form woodworkers I noticed).
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I think the raving knife on the Parkside stops it from plunging when you make an inside cut.
I’m using einhell on the old evolution tracks and happy with it.
It's well worth mentioning the 3yr warranty with the parkside. I've not had any issues with the tracksaw but other tools I have and customer services have been easy to deal with. The riving knife has come in handy for cutting natural timber but I realise not many people will do that.
3 year warranty on the EInhell and Rutlands too. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I didn't know that, it's impressive that we are seeing these warranties on budget tools. Even brands like DeWalt you have to register the tool to get the extended warranty.
Ive owned the Parkside since late 2015. The first one ever sold in The U.K. it dosent have a riving knife. Ive used it a fair bit on doors, sheet work, shelf making. The only problem i have is the hex cup screw seizing every time on blade change, which ive modded with a M8 flange bolt.
In 2020 i bought the excel tracks for it which i had to modify
The one i want to get is the DeWalt.
DIY guide rail well yeah!!!!
Hi Peter, good review on value track and plunge saws, 2 of my saw are plunge saws mains powered and made by Black and Decker also there are getting on a bit about 15 years old and still work like new. Parkside are getting popular now for the DIYer like me and good value for money, not available at the moment in Lidl as Christmas stock has took over but will be back in the new year. As always i value your opinion and a great video, take care
Thanks Shaun! 👍
Hi Peter I’ve got a old Parkside without a riving knife which of the long tracks fit the Parkside thanks
As I say in the vid, unless you're willing to do some surgery on the Makita-style rails then the best option is the Evolution G2 rails, as the only alternative longer rails that fit the Parkside are Festool OEM. 👍
I bought a Wen as lower price track saws aren't widely available here in the US. I went with the Powertec rails as they're Mak compatible and the typical 1440mm in length.
The nice thing about the Wen is that it takes a 184 mm blade.
I've had a Fezza and a Mak but ended up selling both of them due to circumstances. The prices of those two and the Bosch are outrageous. The Fezza is 700 notes for the saw and a single rail. Mak seemed to have stopped making the corded versions so the cordless is 519 notes with a single rail. Bosch is more expensive that Fezza as the saw along is 639.
I guess as people over here aren't into tool systems, that why the prices are eye watering.
Excellent, thank you
I have had the draper plunge saw for couple of years now. Its been great
One of the things I love about the McAlester saw is the easy flip switch to cut a shallow scribe line before cutting full depth. Useful for cleaner cuts with cross cutting. Which of these newer budget saws has this facility?
None of the Einhell / Parkside pattern saws offer a scoring cut setting, though can just set the saw to a 3mm cut if it’s something you need. 👍
One thing that should be considered (came to this when seen the Einhell rails) - most this type saws have a different cut line when you do bevel cuts.
Btw, Einhell rails are produced by KWB, german tool brand.
Thanks a bunch for all the info, Peter! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks, you too! 👍
DIY track sounds fun.
Einhell is Ozito here. Ozito is on RUclips, I've not checked Einhell.
There's at least one national Einhell channel.
Total Tools is the official importer for Evolution. Doesn't import its track.
I wonder whether the founder of Total Tools gave much thought to its name.
Looks like Einhell didn't deviate too far from the Festool aesthetic when it came to the blade cover. They even have the little waste side splinter guard. Does it drop down like the Festool ones do?
I’ve got the park side love it going to get the evolution track . Thanks for the video
No problem 👍
I feel that I was lucky in that I got a McAllister saw from Screwfix that had been discounted down to about £70 from around £120. It became my new favourite tool and as soon as the new Evolution rails became available (and about 5 minutes after I saw your video) I got a pair in the bag for a shade under £80.
I'm more than happy with my £150 total outlay but have mainly only used it on MDF with excellent results. I have a project in the pipeline (well to be honest, my wife and daughter have a project in the pipeline for me) that will be involve a fair bit of plywood so I might have to experiment and look at getting a better quality blade.
The Titan MacAllister are solid saws - and especially around that price! COupled with the Evo rails it's a winner, tough a better 48t blade will make a difference, especially in plywood with thin face veneers. 👍
Brilliant video, I'd be interested in knowing which of these saws fit the older evolution tracks, as I already own an evolution circular track saw but would like to upgrade to a plunge saw
They all will; the older (orange) Evo tracks just lack the upward - facing t-slot on the left side. 👍
That's brilliant news, time to update the Xmas list with one of these then haha! Thanks 👍
I’ve been tempted to get a track saw and came really close to getting one. Never did get one, now the more info I get the less likely I’m going to get one. I’m sure if I bought a Festool or Makita brand it would work great and not let me down but I’m getting on fine with my woodworking without one. All the different makers and lack of track compatibility has kept me away from buying something I’m not sure I really need. It would be like my power miter saw I never use.
Tracks are 100% compatible as long as you stick to the standards. It’s down the murky shorelines of the entry-level brands that you need to take more care. 👍
Great comparison! With the Einhell saw being this decent, what do you get by going up in price to a Makita / Bosch / Festool?
Thanks! You get refinement, better dust extraction, generally a smoother, quieter, more pleasant experience. 👍
Thanks Peter. I’m thinking of going for the Einhell with the Evolution tracks. Should I consider changing the stock blade and if so can you recommend a reasonably priced one? Will be used for primarily cutting MDF but also possibly plywood infrequently
Hi. No the stock 48t blade on the Einhell is good, no need to change it ‘just because’. 👍
Highly Informative as usual Peter 🙌
Cheers Rob
Thanks Rob! 👍
Great review. Thank you Peter
Thank you! 👍
Great video Peter, I love your product comparisons
Cheers Dean! 👍 So have SawStop been in touch yet..? 😂
@ 😂😂😂 surprisingly not 😂😂
I have the Erbauer , as others have said it can sometimes struggle with heavy cuts.
I have managed to get a second set of rails secondhand.
I also have got two sets of the (old) Evolution rails for next to nothing.
I reckon I can cut about about 8 metres - a really useless fact.
I have lots of add ons I have made with my 3d printer.
Saw you first piece on the budget saw's and when in LidAldi impulse purchased a Parkside, its been great, still going really well after heavy DIY use, (p.s. I know, went into Lidl for some cheap plonk and came out with two pairs of purple wellies and an arc welder).
Think yourself lucky - I ended up wth a 4-man tent and an inflatable dinghy! 😂 👍
is that Makita Track with the shelf pin holes something of your doing? or is that a purchasable product from Makita?
It was a test piece for the guy who’s developed the 32mm drilling guide; I talk about it in my 2024 Gift List video - ruclips.net/video/yQwIFfn95SM/видео.html
@@10MinuteWorkshop i watched that vid again but i dont see any reference to that track rail..?
Hi Peter, what about blades, stick with stock or change??
As ever, the stock 48t seem pretty good, but I’d upgrade from the 24t if I was doing more finished cabinet work. 👍
I upgraded to Freud blade to get best cuts on melamine MFC, will use stock Makita blade for other materials.
@@PeterLukac-r9n Freud blades are made by Bosch in an italian factory 😉 same factory bosch blades come from.
Peter, Peter, Peter, the video I was waiting for, albeit 12 months too late. I have the Rutland but struggled to understand which rails were compatible. Evo G2, if only I knew, lol.
To be fair I hilighted the parkside style saw issue with the Makita tracks in the original 'which rails work' video 5 years ago, but I agree that manufacturers could do more to make the pocesss easier to understand! 👍
Still have my Titan, probably about time I changed the blade🤣 - I'd like a longer track for it though.
Solid saw! 👍
Thanks Peter. Great information as usual.
Is there any advantage of paying for Festool track over the new Evolution if m using my 2 year old PARKSIDE ?
Ken from Southport UK
Honestly, no, the Evo G2 rails will get you the fu; package for the price of a single Festool rail. 👍
And the Evo G1 rails are also fine. Been using those and parkside for years now
Great video as always, I think that the evolution G2 track and the Parkside saw is best for me but why aren’t the Parkside saws available all year? Do they change much or is a second hand saw an option?
Parkside is great value new, but used prices don’t really make a lot of sense as they’re often unrealistically high - on account of the saw only being available twice a year… There’s not much change - last big one was 2021 when they added a riving knife. As for availability, it’s a UK thing; they’re available in the EU all year round, and they have the Parkside cordless plunge saw. 🤷♂️👍
Thanks as always.
It’s there any good reason ( for specific tasks perhaps) to go for a more expensive saw. Possibly the triton you mentioned ( I picked that one as I interpreted your comment to be the same saw has gone up in price) if braking down sheets is the objective and top shelf life span or feel in the had is not a huge worry, why go more expensive? Or just don’t !
Thanks! Honestly, kind of the point of this video was to emphasise that all these saws perform the same function, with very little to choose between them. The Triton for example, is pretty ,much identical to the old Titan, but with soft start and the availability of spare parts. Is that worth double the money? Well, not to me, but it may be to someone. 🤷♂️ There'll be a future video about mid-ange saws ie that there really aren't any, because beyond the basics that I mention here you're suddenly into Makita territory. Is Makita the new mid-range? Sometimes the titles just write themselves... 👍
@ nice reply. That’s what I was thinking was the case.
A graphic comes to mind. One where saws are arranged by price with significant features noted beside them. The graphic I’m imagining, really shows that the price difference after the entry level saws is probably shocking for the DIY person. And with no significant benefit. For a pro using a tool many times each day the reliability and ease (due to features) might well turn into faster completion of jobs. For everyone else it’s not as important.
@ and now I’m also curious if anyone will put a product in that space somehow!
@@frederickwood9116 one point about the Triton: you have to turn a knob to attach it to the rail.
Triton saw does not go backwards on the rail. You can fix this, but i would not recommend as it is a safety feature.
Triton been my first saw and i sold it because of that points.
(Nowadays i wish i kept the saw, just to have one 😂)
I bought a 2 nd hand TS55 for about £50 and the old set of evolution (orange ones) 1.4 mtr rails for about £65 and the set up works perfectly.
I’ll bet it does! Never seen a TS55 priced that low!
@ yeah Peter, it was a right bargain. Collected it from a cash converters near ascot. 110v and came in a systainer (bit battered like but a systainer all the same) I officially joined the cream and green club. 😆
@@andrewwatkinson1548 Is there a risk of of getting the saw which could have been bent, and then not making perfect cuts ?
Hi Peter, are the anti slip strips on bottom of the rails standard, my mk1 evolution rail tends to slip so I always need to use the clamps, I noticed a good deal on festool strip & was hoping it would fit my rail, thank you Peter
I've never changed them but can't imagine they'd be different; the only thing that may have an affect is where they sit on the rail ie is the extrusion shaped to take them. 👍
@ appreciated, thanks
well timed video for me. I was going to get the Makita SP6000J. Is it worth it or would one of these do almost as good a job for a lot less?
(I've already picked up the Evolution G2 rails on a Black Friday deal).
Makita is a better saw, though the Einhell is pretty good.👍
I'm thinking of getting the Evolution G2 rails to run a router along to make some 2300mm kitchen cabinet end panels with a faux tonge and groove. Would this work? Is there a better way to do it?
A little off topic sorry 😬
Plunge saw is on the xmas list though.
Great video as always 🍻
Yes, that would work re the panelling; you could adapt the router guide rail adapter I did not so long back (any router, any rail) with an extended base to locate in the groove to keep everything consistent. 👍
What's the best saw for drust extraction between makita ( looking at the xgt , as I'm on the platform already) and festool / mafel?
I'd say better on the Festool / Mafell, but not as much in it as there would be between the Makita and one of these saws. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you
First.... Couldn't resist it when I "saw" this come in. I'll get my coat.
Couldn't resist taking the plunge?
It's always so tempting to make a cutting pun when I see saw too
@@jwatkins123 Right on-'track' for worst pun of the day
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Hello Peter, do you know if the Einhell twin strip guide rail is compatible with the Dewalt system?
No, both are completely proprietary, afaik. 👍
The rib on DeWalt rails is to wide (17mm+) so the Einhell and all other saws do not fit on DeWalt rails.
You could press the Einhell saw on DeWalt rail with force, but it is stuck then and won't move anymore. 😉
DeWalt saw fits on the Einhell rail, but would cut far away from splinter guard.
Great job as always. Now about that Makita holly rail? Makhack I presume?
Yes, that was the MakHack test rail. 👌 👍
Great video again Peter. I have the older version of the Evolution tracks. Is the Einhell compatible with them?
Thanks! The EInhell saw is compatible with the older (orange) evolution rails, yes. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you Peter. I’m just an enthusiastic DIY’er so didn’t fancy buying new rails just yet.
Hi Peter,
I've had the Rutlands saw, with 4 rails, for about 2 years I think. It's done a great job cutting straight edges on wany edge cladding. However the short lead is annoying.
Now making some ply cabinets and had to spend about an hour filing square ends on two rails to get them to join straight. Jointing insert is not great.
Will this saw fit the evolution G2?
Thanks for the info.
Ben
Yes, pretty much all saws wil fit the Evolution / Festool rails, the outliers being Scheppach & Aldi saws. 👍
Aldi too makes powertools? Haha
I have the Rutlands saw and I had been using the stock rails plus 2 extra 700mm rails for quite a while. Only really noticed the misaligned rails when making wardrobe doors. Bought 2.8m of Evolution G2 rail and realised how much I had been torturing myself before with the stock rails. Highly recommend the upgrade and it's definitely compatible.
Black parkside performance bettery version looks decent and theres not much price diference comparing old green corded version
But not available in the UK. 🤷♂️
Did come out in Northern Ireland once so far quite good
I think the Excel track is like that because they used to sell the other type, probably just trying to flog off existing stock.
Nope. Two separate product lines with no joined-up thinking between them. 🤦♂️ 🤷♂️
Another great video.
I recently bought the new evolution guide rails and have been disappointed with what I was hoping to be the best joining mechanism.
How have you found the fit, finish and performance of the 1400mm guide rails while joined together?
Do you have a video coming? Would be interested to see your opinion.
Keep up the great content.
I’ve had no issues with the G2 rails and joining bars at all. What have you had problems with?
@ when both are joined the joining bars just don’t seem to keep them locked together securely. Even when being super careful when moving between cuts they work loose. They also don’t align the two guide rails perfectly and the saw catches at the joint.
May well be user error so wondering if a review video may be on the horizon 😉
Peter another great review.
Two questions sorry for bothering you in you opinnion which would be better quality (smoothness in operation between the einhell and rutlands corded saws can get rutlands on sale today for £120 today with two tracks
Second question can you recomend a blade rather than the stock blades i would rather start with a new blade thather than the stock blade as this may put out the chip guard
Again sorry for taking up your time with the long winded questions i intend on buying the evo tracks as well.
Regards
Thanks Gary, and no trouble. The Einhell is the better saw; better stock blade. The Rutlands is basically a more expensive Parkside / excel / lumberjack with no real benefit, and like most saws at this level the rails are 2 x700mm, with only third-party upgrade options. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter
Very happy with my makita 36v but im sure this line up will cut the mustard 👍🏼
Hi Peter, is the Einhell compatible with the original Evolution rails?
Yes, it works fine with the ones I have. 👍
@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter, much appreciated. I've got some Evolution rails, so I just need a replacement plunge saw. It looks like the Einhell is the sensible choice.
Great video Peter.
Is the Parkside the latest Model? I got the 2024 version, went downstairs an had to look, my saw has a black riving knife.
Mine's from 2021 Michael, it's the C2 variant. 👍 Never seen one with a black riving knife! Must be a special they keep for the German market! 👌 😄
@10MinuteWorkshop i don't know if it's only for the German market.
Seen videos here on RUclips, where there was no riving knife at all (2023 version? maybe)
Do any of these work with the DeWalt guide rails?
No, only DeWalt saws work on DeWalt rails.👍
One saw would fit on DeWalt rails - track saw from Würth (a german tool store).
Würth tracksaw is manufactured by DeWalt, just other colors 😊
Hi Peter, the old model evolution tracks are on a Black Friday offer today. Is there any reason not to go for them or is it worth spending a little more for the newer model tracks? I’ve got the Einhell plunge saw.
I'd always go for the newer model if you have the choice - the upwards-facing t-slot on the left side means it's one of the most compatible rails around for accessories. 👍
Great, thank you👍
Hi Peter. Did you say in a previous video that your shop would have Black Friday deals? Not seen any!
10% off everything in the store, including plans. No discount codes, just applied at checkout. 👍
Hi Peter,
Where did you get this "LR32" Makita rail? I'm looking for upgrading my Makita rails with LR32 holes.
Thanks in advance for your answer.
I made it using the MakHack jig - see the Gift List ‘24 for details! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter.
I've seen the MakHack jig but found it a bit too expensive for a 3D printed block with two holes. So, as I own a good 3D printer, I've been looking for a 3D drilling jig model but couldn't find one yet. I think I'll spend some time in learning Fusion 360 and model the jig myself and probably other which I intend to share ;-).
Anyway, I do appreciate your videos very much.
Greetings from Brussels!
I am surprised to see so much dust being expelled from all of them
And yet still way better than a circular saw; there's a reason people pay more for better quality tools - it's not all about buying into a brands marketing. As I say in the video, it shouldn't come as any surprise that the more expensive tools are nicer to use and yes, have better dust extraction. 👍
It would be interesting if you could put your hands on parkside performance track saw.
The cordless one? That wouldn't be interesing for anyone in the UK as they're not available here, unfortunately...
@@10MinuteWorkshop I guess it is just a matter of time when they will appear. Performance line is usually of better quality.
@@davorinrusevljan6440 It’s been what, a year or more? Can’t help but think if they wanted to bring it to the UK they’d have done it by now. 🤷♂️👍
I bought a erbaur plunge saw a few years back. But the blade always stalls on a cut deeper than 5mm. Resulting in a poor cut. Not sure if it's me (any tips great fully received) but I hardly use it because of this and wish I invested in a table saw.
Something definitely wrong there. I took a look at the rebranded similar sized triton a few years back and the Erbauer had the edge. What are you cutting and are you using the stock blade?
Also have the same Erbauer saw, mine doesn't sound quite as bad but the motor definitely struggles in deeper cuts, tried a fresh blade and had no real effect.
Still using the stock blade. It was a case of was it worth it. I am not cutting anything special. 22mm ply. Biggest was the bottom of 35 mm door. Which I did running multiple cuts
I have used my two year old erbaur for cutting up 2 by 4 , so about 45mm on side, with no problem if you take it easy. I have even cut part way through a fence post, less hand sawing and you have a nice 90 degree start.
Parkside make a performance tracksaw. that means it's brushless and better quality. runs with Bluetooth batteries, etc. I've seen it advertised online, but Always out to stock. I think this would be a worthwhile upgrade if we could get hold of them. I have a performance drill. and circular saw which are many years old now. and can't get the batteries for them as they use a different battery from the team version of batteries. Luckily, both tools came with a battery each. And each had a charger also. but only last week, one of the Chargers went bang. So if the second one gives up, I'm done for. These are very well made tools. I did make a track guide out of pieces of plastic. to fit my. exist in tracks for my. plunge saws. It's okay. Get a straight line cut without. need for main's power.
I don’t know why Parkside don’t bring their cordless saw to Britain. It’s a mystery. 🤷♂️👍
youre not gonna like me for saying this, because it's going to drum up visions in your noggin of tool debauchery, but a very simple pass on your table saw with a properly adjusted height blade, and fence width will cut the most perfect tiny dado in the edge of the magnesium foot of the DeWalt Track Saw which will enable it to be used with any of the Makita/Festool/Wen Tracks. Dont hate me, but it works fantastically with zero issue and immediately makes ALL the cool track accessories available to "Ole Yellar". just simply hold the track saw foot firmly against the fence (as if you were field cutting the bottom of a door) and go slow. Thank me later.
i'm gonna post this comment in your track vid as well in case anyone else might wanna give that a go.
Thanks. The DeWalt tracksaw is compatible with Festool rails - it was a major selling point for them when it launched ie ‘no need to replace all your existing Festool tracks’ - but didn’t know it would foul on the lip on the Makita tracks. Seriously though, why would you consider mucking up your saw baseplate, when trimming the lip off a rail has way lower risk? 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop see! I told ya!! Haha! I know, I know, my knee jerk reaction to the whole idea was "absolutely NO WAY am I slicing up my $600 trim saw!" but then after I saw how little of a saw kerf was required to allow it to pop-in, and given the fact that it would not only fix issues on the one track that I had, but also resolve any issues with any of my buddies Makita or Wen tracks of all/any lengths, and the thought that Makita may actually have a pretty great idea in-tow to help eliminate the possibility of the saw tipping over from the 45° bevel position, and also given how easily and cleanly and satisfyingly magnesium (and aluminum) is to cut and mill, I bit the bullet and fired up the table saw. Zero regrets. And unless I pointed it out, I suspect no one would even realize it was modified. The ONLY thing that MIGHT be a compromise would be if I were to drop the saw from 4' high, that corner of the shoe MIGHT be a little more apt to show marring than the other,,, fortunately tho, I've got an anti-tip feature to keep that from happening!!😁
Be sure and post some pics and a vid once you get yours done! 😂
Seriously, thank you Peter for ALL your contributions, you're truly making us all better! 😊 (even the barbaric machinery butchers)
Hi Peter, when is your Router series out? cheers
As soon as I get to it! 🤷♂️ 👍
We really need budget domino clones… anyone know when / if the festool patent expires?
It's been expiring 'next year' for about a decade...
You used to recommend the MacAllister (which is the reason I picked mine up). Is it fair to say that none of these alternatives are an upgrade in any meaningful way?
I’ve never recommended the MacAllister, but it was a good value proposition at around £70 - not so much at £~140-ish. These saws definitely aren’t an upgrade though, just lower priced alternatives, perhaps better made in the Einhell case. 👍
I got ehm some entry lvl tracksaws.
Been very impressed when i took the Einhell out of the box. Tbh i didn't expect such a "good" saw!
Alot of excell and lumberjack tools appear to be made in same factory and ha different badges stuck on
sheppach pl55 has riving knife and performs ok... joining bars on the track are garbage, sticks every time you make a cut... will have to stump up the £70 for a long single rail if you want to cut sheet goods
As per the description, I've deliberately not included the Sheppach saws here because of the crazy design choices which make them unusable on any other rails. 🤷♂️
DIY guide rail.??? With splinter guards both sides of the blade.!!???
Not both side, no.
I think you must the most tracksaws of anyone in the UK!!!!!
Possibly! 😂 👍
Definetly the man with most knowledge about tracksaws 👍
amazing how the rail brand doesnt match the same brand saw 🤷🏼♀️
Stay on track !
Dad joke at its finest
I do try! 😂 👍
If you put a proper blade on most of the saws they should do perform pretty well until you are ready to upgrade to a Makita, Festool, Milwaukee etc once your skills improve....
The 48t blades were pretty good, the 24t were what you'd expect from a 24t blade. 👍
@10MinuteWorkshop 24T blade would cut through plywood pretty well on the low budget options. Thank you for another great vid Pete!
Have you ever asked the question as to why so many Track or Circular Saws are Left Handed ?
Watching you in this video highlights the problem.
It makes no sense to me and I was wondering if you had a logical reason for this.