Saws Galore 2024; Best value plunge saws in Britain?

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  • Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2024

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  • @nickdawson9270
    @nickdawson9270 22 часа назад +8

    Comprehensive and impartial advice. Excellent as ever. Thank you.

  • @Haze1434
    @Haze1434 21 час назад +1

    Funny timing for these latest videos, I literally just got some new rails for my Mac Allister plunge/track saw!
    As an FYI for people reading.... the EXCEL tracks work perfectly with the Mac Allister saw, no issues, and they join to the Mac Allister tracks without issue too.

  • @Viken43
    @Viken43 Час назад +1

    DIY guide rail well yeah!!!!

  • @coppullcaveman
    @coppullcaveman 21 час назад +1

    I probably jumped the gun abit here. After sitting on buying a guide rail since earlier this year and seeing your recent review on the Evolution G2, I went ahead and bought one. I've been using my dad's old Bosch 600W circular saw that I knew I could adapt to the rail without the proper base with the guide arm but for another £40, opted to buy the Evolution 185 saw. Not used it yet as it's for fitting the new kitchen however, I probably should have bought a plunge saw as it's abit more versatile.
    If nothing else thanks for these reviews that lead me to getting a very good value guide rail in the Evolution that I know I'll be better off with trimming the internal doors we struggled with last year just using a circular saw.

  • @mocctl2008
    @mocctl2008 17 часов назад +1

    I bought a 3D printed adapter base £30 on Ebay for my DeWalt 570 saw + 2 short + 2 long Evolution guide rails the new type. Tried & tested and all work together perfectly. No use for mitre cuts though.

  • @300Exige
    @300Exige 16 часов назад

    Always good to hear someone talk who really knows their stuff 👍🏻. I bought the G2 rail after the first vid and it’s excellent 👌

  • @andyc972
    @andyc972 20 часов назад

    Thanks Peter, great update and comparison as usual, this is essential viewing for anyone buying at the affordable end of the market. I finally went with Makita as I had their rail already and needed a new saw for a particular project so had to make a snap decision (I also got a decent discount at £260 for saw & case), but there are some good options here particularly with the Evolution rails now available !

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  16 часов назад

      Cheers Andy! That's a good price on the Makita! 👍

  • @michaelrixon2082
    @michaelrixon2082 12 часов назад

    Perfect timing! Just bought the Einhell yesterday. But here in Denmark evolution tools are hard to get so ended up going with the standard Einhell rails.

  • @sevenismy
    @sevenismy 10 часов назад

    I think the raving knife on the Parkside stops it from plunging when you make an inside cut.
    I’m using einhell on the old evolution tracks and happy with it.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 21 час назад

    Thanks a bunch for all the info, Peter! 😊
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @Selkian
    @Selkian 8 часов назад

    One of the things I love about the McAlester saw is the easy flip switch to cut a shallow scribe line before cutting full depth. Useful for cleaner cuts with cross cutting. Which of these newer budget saws has this facility?

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  3 часа назад

      None of the Einhell / Parkside pattern saws offer a scoring cut setting, though can just set the saw to a 3mm cut if it’s something you need. 👍

  • @markdyballuk
    @markdyballuk 3 часа назад

    thank you so much Peter

  • @tonysutton6559
    @tonysutton6559 18 часов назад

    I feel that I was lucky in that I got a McAllister saw from Screwfix that had been discounted down to about £70 from around £120. It became my new favourite tool and as soon as the new Evolution rails became available (and about 5 minutes after I saw your video) I got a pair in the bag for a shade under £80.
    I'm more than happy with my £150 total outlay but have mainly only used it on MDF with excellent results. I have a project in the pipeline (well to be honest, my wife and daughter have a project in the pipeline for me) that will be involve a fair bit of plywood so I might have to experiment and look at getting a better quality blade.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад +1

      The Titan MacAllister are solid saws - and especially around that price! COupled with the Evo rails it's a winner, tough a better 48t blade will make a difference, especially in plywood with thin face veneers. 👍

  • @shaun30-3-mg9zs
    @shaun30-3-mg9zs 10 часов назад

    Hi Peter, good review on value track and plunge saws, 2 of my saw are plunge saws mains powered and made by Black and Decker also there are getting on a bit about 15 years old and still work like new. Parkside are getting popular now for the DIYer like me and good value for money, not available at the moment in Lidl as Christmas stock has took over but will be back in the new year. As always i value your opinion and a great video, take care

  • @JDMM150
    @JDMM150 14 часов назад

    I have had the draper plunge saw for couple of years now. Its been great

  • @WoodworkJourney
    @WoodworkJourney 21 час назад

    Great video Peter, I love your product comparisons

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  16 часов назад +1

      Cheers Dean! 👍 So have SawStop been in touch yet..? 😂

    • @WoodworkJourney
      @WoodworkJourney 15 часов назад

      @ 😂😂😂 surprisingly not 😂😂

  • @coop_coop007
    @coop_coop007 20 часов назад

    Saw you first piece on the budget saw's and when in LidAldi impulse purchased a Parkside, its been great, still going really well after heavy DIY use, (p.s. I know, went into Lidl for some cheap plonk and came out with two pairs of purple wellies and an arc welder).

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  16 часов назад

      Think yourself lucky - I ended up wth a 4-man tent and an inflatable dinghy! 😂 👍

  • @frederickwood9116
    @frederickwood9116 19 часов назад

    Thanks as always.
    It’s there any good reason ( for specific tasks perhaps) to go for a more expensive saw. Possibly the triton you mentioned ( I picked that one as I interpreted your comment to be the same saw has gone up in price) if braking down sheets is the objective and top shelf life span or feel in the had is not a huge worry, why go more expensive? Or just don’t !

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  16 часов назад +1

      Thanks! Honestly, kind of the point of this video was to emphasise that all these saws perform the same function, with very little to choose between them. The Triton for example, is pretty ,much identical to the old Titan, but with soft start and the availability of spare parts. Is that worth double the money? Well, not to me, but it may be to someone. 🤷‍♂️ There'll be a future video about mid-ange saws ie that there really aren't any, because beyond the basics that I mention here you're suddenly into Makita territory. Is Makita the new mid-range? Sometimes the titles just write themselves... 👍

    • @frederickwood9116
      @frederickwood9116 8 часов назад

      @ nice reply. That’s what I was thinking was the case.
      A graphic comes to mind. One where saws are arranged by price with significant features noted beside them. The graphic I’m imagining, really shows that the price difference after the entry level saws is probably shocking for the DIY person. And with no significant benefit. For a pro using a tool many times each day the reliability and ease (due to features) might well turn into faster completion of jobs. For everyone else it’s not as important.

    • @frederickwood9116
      @frederickwood9116 8 часов назад

      @ and now I’m also curious if anyone will put a product in that space somehow!

  • @markfrancis4756
    @markfrancis4756 21 час назад

    Great review. Thank you Peter

  • @pinkplonker8776
    @pinkplonker8776 14 часов назад

    I have the Erbauer , as others have said it can sometimes struggle with heavy cuts.
    I have managed to get a second set of rails secondhand.
    I also have got two sets of the (old) Evolution rails for next to nothing.
    I reckon I can cut about about 8 metres - a really useless fact.
    I have lots of add ons I have made with my 3d printer.

  • @WeekendShedHead
    @WeekendShedHead 20 часов назад

    Highly Informative as usual Peter 🙌
    Cheers Rob

  • @myerscok
    @myerscok 22 часа назад +1

    Thanks Peter. Great information as usual.
    Is there any advantage of paying for Festool track over the new Evolution if m using my 2 year old PARKSIDE ?
    Ken from Southport UK

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  22 часа назад +1

      Honestly, no, the Evo G2 rails will get you the fu; package for the price of a single Festool rail. 👍

    • @trailbuilding
      @trailbuilding 20 часов назад

      And the Evo G1 rails are also fine. Been using those and parkside for years now

  • @gregmunro2121
    @gregmunro2121 22 часа назад +2

    Hi Peter, what about blades, stick with stock or change??

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  21 час назад +1

      As ever, the stock 48t seem pretty good, but I’d upgrade from the 24t if I was doing more finished cabinet work. 👍

    • @PeterLukac-r9n
      @PeterLukac-r9n 11 часов назад +1

      I upgraded to Freud blade to get best cuts on melamine MFC, will use stock Makita blade for other materials.

  • @alisonpowlesland9314
    @alisonpowlesland9314 20 часов назад

    Hi Peter,
    I've had the Rutlands saw, with 4 rails, for about 2 years I think. It's done a great job cutting straight edges on wany edge cladding. However the short lead is annoying.
    Now making some ply cabinets and had to spend about an hour filing square ends on two rails to get them to join straight. Jointing insert is not great.
    Will this saw fit the evolution G2?
    Thanks for the info.
    Ben

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  16 часов назад

      Yes, pretty much all saws wil fit the Evolution / Festool rails, the outliers being Scheppach & Aldi saws. 👍

  • @markhannan4712
    @markhannan4712 12 часов назад

    I’ve got the park side love it going to get the evolution track . Thanks for the video

  • @AmosWiggins
    @AmosWiggins 14 часов назад

    Another great video.
    I recently bought the new evolution guide rails and have been disappointed with what I was hoping to be the best joining mechanism.
    How have you found the fit, finish and performance of the 1400mm guide rails while joined together?
    Do you have a video coming? Would be interested to see your opinion.
    Keep up the great content.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  13 часов назад

      I’ve had no issues with the G2 rails and joining bars at all. What have you had problems with?

    • @AmosWiggins
      @AmosWiggins 13 часов назад

      @ when both are joined the joining bars just don’t seem to keep them locked together securely. Even when being super careful when moving between cuts they work loose. They also don’t align the two guide rails perfectly and the saw catches at the joint.
      May well be user error so wondering if a review video may be on the horizon 😉

  • @andrewwatkinson1548
    @andrewwatkinson1548 15 часов назад

    I bought a 2 nd hand TS55 for about £50 and the old set of evolution (orange ones) 1.4 mtr rails for about £65 and the set up works perfectly.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  14 часов назад

      I’ll bet it does! Never seen a TS55 priced that low!

    • @andrewwatkinson1548
      @andrewwatkinson1548 14 часов назад

      @ yeah Peter, it was a right bargain. Collected it from a cash converters near ascot. 110v and came in a systainer (bit battered like but a systainer all the same) I officially joined the cream and green club. 😆

    • @PeterLukac-r9n
      @PeterLukac-r9n 11 часов назад

      @@andrewwatkinson1548 Is there a risk of of getting the saw which could have been bent, and then not making perfect cuts ?

  • @FuzzyScaredyCat
    @FuzzyScaredyCat 20 часов назад

    Still have my Titan, probably about time I changed the blade🤣 - I'd like a longer track for it though.

  • @DavidLee-cw6ci
    @DavidLee-cw6ci 15 часов назад

    I think the Excel track is like that because they used to sell the other type, probably just trying to flog off existing stock.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад

      Nope. Two separate product lines with no joined-up thinking between them. 🤦‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️

  • @Garylivingstone
    @Garylivingstone 14 часов назад

    Peter another great review.
    Two questions sorry for bothering you in you opinnion which would be better quality (smoothness in operation between the einhell and rutlands corded saws can get rutlands on sale today for £120 today with two tracks
    Second question can you recomend a blade rather than the stock blades i would rather start with a new blade thather than the stock blade as this may put out the chip guard
    Again sorry for taking up your time with the long winded questions i intend on buying the evo tracks as well.
    Regards

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  13 часов назад +1

      Thanks Gary, and no trouble. The Einhell is the better saw; better stock blade. The Rutlands is basically a more expensive Parkside / excel / lumberjack with no real benefit, and like most saws at this level the rails are 2 x700mm, with only third-party upgrade options. 🤷‍♂️👍

    • @Garylivingstone
      @Garylivingstone 13 часов назад

      @@10MinuteWorkshop thanks Peter

  • @mattcred
    @mattcred 9 часов назад

    I'm thinking of getting the Evolution G2 rails to run a router along to make some 2300mm kitchen cabinet end panels with a faux tonge and groove. Would this work? Is there a better way to do it?
    A little off topic sorry 😬
    Plunge saw is on the xmas list though.
    Great video as always 🍻

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  3 часа назад

      Yes, that would work re the panelling; you could adapt the router guide rail adapter I did not so long back (any router, any rail) with an extended base to locate in the groove to keep everything consistent. 👍

  • @Micha_Ba
    @Micha_Ba 17 часов назад

    Great video Peter.
    Is the Parkside the latest Model? I got the 2024 version, went downstairs an had to look, my saw has a black riving knife.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад +1

      Mine's from 2021 Michael, it's the C2 variant. 👍 Never seen one with a black riving knife! Must be a special they keep for the German market! 👌 😄

    • @Micha_Ba
      @Micha_Ba 15 часов назад

      @10MinuteWorkshop i don't know if it's only for the German market.
      Seen videos here on RUclips, where there was no riving knife at all (2023 version? maybe)

  • @Allllgsgshdb
    @Allllgsgshdb 17 часов назад

    What's the best saw for drust extraction between makita ( looking at the xgt , as I'm on the platform already) and festool / mafel?

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад +1

      I'd say better on the Festool / Mafell, but not as much in it as there would be between the Makita and one of these saws. 👍

    • @Allllgsgshdb
      @Allllgsgshdb Час назад

      @@10MinuteWorkshop thank you

  • @gerardbarrett7102
    @gerardbarrett7102 15 часов назад

    Hi Peter, the old model evolution tracks are on a Black Friday offer today. Is there any reason not to go for them or is it worth spending a little more for the newer model tracks? I’ve got the Einhell plunge saw.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад +1

      I'd always go for the newer model if you have the choice - the upwards-facing t-slot on the left side means it's one of the most compatible rails around for accessories. 👍

    • @gerardbarrett7102
      @gerardbarrett7102 15 часов назад

      Great, thank you👍

  • @marcdevriendt8419
    @marcdevriendt8419 13 часов назад

    Hi Peter,
    Where did you get this "LR32" Makita rail? I'm looking for upgrading my Makita rails with LR32 holes.
    Thanks in advance for your answer.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  13 часов назад +1

      I made it using the MakHack jig - see the Gift List ‘24 for details! 👍

    • @marcdevriendt8419
      @marcdevriendt8419 42 минуты назад

      @@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter.
      I've seen the MakHack jig but found it a bit too expensive for a 3D printed block with two holes. So, as I own a good 3D printer, I've been looking for a 3D drilling jig model but couldn't find one yet. I think I'll spend some time in learning Fusion 360 and model the jig myself and probably other which I intend to share ;-).
      Anyway, I do appreciate your videos very much.
      Greetings from Brussels!

  • @warrensmith2902
    @warrensmith2902 19 часов назад

    Great job as always. Now about that Makita holly rail? Makhack I presume?

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  16 часов назад

      Yes, that was the MakHack test rail. 👌 👍

  • @TheFlyingEpergne
    @TheFlyingEpergne 8 часов назад

    Do any of these work with the DeWalt guide rails?

  • @thegoon5817
    @thegoon5817 22 часа назад +1

    Hi Peter. Did you say in a previous video that your shop would have Black Friday deals? Not seen any!

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  22 часа назад +3

      10% off everything in the store, including plans. No discount codes, just applied at checkout. 👍

  • @agnieszkarieff-wojciechows8631
    @agnieszkarieff-wojciechows8631 15 часов назад

    Black parkside performance bettery version looks decent and theres not much price diference comparing old green corded version

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад

      But not available in the UK. 🤷‍♂️

    • @stuarthawthorne87
      @stuarthawthorne87 10 часов назад

      Did come out in Northern Ireland once so far quite good

  • @chrisharrell2449
    @chrisharrell2449 14 часов назад

    Parkside make a performance tracksaw. that means it's brushless and better quality. runs with Bluetooth batteries, etc. I've seen it advertised online, but Always out to stock. I think this would be a worthwhile upgrade if we could get hold of them. I have a performance drill. and circular saw which are many years old now. and can't get the batteries for them as they use a different battery from the team version of batteries. Luckily, both tools came with a battery each. And each had a charger also. but only last week, one of the Chargers went bang. So if the second one gives up, I'm done for. These are very well made tools. I did make a track guide out of pieces of plastic. to fit my. exist in tracks for my. plunge saws. It's okay. Get a straight line cut without. need for main's power.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  13 часов назад

      I don’t know why Parkside don’t bring their cordless saw to Britain. It’s a mystery. 🤷‍♂️👍

  • @scottthompson1528
    @scottthompson1528 21 час назад

    I bought a erbaur plunge saw a few years back. But the blade always stalls on a cut deeper than 5mm. Resulting in a poor cut. Not sure if it's me (any tips great fully received) but I hardly use it because of this and wish I invested in a table saw.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  21 час назад

      Something definitely wrong there. I took a look at the rebranded similar sized triton a few years back and the Erbauer had the edge. What are you cutting and are you using the stock blade?

    • @willm995
      @willm995 21 час назад

      Also have the same Erbauer saw, mine doesn't sound quite as bad but the motor definitely struggles in deeper cuts, tried a fresh blade and had no real effect.

    • @scottthompson1528
      @scottthompson1528 21 час назад

      Still using the stock blade. It was a case of was it worth it. I am not cutting anything special. 22mm ply. Biggest was the bottom of 35 mm door. Which I did running multiple cuts

    • @johnclements6614
      @johnclements6614 20 часов назад +1

      I have used my two year old erbaur for cutting up 2 by 4 , so about 45mm on side, with no problem if you take it easy. I have even cut part way through a fence post, less hand sawing and you have a nice 90 degree start.

  • @davorinrusevljan6440
    @davorinrusevljan6440 15 часов назад

    It would be interesting if you could put your hands on parkside performance track saw.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад

      The cordless one? That wouldn't be interesing for anyone in the UK as they're not available here, unfortunately...

    • @davorinrusevljan6440
      @davorinrusevljan6440 14 часов назад

      @@10MinuteWorkshop I guess it is just a matter of time when they will appear. Performance line is usually of better quality.

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  14 часов назад

      @@davorinrusevljan6440 It’s been what, a year or more? Can’t help but think if they wanted to bring it to the UK they’d have done it by now. 🤷‍♂️👍

  • @hs1626
    @hs1626 21 час назад

    You used to recommend the MacAllister (which is the reason I picked mine up). Is it fair to say that none of these alternatives are an upgrade in any meaningful way?

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  21 час назад

      I’ve never recommended the MacAllister, but it was a good value proposition at around £70 - not so much at £~140-ish. These saws definitely aren’t an upgrade though, just lower priced alternatives, perhaps better made in the Einhell case. 👍

    • @Micha_Ba
      @Micha_Ba 17 часов назад

      I got ehm some entry lvl tracksaws.
      Been very impressed when i took the Einhell out of the box. Tbh i didn't expect such a "good" saw!

  • @Tom_Prendiville
    @Tom_Prendiville 21 час назад

    Very happy with my makita 36v but im sure this line up will cut the mustard 👍🏼

  • @davidbarrett7424
    @davidbarrett7424 51 минуту назад

    We really need budget domino clones… anyone know when / if the festool patent expires?

  • @bradjones5266
    @bradjones5266 19 часов назад

    Hi Peter, when is your Router series out? cheers

  • @davidfarnall3211
    @davidfarnall3211 22 часа назад +7

    First.... Couldn't resist it when I "saw" this come in. I'll get my coat.

    • @jwatkins123
      @jwatkins123 22 часа назад +3

      Couldn't resist taking the plunge?

    • @canonphotoandy
      @canonphotoandy 22 часа назад +3

      It's always so tempting to make a cutting pun when I see saw too

    • @richardclarke9966
      @richardclarke9966 22 часа назад +3

      @@jwatkins123 Right on-'track' for worst pun of the day

  • @mikeenglish7063
    @mikeenglish7063 16 часов назад

    Alot of excell and lumberjack tools appear to be made in same factory and ha different badges stuck on

  • @adrianwyer8382
    @adrianwyer8382 16 часов назад

    sheppach pl55 has riving knife and performs ok... joining bars on the track are garbage, sticks every time you make a cut... will have to stump up the £70 for a long single rail if you want to cut sheet goods

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад +1

      As per the description, I've deliberately not included the Sheppach saws here because of the crazy design choices which make them unusable on any other rails. 🤷‍♂️

  • @ianmurray3820
    @ianmurray3820 15 часов назад

    DIY guide rail.??? With splinter guards both sides of the blade.!!???

  • @Pistol_Knight
    @Pistol_Knight 17 часов назад

    I think you must the most tracksaws of anyone in the UK!!!!!

  • @DebsHill1
    @DebsHill1 15 часов назад

    amazing how the rail brand doesnt match the same brand saw 🤷🏼‍♀️

  • @simonpetermurrell
    @simonpetermurrell 16 часов назад

    If you put a proper blade on most of the saws they should do perform pretty well until you are ready to upgrade to a Makita, Festool, Milwaukee etc once your skills improve....

    • @10MinuteWorkshop
      @10MinuteWorkshop  15 часов назад +1

      The 48t blades were pretty good, the 24t were what you'd expect from a 24t blade. 👍

    • @simonpetermurrell
      @simonpetermurrell 15 часов назад

      @10MinuteWorkshop 24T blade would cut through plywood pretty well on the low budget options. Thank you for another great vid Pete!

  • @yvesmorneau2492
    @yvesmorneau2492 19 часов назад +1

    Stay on track !
    Dad joke at its finest