About to pick up Viper so this is really good to know. I do the smoke thing instinctively, it gives the enemies no space at all, as soon as they exit the smoke they’re barely on site 😂
Ok weirdly enough i know this trick from a while ago, we used the bad vipe wall on b icebox to make someone peak tower and have my whole team watch it and get a free pick, we would only use this trick once or twice
Sometimes I actually make the smoke poke out onto site intentionally to give myself more cover and decrease the chances of them being able to check the corner im playing in as they come out onto site. Try it, place a shallow smoke and play on the other side of where the enemy usually comes out from. They'd have to turn their backs to the site to check your corner and you'd be behind them as they're coming out on site.
Having the Orb flush with the wall so pushing enemies are forced to take a blind 2 way angle is also important. You need to decide whether the ability to push them through it, or shut them down as they try to push in is more important. Also for the wall shown at the end, its nearly impossible to get it so the upper area does not have a gap on one side, both, or leaves it uncovered, since unlike Harbour, you cannot curve the wall to be flush with it AND also block off the Snowman and Orange angles at the same time.
These are very good tips. I don’t play a lot of viper personally(omen main basically) but it frustrates me greatly when I see vipers or smokers give free space to the enemies by walling or Smoking off bad angles or large open areas. So advice like this is really helpful being shared!
Actually the diagonal wall on B is terrible anyway, re orient it across Orange so you can get proper site control and win the round easily, instead of stuffed back in B main for the whole postplant.
Oh yeah I do the same thing with Astra, place the smokes more towards them, that way they have no room to come on to site THROUGH the smoke because you’re using that technique yourself on them👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
As a former controller main, i get annoyed when my viper doesn't do these things, especially the viper wall on b site icebox. As i tend to play jett, i always have to throw my smokes to cover that place
I already use these tricks while playing, and my teams never take advantage of it to push. I'm stuck in elo hell because no one ever plays aggressive on my teams. 😐
The wall on icebox is kinda bad bcs you leave space for them staying right next to default behint the wall without decaying and they also have the advantage to swing without taking damage and also having clear vision if you do the wall right at the edge of default it would be much better it could lead to noc compleatly smoking of haven but it is still better in my opinion
This isn't just a viper tip. It's controllers in general. I can't tell you how many times I see people push their smoke so far up into chokes points. Push the damn thing as far back as possible without creating bad angles. It makes it harder for them to push through the smoke (specifically flash characters excluding breach) and gives you more space thus more time to react. Specifcally on ascent A site, you have a brim that'll smoke off the entrance. Stop. If you're throwing smokes because you hear them right after the round starts just throw your smoke deeper. You'll give yourselves more space, you'll create more angles they have to worry about, and they will have to waste a lot more util in order to deal with those new possibilities
I'm iron hit low bronze and utilising that wall took me a while to understand (didnt watch any tips and tricks help) but is very much common sense in a game like this
what do u prefer? at breeze b for example, the orb ends at the start of the choke point or the orb ends at the end of the choke point? i always do the end. and also, could u maybe make a vid on how to use viper orb both on defense and attack properly, mainly attack, i struggle w that sometimes :)
with the orb one, would it not be better to cover the entire choke point all the way to that crossfire angle? reason being that, in low elo, let’s be honest map control means essentially nothing since people just 4/5 man everything. I feel like putting an org for holding crossfire would be a lot better. Feel like this orb lets the enemy pop out, take a shot or scout, then hide in the smoke since it’s so deep.
The Viper Wall with Open heaven is way better, bc zhey enemy cant Spray u through the smoke without getting traded safely. With the Wall Up, they can Just use free util or Spray without beiing Seen.
I heard some viper mains like the smoke a little in site as it counters full rushes. As viper you cn post left or right of smoke or even sit inside. Even if a jett or raze pushes in, they my very well not see you. Leading to many 3 for 1 trades.
This is making me sad I played Viper a few hours ago in a comp game and got absolutely teamed on by toxic teammates, taking a break from the game and forever associating this agent with toxicity... how ironic 😭
Alright but like the icebox one is one I KNOW VIPERS know but just can't seem to do like I used to be a viper main and I am literally stabbing the stop they have to do to do but they just CAN'T, bro I just had aneurysm.
Speaking from my perspective in my current rank (diamond 2) people need to understand more about the mechanics of viper, things like they shouldn't just pick viper because they watched a 30 second tik tok clip of some lineups; on a side note of tik tok lineups, for anyone following them STOP majority of the lineups I see require bouncing off a wall rather than going straight onto the bomb at a downwards angle this is BAD because any higher level sage players will notice this and just wall it off. Also, for the love of God stop saving all your utility for post plant... Yes, viper had incredibly an strong kit for post plant but that's only if you get the bomb down. If an enemy is in a corner just chuck a molly down, it forces them out the corner and makes them vulnerable. Use your molly to stop enemies peaking choke points when you're entering a site, use your orb as more than just a decay tool... It can create incredible timings on enemies by using mechanics like the "swoop peek" which involves throwing it down and picking it up while the smoke is up and peeking off the drop of the orb. Similarly you can use your wall for the same thing, my favourite spot is breeze mid where I will ask my viper to run the wall through mid and put it up immediately, I push out and depending on the steps of enemies I position myself either behind mid pillar or just outside of the door and then ask my viper to drop the wall, enemies never expect it and I've gotten as many as 3 kills in the first 15 seconds of the round doing this. My peek rank is ascendant 1 and I've even seen ascendant 3 players making the same mistakes.
its not about map control as much as it is about not giving the enemy walkout angles. a little bit of space is less impactful than setting up to make enemy pushes much harder
I've literally been doing this and have found My own little walls that work better than expected, only thing is that I just suck at aiming 🙃 It's okay tho, I'm usually the spike bitch that hopes she doesn't die lol
Lol saukura summoned a summoner that can summong a fox that could destroy the world if it wanted to because thats just the yin theres no yang in the fox because they slipt it
Well I am viper main(I make my own lineups and walls) and I already knew these tips but I'm b2 probably because my team doesn't know how to play around my smokes and I don't have any friends so I can't duo with someone. Even when I entry for my team (cause our reyna and jett want to push breeze mid with a SPECTRE and die) as viper and kill 3 people. I mostly get killed when I go to play my lineups, I can't even play other controllers like omen. I don't get the confidence when I play reyna, so can you make a video about entry fragging with viper in lower elos.
did u watch a short about like meditation presentation like, Everyone talks how exercise is important for your body but no one talks about exercise for your mind. hi everyone im ... and today i will talk about meditation.
ppl rly need to stop copying pros you just become part of the masses following like sheep these tips will be valid for like 1 month and then it's easy to counter learn to hone your own intuition access your creative part of your brain and find new things to push your agents potential further fr
This will be good to know!
*Picks Kay/O to prevent enemy vipers from doing this*
im the kay o
Huh how can kay/o prevent this?
@@kiloperson5680 his e ability disables abilities
@@kiloperson5680wall goes up, knife comes through, wall goes down
@@Lucas-yu4bu 👁️👄👁️
About to pick up Viper so this is really good to know. I do the smoke thing instinctively, it gives the enemies no space at all, as soon as they exit the smoke they’re barely on site 😂
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Play other smoke agent biper isn’t good for all maps as some maos have multiple entries which needs smokes
@@ngxviper9044 bruh WHAT?
I just recently started playing Viper again after I took a break and I feel like this is good advice I needed. Thanks
Glad I could help!
Ok weirdly enough i know this trick from a while ago, we used the bad vipe wall on b icebox to make someone peak tower and have my whole team watch it and get a free pick, we would only use this trick once or twice
Sometimes I actually make the smoke poke out onto site intentionally to give myself more cover and decrease the chances of them being able to check the corner im playing in as they come out onto site. Try it, place a shallow smoke and play on the other side of where the enemy usually comes out from. They'd have to turn their backs to the site to check your corner and you'd be behind them as they're coming out on site.
Nice keep up the content. imma sub cus im bad at viper so imma need these tips
glad im helping you out
im a gold 2 viper main and i need more tips like this! thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed!
Having the Orb flush with the wall so pushing enemies are forced to take a blind 2 way angle is also important. You need to decide whether the ability to push them through it, or shut them down as they try to push in is more important.
Also for the wall shown at the end, its nearly impossible to get it so the upper area does not have a gap on one side, both, or leaves it uncovered, since unlike Harbour, you cannot curve the wall to be flush with it AND also block off the Snowman and Orange angles at the same time.
These are very good tips. I don’t play a lot of viper personally(omen main basically) but it frustrates me greatly when I see vipers or smokers give free space to the enemies by walling or Smoking off bad angles or large open areas. So advice like this is really helpful being shared!
Actually the diagonal wall on B is terrible anyway, re orient it across Orange so you can get proper site control and win the round easily, instead of stuffed back in B main for the whole postplant.
Fact u can make viper line ups using Ur mini map using the vision circle facing to the sky run and fire
Nah I like the first wall too. Pair it with a flash and hard clear an angle. Advantageous gunfight for the T's
I prefer to cover the whole site! Helps a lot in my opinion
I like watching these shorts it teaches me what to do when a viper actually does this.
oh yea
Oh lmao I do these exact placements and was thinking crap am I doing it wrong at first
WOW
You are viper coach buddy!!! I subbed you! Thank you so much crazy rattiest ult and lineups!
I’m a silver 2 Viper main, and while I’m good with the second one, I hadn’t thought about the orb tip, so thanks!
😁
The last braincell in my head tryna remember this along with sova lineups
U ever gonna do a aim guide
I can’t aim I use lineups
@@dxtr All the way to high elo
This channel has made me a way better player whenever I started playing valorant, thanks for the content my dude 👍
Glad to hear it!
This is some pretty quality advice, great vid
Thank you for putting this out because i main smokes and when someone else plays smokes and does smokes too shallow it kinda kills me inside
Love this! Also I noticed you kinda sound like shakes 0.0
Thanks I do wanna play smokes and viper is a great choice. Her omen and brim are my top 3 smoke choices
Good choice!
What if i told you i dont even have viper unlocked
Oh yeah I do the same thing with Astra, place the smokes more towards them, that way they have no room to come on to site THROUGH the smoke because you’re using that technique yourself on them👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The fact that I’m doing this wall in icebox for ages and hard stuck in b2…
As a former controller main, i get annoyed when my viper doesn't do these things, especially the viper wall on b site icebox. As i tend to play jett, i always have to throw my smokes to cover that place
Thank you, but I already knew all of them. But still thank you so much to reminde me again. That I love Viper😍
Wait your the guy that used to play with Razz
If the Viper smoke is really far back wont that prevent your teammates from getting an angle on them when they push through?
I already use these tricks while playing, and my teams never take advantage of it to push. I'm stuck in elo hell because no one ever plays aggressive on my teams. 😐
Bro can u teach me more... I m plat player and love viper as a controler
I gotchu!
The wall on icebox is kinda bad bcs you leave space for them staying right next to default behint the wall without decaying and they also have the advantage to swing without taking damage and also having clear vision if you do the wall right at the edge of default it would be much better it could lead to noc compleatly smoking of haven but it is still better in my opinion
This isn't just a viper tip. It's controllers in general. I can't tell you how many times I see people push their smoke so far up into chokes points. Push the damn thing as far back as possible without creating bad angles. It makes it harder for them to push through the smoke (specifically flash characters excluding breach) and gives you more space thus more time to react. Specifcally on ascent A site, you have a brim that'll smoke off the entrance. Stop. If you're throwing smokes because you hear them right after the round starts just throw your smoke deeper. You'll give yourselves more space, you'll create more angles they have to worry about, and they will have to waste a lot more util in order to deal with those new possibilities
What if u told you, that I don't play viper?
I'm iron hit low bronze and utilising that wall took me a while to understand (didnt watch any tips and tricks help) but is very much common sense in a game like this
Be carful with the viper wall on b because they could still peak the edge
what do u prefer? at breeze b for example, the orb ends at the start of the choke point or the orb ends at the end of the choke point? i always do the end. and also, could u maybe make a vid on how to use viper orb both on defense and attack properly, mainly attack, i struggle w that sometimes :)
me jett main but viper on breeze on b site with wall push up elbow a bit so that you can block more off
as a viper main im glad to learn these ✨
This helped me so much now I am silver3
I gotchu! 💪🏼
with the orb one, would it not be better to cover the entire choke point all the way to that crossfire angle? reason being that, in low elo, let’s be honest map control means essentially nothing since people just 4/5 man everything. I feel like putting an org for holding crossfire would be a lot better.
Feel like this orb lets the enemy pop out, take a shot or scout, then hide in the smoke since it’s so deep.
Well the first and biggest problem here, I'm not immortal 3... not even close 😂
What if I told you I don’t play Viper but love your shorts?
That’s fine with me!!!
Can you make a video about Haven A??
I think difficult to smoke the upper floor.
For icebox, wouldn't the enemies spam through that wall then when you try to plant.
I need to get better at viper. I just unlocked her and she's my first that I have to manage a percentage ( manage her toxin)
The Viper Wall with Open heaven is way better, bc zhey enemy cant Spray u through the smoke without getting traded safely. With the Wall Up, they can Just use free util or Spray without beiing Seen.
IF u put it too much backward the guy have less places to clear so dont put it so back put it alined
I heard some viper mains like the smoke a little in site as it counters full rushes. As viper you cn post left or right of smoke or even sit inside. Even if a jett or raze pushes in, they my very well not see you. Leading to many 3 for 1 trades.
Me who dosnt main viper but knows all of these tricks just by playing her for fun: good to know
Thank you for the tip
You bet!
This is making me sad I played Viper a few hours ago in a comp game and got absolutely teamed on by toxic teammates, taking a break from the game and forever associating this agent with toxicity... how ironic 😭
Me after the intro:
I wouldn’t care, I’m a raze main 😂
RIP 😅
@@dxtr I still love the content though it’s great
Also once you plant you can ussally drop the wall right?
Alright but like the icebox one is one I KNOW VIPERS know but just can't seem to do like I used to be a viper main and I am literally stabbing the stop they have to do to do but they just CAN'T, bro I just had aneurysm.
Thnx a lot man
No problem
But I am a silver one with no main (I change it based on the map)
hm... i also use viper walls when against force buys to separate the map and cut rotations, so my team can focus 5v3/5v2 in the bombsite
How could I be playing viper wrong if I don’t play her?
was expecting to hear "sit in the distance like a b*tch and wait for the defuse sound"
Wait wait, for the 1st tip, ain't defender task is to defend space, not take the space ?
Thank you Mr Dexter for holding my hand
Me playing viper:
*hears enemy footsteps*
*Throws orb at the entrance*
*Pumps bucky*
This will be a day of reckoning!
I thought it was commonly known that Wall on B Icebox is placed so it covers nest there too.
I meme when i play viper i push into her orb thing then drop it and get a few kills cause they dont expect you to be there
Using viper with double controller is a real good way to rank up
thanks i'm trying to get viper so thanks bro
if you wall top site aswell they can easily spam default plant tho right ?
Speaking from my perspective in my current rank (diamond 2) people need to understand more about the mechanics of viper, things like they shouldn't just pick viper because they watched a 30 second tik tok clip of some lineups; on a side note of tik tok lineups, for anyone following them STOP majority of the lineups I see require bouncing off a wall rather than going straight onto the bomb at a downwards angle this is BAD because any higher level sage players will notice this and just wall it off. Also, for the love of God stop saving all your utility for post plant... Yes, viper had incredibly an strong kit for post plant but that's only if you get the bomb down. If an enemy is in a corner just chuck a molly down, it forces them out the corner and makes them vulnerable. Use your molly to stop enemies peaking choke points when you're entering a site, use your orb as more than just a decay tool... It can create incredible timings on enemies by using mechanics like the "swoop peek" which involves throwing it down and picking it up while the smoke is up and peeking off the drop of the orb. Similarly you can use your wall for the same thing, my favourite spot is breeze mid where I will ask my viper to run the wall through mid and put it up immediately, I push out and depending on the steps of enemies I position myself either behind mid pillar or just outside of the door and then ask my viper to drop the wall, enemies never expect it and I've gotten as many as 3 kills in the first 15 seconds of the round doing this.
My peek rank is ascendant 1 and I've even seen ascendant 3 players making the same mistakes.
Tips 1 : put smoke like other smoke
Tips 2 : put wall correctly
him: You are using viper wrong!
me : oh let's see what i did wrong
him: opens valorant
me: viper is supposed to be in valorant?!!
its not about map control as much as it is about not giving the enemy walkout angles. a little bit of space is less impactful than setting up to make enemy pushes much harder
But the amount of gas you lose, it’ll only be for a few seconds of cover and if you have.. bone headed teammates then good luck 😭
There are alot of immortal 3 viper mains, but this one is mine
What if I’m an immortal 4 viper main. Huh? Think about that
I want to Ask how many times a day you hear "dont get in my way"
me whos done this for ages but is not radiant: ;-;
i'm actually braindead for not doing the icebox wall right
Why sometimes Viper’s E doesn’t pass through
I prefer Loud coreano as well best of viper
bro viper needs buff so bad. My team always wants omen or clove.
I've literally been doing this and have found My own little walls that work better than expected, only thing is that I just suck at aiming 🙃 It's okay tho, I'm usually the spike bitch that hopes she doesn't die lol
No one plays Viper "wrong", they can play less effectively than other players tho
😃isnt this common sense like why would u make ur smoke so fat or not cover nest as a Viper MAIN?? like i am doing this since i was iron (currently g1)
Lol saukura summoned a summoner that can summong a fox that could destroy the world if it wanted to because thats just the yin theres no yang in the fox because they slipt it
That’s pretty cool I’ll remember this later.
Later: Locks in Sova.
Well I am viper main(I make my own lineups and walls) and I already knew these tips but I'm b2 probably because my team doesn't know how to play around my smokes and I don't have any friends so I can't duo with someone. Even when I entry for my team (cause our reyna and jett want to push breeze mid with a SPECTRE and die) as viper and kill 3 people. I mostly get killed when I go to play my lineups, I can't even play other controllers like omen. I don't get the confidence when I play reyna, so can you make a video about entry fragging with viper in lower elos.
As gold 1 Viper main I alr do this since I am bronze
i was waiting for viper to dance
What if i tell u that I don't play viper
Btw gr8 video very informative
Bro says the wall is stupid in the intro , n then says to use it later
my guy you really need to pay attention to details
What if I told you I don’t have viper
Idk lol
did u watch a short about like meditation presentation like, Everyone talks how exercise is important for your body but no one talks about exercise for your mind. hi everyone im ... and today i will talk about meditation.
You got you immortal 3 to know that
As an iron, I already do this 😭
Iron players are so adorable
This is sick omg
thanks daddy
Hi mommy viper
ppl rly need to stop copying pros you just become part of the masses following like sheep these tips will be valid for like 1 month and then it's easy to counter learn to hone your own intuition access your creative part of your brain and find new things to push your agents potential further fr
you’re cooking fr 🔥
The viper I want vs the viper I get is like 10 to 0
Dexter Morgan, is that really you?