"It's the future" but good lord I prefer to be a man of the past in that regard. I think it's ironic those things cheap out on the sat nav, despite being the only kind of vehicle desperately in need of ones which show the next charging station. In my old car, I just use google maps from my phone.
What a massive let down! 2016 I used to have a Renault Kangoo EV... Whilst not a Porsche.... It would smoke its tyres and do 85mph.... For way less money. These two are plain dreadful.
My Peugeot e-expert cost £ 31k and does 170 miles per charge. Cover 100 miles per day with just over half a charge and top back up every night for a couple of quid. Easy.
There are minimum speed limits - you cant go less than 40mph on a motorway, unless the law has changed - but those vans are going to be even slower when fully laden. They are a hazard and should not pass this country's 'Construction And Use' tests...
plus cold weather really kicks range in. my Corsa E is doing well now the weather is warmer, below 0 degrees c i was getting 120miles a charge which is a lot less than the 'claimed' 209miles which i've never achieved! it does what I need and I expected the range to be no where near what they claim but it's really misleading for people new to EV's that don't understand electronics and/or batteries
That Transporter is a bad joke by VW. 82 mile range! EIGHTY TWO!!! And that’s their figure not the real life fully loaded range or maybe it is but they didn’t say anything about that. The Mercedes isn’t good either!
As a former van driver I'll tell you part of my job was long days covering many miles up and down the motorway and flying around town getting distance and jobs covered in the quickest time possible. To that end these vans are totally inappropriate. Great job Mercedes and VW NOT !
Absolute nonsense my eqv has 200bhp and over 200miles of range it's quicker and nicer to drive than any of the sporty diesel equivalents... It also does indicated 104mph and that is restricted. Feel like they purposely chose the most basic models to try and make them look crap 🤔
@@Alexander_l322 With 269hp it would easily push it along. These vans are extremely underpowered, for a lower cost you can get a 189hp one with 69kwh but it gets around 169mi on a charge
I had to doublecheck the upload date of this video as for that price with such utterly useless tiny battery pack... honestly, why did they even bothered.
Are the Fifth Gear presenters blind? The VW has a much nicer interior than the Vito, bland as it is. I'm not saying the VW's interior is premium because it just isn't, but the interior of the Mercedes is just horrible; for starters the screen is much more dated and has worse navigation, the plastics on the dashboard look and feel worse, and the Mercedes Vito's steering wheel doesn't even have any buttons! Mercedes have really cut costs on their Vito van, which is such a shame since its sibling the V-class has a way nicer interior that genuinely feels like a Mercedes.
Seems a little sketchy topping out at 50mph on motorways. You'll spend all day being overtaken by HGVs and that's pretty hairy. You'd think mid-size vans would be prime candidates for EV conversion; electric motors make tonnes of instantaneous torque and vans have big flat rear bays to shoehorn in a large, low profile battery pack.
The Motors have big torque, but this just means manufacturers skip out on transmissions meaning you don't have much torque on the wheel. Personally, I'll never buy a EV with Lithium Batteries or let one park in my garage but for anyone in the market for those: Those Batteries last the longest if you only use small amounts of their max. capacity between recharges, you'd typically want them above 3/4 charged (more=better). However, they usually load slower near the top-end, so most people will drive them dry (kinda logical with ranges as the ones mentioned) and fast-charge them for 30~ minutes when they have to extend the range... so buying one used doesn't sound like a good idea either. Back to the topic: EVs also hate drag (also why most have fairly low topspeeds around 120~140, which is more notable here in germany), so it's gonna be a big challenge for that tech to even give you decent mileage at speeds that don't make you a obstacle in traffic.
@@MadIIMike "You'd typically want them above 3/4 charged (more=better)" This is wrong, so wrong. The ideal SoC (charge stage) for lithium batteries is ~20-80%. This range is also where they typically charge faster because electrons flow more easily when the pack isn't full or almost empty. All vehicles hate drag, it's just that it is more noticeable in an EV where the motor efficiency is much better than in an ICE. Look at consumption numbers on an ICE, they go up massively with higher speeds too which is mainly a result of drag.
I’m sorry but as much as we need to move away from ICE in commercial vehicles, this is ridiculous in 2022. A lot of vans do 100s of miles a day so these are effectively useless once you put anything inside them. 56mph top is dangerous and impractical.
Why £20k more expensive ? basically the same except battery instead of engine. when fully loaded it will have a range of 6 feet. A massive step backwards and more ammo for the ev haters.no doubt confsuing range and speed with ev cars
I have just bought a brand new t6.1 transporter high line lwb dsg 204 bi turbo diesel. If this is the future of white van man transport take me back to the 60s and give me a mk1 ford transit as its still better in every way
Every review I have seen on EV vans has been bad, don't forget these test are with no load in the back. I reckon the last ICE vans before the ban in 2030 will be very sort after .
the place I work at amongst many other vans we have a 2021 electric vw crafter, and I ahave to say that the quality is abismal. the whole vw range is an terriffic dissapointment over last few years, the quality of materials has plummeted severly over last few years, reliability has become a thing of the past and the whole brand persona has been totally diluted, but the sales are still high due to the general publics idea that these are quiality and affordable vehicles from years gone past. quality, logic and good old common sense have been totaly replaced by gimmicks noone needs, but many are somehow convinced they actually want, and the value of what you get for the money is ridiculously low. the interiors of most new entry to midrange german cars are far worse, that those of cheap korean cars that these same brand snobs were joking about 10 or 15 years ago. but people still keep on buying vw and skodas as status symbols in the poorer parts of europe, as if they ever were. I'm at all not surprised that the company that I work at is starting to buy and use vans and commercial vehicles from less known brands from asia, and we are far happier with what they offer
These are conversions of diesel models and they're pretty underwhelming. Try something designed to be electric like a Vauxhall vivaro E or Peugeot expert.
Also poor conversions, electric pump on hydraulic rack, hot water heater pumps water to standard heater core, standard parts bin, brake servo with vacuum pump. The ENV200 however has innovative EV parts such as the electric brake booster, and electic steering which should be a no brainer since many ICE vehicles 20 years ago had electric steering,.
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Incorrect title.
Weird - the “Fiat Vivaro” doesn’t even exist
£50,000 and can’t even reach motorway speed and no sat nav? With a cheapo interior and no range once loaded. Rip off operation.
Plus they’re dated on platforms that are both well over 10 years old
"It's the future" but good lord I prefer to be a man of the past in that regard.
I think it's ironic those things cheap out on the sat nav, despite being the only kind of vehicle desperately in need of ones which show the next charging station. In my old car, I just use google maps from my phone.
Fifth gear quality has really gone down over the years
Production quality is poor, ideas are boring, and now even title of the video is incorrect.
Is the video title deliberately misleading? I see a VW van and a Merc van, but no Fiat Vivaro!!
Fiat Vivaro does not exist 😂
Should be vauxhaul vivaro
What a massive let down!
2016 I used to have a Renault Kangoo EV... Whilst not a Porsche.... It would smoke its tyres and do 85mph.... For way less money. These two are plain dreadful.
Can't reach 55 mph imagine that when you have articulate truck right behind you so dangerous
I was looking today on eBay and you can buy a vw transporter van on a 21 reg with 8000 miles for £15000 grand.
My Peugeot e-expert cost £ 31k and does 170 miles per charge. Cover 100 miles per day with just over half a charge and top back up every night for a couple of quid. Easy.
How to top up now?
@@micky5407 About £ 3 to top up now as overnight tariff has jumped from 5p kWh to 7.5p kWh .
There are minimum speed limits - you cant go less than 40mph on a motorway, unless the law has changed - but those vans are going to be even slower when fully laden. They are a hazard and should not pass this country's 'Construction And Use' tests...
When I did my driving test years ago they always said it’s dangerous to go below 50mph on a clear motorway and I would agree
Why would they be slower when loaded? They'd still do there top speed fully loaded.😂
Every review takes the "range" at 100% use; which is incorrect. Idling with power on, a/c use, hills... all eat into that number.
plus cold weather really kicks range in. my Corsa E is doing well now the weather is warmer, below 0 degrees c i was getting 120miles a charge which is a lot less than the 'claimed' 209miles which i've never achieved! it does what I need and I expected the range to be no where near what they claim but it's really misleading for people new to EV's that don't understand electronics and/or batteries
@@ukvamp the Corsa E is good in traffic though it’s perfect for around town
That Transporter is a bad joke by VW. 82 mile range! EIGHTY TWO!!! And that’s their figure not the real life fully loaded range or maybe it is but they didn’t say anything about that. The Mercedes isn’t good either!
A golf buggy would be better than those lumps of scrap
Mercedes eVito v Fiat Vivaro ev PT 1 | Fifth Gear
Where is the Fiat Vivaro?!
I forgot about this channel for about 5 years
As a former van driver I'll tell you part of my job was long days covering many miles up and down the motorway and flying around town getting distance and jobs covered in the quickest time possible. To that end these vans are totally inappropriate.
Great job Mercedes and VW NOT !
Wrong title on the video! Fiat?
Absolute nonsense my eqv has 200bhp and over 200miles of range it's quicker and nicer to drive than any of the sporty diesel equivalents... It also does indicated 104mph and that is restricted.
Feel like they purposely chose the most basic models to try and make them look crap 🤔
Fiat Vivaro?
You’ve got the title muddled up Fifth Gear.
Hybrid makes much more sense.
What’s a Fiat Vivaro?
Why does the title say fiat van rather than a Volkswagen.
These are very poor examples of electric vans. The Stellantis vans are a more compelling proposition.
for 54,000 pounds you can get the eTransit with 269hp and a 69kwh battery, 120mi for a van 2 times the size of these things.
Even that’s still not great but it’s better than these two vans
@@Alexander_l322 With 269hp it would easily push it along. These vans are extremely underpowered, for a lower cost you can get a 189hp one with 69kwh but it gets around 169mi on a charge
wtf is a Fiat Vivaro
I had to doublecheck the upload date of this video as for that price with such utterly useless tiny battery pack... honestly, why did they even bothered.
Are the Fifth Gear presenters blind? The VW has a much nicer interior than the Vito, bland as it is. I'm not saying the VW's interior is premium because it just isn't, but the interior of the Mercedes is just horrible; for starters the screen is much more dated and has worse navigation, the plastics on the dashboard look and feel worse, and the Mercedes Vito's steering wheel doesn't even have any buttons! Mercedes have really cut costs on their Vito van, which is such a shame since its sibling the V-class has a way nicer interior that genuinely feels like a Mercedes.
If you think that performance is bad you want to try driving a bus
I can’t see either of these vans taking off, too slow, too expensive & limited by range.
Das beste oder nichts.
not sure why the evito van with the 66 kw battery was used in this test. having a much improved performance.
Seems a little sketchy topping out at 50mph on motorways. You'll spend all day being overtaken by HGVs and that's pretty hairy. You'd think mid-size vans would be prime candidates for EV conversion; electric motors make tonnes of instantaneous torque and vans have big flat rear bays to shoehorn in a large, low profile battery pack.
The Motors have big torque, but this just means manufacturers skip out on transmissions meaning you don't have much torque on the wheel.
Personally, I'll never buy a EV with Lithium Batteries or let one park in my garage but for anyone in the market for those: Those Batteries last the longest if you only use small amounts of their max. capacity between recharges, you'd typically want them above 3/4 charged (more=better).
However, they usually load slower near the top-end, so most people will drive them dry (kinda logical with ranges as the ones mentioned) and fast-charge them for 30~ minutes when they have to extend the range... so buying one used doesn't sound like a good idea either.
Back to the topic: EVs also hate drag (also why most have fairly low topspeeds around 120~140, which is more notable here in germany), so it's gonna be a big challenge for that tech to even give you decent mileage at speeds that don't make you a obstacle in traffic.
By the time you get on a motorway, you’ll be out of battery. Range is bollox.
@@MadIIMike "You'd typically want them above 3/4 charged (more=better)" This is wrong, so wrong. The ideal SoC (charge stage) for lithium batteries is ~20-80%. This range is also where they typically charge faster because electrons flow more easily when the pack isn't full or almost empty.
All vehicles hate drag, it's just that it is more noticeable in an EV where the motor efficiency is much better than in an ICE. Look at consumption numbers on an ICE, they go up massively with higher speeds too which is mainly a result of drag.
you missed the point. These vehicles will never be driven on a motorway
@@kimekholm7178 You reckon delivery/tradesmen never use the motorways?
How do I watch the rest?
abysmal effort by these rust-bucket manufacturers. E-NV200 is better, as is the Proace/Vivaro/Expert/Dispatch/Scudo
Where's the Fiat Vivaro? And more importantly: what should a FIAT Vivaro be?
You should try the arrival and the volta zero
I’m sorry but as much as we need to move away from ICE in commercial vehicles, this is ridiculous in 2022. A lot of vans do 100s of miles a day so these are effectively useless once you put anything inside them. 56mph top is dangerous and impractical.
Are these ranges for when the van is empty or fully laden ?
empty!
EV Van Dogfight: Mercedes eVito v Fiat Vivaro ev PT 1 | Fifth Gear it's vw not fiat it needs changing
Fiat?
The ID Buzz should be way better than these pieces of junk, hopefully vw hurries up a bit with the long version with the big battery.
Why £20k more expensive ? basically the same except battery instead of engine. when fully loaded it will have a range of 6 feet. A massive step backwards and more ammo for the ev haters.no doubt confsuing range and speed with ev cars
Come on ! surely you can complete test in one video. Re scratchy materials, they last and look better longer in those locations.
I have just bought a brand new t6.1 transporter high line lwb dsg 204 bi turbo diesel. If this is the future of white van man transport take me back to the 60s and give me a mk1 ford transit as its still better in every way
Vauxhall vivaro for a start
Wrong title
Is this carrying a load as expected of a van?
Every review I have seen on EV vans has been bad, don't forget these test are with no load in the back.
I reckon the last ICE vans before the ban in 2030 will be very sort after .
i still want one
Okey so they aren't any good are they
the place I work at amongst many other vans we have a 2021 electric vw crafter, and I ahave to say that the quality is abismal. the whole vw range is an terriffic dissapointment over last few years, the quality of materials has plummeted severly over last few years, reliability has become a thing of the past and the whole brand persona has been totally diluted, but the sales are still high due to the general publics idea that these are quiality and affordable vehicles from years gone past. quality, logic and good old common sense have been totaly replaced by gimmicks noone needs, but many are somehow convinced they actually want, and the value of what you get for the money is ridiculously low. the interiors of most new entry to midrange german cars are far worse, that those of cheap korean cars that these same brand snobs were joking about 10 or 15 years ago. but people still keep on buying vw and skodas as status symbols in the poorer parts of europe, as if they ever were. I'm at all not surprised that the company that I work at is starting to buy and use vans and commercial vehicles from less known brands from asia, and we are far happier with what they offer
This must be an old episode. These vans must be 2015 models or something. I hope, for their sake.
Unfortunately not…
Nope. These are hypermodern and the future we are going into. It sucks.
The Mercedes’ has no fast charge that’s a biggie
The Vw looks fresh,lovely interior with an auto gearbox and its such a classic reliable van :D
It's now an ev not the same mate
@@mariomario5368 i know man…
These are conversions of diesel models and they're pretty underwhelming. Try something designed to be electric like a Vauxhall vivaro E or Peugeot expert.
Also poor conversions, electric pump on hydraulic rack, hot water heater pumps water to standard heater core, standard parts bin, brake servo with vacuum pump. The ENV200 however has innovative EV parts such as the electric brake booster, and electic steering which should be a no brainer since many ICE vehicles 20 years ago had electric steering,.
Battery power will take over? 😂😂😂😂
They should do a global ev giveaway..to be back on spotlight or just bring old cast & crew..
My father used a transporter 3.2 tha was such a beast
stupid vans - they cost farrrr too miuch money!!!!!!!
Were fiat? Hallo VW
🤣😂junk
What happened Jason? ETC to EV vans! Must hurt a bit mate!
Gay
Wrong title