Hey, everyone. There's one hand in this video where I thought I was being slow-rolled and was visibly frustrated by it. This was actually a misunderstanding of the rules on my end at the time, and I actually apologized to this player since then. My understanding was that the last player to bet or raise is the first to show, but after discussing the rule with the floor, that is only true if there is action on the river. If everyone checks on the river instead, then the most out of position player is intended to show first, which would have been me in this hand. I messed up here, but I reconciled with the player since I made the mistake.
Hey, glad you like it, Edward! I can't promise they'll always be this long since it depends on how the session goes, but I'm up for making them this long regularly if I can.
I've been watching your vlogs at work man, keep up the good work! I honestly think you're on pace with rampage and brad owens. Really fun to watch someone at smaller stakes.
Cant bluff a calling station. Gotta tag that man and move on playing ABC poker against him and just betting big when you have it to get value from him. 94 hand, I think you have to call when you hit 2pr and the bet isn't too large. 4 is a brick, and any missed flush draw is gonna feel like he has to bet to win, plus any tptk hand could go for thin value in that situation with how loose your range looked this session w hands you showed down.
Yeah, I've seen the same unbluffable player there again since then, so I know he's a regular. I haven't played with him since, but I won't soon forget that he'll call with anything, and take advantage of that for max value next time. For the 94 hand, I probably would have called there vs. many other players at the table. The player in particular I was up against hadn't shown too much aggression in general, though you do make a valid point in general that's worth considering.
Hey, Connie! In the first hand where I had AQ vs. K3, the opponent had to show first because he made the last action to put me all-in. In the second hand where I accidentally straddled w/ KK, I thought my opponent was supposed to be first to show since he made the last action. However, I've talked to the floor at The Lodge since then, and when there's no action on the river (everyone checks), the player most out of position (closer to the dealer button) is supposed to show first. After learning this, I apologized to the player who I thought slow-rolled me, as I was actually mistaken about the showdown order in this hand.
I do like the longer vids as well. Your game seems decent, think you could tighten up your preflop range a little to increase your winrate, but you at least have some reasoning for why you do most of the things you do. Feels like Texas poker you can print money at lower stakes just playing super tight and betting big with made hands, at least from the sessions I have seen there.
Glad to hear you like the longer videos, I'll try to keep them longer when I can going forward. I definitely play too wide a range at times, though you can probably see how the implied odds when hitting is so high in this field, which makes it enticing.
I enjoy your blog since I’m a low stakes newbie. However, can you tell me the difference between being upset at being slow rolled and then turning around and “trapping “ an opponent with a pair of aces?
Hey Ed, glad you're enjoying it! Thanks for watching. The difference between bluffing/trapping and slow-rolling is that bluffing/trapping is part of the deception that goes into trying to get your opponent to put money into the pot while they're behind on the hand, while slow-rolling is getting your opponent to intentionally show a worse hand a showdown when you know you have the winning hand. There's no more action, no more money going into the pot, and no more need to deceive your opponent because of that, and intentionally slow-rolling an opponent is cruel and generally considered in poor taste.
At a standard 9-person table, the order of the seats is: BTN, SB, BB, UTG, UTG+1, UTG+2, MP, HJ, CO BTN = button SB = small blind BB = big blind UTG = under the gun UTG+1 = under the gun +2 UTG+2 = under the gun +2 MP = middle position HJ = hijack CO = cutoff I've also used LJ in some earlier videos (for "lojack"), but that really should be the person between MP & HJ at a 10-person table. I've stopped using that term in more recent videos since the game I play are 9-handed.
@@HuggiePoker thanks for the reply. I can't find the other video I commented on. I came off kinda rude. Please forgive me and disregard i was having a bad day
It's definitely possible I made a bad fold there. I think vs. most players I would have called, but I just had not seen this player be very aggressive, and at the time, I didn't think the 4 improved my hand enough to beat his.
Just come to your vlog. Why does being slow rolled tilt players? Tbh it doesn't bother me but I always make a point to try to slow roll a person who does do it to me if I can. ;) 😉
It's mostly just a matter of etiquette. It's mostly frustrating when someone has the nuts and are obviously not losing, but refuse to show until they're opponent does, giving a false sense of hope. If the rules deem that a specific player should show first, then I agree with your statement, and as it turns out I was actually mistaken about the rule in this instance (as I called out in another pinned comment).
That particular bluff into 2 people. Throwing money away. Raising a paired board with a flush.…..check bet raise reraise…. Unless you have a reason to not believe him. Believe him. You can’t bluff a calling station. More lighting of dollars on fire. If you are 4 bet jamming with A10 unsuited….you are lighting money on fire not raising your premiums. You created an image. Use it.
Fair points across the board. Though I do think there are enough players in the field here that would shove with less than a boat in that KTs hand. With only about $150 left to call, I need to be right only once every 5 or 6 times to break even there. I do think I acted quickly when calling though, I should probably think longer there and can maybe find a fold.
No slow roll. your turn to show. You have better than A high. Show or mock. Don't waste time. I use headphones and can't hear what you are saying and don't show out of order. The game is for money and if I don't have to show I don't want to show. Fan of videos and will keep watching. You can't stop me.
I have people try to soul read me all the time, tricks on you, I have no soul. I don't care if I win or lose, so you get no read on me. You have it or you don't. You can't read me because if I have the best hand, I win, if I don't I pay you and get a new hand.
Answer me this, your 94 hand. Why call the 20.00 turn bet, if you're gonna get the 4 on the river and fold? Call if the river card improves you. It did, call the 50. Or fold and save you 20. If the 4 didn't convince you, another 9 wouldn't have What card did you hope for a joker?
Poker's a story, and at the turn we only had part of the story. I acted on the information that was available at the time. On the river, we had more insight into the story that wasn't available on the turn, and I acted on that new knowledge. Was it wrong? Maybe. I don't think it was based upon the new information I learned between the turn and river though.
@@CowenJE It sounds like you didn't understand my last message. We didn't have the full story on the turn. I thought a 4 was possibly an out at that point. After seeing the rest of the story on the river, I came to believe that wasn't true. How could I have predicted the river action when we were only on the turn?
@@HuggiePoker That's your choice. However his actions are of no concern to me, people bluff, people lie. The question is (for me, i don't bluff) is my hand strong enough. I am not great, or even above par at times. But if I am beat, i pay them off, if not, I win. I rarely stay in with less than the top 4 possible hands. The object of poker isn't always to win, but to lose the least, and and don't leave broke.
3:10 bro how are you being slow rolled when you're first to show? he clearly just wants to see your hand which he's obligated too because you're first to show ... in my opinion doing anything but immediately turning your hand over when you're first to show is just poor etiquette especially for a reg ...
I had misunderstood the rules when this happened and actually apologized to this player since then. My understanding was that the last player to bet or raise is the first to show, but since we both checked on the river, it's actually the most out of position player who shows first, which was me in this case. I messed up here, but I reconciled with the player since I made the mistake.
Did the slow roller actually say that if you thought he had an ace you should have mucked your hand? What a pompous idiot. Next encounter make it a point to be big enough to not slow roll him thus making a bad impression on others at your table. GL
So you get mad at HIM, when you are asked to show your cards? You could have bluffed with nothing or had KK as you did. Isn't he allowed to get the same information you want from opponents? You saying ACE is good is YOU not wanting to show. If you want the pot, show your cards when asked, if not, muck them. Slow rolling is him seeing KK, then taking his sweet time showing that Ace. What he did was follow the rules of poker, getting all the info he is allowed to get within the rules. You were trying to keep that info to yourself (which is fine). But don't act like you were even remotely in the right.
@@HuggiePoker You don't know how this rule works, this only applies if there is a better on the river. On a checked-through river, players reveal their cards in the same order as action.
You're right MalPhene. I actually discussed with the floor today to get clarity, and if there is no action on the river, then the player most out of position shows first. I saw the player I was in the hand with tonight and apologized to him since I misunderstood the rule here. I was planning to get a video out to clarify my mistake and link it in the comments here, but I haven't been able to yet since this all just happened today. Thanks for commenting.
Hey, everyone. There's one hand in this video where I thought I was being slow-rolled and was visibly frustrated by it. This was actually a misunderstanding of the rules on my end at the time, and I actually apologized to this player since then. My understanding was that the last player to bet or raise is the first to show, but after discussing the rule with the floor, that is only true if there is action on the river. If everyone checks on the river instead, then the most out of position player is intended to show first, which would have been me in this hand. I messed up here, but I reconciled with the player since I made the mistake.
Great job for that comeback, inspiring, and I do like the length of your videos
I've only just started seeing your vlogs. Fantastic content and tips. Will be watching more in the future. Take care xxx
Hey Mel, thanks for watching! So glad you enjoyed watching, see you around!
Exactly what I wanted bro thanks for longer vids lol awesome!
Hey, glad you like it, Edward! I can't promise they'll always be this long since it depends on how the session goes, but I'm up for making them this long regularly if I can.
I've been watching your vlogs at work man, keep up the good work! I honestly think you're on pace with rampage and brad owens. Really fun to watch someone at smaller stakes.
Thanks man, glad you're enjoying them, and your compliment is flattering to say the least!
Not anywhere close to a slow roll though.
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Just saw the comment up top. Glad you got clarification, and big of you to acknowledge the error 👍👍👍
Cant bluff a calling station. Gotta tag that man and move on playing ABC poker against him and just betting big when you have it to get value from him.
94 hand, I think you have to call when you hit 2pr and the bet isn't too large. 4 is a brick, and any missed flush draw is gonna feel like he has to bet to win, plus any tptk hand could go for thin value in that situation with how loose your range looked this session w hands you showed down.
Yeah, I've seen the same unbluffable player there again since then, so I know he's a regular. I haven't played with him since, but I won't soon forget that he'll call with anything, and take advantage of that for max value next time.
For the 94 hand, I probably would have called there vs. many other players at the table. The player in particular I was up against hadn't shown too much aggression in general, though you do make a valid point in general that's worth considering.
The first hand, you’re first to show though!! I’m always curious what someone raises with their straddle and how they play their hands :)
Hey, Connie! In the first hand where I had AQ vs. K3, the opponent had to show first because he made the last action to put me all-in. In the second hand where I accidentally straddled w/ KK, I thought my opponent was supposed to be first to show since he made the last action. However, I've talked to the floor at The Lodge since then, and when there's no action on the river (everyone checks), the player most out of position (closer to the dealer button) is supposed to show first. After learning this, I apologized to the player who I thought slow-rolled me, as I was actually mistaken about the showdown order in this hand.
I do like the longer vids as well. Your game seems decent, think you could tighten up your preflop range a little to increase your winrate, but you at least have some reasoning for why you do most of the things you do.
Feels like Texas poker you can print money at lower stakes just playing super tight and betting big with made hands, at least from the sessions I have seen there.
Glad to hear you like the longer videos, I'll try to keep them longer when I can going forward.
I definitely play too wide a range at times, though you can probably see how the implied odds when hitting is so high in this field, which makes it enticing.
I enjoy your blog since I’m a low stakes newbie. However, can you tell me the difference between being upset at being slow rolled and then turning around and “trapping “ an opponent with a pair of aces?
Hey Ed, glad you're enjoying it! Thanks for watching. The difference between bluffing/trapping and slow-rolling is that bluffing/trapping is part of the deception that goes into trying to get your opponent to put money into the pot while they're behind on the hand, while slow-rolling is getting your opponent to intentionally show a worse hand a showdown when you know you have the winning hand. There's no more action, no more money going into the pot, and no more need to deceive your opponent because of that, and intentionally slow-rolling an opponent is cruel and generally considered in poor taste.
Thanks, I get it now. I thought slow rolling was intentionally under betting or misrepresenting your hand. Rather, it’s being a jerk at showdown.
When you say in the cut off, what position is that? Or when you say +1, +2 ect.
At a standard 9-person table, the order of the seats is: BTN, SB, BB, UTG, UTG+1, UTG+2, MP, HJ, CO
BTN = button
SB = small blind
BB = big blind
UTG = under the gun
UTG+1 = under the gun +2
UTG+2 = under the gun +2
MP = middle position
HJ = hijack
CO = cutoff
I've also used LJ in some earlier videos (for "lojack"), but that really should be the person between MP & HJ at a 10-person table. I've stopped using that term in more recent videos since the game I play are 9-handed.
@@HuggiePoker thanks for the reply. I can't find the other video I commented on. I came off kinda rude. Please forgive me and disregard i was having a bad day
9- 4 hand if you planned on calling down to hit a 9 high flush in a limped pot you need to call two pair on the rivered 4 its a brick
It's definitely possible I made a bad fold there. I think vs. most players I would have called, but I just had not seen this player be very aggressive, and at the time, I didn't think the 4 improved my hand enough to beat his.
he didnt slow roll you. he was last to act and has the right to see your hand for information
Hey Raymond, I've got a comment here that addresses this: ruclips.net/video/yOEBmEhb3_I/видео.html&lc=Ugx6Vah5xoZH3IwRgGB4AaABAg
Only 50$ more u should have called with 2 pairs. He probably had a queen and a small card.
Just come to your vlog. Why does being slow rolled tilt players? Tbh it doesn't bother me but I always make a point to try to slow roll a person who does do it to me if I can. ;) 😉
It's mostly just a matter of etiquette. It's mostly frustrating when someone has the nuts and are obviously not losing, but refuse to show until they're opponent does, giving a false sense of hope. If the rules deem that a specific player should show first, then I agree with your statement, and as it turns out I was actually mistaken about the rule in this instance (as I called out in another pinned comment).
How does the guy with pocket 9s take the main pot when you have 2 pair.....
Which hand? In the 53hh hand, I only had one pair on the river. Unless you mean another hand.
Hand where guy jammed with A/K hearts and you had 3/2 of hearts.....you caught deuce on river for 2 pair. Showdown hands A/K,3/2,9/9
@@GotloLuna68 I had 53hh, not 32hh. I only had one pair on the river.
That particular bluff into 2 people. Throwing money away.
Raising a paired board with a flush.…..check bet raise reraise…. Unless you have a reason to not believe him. Believe him.
You can’t bluff a calling station. More lighting of dollars on fire.
If you are 4 bet jamming with A10 unsuited….you are lighting money on fire not raising your premiums. You created an image. Use it.
Fair points across the board. Though I do think there are enough players in the field here that would shove with less than a boat in that KTs hand. With only about $150 left to call, I need to be right only once every 5 or 6 times to break even there. I do think I acted quickly when calling though, I should probably think longer there and can maybe find a fold.
1st !
Some people just won’t fold,like me ,you can’t bluff these people
Yeah, this is definitely the stuffiest stickiest player I ran into playing here. I won't make the same mistake again.
No slow roll. your turn to show. You have better than A high. Show or mock. Don't waste time. I use headphones and can't hear what you are saying and don't show out of order. The game is for money and if I don't have to show I don't want to show.
Fan of videos and will keep watching. You can't stop me.
I have people try to soul read me all the time, tricks on you, I have no soul. I don't care if I win or lose, so you get no read on me. You have it or you don't. You can't read me because if I have the best hand, I win, if I don't I pay you and get a new hand.
Answer me this, your 94 hand. Why call the 20.00 turn bet, if you're gonna get the 4 on the river and fold? Call if the river card improves you. It did, call the 50. Or fold and save you 20. If the 4 didn't convince you, another 9 wouldn't have
What card did you hope for a joker?
Poker's a story, and at the turn we only had part of the story. I acted on the information that was available at the time. On the river, we had more insight into the story that wasn't available on the turn, and I acted on that new knowledge. Was it wrong? Maybe. I don't think it was based upon the new information I learned between the turn and river though.
@@HuggiePoker right, however what card would have to come for you to call any bet? None, then fold.
@@CowenJE It sounds like you didn't understand my last message. We didn't have the full story on the turn. I thought a 4 was possibly an out at that point. After seeing the rest of the story on the river, I came to believe that wasn't true. How could I have predicted the river action when we were only on the turn?
@@HuggiePoker That's your choice. However his actions are of no concern to me, people bluff, people lie. The question is (for me, i don't bluff) is my hand strong enough. I am not great, or even above par at times. But if I am beat, i pay them off, if not, I win. I rarely stay in with less than the top 4 possible hands. The object of poker isn't always to win, but to lose the least, and and don't leave broke.
3:10 bro how are you being slow rolled when you're first to show? he clearly just wants to see your hand which he's obligated too because you're first to show ... in my opinion doing anything but immediately turning your hand over when you're first to show is just poor etiquette especially for a reg ...
I had misunderstood the rules when this happened and actually apologized to this player since then. My understanding was that the last player to bet or raise is the first to show, but since we both checked on the river, it's actually the most out of position player who shows first, which was me in this case. I messed up here, but I reconciled with the player since I made the mistake.
Did the slow roller actually say that if you thought he had an ace you should have mucked your hand? What a pompous idiot. Next encounter make it a point to be big enough to not slow roll him thus making a bad impression on others at your table. GL
So you get mad at HIM, when you are asked to show your cards? You could have bluffed with nothing or had KK as you did. Isn't he allowed to get the same information you want from opponents?
You saying ACE is good is YOU not wanting to show. If you want the pot, show your cards when asked, if not, muck them.
Slow rolling is him seeing KK, then taking his sweet time showing that Ace. What he did was follow the rules of poker, getting all the info he is allowed to get within the rules. You were trying to keep that info to yourself (which is fine). But don't act like you were even remotely in the right.
He was the last bettor, which means he's intended to show first.
@@HuggiePoker You don't know how this rule works, this only applies if there is a better on the river. On a checked-through river, players reveal their cards in the same order as action.
You're right MalPhene. I actually discussed with the floor today to get clarity, and if there is no action on the river, then the player most out of position shows first. I saw the player I was in the hand with tonight and apologized to him since I misunderstood the rule here. I was planning to get a video out to clarify my mistake and link it in the comments here, but I haven't been able to yet since this all just happened today. Thanks for commenting.
@@HuggiePoker I actually didn't know about this rule until recently - it's a completely understandable mistake, so no worries. Good luck at the lodge!
Thank you!