Lorenz Zap Hey have you gotten into the RTS course yet? I took it a few years ago and absolutely loved it. It's definitely got my stamp of approval, and I'm looking forward to continuing with the mastery courses this year.
Geoffrey Futch I took my first one just this past weekend. CT Spine and Trunk. ABSOLUTE game changer! I've been studying biomechanics and moment arm prior to it to prepare, but it's nothing like the live course. I understand why certain sections of a given ROM in an exercise is easier and why during some machines the intended muscle does not activate (Resistance Profile). It makes sense to me now why the glutes barely fires in a leg press although the machine says it's suppose to. Now add a band to the equation and voila, quads AND glutes now activate.
Geoffrey Futch I'm definitely taking the RTSm courses. The amount of info that I was able to apply to myself and clients these past few days have been crazy! I still have 2 more modules to complete. I can't wait!
It's really an incredible experience. I haven't done the RTSm courses due to a number of life factors that got in the way. But I should finally be getting into it this year, and my friends who have gone through it tell me I'm LONG overdue :)
wow Tom Purvis is great, awesome videos! So how are we as trainers suppose to differentiate when a client has a problem that is muscular in nature and can be corrected and a problem bone/genetic related and is non correctable?
Can't believe I was envious of people who had more range of motion in farious parts of their body. Now I know it's basically just down to anatomical structural differences.
Thank you for doing this video, Tom. So despite that most of the current research indicate that posture or asymmetry does not correlate to pain, then why are some fitness certifications and massage schools (maybe even medical and PT schools) still teach this?
Tribal knowledge and the status quo are very powerful things, Nick. Even the smartest people can fall prey to the desire to do what they've always done. The postural "fixing asymmetries" perspective is a prime example of this.
Kennet Waale Absolutely. I'll share a quotation that Tom Purvis himself loves and shared with me when I went through the RTS program -- “It is historical continuity that maintains most assumptions, not repeated assessment of their validity.” --Edward de Bono Something to think about, right?
So true! Geoffrey Futch what's scary though - despite that people may or may not assess skeletal deviations and much more (hopefully looking at efficiency and ease of movement) - is that they believe that it is the cause of pain/dysfunction and how they preach this to other professionals and clients!
I'm still not entirely clear on how to best strike the balance in recognizing where giving correctives will be helpful and situations where I'm going to beat my head against a wall trying to fix an unfixable, innate structural flaw.
The bone photos are part of the research done by Yin yoga teacher Paul Grilley. They are free to use and can be found in his website. But still a mention that this is someone else's work would be nice...
Loving the videos, but as far as this video goes I would rather shoot for bringing someone to "textbook normal" and potentially help them rather than just ignore what I see because it could possibly be a different structure. I have seen too many people's posture improve over my 13 years of practice to not at least try to help.
These are really great videos. Everything in them makes sense, however when approaching someone for training you rarely have an xray that will tell you exactly what's wrong with with them. Take for instance the hip socket variance: how can you diagnose if someone is squatting incorrectly (perhaps with a staggered stance) due to hard limits in their anthropometry vs. other issues like coordination etc.?
It's reason to never design or force an exercise that exceeds their ACTIVE range of motion. The primary purpose of this video, however, is not to show trainers why they must know what's going on beneath the skin -- it's to help trainers STOP trying to impose range, STOP trying to "fix" things they really don't know, and to not assume everyone has to follow the same exercise rules. Come to a class!
If I have external tibial torsion (and the feet that turns outwards less overpronates much more) can that be corrected? If so, how? And how should Ido leg exercises, since it is often recommended that the feet and knees are in alignment?
Is this a serious question? Did you really just watch this 13-minute video (PACKED with reasons why "corrective" exercise is a misleading myth & problem), and then ask for corrective exercises? Did you even watch it at all??
Hello I was wondering you think if the overhead squat assessment is useless? I personally find it useful and I know that not everybody posture or mechanics but I dont feel like it should just be thrown out. What are you opinions about it and autogenic inhibition?
What about fascia that surrounds the bones? And associative memory? Don't those two also have an affect on a person's posture? May we see your static posture, biomechanics, and possibly a gait cycle as well so we can identify what "imbalances" or "bad" bone structure you might have besides just showing us pictures of skeletons?
Of course those things come into play! ...but to think posture is ONLY related to muscle imbalances or fascia without recognition of structural and biomechanical realities beneath the skin, many trainers are sometimes attempting to "fix" things they can not, and often are imposing their own postural biases upon people that have their own rules, their own tolerances. Exercise, including "postural" exercises are client-defined, and not subject to standardization. And of course, we want to make sure someone has muscular control over the structure they do have, not just impose ranges and make assumptions, without regard for the underlying structures. A static postural assessment is pretty general, but many trainers attempt some very specific things to alter it... And sometimes pretty aggressively. It can be a large mistake to make such specific prescriptions based on general information. I you can't see what's causing a perceived limitation, your "corrective" intervention may not fit. It might make some "problems" worse. It might even violate the individual's anatomy. Thanks for the comment. Please stay tuned, as we have more videos coming - One video alone, taken as our all-inclusive view can be misleading. For now, please explore the points made here and keep your mind open to see new things. Afterall, learning is about expanding perspective and asking questions, not just seeking confirmation of what we already believe!
Someone please send this video to Kelly Starrett, his brand of BS "I'll just invent a whole bunch of words that no one understands to sound smarter than you" is getting tired!
OH MY GOSH!!! I'm LEARNING FOR REAL HERE... i'm a certified personal trainer and i've never learned this much about mechanics. THANK YOU!!!!
This is some of the best informational content on anatomy I've ever seen, I wish I saw this video years ago
Tom Purvis is the man! I can't wait to take my first RTS course this April.
Lorenz Zap Hey have you gotten into the RTS course yet? I took it a few years ago and absolutely loved it. It's definitely got my stamp of approval, and I'm looking forward to continuing with the mastery courses this year.
Geoffrey Futch I took my first one just this past weekend. CT Spine and Trunk. ABSOLUTE game changer! I've been studying biomechanics and moment arm prior to it to prepare, but it's nothing like the live course. I understand why certain sections of a given ROM in an exercise is easier and why during some machines the intended muscle does not activate (Resistance Profile). It makes sense to me now why the glutes barely fires in a leg press although the machine says it's suppose to. Now add a band to the equation and voila, quads AND glutes now activate.
Geoffrey Futch I'm definitely taking the RTSm courses. The amount of info that I was able to apply to myself and clients these past few days have been crazy! I still have 2 more modules to complete. I can't wait!
It's really an incredible experience. I haven't done the RTSm courses due to a number of life factors that got in the way. But I should finally be getting into it this year, and my friends who have gone through it tell me I'm LONG overdue :)
Burst out laughing at the 'superhero mode' part. Awesome videos.
Great video. We need more information like this out there.
Finally, someone is speaking the truth. Thanks Tom!
wow Tom Purvis is great, awesome videos! So how are we as trainers suppose to differentiate when a client has a problem that is muscular in nature and can be corrected and a problem bone/genetic related and is non correctable?
Can't believe I was envious of people who had more range of motion in farious parts of their body. Now I know it's basically just down to anatomical structural differences.
god damn i laughed so hard at your examples at 1:38
So very interesting and helpful, thank you!
"Posture is a choice" 🤯🤯🤯
blew my mind too...
Thank you for doing this video, Tom. So despite that most of the current research indicate that posture or asymmetry does not correlate to pain, then why are some fitness certifications and massage schools (maybe even medical and PT schools) still teach this?
Ask them
Tribal knowledge and the status quo are very powerful things, Nick. Even the smartest people can fall prey to the desire to do what they've always done. The postural "fixing asymmetries" perspective is a prime example of this.
Geoffrey Futch Great video Tom!
That's so true Geoff! Tribal empathy and belonging goes a very long way in promoting knowledge - correct or not :)
Kennet Waale Absolutely. I'll share a quotation that Tom Purvis himself loves and shared with me when I went through the RTS program --
“It is historical continuity that maintains most assumptions, not repeated assessment of their validity.”
--Edward de Bono
Something to think about, right?
So true! Geoffrey Futch what's scary though - despite that people may or may not assess skeletal deviations and much more (hopefully looking at efficiency and ease of movement) - is that they believe that it is the cause of pain/dysfunction and how they preach this to other professionals and clients!
Just Amazing!!! He should have his own TV show
I'm still not entirely clear on how to best strike the balance in recognizing where giving correctives will be helpful and situations where I'm going to beat my head against a wall trying to fix an unfixable, innate structural flaw.
im just glad you know something about weightlifting. whats your SQ/B/DL ?
The bone photos are part of the research done by Yin yoga teacher Paul Grilley. They are free to use and can be found in his website. But still a mention that this is someone else's work would be nice...
if there's is torsion on the tibia (7:33) how would the issue be addressed to have foot point forward
Loving the videos, but as far as this video goes I would rather shoot for bringing someone to "textbook normal" and potentially help them rather than just ignore what I see because it could possibly be a different structure. I have seen too many people's posture improve over my 13 years of practice to not at least try to help.
Thanks for this!
These are really great videos. Everything in them makes sense, however when approaching someone for training you rarely have an xray that will tell you exactly what's wrong with with them. Take for instance the hip socket variance: how can you diagnose if someone is squatting incorrectly (perhaps with a staggered stance) due to hard limits in their anthropometry vs. other issues like coordination etc.?
It's reason to never design or force an exercise that exceeds their ACTIVE range of motion.
The primary purpose of this video, however, is not to show trainers why they must know what's going on beneath the skin -- it's to help trainers STOP trying to impose range, STOP trying to "fix" things they really don't know, and to not assume everyone has to follow the same exercise rules.
Come to a class!
Function follows form!
"Nothing is stopping you except for reality." Lol, yessss.
If I have external tibial torsion (and the feet that turns outwards less overpronates much more) can that be corrected? If so, how? And how should Ido leg exercises, since it is often recommended that the feet and knees are in alignment?
Awesome! Any videos on corrections
Is this a serious question?
Did you really just watch this 13-minute video (PACKED with reasons why "corrective" exercise is a misleading myth & problem), and then ask for corrective exercises?
Did you even watch it at all??
No. It wasnt. :) geez cmon Tom. Great video.
for a second there, I thought you were the dead guy they named the beer after
Well I actually am :) wasn't for me there would be no United States lol
Hello I was wondering you think if the overhead squat assessment is useless? I personally find it useful and I know that not everybody posture or mechanics but I dont feel like it should just be thrown out. What are you opinions about it and autogenic inhibition?
or would it be allowed to simply stay pointing to 3o'clock
I heard overhead pressing with a load should be avoided do you agree? tHANK YOU.
What about fascia that surrounds the bones? And associative memory? Don't those two also have an affect on a person's posture? May we see your static posture, biomechanics, and possibly a gait cycle as well so we can identify what "imbalances" or "bad" bone structure you might have besides just showing us pictures of skeletons?
Of course those things come into play!
...but to think posture is ONLY related to muscle imbalances or fascia without recognition of structural and biomechanical realities beneath the skin, many trainers are sometimes attempting to "fix" things they can not, and often are imposing their own postural biases upon people that have their own rules, their own tolerances.
Exercise, including "postural" exercises are client-defined, and not subject to standardization.
And of course, we want to make sure someone has muscular control over the structure they do have, not just impose ranges and make assumptions, without regard for the underlying structures.
A static postural assessment is pretty general, but many trainers attempt some very specific things to alter it... And sometimes pretty aggressively.
It can be a large mistake to make such specific prescriptions based on general information.
I you can't see what's causing a perceived limitation, your "corrective" intervention may not fit. It might make some "problems" worse.
It might even violate the individual's anatomy.
Thanks for the comment. Please stay tuned, as we have more videos coming -
One video alone, taken as our all-inclusive view can be misleading. For now, please explore the points made here and keep your mind open to see new things. Afterall, learning is about expanding perspective and asking questions, not just seeking confirmation of what we already believe!
Quickly becoming my favoQrite fitness page on youtube. :)
Wonderful
Brilliant
Your shoulder example, how is that the same as strengthening the deep muscles of the back that help with stability when you stand upright.
Can you please clarify your question?
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Great info. Sorry that you are so aggravated with teachers lacking knowledge and being informed incorrectly.
What about myofascial?
Feel like finishing your question?
Who is he?
The person in the video is Tom Purvis, trainer to the trainers.
www.tompurvis.com
Someone please send this video to Kelly Starrett, his brand of BS "I'll just invent a whole bunch of words that no one understands to sound smarter than you" is getting tired!
EXACTLY !!! Functional screens ?! OH PLEASE !!!
This guy exposes all the bullshit in the fitness industry.
I didn't get anything useful form this video. All he is doing is showing off!