is there difference between the PE foam (the white one) and IXPE foam (the black one)? the white one is the most common for DIY. sorry can't see any reviews regarding with that two material foams. Are the 2 material the same?
I've modded my keeb already but I haven't swapped out the stock switches just yet. I wanted to get a thockier sound off my keeb so I'm wondering what switch would be nice to get even the slightest better thock? (My options are from akko just because of the accessibility from my location, so I hope you can recommend a switch from akko considering the amount of switches they've brought out) Thank you☺
I love these comparisons, especially if the outcome is this surprising. For easier comparison please keep the relevant information on the screen so we can skip between the different setups easier without having to go to the beginning of the setup to read, then skip further towards typing test etc. just cumbersome to do this. Chapters would also be appreciated. And with as surprising outcomes as this, a little comment to show you haven't accidentally switched up the video material would also be appreciated, just to clarify any doubt viewers might have.
I had an Akko Mod 005 with almost zero flex, and with its fr4 plate the akko creamy yellow sounds too loud to my taste. Foam gasket tape and dual stack poron gasket at low solved both.
The 0 flex is kinda a design flaw for the mod005 as it really doesnt have enough room to flex downward and the FR4 is a considerably stiff plate. I got a PC and POM plate made for me and its a lot flexier and also fixed a little bit of the sound issue. Its acoustic and internal design is a whole other issue but for a first try its not a bad board.
Was that with ABS or PBT keycaps? It's definitely interesting that it has that marbly/creamly PE sound even without the PE foam. The solid PCB really changes the sound... the reviewers that got flex cut PCBs, the sound was really thin and muted. The nonflex 1.6mm PCB sounds so much better. And with leaf spring mount, it's probably still not a harsh bottom out. I do like when a board starts with a nice clean tone to start... it allows you to shape the sound to your PREFERENCE with foams. I still don't like those elitists saying that you shouldn't add anything to an expensive keyboard. I do think that the best boards have a good sound in any config.
I mean i do think that you shouldnt completely kill off the sound of an expensive board with loads and loads of foam, as expensive boards usually has good sound without any dampening, its more of a guideline to say try all config before you stuff your board with foam i think. The old school slightly hollow airy sound is something that i do feel is less harsh than foamy PE. The pe foam signature is very satisfying but also slightly tiring imo. And if you like a deeper sound, most types of dampening foam does the reverse of that. And you do kinda want to hear all factors that goes into a board, not just the switches, plate, pcb and foam. But 1 layer of case or pcb foam shouldnt kill the uniqueness at all. In terms of flexcut, its definitely something that should be more thought out because a lot of board do sound thin before taping off flex cuts and even then they still feel relatively bouncy.
@@kaeroseon Everyone has different tastes and needs. As long as the person is happy and likes it, go for it, it's their money, it's their business. For example, I often work midnight to dawn, so I will dampen all sound as much as possible no matter how expensive the keyboard and keycaps are. I don't care about thocky, poppy, marbly, yada yada sounds. Some people said I shouldn't have removed the "mechanical" sound. I'm sure they would change their minds if they worked at 2AM. 🤣
@@yanouzzzzqk series, zoom series, mykeyclub has some good affordable boards, tofu series, kbd65, keychron q series, akko boards, freebird series and then some chinese options that are sold on mechkeys and epomaker as well, notably the ajazz ac067, skyloong gk75 and theres even more that i dont remember
You're an innovative person, hope you'll like this idea.... Many gasket mounted kbs has zero flex, I have a solution! Just do the force break mod with a thick foam gasket tape, this will create more space for flex. And...apply both gaskets at low in stacks! It will change the feel and sound entirely!
this idea has probably been done before but I feel like it would change the looks of a board too much and the sound change is mostly gonna be the PCB and plate being isolated. Also the part about many gasket keyboard has zero flex, most of them arent supposed to be a trampoline. They are supposed to be just enough to soften the bottom out, usually not enough to actually have more than 1mm of movement with just your fingers. And, most keyboard do have flex, just the ones on the lower end of the price range tend to have less flex because they have to worry about sound and external design more than flex. Forcing too much flex can be an issue. Its an interesting idea for sure, but something that would potentially make more sense is maybe custom acrylic pieces to increase the internal gap just enough for there to be more room without compromising too much on looks and sound, as you would still get some natural characteristics of the board. And on some board, it would allow for some side glow as well.
The foam dampens some of the frequencies in the stroke. I'd say without the foam, it sounds a little livelier and playful, whereas with foam, it's not as fatiguing over longer sessions. If you like the sound, no foam is pretty neat. If you want a milder, less peaky profile, foam it.
Surprisingly how creamy sound it is even without PE foam. I will kinda lean toward without PE foam even though Jelly is pioneer in PE foam keyboard. PE foam on Evolv kinda kill the resonance. Its completely up to peoples who want cleaner, more compressed sound or original sound without any modification.
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Also known as PCB foam, its between the pcb and plate. However, since the introduction of the PE foam layer, the thin sheet of foam under the switches thats usually paper thin is now called PCB foam. Case foam is also sometimes called PCB foam by newer hobbyists.
@@I3ohdan It is very confusing because it started off as dampening foam/material, then evolved into foam cut specifically for certain parts. But these foam types have names relative to parts of the keyboard and some people may relate it to the parts above, some relate it to the parts below, some mix and match and over the years it has become a jumbled mess. I do think the standard and most popular is plate foam between plate and pcb, pcb foam is PE foam mod style foam sheets that goes under the switches and case foam is under the pcb.
Fucking christ is the custom keyboard shit hard to get into Every good looking keyboard - regardless of price - that i want or see is always sold out with no intentions of making again or w/e. How do these companies make money if they spend the r&d doing one run and then move on to the next? And what about people getting into it, this Jelly Evolv looks the best to me so far, but i cant get it anymore so fuck me i guess? Same with keycaps and shit? Its so bloody annoying like i may as well get a mainstream prebuilt because otherwise im getting something i dont even want Ive been browsing for like the last two days and everything just looks the same, most of it just looks like basic office keyboards especially a lot of keys and colour schemes belong in a 90s cream coloured pc setup. I dont want no gamer cringe, but wheres the nice aesthetic design like this kind of keyboard... Sorry to vent but i saw this video and its YET AGAIN another "wow this keyboard looks good, this is the one ill use as the base" and its not possible to get
Ironically sounds better without the PE foam. I think with some long pole switches this board would sounds insane. I always pined after the epoch but it was released just before I got into the hobby (and you know... resale prices 😒) and it's hard to come to terms with it but honestly with the quality you can get with sub-200$ boards I can't justify a 400$+ one, no matter how good it ends up being.
Price is subjective tho, for me personally...750$ is my tolerance in this hobby, board priced above that is a No...at least while I can keep my sanity, I have some boards with 400 or 600 bucks and some of them is that lovely in terms of sound and feel. But yes spend that much on keyboards is ridiculous, but mechanical keyboard as a hobby is already a tertiary needs to begin with, I mean, if you talk about hobby, you can't really use economic value to rationalize the money you spend, lots of other hobbies are insane, automotive, car custom modification is easy example, at least in my country lots of people do custom their car, there're lots of car/bike communities here, there lots of people who sell their custom parts, etc. If you see keyboard as a device for typing or getting your job done, of course spending even more than 50 bucks is a lot, but if you see it as a hobby, then it's limitless
Even if they tried to design the keyboard so that it still sounds good without any PE foam, it still sounds so damn underwhelming on its own. Something completely different from some of their QK series. What a shame hoenstly.
I mean sound is subjective. Like, unless its pingy, rattly or super harsh, it should still classify as a nice sound. And soundtests doesnt do many boards justice in terms of sound as you never know if certain switches sounds better and there are too many variables in play.
@@HITMAN80gif youre talking about a hollow board, sure, some may like it. Depends on the pinginess as well. Like the IBM old school crowd loves spring ping, and a certain amount of metal hollowness combined with drier switch can sound nice for a bit. Not for most people though i dont think. I think Andy V Nguyen might have made this old school sound more popular than it used to be. But you still got tons of PE foam based builds out there.
crazy how the non-pe foam sounds more like pe foam than the pe foam
Ikr, the second one sounds way more foamy. I wonder if they’re switched on accident?
@@keagan5379 I thought the same thing
@@keagan5379 good point lol, but you can tell on the first one, that it's like slightly more muted by the foam.
It sounds beautiful both ways. However, I like the second one better. For me, it sounds deeper.
i'm so glad it sounds deeper without pe foam. high pitched configuration is fun for a while but prolong exposure would drive me insane lol
I like the quick to the point videos! You have the best knowledge of keyboards on RUclips
That keyboard looks beautiful
That is a slick looking keyboard. I love the look.
completely foamless next?
Are we going to get a full review of this board?
is there difference between the PE foam (the white one) and IXPE foam (the black one)? the white one is the most common for DIY. sorry can't see any reviews regarding with that two material foams. Are the 2 material the same?
@keybored did you accidentally switch the text on the sound tests? the second one sounds a lot more PE foamy
I've modded my keeb already but I haven't swapped out the stock switches just yet. I wanted to get a thockier sound off my keeb so I'm wondering what switch would be nice to get even the slightest better thock? (My options are from akko just because of the accessibility from my location, so I hope you can recommend a switch from akko considering the amount of switches they've brought out) Thank you☺
I love these comparisons, especially if the outcome is this surprising.
For easier comparison please keep the relevant information on the screen so we can skip between the different setups easier without having to go to the beginning of the setup to read, then skip further towards typing test etc. just cumbersome to do this.
Chapters would also be appreciated.
And with as surprising outcomes as this, a little comment to show you haven't accidentally switched up the video material would also be appreciated, just to clarify any doubt viewers might have.
Would u think broken in mx blacks would do well foamless?
What keycaps are those? 😅
Are the soundtest labels switched? The second sounds more foamy than the first imo
Full review soon?
Are you sure you didn't get the 2 clips reversed?? Without sounds deeper. I'm sooo confused
yeah right
wait, i actually like the sound more w/o pe foam :0 i heavily regret passing on this ;-;
Does the kit include cable?
I had an Akko Mod 005 with almost zero flex, and with its fr4 plate the akko creamy yellow sounds too loud to my taste. Foam gasket tape and dual stack poron gasket at low solved both.
The 0 flex is kinda a design flaw for the mod005 as it really doesnt have enough room to flex downward and the FR4 is a considerably stiff plate. I got a PC and POM plate made for me and its a lot flexier and also fixed a little bit of the sound issue. Its acoustic and internal design is a whole other issue but for a first try its not a bad board.
Is this a qualified Owlab product? Unlike the Link65 but more like a Spring or Mr Suit which bring us surprise
Was that with ABS or PBT keycaps? It's definitely interesting that it has that marbly/creamly PE sound even without the PE foam.
The solid PCB really changes the sound... the reviewers that got flex cut PCBs, the sound was really thin and muted. The nonflex 1.6mm PCB sounds so much better.
And with leaf spring mount, it's probably still not a harsh bottom out.
I do like when a board starts with a nice clean tone to start... it allows you to shape the sound to your PREFERENCE with foams. I still don't like those elitists saying that you shouldn't add anything to an expensive keyboard. I do think that the best boards have a good sound in any config.
I mean i do think that you shouldnt completely kill off the sound of an expensive board with loads and loads of foam, as expensive boards usually has good sound without any dampening, its more of a guideline to say try all config before you stuff your board with foam i think. The old school slightly hollow airy sound is something that i do feel is less harsh than foamy PE. The pe foam signature is very satisfying but also slightly tiring imo. And if you like a deeper sound, most types of dampening foam does the reverse of that. And you do kinda want to hear all factors that goes into a board, not just the switches, plate, pcb and foam. But 1 layer of case or pcb foam shouldnt kill the uniqueness at all. In terms of flexcut, its definitely something that should be more thought out because a lot of board do sound thin before taping off flex cuts and even then they still feel relatively bouncy.
@@kaeroseon Everyone has different tastes and needs. As long as the person is happy and likes it, go for it, it's their money, it's their business.
For example, I often work midnight to dawn, so I will dampen all sound as much as possible no matter how expensive the keyboard and keycaps are.
I don't care about thocky, poppy, marbly, yada yada sounds. Some people said I shouldn't have removed the "mechanical" sound. I'm sure they would change their minds if they worked at 2AM. 🤣
Not sure if it’s the switches or the case but alphas sound hollow and pingy to me
What mousepad is that?
to me it's insane that other keyboards can sound as good for half the price point or less - i'm acutally ok not having this
You buy this board for the looks mainly. And unique dual blocker layout
which board(s) do you refer to ?
@@yanouzzzz wdym? I said this board, but almost all expensive keyboards are bought because of looks..
@@YatamaProductions sorry I meant "to which affordable board do you refer?" I'm pretty new in the hobby and I would like exemples plz
@@yanouzzzzqk series, zoom series, mykeyclub has some good affordable boards, tofu series, kbd65, keychron q series, akko boards, freebird series and then some chinese options that are sold on mechkeys and epomaker as well, notably the ajazz ac067, skyloong gk75 and theres even more that i dont remember
This keyboard look sooo cool!
may i know wts ur wrist rest?
Love the nostalgia but I am going to stick with my qk75 :)
1.6mm non-flex cut pcb with no foam on the Jelly Evolv is the way to go
lets get a no foam at all sound test
You're an innovative person, hope you'll like this idea....
Many gasket mounted kbs has zero flex, I have a solution! Just do the force break mod with a thick foam gasket tape, this will create more space for flex. And...apply both gaskets at low in stacks! It will change the feel and sound entirely!
this idea has probably been done before but I feel like it would change the looks of a board too much and the sound change is mostly gonna be the PCB and plate being isolated. Also the part about many gasket keyboard has zero flex, most of them arent supposed to be a trampoline. They are supposed to be just enough to soften the bottom out, usually not enough to actually have more than 1mm of movement with just your fingers. And, most keyboard do have flex, just the ones on the lower end of the price range tend to have less flex because they have to worry about sound and external design more than flex. Forcing too much flex can be an issue. Its an interesting idea for sure, but something that would potentially make more sense is maybe custom acrylic pieces to increase the internal gap just enough for there to be more room without compromising too much on looks and sound, as you would still get some natural characteristics of the board. And on some board, it would allow for some side glow as well.
Can you make a thocky RK M75? 🥺
Month and a half. Please comeback soon.
The foam dampens some of the frequencies in the stroke. I'd say without the foam, it sounds a little livelier and playful, whereas with foam, it's not as fatiguing over longer sessions. If you like the sound, no foam is pretty neat. If you want a milder, less peaky profile, foam it.
Super loud keys lol
You sell your jelly evolv red plz ?
Surprisingly how creamy sound it is even without PE foam. I will kinda lean toward without PE foam even though Jelly is pioneer in PE foam keyboard. PE foam on Evolv kinda kill the resonance.
Its completely up to peoples who want cleaner, more compressed sound or original sound without any modification.
as he stated in his thock vs clack video everything is to be expected. no foam = more thock
An upload on my birthday :D
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This board is $10,539 where I live, the most expensive custom keyboard i have ever seen
Damn the evolv was sold 2 days ago and this man already made a whole ass video on it
One question: what is a "plate foam" - I mean, where exactly it is located?
Between the public and plate
Also known as PCB foam, its between the pcb and plate. However, since the introduction of the PE foam layer, the thin sheet of foam under the switches thats usually paper thin is now called PCB foam. Case foam is also sometimes called PCB foam by newer hobbyists.
@@kaeroseon wow, seems like there is a lot of confusion in this )
thanks for the explanation
@@I3ohdan It is very confusing because it started off as dampening foam/material, then evolved into foam cut specifically for certain parts. But these foam types have names relative to parts of the keyboard and some people may relate it to the parts above, some relate it to the parts below, some mix and match and over the years it has become a jumbled mess. I do think the standard and most popular is plate foam between plate and pcb, pcb foam is PE foam mod style foam sheets that goes under the switches and case foam is under the pcb.
Personally I’m bored of foams, recently I more enjoy no foam and even plateless builds
The latter has more depth
Tasty
Whoa.. it’s actually BETTER without it now 👀🔥
This or haven tkl
that's a nice satisfying pop, me wants a 65% version.
Link65?
@@marounboumelhem3984 You're actually right, my bad.
❎Jelly EVOLV
✅Jelly LUOLU
Fucking christ is the custom keyboard shit hard to get into
Every good looking keyboard - regardless of price - that i want or see is always sold out with no intentions of making again or w/e. How do these companies make money if they spend the r&d doing one run and then move on to the next? And what about people getting into it, this Jelly Evolv looks the best to me so far, but i cant get it anymore so fuck me i guess? Same with keycaps and shit?
Its so bloody annoying like i may as well get a mainstream prebuilt because otherwise im getting something i dont even want
Ive been browsing for like the last two days and everything just looks the same, most of it just looks like basic office keyboards especially a lot of keys and colour schemes belong in a 90s cream coloured pc setup. I dont want no gamer cringe, but wheres the nice aesthetic design like this kind of keyboard...
Sorry to vent but i saw this video and its YET AGAIN another "wow this keyboard looks good, this is the one ill use as the base" and its not possible to get
It’s weird how the pe foam made it sounds like it doesn’t have foam
same here
Urge to buy yet another 75% rising...
I see Keybored, I click. :D
Is it... another video that is wrongly uploaded and is not complete?
?
Nope, it's definitely complete. This one's just a soundtest with and without foam, not a full review
Ironically sounds better without the PE foam. I think with some long pole switches this board would sounds insane.
I always pined after the epoch but it was released just before I got into the hobby (and you know... resale prices 😒) and it's hard to come to terms with it but honestly with the quality you can get with sub-200$ boards I can't justify a 400$+ one, no matter how good it ends up being.
SOTCs are long pole are they not?
@@CatchiestWorm12 not actually familiar with that switch, it just sounded fairly weak to me so I assumed they weren't
@@SeraphimKnight I believe they are but I'm not 100% certain
@@CatchiestWorm12yes they are
Price is subjective tho, for me personally...750$ is my tolerance in this hobby, board priced above that is a No...at least while I can keep my sanity, I have some boards with 400 or 600 bucks and some of them is that lovely in terms of sound and feel. But yes spend that much on keyboards is ridiculous, but mechanical keyboard as a hobby is already a tertiary needs to begin with, I mean, if you talk about hobby, you can't really use economic value to rationalize the money you spend, lots of other hobbies are insane, automotive, car custom modification is easy example, at least in my country lots of people do custom their car, there're lots of car/bike communities here, there lots of people who sell their custom parts, etc.
If you see keyboard as a device for typing or getting your job done, of course spending even more than 50 bucks is a lot, but if you see it as a hobby, then it's limitless
Even if they tried to design the keyboard so that it still sounds good without any PE foam, it still sounds so damn underwhelming on its own. Something completely different from some of their QK series. What a shame hoenstly.
i think what they offering here is a next level engineering with luxurious touch with it, as sound profile may be vary to everyone liking
I mean sound is subjective. Like, unless its pingy, rattly or super harsh, it should still classify as a nice sound. And soundtests doesnt do many boards justice in terms of sound as you never know if certain switches sounds better and there are too many variables in play.
@@kaeroseon i thought the community nowaday loves pingy keyboard, slaps super scratchy cherry hg on it and call it "resonant" or "classic"
@@HITMAN80gif youre talking about a hollow board, sure, some may like it. Depends on the pinginess as well. Like the IBM old school crowd loves spring ping, and a certain amount of metal hollowness combined with drier switch can sound nice for a bit. Not for most people though i dont think. I think Andy V Nguyen might have made this old school sound more popular than it used to be. But you still got tons of PE foam based builds out there.
ugh, not interested at all, didn't evolve at all