I'd personally always have a tank with at least either some live rock in the sump or some well matured bio media. While liverock can introduce pests, so can corals and other things people put in tanks. I feel like the lack of biodiversity on dry rock is the big driving force as to why we are seeing more tanks with Dinoflagellates, which are arguably one of the more trickier pests to get rid of. All have their pros and cons but definitely great to get some form of matured biodiversity in. Thanks for the vid :)
Thanks for this comment. Totally agree with you regarding the benefits of at least some live rock. Ryan over at BRS did some great studies with how to biome cycle your tank and live rock combined with live sand was certainly one of the best... if not the best... I can't remember anymore! What are your thoughts regarding live rock for a true beginner. Do you think it is worth the expense and possible downsides? Obviously we can't include it in a kit, but would you recommend beginners to buy some live rock?
@@HelloReefI would absolutely NOT recommend fake rock, what you call dry rock, for beginners because the best way to be successful in the hobby is to start with the best products, techniques and livestock: starting with what’s the cheapest or easiest only leads to long term troubles and hobbyists leaving the hobby. It’s much harder to solve problems than to prevent or limit them in the hobby The only reason dry rock or fake rock even exists is because companies want to make money in an era where real rock is more expensive and harder to get. It’s all about their profits and not the hobby.
Sounds like you have had dinos recently! That's never fun! I have personally built about 10 tanks using CaribSea Life Rock and not had dinos once. For any beginners out there, dinos, short for dinoflagellates, are this snotty looking brown protist that not only looks bad, but is unhealthy for your fish and clean up crew if they eat it. But rest assured, dry rock does not lead to dinos... There are many factors in why tanks get dinos, and I have never gotten dinos using CaribSea Life Rock. -Matthew
My current tank is 5 years old and close to pristine pest free, nuisance algae free. I would LOVE to start a tank with only the nitty gritty live gulf rock, live sand, everything. As a science experiment type of tank and see what critters show up at night lol.
Couldn’t agree more. Been using Caribsea life rock for years now on multiple tanks and I’ve never had Dino or other outbreaks. If you have patience and use a number of different bacteria additives you’ll be fine most likely. Obviously there are always exceptions to the rule. Haven’t used live rock in probably 10 years.
1st was live rock hreat tank. Failed due to real live issues. Every reset of tank dry rock had terrible algea issues. My current reset bought all new live rock tank has no issues with the uglies. Dry rock is the worse.
@82thegonz not going to mention brands for live rock? Does not help your case when when you mention to use live rock, but fail to back it up with what brands to use. As a beginner looking into saltwater. Your comment with many others failing to mention critical information is not helping.
💯. Many of these videos just offer opinions that benefit the products they sale and not what’s best for the hobby. I’ve set up numerous tanks over 30 years and so I’ve been a hobbyist when live rock, sand and animals were readily available in stores and to ship before harvesting regulations and currently. Hands down, fake, dry rock sucks and every time I’ve used it, it was simply a nuisance algae magnet.
@HelloReef Real Live rock. No matter the price. It will save you many many headaches. The bottled bacteria is not enough. It might cycle the tank but it's not the right bacteria to keep coral.
@billssaltwaterheaven what live rock brands? You mentioned using live rock but are not mentioning what live rock. Does not help a beginner like me looking into venturing into the saltwater hobby. If your going to recommend something then back your comment up with what you recommend. Thank you
Matt dry rock sucks don’t point the beginners in the wrong direction. Just because you can do it doesn’t mean someone with no experience is going to have the same results. No tank is the same! Live rock already contains biological filtration, sponges, copepods, oysters clams feather dusters, bristle stars list is endless. I’m pretty sure ones superior and going to show better results in the long run and cause less headaches.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. While I understand all of the benefits of live rock, I'm not sure it's right for a beginner in a small tank especially. You can't deny that having all of the diverse flora and fauna is a good thing, but it is also expensive and can bring unwanted pests into a tank. In larger tanks those pests can be managed with various CuC members, but in a smaller tank a lot of those members wouldn't work. And beginners just don't have the knowledge base to know what they are seeing, diagnose the pest, and how to get rid of it. But I've been proven wrong before, and I'm sure it will happen again! :-) -Matthew
@@HelloReef you are definitely right about chance of introducing pest into a system. They are fairly easy to deal with even in a nano setting but most beginners aren’t going to know how to tackle the situation or take the time to research themselves. I have a 20 IM all live rock not a single pest with 3+ year old rock. Dry rock in the end is 100% cleaner but I know new hobbyist want the kickstart n don’t want to wait months for rock to cycle and potentially algae outbreaks.
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I'd personally always have a tank with at least either some live rock in the sump or some well matured bio media. While liverock can introduce pests, so can corals and other things people put in tanks. I feel like the lack of biodiversity on dry rock is the big driving force as to why we are seeing more tanks with Dinoflagellates, which are arguably one of the more trickier pests to get rid of. All have their pros and cons but definitely great to get some form of matured biodiversity in. Thanks for the vid :)
Thanks for this comment. Totally agree with you regarding the benefits of at least some live rock. Ryan over at BRS did some great studies with how to biome cycle your tank and live rock combined with live sand was certainly one of the best... if not the best... I can't remember anymore! What are your thoughts regarding live rock for a true beginner. Do you think it is worth the expense and possible downsides? Obviously we can't include it in a kit, but would you recommend beginners to buy some live rock?
@@HelloReefI would absolutely NOT recommend fake rock, what you call dry rock, for beginners because the best way to be successful in the hobby is to start with the best products, techniques and livestock: starting with what’s the cheapest or easiest only leads to long term troubles and hobbyists leaving the hobby. It’s much harder to solve problems than to prevent or limit them in the hobby
The only reason dry rock or fake rock even exists is because companies want to make money in an era where real rock is more expensive and harder to get. It’s all about their profits and not the hobby.
Always look forward to new videos! 👍🏼
:-). We look forward to making new vids too!
Are you done with the brs videos or are you splitting time? Of course I will watch no matter what.
Use dead rock and get Dino’s. It’s pretty simple.
Sounds like you have had dinos recently! That's never fun! I have personally built about 10 tanks using CaribSea Life Rock and not had dinos once. For any beginners out there, dinos, short for dinoflagellates, are this snotty looking brown protist that not only looks bad, but is unhealthy for your fish and clean up crew if they eat it. But rest assured, dry rock does not lead to dinos... There are many factors in why tanks get dinos, and I have never gotten dinos using CaribSea Life Rock. -Matthew
My current tank is 5 years old and close to pristine pest free, nuisance algae free. I would LOVE to start a tank with only the nitty gritty live gulf rock, live sand, everything. As a science experiment type of tank and see what critters show up at night lol.
I totally agree! I've heard such amazing things, and I've just never tried it myself.
Couldn’t agree more. Been using Caribsea life rock for years now on multiple tanks and I’ve never had Dino or other outbreaks. If you have patience and use a number of different bacteria additives you’ll be fine most likely. Obviously there are always exceptions to the rule. Haven’t used live rock in probably 10 years.
Good to hear. We've used both and they are both great, but CaribSea just works well for this tank... especially for beginners!
1st was live rock hreat tank. Failed due to real live issues. Every reset of tank dry rock had terrible algea issues. My current reset bought all new live rock tank has no issues with the uglies. Dry rock is the worse.
Where do you get your live rock from? How big is the tank?
@jacobside2656 no input? You said you had a tank fail from dry rock but your not going to mention what live rock your using?
Use live rock, js. These videos push products of course. I still love brs, no matter, its just live rock will always be better.
Understood. What company do you use for live rock?
@82thegonz not going to mention brands for live rock? Does not help your case when when you mention to use live rock, but fail to back it up with what brands to use. As a beginner looking into saltwater. Your comment with many others failing to mention critical information is not helping.
💯. Many of these videos just offer opinions that benefit the products they sale and not what’s best for the hobby. I’ve set up numerous tanks over 30 years and so I’ve been a hobbyist when live rock, sand and animals were readily available in stores and to ship before harvesting regulations and currently. Hands down, fake, dry rock sucks and every time I’ve used it, it was simply a nuisance algae magnet.
Tampa Bay Saltwater; quality rock
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Use Caribsea! Please, they are paying me to say this!
Haha! Incorrect though. We just love CaribSea! What would be your choice for this kit?
@HelloReef Real Live rock. No matter the price. It will save you many many headaches. The bottled bacteria is not enough. It might cycle the tank but it's not the right bacteria to keep coral.
Roger that. Thanks for taking the time to respond. 😀
@billssaltwaterheaven what live rock brands? You mentioned using live rock but are not mentioning what live rock. Does not help a beginner like me looking into venturing into the saltwater hobby. If your going to recommend something then back your comment up with what you recommend. Thank you
@gsxrfire8310 There are no "brands" real live rock comes from the ocean. Google it and see who sells it.
World Wild Coral are using live rocks and suggesting to use to avoid ugly stages.
I do too. At least 25 pounds per 60 gallon.
Live rock is awesome! No doubt about it! Just think it might be a bit too much for a true beginner... what do you think?
Matt dry rock sucks don’t point the beginners in the wrong direction. Just because you can do it doesn’t mean someone with no experience is going to have the same results. No tank is the same! Live rock already contains biological filtration, sponges, copepods, oysters clams feather dusters, bristle stars list is endless. I’m pretty sure ones superior and going to show better results in the long run and cause less headaches.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. While I understand all of the benefits of live rock, I'm not sure it's right for a beginner in a small tank especially. You can't deny that having all of the diverse flora and fauna is a good thing, but it is also expensive and can bring unwanted pests into a tank. In larger tanks those pests can be managed with various CuC members, but in a smaller tank a lot of those members wouldn't work. And beginners just don't have the knowledge base to know what they are seeing, diagnose the pest, and how to get rid of it. But I've been proven wrong before, and I'm sure it will happen again! :-) -Matthew
@@HelloReef you are definitely right about chance of introducing pest into a system. They are fairly easy to deal with even in a nano setting but most beginners aren’t going to know how to tackle the situation or take the time to research themselves. I have a 20 IM all live rock not a single pest with 3+ year old rock. Dry rock in the end is 100% cleaner but I know new hobbyist want the kickstart n don’t want to wait months for rock to cycle and potentially algae outbreaks.
this is great feedback. thanks again for taking the time @zentube-