Gil Gives The TRUTH On Who Ran The Kobe & Shaq Lakers
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Gil Gives The TRUTH On Who Ran The Kobe & Shaq Lakers as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to the Shaquille O'Neal's recent comments about his rocky on court relationship with Kobe Bryant and discuss who really carried those dominant Los Angeles Lakers teams & why the NBA media will never give a second star, like Shaq and Jaylen Brown, the credit they deserve.
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Critics judge Kobe like nobody else…they say he was carried by shaq but he was the 4th qtr closer at age 22. They say he don’t pass but he’s tied for most assist by a SG ever. They say he was inefficient but shot 45% in the toughest defensive era which is still good. They say he only got 1 mvp but he obviously didn’t win more bc of the legal situation years ago. Now they try to convince us he’s barely top 10 even tho he was already in the goat convo in 2010 after going to 3 straight finals, winning 2 back to back vs the Celtics super team WITHOUT SHAQ OR ANOTHER TOP 75 player on his team. Stop disrespecting Mamba now that he gone! He was him!💯
45% field goal shooting is going to be considered bad. There is not much else to say. Lebron averaged the same as Kobe in the same 2000s era with better field goal percentage.
Its valid criticism that Kobe took too many needlessly bad shots
@@sumnahlennon5449shooters shoot. Up until the latter part of Brons career he was a layup God. Good for him. But it’s easier to have a higher percentage with bulldozing your way to the cup
But shaq definitely carried that team, takes nothing away from Kobe, he was still coming into it his own
@@sumnahlennon5449 and still has 1 more chip than lebron. you don't win with efficiency and natural talent you win with mamba mentality. or tell me about that game 7 vs the Celtics 6-24 from the field. still lead the game in scoring and grabbed 15 rebounds from the shooting guard position. please stop it lebron does not belong in the same sentence as kobe. it is absurd to just look at the sport like children. the best players have to win. and stop the excuses. i cant wait for the lebron era to be over so we can go back to the ruthless way of analysis and you getting the attention when you are not winning. it is a sport not wwe.
Kobe is by far the most criticized and hated player in NBA history it started from day 1 in the NBA as 1st guard to go pro Del Harris his coach literally told him teenagers don’t belong in the NBA and refused to play him major minutes
The 2nd half freeze out in the 1998 All star game,zero credit for 3peat,04-07 not winning with a G League team worst roster in the NBA
If Kobe was alive, he would of side-eye Gil for saying rings don't matter....only people without championships would say that lol
Gilbert’s master now is lebron tho.. do you see why Gilbert needs to lie and say rings don’t matter?
but he has 4........ @@khleung1306
You missed the entire point when he said that tho. He said “it doesn’t matter when you manipulate it to fit certain narratives” meaning you use rings to take credibility away from a player rather he won them or not, whether it be with another superstar/all star caliber player, a super team or solo. Cause the media gonna twist and turn it each way they can to fit their certain narrative on winning or losing and those narratives come from people who haven’t won anything or played on a pro level. Just some clarity
@@Juice-dr5veit’s not a missed point.. f the media we don’t care.. rings matter.. regardless of the argument
When comparing individual players it’s not the end all be all but when comparing teams it is
Kareem & Magic are talked about among Top 5 players of All-time, but it's a knock on Kobe Bryant to be in the discussion because he played with Shaq. Smh
Bruh right plus Kobe proved twice he could win without Shaq that should end it by itself
@@ak47dagunsmoke15😂😂🤦🏾♂️ it’s not even close to the same thing and yall know it
Kobe wasn't always the best player on his team
Crazy nobody brings that up
BUT IT WAS MAGIC'S TEAM TRUST ME!!!
Never forget Kobe went to 3 straight finals without shaq and was able to win back to back and people have the nerves to say he isn’t top 5 💀
@369pendulum what about his body of work lol go to sleep
@@369pendulum Kobe went to the finals three times in a row twice as a star. You act like Kobe was Robert Horry...
He had legendary Paul Gasol and a stacked team when they won. Stop acting like he went to the finals with bums.
Well said
Does performances matter? His best performance was against Orlando there are other all time greats with better finals performances
It was more of a superman and batman duo instead of batman and robin. Shaq was undoubtedly the better player and who generated the most attention. Kobe had the tougher defensive assignments and Averaged 28 5 5. Truly the best 1 2 punch in NBA history. Only Kd and Steph comes close to being as dominant.
Umm scottie and Mike 😂😂 best to do it
Thats what i say all the time. After the first title, It was a batman and superman dynamic. Typical "Robins" don't avg 30 ppg and 27 ppg all throughout the playoffs.
Best way to put it 100%
This is perfect
If it was Superman and Batman Kobe would have got one of those mvps bruh.
“Rings don’t mean shit” only a player without one would say this lol
Robert Horry has 7?
And played his part to help win all 7@BigMac785
Are you purposely taking what he’s saying out of context?
@@reignsupreme7686 he played a MINIMAL ROLE, you over exaggerating like hell.
Found the fan that knows more than the players
From my perspective as a fan I’d say Kobe Bryant is something nobody in the Modern NBA has seen in terms as the quasi number one guy/clear cut number two guy. In terms of his roles when playing with Shaq; Offensively he’s Kyrie adjacent, defensively he’s Scottie adjacent. How many number two’s can say they were 1st Team All-NBA in the same season as the more dominant player on their team? I know he’s not Michael Jordan but the narrative on Kobe Bryant is so wrong.
Shaq was gettin swept in Orlando. Shaq was losing to Utah in LA before Kobe emerged. I love Shaq & I know he was dominant, but he didn’t WIN until Kobe elevated. Just facts
@22savagetv add context Kobe lost them the playoffs against Utah he wouldn't stop airballing
and Kobe didnt start winning until Gasol arrived. Do you give Gasol credit for Kobes rings? He plays a similar role to what Kobe played to Shaq the first 2 years
@@JAYSPLASHMUSIC facts kobe needed big.men to win
@@malikwilson7387 yea every team needed a solid big back then. Kwame wasnt cutting it lol. Either way teh argument that Shaq needed Kobe more than Kobe needed him is stupid bc Shaq went to finals as a 2nd 3rd year by himself. Then got beat by MJ because..hes MJ, then went out west where there was more comp. They made it deep into play off with Eddie Jones but SHAQ wasnt ready, not Kobe. Kobe was still baking 97-01. Shaq is winning atleast 1 with or without Kobe lets be real but Kobe not winning ANY without Shaq
@@JAYSPLASHMUSIC …please go look at Gasol’s numbers. Man would avg like 16 & 11 bro. Like stop the 🧢 😒
Even the ‘finals mvp’ conversation came into the mix after Kobe won his rings next to Pau Gasol. Before that, it was ‘Kobe couldn’t win without Shaq’.
Fast forward, fans and weirdo media will tell you that Bynum + Gasol = Shaq 😂. The people that hate Kobe usually know the least about basketball but the most rabid.
💯
Whose ever said Bynum and Gasol equated to Shaq 😂 that's blasphemous asf😂😂
@@deyontaewilkerson5886 it was Jason Whitlock who said that not too soon after kobe won his 5th chip. That man has also said a plethora of disgusting shit about Kobe's wife and more. Really nasty dude in general really.
No one ever said Pau and Bynum were essentially Shaq. You can delete this comment.
Fax if you think Lebron top 5 I have to question your basketball knowledge
Keyon should talk about how Kobe cooked the nuggets
They cheated on the nuggets, they was giving kobe everything
And the nets
@@TheTaekwon3cry about it
And the Nets
@@TheTaekwon3man ain’t nobody trying to hear that bs, you know damn well the nuggets couldn’t hold Kobe and if I were you I would go back and watch those games if possible. matter of fact just go look up the stats for every single game for both 08 and 09 playoffs against the nuggets and you would see that Kobe cooked them . Shit y’all can yell that who’s your daddy bs now but we all know Kobe owns Denver and every team that Keyon has been on
Idk why they try to discredit kobe during those runs. People axt like he was avg 17-20 ppg like typical sidekicks do nah he was avg damn near 30 ppg all throughout the playoffs in 01 and 02. The first title kobe got carried but the last two he was certified superstar at that point.
Outplayed Shaq vs Portland the 1st title and Kobe was quadruple teamed before he dumped it off to Shaq in that photo if you go look at the video.
And phill was going to kobe to close out the close games because he dint want to risk Shaq going to the free-throw line
Kobe didn’t get carried for the first championship. He was the best player in that Game 7 against Portland when Shaq almost choked that series away. Kobe basically clinched the series in Game 4 of the Finals after he was purposefully injured in Game 2.
@@Hmmm_BStill wasn’t the best player
@@FireAngelChrisprime Shaq was probably the best player of all time. He would be the focal point of any time, in any era, with any player.
I love Kobe Bryant to death, but I'm tired of the revisionist history of those first three championships. He was undoubtedly 1B but Shaq was THE MAN. It was his team.
That's why those 09 and 10 championships are so important to Kobe's legacy because he lead the team as the guy
Kobe stans are as delusional as BW 😂😂😂
People act like the finals is the only stats that matter. Shaq during the 3peat struggled hard vs West powerhouses like Spurs, Trailblazers.. Kobe was the best player on the floor in those series and carried Shaqs ass. But all that means nothing because Shaq dominated the East teams in the finals.
Without Kobe being the best player on the floor, Lakers lose to Trailblazers in 2000, lose to Spurs in 2001, and lose to Kings in 2002.
@@quick2bud that's how I know you weren't alive for that era if you think Shaq got carried lmao
It was Shaqs team until it wasn't
Shaq didn't get carried but kobe outplayed shaq more often then not in Earlier Playoff rounds.@@corpyhogan4433
Shaq doesn't win 3 straight without kobe
And Kobe don't win 3 straight without Shaq.
@@kerry-j4mno but he Clearly wins 2 straight without Shaq
@@AAAA-cf2sz That's true,but,Shaq won one-CHIP-with out Kobe.
No….. really
They don’t win 3 without each other and they don’t win any other titles with a team. Y’all weird lol
During Lakers 5-year run from '00-'04 resulted in 4 finals appearances and a 3peat.
In playoffs : Shaq 27 pts more rebs &blks. Kobe 26 pts more asts. & stls. Where as Bulls 1st 3peat run prime Jordan avg about 34 pts prime Pippen 20 pts. in playoffs. Big difference.
Shaq and Kobe were more like superman and batman duo.
Phil ran that team, Shaq was the best player, Kobe was coming into his greatness that we know him as of today. 💯
That boy AI took the sixers to the finals. That shit was crazy. They all knew their roles but no 2nd dominant option at all after AI
Facts Kobe never led a weak team to a deep playoff run ever
You can say it was the media and fans that drove the wedge in between these guys, but I specifically heard Shaquille O’Neal ask Kobe Bryant “how my ass taste”?
He also stated (in that freestyle in the club) “Kobe couldn’t do it without me”.
Kobe even says in an interview, that he had to play without Shaq, just because people were saying he could not win without him.
To me, Kobe was too much of an alpha in the relationship, Shaq is an alpha male, but Kobe backs it up with this work ethic and killer, mentality. Shaq admit that he got lazy in the off-season, because he know he had Kobe to defer to in the interview they did together. And Kobe looked at him with such rage and said, and that’s the shit they got me mad! And that’s not a knock on Shaquille O’Neal, but Kobe Bryant backed it up with his work ethic, and getting back to the finals three times without him.
Yes, Shaq might’ve been the most dominant player at first,, but once Kobe came into his own, the roles changed.
From '80-90 Magic was player of the decade w/5 chips 8 Finals appearances.
From '00-10 Kobe was clearly player of the decade w/ 5 chips 7 Finals appearances and most pts scored by player during that period (same decade Shaq 4 chips in 5 Finals, Duncan 3 chips).
It was 1A 1B. Only time you could say it was maybe a situation where it was 1 and 2 type of thing was that first finals. Go look at the total playoff runs Kobe stood toe to toe with Shaq.
Not in terms of efficiency. Kobe required too many shots
@@sumnahlennon5449of course as a shooting guard and shooting perimeter shots is going to be less efficient than points in the paint
Naw it was 1 and 2...
@@sumnahlennon5449 he’s a perimeter player bro… you comparing him to shaq were most of his shots were dunks and jump hooks
@@fledgendbeats4581Kobe vs spurs in 01 33/7/7 Kobe vs kings in 01 35/8/6 Kobe in 02 vs spurs 26/7/7 Kobe in 02 vs kings 28/6/5 Kobe vs spurs in 2003 32/7/6 all those are series Kobe out scored shaq . It was objectively 1a 1b .
One thing I'll never say is that that lakers team was KOBE's or Shaq's it was literally both of their team.
'00-'02 it was Shaq's Lakers. '09-'10 it was Pau & Kobe's Lakers.
@@penkima4923you weren’t watching back then. It was always both of them in media.
@@penkima4923Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐. Lakers not winning none of those titles 2000-2010 without Kobe
@@penkima4923so why are they regarded as the best duo in basketball if it was just Shaqs lakers y’all don’t know what y’all be talking abt
@@merv3930 "you weren’t watching back then. It was always both of them in media."
You didn't read the title of the video.
Kobe 💜🕊️
Shaq was the man in those championship teams. Kobe was the closer when needed. And both needed each other.
It's always the same fanbase that tries to tear down Kobe/MJ/Shaq/Kareem/Magic's careers. That same fanbase even downplays their favorite player's former teammates...
Fr. The irony is when that player wins his fans give him 100% of the credit but if he loses he takes none of the blame. It’s crazy
Im glad we all know who this about
I guess ur fanbase never tries to tear down LeBron, Steph, or KD. U guys love Jordan so much that u discard Scottie and now rewriting history when it comes to Shaq and Kobe but it’s the other fanbase that does that. Yeah right!
@@cooljohn6961 no one tries to tear down steph but those other 3 frauds deserve it. As great as they are all they had to do was prove it by winning fair and square, but they decided to team up so they lost respect, it is what it is. Doesn’t mean y’all have to lie and change narratives.
@@cooljohn6961 Steph’s fanbase might be even worse. They literally say KDs rings don’t count but they count all 4 of Steph’s even tho KD won both FMVPS😭 then soon as KD gets hurt in 2019 they lost lol
I wish Gil was real like this 80% of the time, it would make the show so much easier to watch
Didnt Kobe win 2 more Championships after Shaq?
yea they said that in the video
That picture is legendary they look worried concerned frightened and not worried about the other 4 players that are open.
As A Laker Fan Who Actually Watched Almost Every Game.. Kobe carried us in the playoffs and then in the finals it was a cake walk because no Center in the East could hold Shaq!..
EXACTLY!!
Bs you didn't watch close enough
They tripled him allowing kobe to go 1v1
@randy_crna Kobe better than Shaq 💯💯
Kobe is the best rapist and 🚁 driver 😂😂😂@@JuwanDunbar-zy2em
@@randy_crna that’s where ur wrong, they actually double/triple/ quadruple team Kobe, that pic they showed of Shaq dunking on the nets team, if u actually watched the game u would know Kobe drove baseline while getting triple team and he passed it to Shaq.
Shaq's dunk was from an assist from Kobe under the basket. All 5 Nets players being in the frame is due to Kobe and Shaq both being 5 feet from the basket.
Why is this a debate? One guy won 3 finals mvps and league mvp in that three peat.
The real championship was won in the West, And that is where Kobe was destroying those teams especially in the 4th when Shaq was on the bench or was bricking free throws.
Finals was a cakewalk, easy peasy compared to the west gauntlet.
Without Kobe, Shaq doesn't even get to the finals.
Stop! Just say you didn’t like Kobe. Kobe dominated the west playoffs and Phil told Kobe to feed Shaq in the finals vs weak eastern teams and Kobe did. Shaq, had great teams in Orlando and didn’t win one title. In 2001 and 2002 Kobe could have been awarded finals MVP as well as Shaq. We all know the media didn’t like Kobe because he was pushing MJ’s greatness winning titles at 21,22, and 23 years old.
THE WHOLE GAMEPLAN WAS TO GET THE BALL TO SHAQ.......why can't anybody see that. You can't water down kobes legacy because he followed the gameplay on offense like he's supposed to
That is why Kobe is so awesome to me. His champs with Gasol as second scorer were special. Look at those teams and the amount of talent they had. Dude had less help then almost any superstar that won in this game. Very impressive stuff the way he imposed his will on the league in those last 2 championships. Like you said most champions have at least 2 super star teammates, one not being able to win without the other. Gasol, I love that dude, very skilled big man. Calling him a superstar though is a big stretch.
Kobe fans gotta realize it don’t take away from Kobe greatness that Shaq was the better player
Exactly 💯
I agree shaq was the best player overall and I don’t think most fans of Kobe mind that but there are a lot of narratives out there that Kobe was carried and that his first three rings don’t count but we don’t here those same narratives for other players steph gets those narratives a bit too which I think is unjustified
Better Player??? Shaq wasn’t the better player he was just more dominant at that point..💯💯💯
It does when people try to make it seem like shaq carried him when anyone with sense knows they needed each other. Let’s say shaq could’ve carried a team without Kobe to 1 championship, he dang sure wasn’t going 3 in a row
He was the more dominant not better . Kobe had more responsibility then Shaq including Guarding the others teams best player .
Scottie was a Top5 player in the 90’s
Shaq got swept out of the playoffs in 95, 96, 97, 98, and 99.
It wasnt until Kobe came of age at 21 years old in 2000 that Shaq even won a chip. Who really needed who? Real talk.
He also made a finals as his teams best player in year 3
Kobe didn’t do that until year 12 😂😂😂😂
Replace Kobe with Tmac or Vince and they would have win it stop it.
@@ChrisJoestarrShaq ain’t play with prime Penny before Kobe? 😂
@@hardwoodthought1213 Kobe and Shaq were equals in 01 and 02 it was never a thing where it was clearly shaqs team lol if you watched the nba at the time you’d know
@@Abel-yo9mf 2000 it wasn’t Shaq’s team?
He won 1 as the clear best players that’s all I need to know. We saw what happened in 03 and 04 when Kobe thought it was his team 😂😂😂
To be clear Shaq was out his prime by the time he won with Wade so realistically the Lakers were better off moving forward without him considering how much he would have wanted to stay.
It’s hilarious when Kobe stans downplay Shaq’s performances in the finals because those teams were worse. Kobe notoriously puts up worse numbers in the finals than he did in the WCF playoffs even from 08-10. Kobe just wasn’t a finals performer on the level of other all time greats. Another myth is Kobe always dominated the WC while Shaq was worse. The only series Kobe outplayed Shaq in was in 01 & 02 vs the Spurs. Every other series Shaq was way better or it was Shaq was slightly better.
“ the only series “ lmaooo more lies Kobe was better against the kings in 01 AND in 02 , he was better for every round in 2003 shaq in 2003 averaged 18ppg on 44 percent shooting vs the spurs Kobe the “ sidekick “ averaged 32 ppg 6/4 Kobe was also the best player on the lakers in 2004
You people are fuciing retarded.....the game plan was get the ball to Shaq....so what did kobe do.....what he could. Played defense and got his when he could....he played how he was supposed to. That's what the coach told him to do....guess what happens if that wasn't the game plan....Kobe has more stats
Great show❤ Mr Gil and the team... Watching yall.. All the way from South Africa 🎉🎉🎉😊
Shaq never won until KOBE came along.... Just sayin
I see you Gil repping the Storm bowling shirt❤❤❤❤! They make some Great Balls!!!!
I don't think people give proof Shaq his props he deserves. That picture, he did that shit basically his whole damn career. He deserves to be in the Goat discussion.
The gameplan for the pistons was let Kobe shoot kuz they knew shaq was the threat
Facts
It's actually the opposite. Pistons played Shaq 1 on 1 and didn't double team and kept double teaming Kobe.
@@tinwong8 yea and kobe keep forcing shots instead passing to shaq,no wonder why they lose😃
@@ziginaigraThey lost cause they had no depth or spacing. Force feeding Shaq all game isn’t sustainable. Kobe was trapped/triple teamed every time he touched the ball that series.
@@ziginaigra No it's actually because Karl Malone got injured. Gary Payton couldn't play in triangle. Shaq was out of shape. Kobe out of shape since he was coming off rape trial
Shaq is being generous 😅 Shaq dominated the league during the 3 peat 😅👍🏾 With all respect to Kobe R.i.p 💯 Shaq had 3 straight Finals MVP’s (The only Player I’ve seen do that was MJ in my 45 yrs) along with 1 League MVP 🧐😅💯 Dominated.Growing up i was a Jordan,Pippen,Glen Robinson,Ray Allen,D’Wade,LeBron fan heavy.So yes I’m the rare MJ and LeBron fan 😅🤣 the only players i ever feared growing up were Larry Bird,Jazz(Bulls era),Shaq(Lakers era), Warriors and the Joker 🤷🏾♂️🤣 and i feared Shaq the most 💯👍🏾
Kobe had equal offensive impact as Shaq during the west portion of the playoffs. Everyone only looks at the finals where they played no one.
And those finals they played:
76ers - Old Mutumbo guarding Shaq
Nets - Small team
Indiana - Small team
It was a no brainer to play through Shaq for those series
Exactly
@@Brooklyn11236 yea it was basically Mutumbo for Philly and Smits for Indiana. New Jersey legit had no one
Never heard anyone in the media discredit magic and kareem two top 5 players ever winning all their chips together, kareem only winning 2 Finals MVPs, magic winning 3 out of 5. Bird not winning all the finals MVPs of his chips. They just get credit for winning. Different rules for some reason. Both of those teams were STACKED with hall of famers. Even james worthy won a finals MVP hit 40 in a finals game top 75 player. Celtics had HOF players throughout the roster.
Kareem won without Magic in MIL. He has 6 rings to Magic's 5.
As a kings fans watching shaq was best player on those teams
Cant deny Kobe use to put up numbers against the Kings!
Which shows how ridiculous that duo was because 01 kobe was avg 35 and 10 in that series and 02 28/5/5. On any other team those numbers would be considered as the clear cut best player on a squad
Shaq was a freak of nature. Without each other the Lakers definitely wasn't winning 3 in a row
Kobe use to cook the king's and weber use to give Shaq hell
Kobe did go back to back afterwards tho
Media would have never disrespected kobe the way they do now if he was alive.
You're a natural, keep doing what you do
Kobe played great. It’s crazy to think people measure things like playing with another great player is bad.
If you do it on your own without significant help from your team then that’s crazy but that’s never happened ONCE. No one single player has won rings without significant help by someone else or others.
The closest you can see of a 1 superstar ring was Dirk but he literally had a great team. Had significant help from J Kidd, Tyson Chandler etc
Like Scottie Pippen is literally a GREAT player and would have won an MVP in the league, DPOY awards. He’d put up 25 7 & 7 with ELITE defence.
You could literally look at any big time player with Scottie like Chuck or Hakeem in their prime and it’s likely they win titles. But Mike was THE GUY. The Icon. Bigger than basketball and anyone is behind him if you’re on his team.
I was 11-13yo watching shaq and Kobe destroy the league for 3 years. Great memories
I was too lol what a great time to be alive
I remember one of the last big interviews before Kobe Bryant passed away, Kobe Bryant said that Shaq could’ve been the Goat and Kobe said that he himself would have 12 championships, if Shaq had a better work ethic instead of being lazy, and Shaquille O’Neal responded to the late great Kobe Bryant by saying,
““You don't get statues by not working hard" O'Neal commented on the post. In a second comment, Shaq also said:
"U woulda had twelve if u passed the ball more especially in the finals against the Pistons #facts"”
So Shaquille O’Neal can keep that extra noise now because he should have said all of this junk when the late Kobe Bryant was alive, because instead of praising Kobe Bean when he was alive, one of Shaq’s public last words to an alive Kobe Bryant was Shaquille O’Neal pretty-much calling Kobe Bean Bryant a ball hog, so we don’t want to hear Shaquille talk nice now because he’s probably feeling guilty over those negative statements in response to Bryant’s PBD interview. We still remember when Kobe Bryant had to come out to say that he’s too old to go back and forth with Shaq on social media AND THEN Shaquille O’Neal cleaned up the mess that he tried to start. So yea, Shaq can keep the guilty praise to himself, now that the late great Kobe Bryant is resting in peace. 🪦 🙏
U spoke nothing but facts
"U woulda had twelve if u passed the ball more especially in the finals against the Pistons" this is reason why they lose
Kobe is just as guilty as Shaq. Maybe more guilty in 2004
Shaq said negative things to Kobe as a RESPONSE to Kobe saying negative things about him. Infact, Kobe was the Laker most likely to berate his teammates. *Ask Phil Jackson.*
Kobe was disliked by plenty of the league and teammates in 2004. Shaq needs not apologize
Shaq was "lazy" yet Kobe shot Lakers out of the playoffs in 2004
Shaq was the most dominate at his position, if you didn't see prime Shaq play you would not understand the physical specimen this man was. Nobody could guard him due to his size, quickness, power, and meanness. However Kobe was the best player on the court period: defense, scoring, rebounding, passing, and incredible shot making, this man did it all. Look at the centers of his era Shaq played against compared to the guards and forwards Kobe had to deal with. Shaq would not have won 3 chips without Kobe and that's a fact.
I agree, but I do have to say Shaq's skill gets a bit too underappreciated because people focus so much the things you listed. His footwork was great, while he doesn't have great numbers his passing was on point, and he had the misfortune of playing at the same time as Mutombo and Rodman, so rebound leader eluded him (he averaged nearly 14 per game one season and still came in second against Rodman). I'm not saying he was more skilled or anything, just that his skills shouldn't be overlooked because of his physical talents.
Everyone knew it was Kobe team expect Shaq 😂
its other way around lol
@@ziginaigra the got Shaq because Kobe wanted him .
@@ziginaigra Shaq admitted to Kobe you were right in the last interview
@@BigDic-qz8su are u saying that young kobe was better than prime shaq ,ofc it was shaq team
@@ziginaigra he was ready on the team and they were building around him when they got Shaq .
When Gil
On
Point he be on point
The real finals was the WCF every year. The Leastern Conference teams were a cake walk. Kobe carried against the better competition aka the WCF. Shaq dominated the finals because the east sucked.
2001 WCF is the only conference finals where Kobe outplayed Shaq. 2000 Kobe had a better game 7 vs Portland that’s it. 2002 Shaq averaged 30 & 13 vs Kings. Stop with the revisionist history.
@@1227weaverblol they love lying man. Also why couldn’t Kobe outplay those so called leastern conference guys
Kobe won his first ring at the age of 21 that was lead by Shaq, by the time Shaq left after Earning Finals MVP all 3x in a row Kobe wouldn't win another ring until he was 30 so be real Shaq was the best and most dynamic player on that team kobe was definitely a beast but Diesel was the difference maker
They're wrong Kobe took over the blazers in 2000 to beat Indiana and in 2001 Kobe took over against San Antonio and Shaq took over against Philly
Because Shaq was doubled every touch? Leaving Kobe open
And Kobe took over in 1 OT period v Indiana 😂😂😂 he didn’t take over
“We had to play Shaq a certain way, so Kobe could play free.”
Pretty much answers the question.
Nah that shaq pic is diabolical 😂😂😂
Pippen is the biggest example of what Gil’s talking about.
I don't understand why they keep acting like kobe was ever carrying the Lakers when shaq was there. Shaq was gonna win with any other superstar. You could replace kobe with tmac,vince carter, iverson,ray allen and they still win 3 championships. Shaq was dominating everything in front of him.
That pic is crazy! LOL
We need a documentary on that 02-03 nets team,went to back to back finals
Yall cook this 1 . Gil that question about S.P. is a billion dollar question . I enjoyed listening to yall on this 1
Fun fact Gil mentioning narratives, which is ironic with that picture of shaq dunking. Kobe had the ball and drived it the paint help came then he dished it to Shaq, thats why the defense was so collapsed. You would think Shaq was posting up but nah, shows narratives is truly a thing and Kobe will always be underrated in that 3-peat
It was Kobe versus The Spurs in 2001! He had back to back high 40 point games and double digit rebounds.
I was a young NJ NETS fan at the time! I loved SHAQ outside of basketball it that was the first time I realized HE REALLY IS A MONSTER! Lol Hated Kobe at the time! I cried when we lost man! Lakers never stopped! J Kidd taught me the game watching him. Great teams.
Kobe was my guy, that's coming from a Lakers fan since 1983.......
One thing I hate is when these athletes that played try to tear down someone who hasn’t played…just because you never played don’t mean you don’t know the game…some of the best coaches, gm’s, etc be people who never played…don’t try to tear someone down because you played but then start talking about analytics…those analyst yall listen to and get info from be people the same people that NEVER played the game but look how analytics changed the game
I can appreciate Kenyon martins honesty, especially because it must be hard to talk about a Finals loss
Gil consistently says it’s the people that never played doing this type of discourse while the name of this clip and subject is the same thinf
Kareem Finals record without Magic 1-1
Magic Finals record without Kareem 0-1
Shaq Finals record without Kobe 1-1
Kobe Finals record without shaq 2-1
Kobe was the ONLY all time great to prove he could win WITHOUT his other top player he was attached too
The ones who understand the game and watch it know which player is impacting the success of the team. It is usually the non-stars who even provide energy that bring out the best in the whole team and certain stars on the team. You can say the greatness of two players who are stars or superstars can motivate them to not fall behind the other which brings out the most out of the other. At the end of the day the game is about everyone on the team and sometimes more have to do with the coach too.
But when there is team success the brand of the game which is the business side will come together with owners to squeeze out every penny from the consumers. They need to put a face on the brand, and it is often where the issue comes for the really fans of the game. The marketable player may not be the best on the team, but the brands and media will keep forcing that they are by consistently screaming in our ears that they are the better player than the other one who in reality is the better hooper in our eyes.
The difference is the dominance of Shaq and Kobe they both was 1A 1A
I think the other duos there was a clear cut 1A 1B
Trying to rewrite history because the man gone is NASTY WORK
Lol that picture
Shaq said he was Superman and Kobe was Batman. Shaq claimed “Kobe[little brother] was the better player but it was [Big brother] Shaq’s team.
Shaq was more important, but Shaq couldn’t win those championships without Kobe. Every great big man needs someone that can create their own shot. And not only could Kobe create his own shot, he could go and win the game for the Lakers if they needed him to.
Shaq was dominant, but athletically and skill-wise, Kobe was the best.
The insight of this show makes it top tier
Keeping all the way real 90s early 2000s Shaq probably literally could’ve won with any other star players back then. Hell give Shaq Sprewell I think he still wins and dominates.
Finally Shaq being truthful
kobe made regular season games feel like the finals, i remember he use to take over every 4th quarter during shaq years,and often win the game for them.
“Misunderstood what does that even mean” 🤣 cmon gil
Its both first options kinda like with the Celtics with Brown and Tatum both 1a players.
For those who hooped, whose team is it actually is a thing though. If you’re the man and someone comes around and challenges that, there’s gonna be issues. Shoutout to Jimmy Hughes. 8th grade champs baybay.
Kobe has how many all nba defensive teams? Exactly. Offense and defense.
That photo is priceless!! Shaq was a Monster
Kenyon = truth serum needed in sports media.
The media is kinder to role players than a dominant 2.
Imagine if they beat the pistons in 04 and kobe and shaq never separated kobe would've never gotten recognition that break up was the best thing for Kobe's legacy
2 of the top ten players of all time at their peak🤷🏽♂️
The pass came from Kobe on that play
Didn’t Kobe average 10 less points per game in his best finals with shaq? It was shaqs team clear as day and has thr finals mvps to prove it. What are we doing here
BRON is the only player who's not supposed to have any help winning championships 😂😂😂. Kobe stans are the absolute worst.
Screenshot was crazy 😂😂😂 5 man poster is nasty work
I love Scottie. My idol
That dunk Kenyon talked about was the result of a beautiful penetration from Kobe - all shaq had to do was jump and dunk
gil in the storm jersey 🔥
In that picture of Shaq those 5 defenders were attracted to the paint by Kobe.
8:44 - “wait, Scottie Pippen was 3rd in MVP?!”
Do Jordan fans not know this??
as most have already probably stated. From the beginning the media created the narrative that KB wasn’t as great as he was. Maybe hoping that he would one day stop being great. But as GA has stated in previous episodes it wasn’t that KB was naturally super athletic. It was he was good,while constantly challenging himself to be better.The want to be great. The need to be the best. And he kept right on elevating and elevating on his way to 5 chips,multiple all-stars,defensive first teams etc. We don’t care about his ONE regular season MVP award because if you know,he’s probably deserving of one or two MORE regular season MVP’s.
If these podcasts continue with former players having their own channel and platform they’re gonna put mainstream media out of business! I’d rather listen to this than television