Hey folks! Please see below for the full list of upgrade suggestion made in the video, check out the link in the description for the full decklist, and let me know in the comments if you agree with my changes, disagree, and/or what changes you think I missed! ------------------------------------- 2nd Spell per Turn Matters -------------------------------------- Octavia, Living Thesis >>> Kraum, Violent Cacophony Kaza, Roil Chaser >>> Jori En, Ruin Diver ------------------------------------ Untap Cantrips ------------------------------------ Finale of Revelation >>> Cerulean Wisps Deep Analysis >>> Refocus Tezzeret’s Gambit >>> Twitch ------------------------------------ Cheap Cantrips ------------------------------------ Volcanic Torrent >>> Crimson Wisps Niv Mizzet, Parun >>> Expedite Shark Typhoon >>> Brainstorm Mountain >>> Consider Radical Idea >>> Borne Upon a Wind ------------------------------------ "Free" Spells ------------------------------------ Temple of the False God >>> Snap Izzet Boilerworks >>> Frantic Search Smoldering Stagecoach >>> Gitaxian Probe Mountain >>> Strike It Rich ------------------------------------ Spell Tutors ------------------------------------ Winged Boots >>> Mystical Tutor Curse of the Swine >>> Merchant Scroll Pteramander >>> Personal Tutor Haughty Djinn >>> Solve the Equation Think Twice >>> Muddle the Mixture ------------------------------------ Untap ------------------------------------ Big Score >>> Dramatic Reversal ------------------------------------ Wincon ------------------------------------ Propaganda >>> Twisted Fealty ------------------------------------ Core - Ramp ------------------------------------ Leyline Dowser >>> Talisman of Creativity Treasure Crews >>> Fellwar Stone ------------------------------------ Core - Removal ------------------------------------ Epic Experiment >>> An Offer You Can't Refuse Baral’s Expertise >>> Lightning Bolt Midnight Clock >>> Counterspell ------------------------------------ Core - Draw ------------------------------------ Dig Through Time >>> Quick Study ------------------------------------ Additional Upgrades ------------------------------------ Murmuring Mystic >>> Spellseeker Bloodthirsty Adversary >>> Jeska's Will Finale of Promise >>> Deflecting Swat Pyretic Charge >>> Fierce Guardianship
This deck as a precon is a threat itself. Now you turned it into an apex predator deck, shootin' faster as its shadow. Enemies will not be happy. Good work as usual. Hope to see an Erin upgrade soon.
Found it for cheap and liiike I’m not really sure taking a 20 minute turn to do a bunch of triggers and casting free draw spells. This is a good base for a savvy upgrade, but on its own this half an engine
For anyone curious: solve the equation ($4) gix probe ($5) Ral, Storm Conduit ($5) personal tutor ($5) merchant scroll ($7) mystical tutor ($9) Cerulean Wisps ($9) Not all but some of the recommendations. I nabbed all the cards i considered budget and might just proxy the ones listed above.
I just got this deck today and had to come see how you would upgrade it. This deck you made is insane, im getting the upgrades and running this bad boy, it looks like so much fun
Yeah I’m not a fan of lose to something like that but maybe it’s worth to have one deck that can do it to try out against the players that always run something stronger than the table
Just had the chance to test the build yesterday and boy-oh-boy it's strong. Almost too storng. Not only that, it's super consistent (providing you don't have bad luck in impulse draws).
instead of Fellwar Stone, why not do Thought Vessel to increase the chance of pulling a "no maximum hand size" card? You removed Finale of Revelation which grants that, so I think Thought Vessel is a worthy card in place of Fellwar Stone since it would also be used late game for a low cost spell. Also, if no one is running blue or red or one and not the other, then you get stuck with infinite mana of either a color you can not use for colored mana spells and abilities , only colorless, or get stuck with all blue or all red.
I was considering getting this precon earlier, but since I already built Magnus the Red as an Izzet spellslinger deck, I chose to skip this one. Only after I realised the commander goes infinite with everything, I’ll have to buy her separately for another choice as a commander. Solid upgrade video as always, Grazzet!
I already owned Urabrask and birgi which can help storm, then I pulled return the favor and rodeo pyromancers from my otj packs. Balmor, battlemage captain seems great if people are doing a go wide strat which the precon seems to like with the tokens it can make. Slickshot show off also seems decent. Might be better outside of commander though
Super video, nearly flawless - but, Finale of Promise absolutely should not be cut. Three mana to hit three spells plus the possibility of recasting one of our game-breaking one drops is just way too good. Don't let the useless text about 10 or more confuse the issue. There's plenty of crap left to cut in place of FoP.
Can’t decide to give my deck more “on cast or second cast, make one of these or do this” or if it needs better cantrips. I did buy twisted fealty and cerulean wisps a maybe one other spell that is similar but less efficient. It’s funny how strong this deck already was out of the box
Hidden Strings > Dramatic Reversal to generate infinite mana because it needs land instead of a mana rock. Also, you can tap all your opponent's permanents as a bonus.
i put in Gandalf the Grey, Glamdring, Wizards of Thay, Baral and Kari Zev Flame of Anor Fire//Ice Gandalfs Sanction To me Gandalf the Grey was a auto include in this deck since he is a Guttersnipe on steroids. So are Wizards of Thay not only do they make your spells cheaper they also let you cast sorceries at instant speed. i haven’t had a opportunity yet to play it though
Hi @grazzet, ive seen your sultai gonti decklist, i felt is a bjt underwhelming, is there any possible to make it into full ramp at early game and cast big stealy things ? I hope you can do that too
Have to agree with the latter comments here. Stella in the command zone is just another combo enabling, kill on site commander for me and nothing original. Eris on the other hand suits the precon list and play-style better, although it doesn’t utilize the graveyard as efficiently. I’ve seen the Stella play-style too many times already but at least wotc is embracing it. I would love to see an izzet build that doesn’t storm/combo, but sadly it doesn’t exist.
I was looking for an upgrade for this deck that does not use infinite combos, we don't usually play this type of deck in my playgroup. Maybe a way to generate many create tokens or use card draw to damage opponents. Do you have any suggestions?
Awesome break down and upgrade. The upgrade you suggest I think it would be to strong, it cool af! but probably will try to tone it down a bit and see how it goes
Very true! The deck has quite a number of draw through its entire library so adding some self mill wincon like Thassa's Oracle would be a viable consideration.
> How to make your pod ban you This is supposed to be a casual format bro... Why am I gonna spend another $40 upgrading this deck into oblivion, when I could literally build 2-3 decks for the same price (or buy a different precon)? If anyone plays this shit against me, I'm immediately leaving... Drawing through your entire deck in a single turn ruins everyone else's game for no reason
Good lord this deck is menacing! And it doesn't even have that much Menace creature- *gets shot* Bad jokes aside, amazing vid as always! As for my vote, Vihaan keeps it. After all, this time the Treasure sacrifices the Players! Once he wins, at least. Day 960 of waiting for the face reveal. Any characters you wanna see in the Thunder Junction in some way?
I’m not going to lie that is the most bullshit rule ever . You should be allowed infinites as it’s a cool way to win unless it happens each game which is highly unlikely.
U need to have stella on the field without summoning sickness. Cast 2 spells prior to casting twisted fealty. Cast fealty as the 3rd spell hold priority activate stella copying fealty on the stack. Copy of tf targeting stella. Stack resolves copy 1st. After resolution hold priority and activate again establishing the loop.
@@quezer0 So Stella can just copy it infinitelly even without casting other spells in between? When does the loop end? And if I understood correctly first part of the effect of TF is targeting Stella too so I can untap her?
@@nftw95 Yes, her condition of needing to have played 2 spells before stays true and fulfilled for the whole turn. The loop ends when the table is dead. Yes, you target stella with every copy of TF
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Hey folks! Please see below for the full list of upgrade suggestion made in the video, check out the link in the description for the full decklist, and let me know in the comments if you agree with my changes, disagree, and/or what changes you think I missed!
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2nd Spell per Turn Matters
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Octavia, Living Thesis >>> Kraum, Violent Cacophony
Kaza, Roil Chaser >>> Jori En, Ruin Diver
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Untap Cantrips
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Finale of Revelation >>> Cerulean Wisps
Deep Analysis >>> Refocus
Tezzeret’s Gambit >>> Twitch
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Cheap Cantrips
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Volcanic Torrent >>> Crimson Wisps
Niv Mizzet, Parun >>> Expedite
Shark Typhoon >>> Brainstorm
Mountain >>> Consider
Radical Idea >>> Borne Upon a Wind
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"Free" Spells
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Temple of the False God >>> Snap
Izzet Boilerworks >>> Frantic Search
Smoldering Stagecoach >>> Gitaxian Probe
Mountain >>> Strike It Rich
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Spell Tutors
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Winged Boots >>> Mystical Tutor
Curse of the Swine >>> Merchant Scroll
Pteramander >>> Personal Tutor
Haughty Djinn >>> Solve the Equation
Think Twice >>> Muddle the Mixture
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Untap
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Big Score >>> Dramatic Reversal
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Wincon
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Propaganda >>> Twisted Fealty
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Core - Ramp
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Leyline Dowser >>> Talisman of Creativity
Treasure Crews >>> Fellwar Stone
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Core - Removal
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Epic Experiment >>> An Offer You Can't Refuse
Baral’s Expertise >>> Lightning Bolt
Midnight Clock >>> Counterspell
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Core - Draw
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Dig Through Time >>> Quick Study
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Additional Upgrades
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Murmuring Mystic >>> Spellseeker
Bloodthirsty Adversary >>> Jeska's Will
Finale of Promise >>> Deflecting Swat
Pyretic Charge >>> Fierce Guardianship
This deck as a precon is a threat itself. Now you turned it into an apex predator deck, shootin' faster as its shadow. Enemies will not be happy. Good work as usual.
Hope to see an Erin upgrade soon.
I'll probably pick this one up later if I can find the precon for cheap. I just had a son 5 days ago and I can't play Magic for a bit
congratulations! all the best wishes to you and your family :)
@@TheOblivionFan99 thank you. Got back from the hospital 2 days ago. This is our first and our second night alone with him. We love him so much!
Congratulations on the kid but the deck not going to be cheap because the leader can loop infinite for wins if you build that way
Found it for cheap and liiike I’m not really sure taking a 20 minute turn to do a bunch of triggers and casting free draw spells. This is a good base for a savvy upgrade, but on its own this half an engine
Shrieking drake has been an unsung hero and makes a repeatable way to get to your third spell a turn with ease
For anyone curious:
solve the equation ($4)
gix probe ($5)
Ral, Storm Conduit ($5)
personal tutor ($5)
merchant scroll ($7)
mystical tutor ($9)
Cerulean Wisps ($9)
Not all but some of the recommendations. I nabbed all the cards i considered budget and might just proxy the ones listed above.
I just got this deck today and had to come see how you would upgrade it. This deck you made is insane, im getting the upgrades and running this bad boy, it looks like so much fun
How’s its been treating you? I’m think about doing this upgrade. Just going for a S tier power level
This probably is the best way to go, but the untap to create infinite card draw / mana etc. doesn't sound like a fun commander experience :D
Yeah I’m not a fan of lose to something like that but maybe it’s worth to have one deck that can do it to try out against the players that always run something stronger than the table
Unfortunately my group has a tendency to run just below Cedh level. This is sometimes a necessary evil.
Just had the chance to test the build yesterday and boy-oh-boy it's strong. Almost too storng. Not only that, it's super consistent (providing you don't have bad luck in impulse draws).
instead of Fellwar Stone, why not do Thought Vessel to increase the chance of pulling a "no maximum hand size" card? You removed Finale of Revelation which grants that, so I think Thought Vessel is a worthy card in place of Fellwar Stone since it would also be used late game for a low cost spell. Also, if no one is running blue or red or one and not the other, then you get stuck with infinite mana of either a color you can not use for colored mana spells and abilities , only colorless, or get stuck with all blue or all red.
I was considering getting this precon earlier, but since I already built Magnus the Red as an Izzet spellslinger deck, I chose to skip this one. Only after I realised the commander goes infinite with everything, I’ll have to buy her separately for another choice as a commander.
Solid upgrade video as always, Grazzet!
Love the upgrades! I just bought this deck to upgrade it 🎉
I already owned Urabrask and birgi which can help storm, then I pulled return the favor and rodeo pyromancers from my otj packs. Balmor, battlemage captain seems great if people are doing a go wide strat which the precon seems to like with the tokens it can make. Slickshot show off also seems decent. Might be better outside of commander though
Super video, nearly flawless - but, Finale of Promise absolutely should not be cut. Three mana to hit three spells plus the possibility of recasting one of our game-breaking one drops is just way too good. Don't let the useless text about 10 or more confuse the issue. There's plenty of crap left to cut in place of FoP.
I think you missed hidden strings, it works like free spell and you can get infinite mana copying
Gitrog the ravenous ride! You will have a blast brewing a deck for that commander!
Can’t decide to give my deck more “on cast or second cast, make one of these or do this” or if it needs better cantrips. I did buy twisted fealty and cerulean wisps a maybe one other spell that is similar but less efficient. It’s funny how strong this deck already was out of the box
I see that Dirty Harry reference there in the intro, and I like it a lot. :D
Good job wizard of precons!
Hidden Strings > Dramatic Reversal to generate infinite mana because it needs land instead of a mana rock. Also, you can tap all your opponent's permanents as a bonus.
When you do the felix deck you should do a funny bit where you stick 5 boot cards, like swiftfoot and trailblazer
i love this precon, going to make a Token theme with Eris later, with Brudiclad as a sweet finisher! pew pew pew
i put in
Gandalf the Grey,
Glamdring,
Wizards of Thay,
Baral and Kari Zev
Flame of Anor
Fire//Ice
Gandalfs Sanction
To me Gandalf the Grey was a auto include in this deck since he is a Guttersnipe on steroids. So are Wizards of Thay not only do they make your spells cheaper they also let you cast sorceries at instant speed. i haven’t had a opportunity yet to play it though
I'm thinking of putting Gandalf the grey in myself, what did you replace? Guttersnipe?
Does this deck needs any kind of wrath or more removal? Like how do you get rid of a sheoldred?
Dekaah, Fractal Theorist can generate infinite creature tokens in this deck, what do you guys think is the best card to swap for deekah?
Nothing, there are better outlets for your combos if you are going for power
I love your content grazzet, keep it up!
Hi @grazzet, ive seen your sultai gonti decklist, i felt is a bjt underwhelming, is there any possible to make it into full ramp at early game and cast big stealy things ? I hope you can do that too
Have to agree with the latter comments here. Stella in the command zone is just another combo enabling, kill on site commander for me and nothing original. Eris on the other hand suits the precon list and play-style better, although it doesn’t utilize the graveyard as efficiently. I’ve seen the Stella play-style too many times already but at least wotc is embracing it. I would love to see an izzet build that doesn’t storm/combo, but sadly it doesn’t exist.
i played this with barely any upgrades and its still a very threatening deck
Assuming you used Stella?
I was looking for an upgrade for this deck that does not use infinite combos, we don't usually play this type of deck in my playgroup. Maybe a way to generate many create tokens or use card draw to damage opponents. Do you have any suggestions?
Psychosis crawler deals damage when you draw cards. Balmor, battlemage captain can pump your creatures when you cast stuff.
How would you Rate the Deck before and after Upgrade the Deck? (#powerlevel)
Just did the upgrade. It wasn't 35 dollars. More like 70
is this a upgrade quide or a story?
Awesome break down and upgrade. The upgrade you suggest I think it would be to strong, it cool af! but probably will try to tone it down a bit and see how it goes
Out of budget but if you can tutor up some cards you could easily win by drawing your deck then playing thassa's Oracle
Very true! The deck has quite a number of draw through its entire library so adding some self mill wincon like Thassa's Oracle would be a viable consideration.
> How to make your pod ban you
This is supposed to be a casual format bro... Why am I gonna spend another $40 upgrading this deck into oblivion, when I could literally build 2-3 decks for the same price (or buy a different precon)?
If anyone plays this shit against me, I'm immediately leaving... Drawing through your entire deck in a single turn ruins everyone else's game for no reason
Good lord this deck is menacing! And it doesn't even have that much Menace creature- *gets shot*
Bad jokes aside, amazing vid as always! As for my vote, Vihaan keeps it. After all, this time the Treasure sacrifices the Players! Once he wins, at least.
Day 960 of waiting for the face reveal. Any characters you wanna see in the Thunder Junction in some way?
Damn, this is really cool! Thhough I wish I could run it! >.< my local game store doesn't allow infinites
I’m not going to lie that is the most bullshit rule ever . You should be allowed infinites as it’s a cool way to win unless it happens each game which is highly unlikely.
@@elmerking234 Yeah it sucks, but it's play by the rules or don't play at all
@@Derpingmuffin very true where do you play ??
@@elmerking234 At my local game store in the UK, I don't think I should be more specific than that
@@Derpingmuffin I was just wondering in country region as I play in Ireland and some have the same no infinite ruling
Looks like u just infinite your last combo.
*Izzet shenanigans*
Anyone could have done infinite combos deck. I was hoping for something better.
Edhrec did it as a Mill deck
Aww man missed opportunity to say “These spells are free to cast but not free for your wallet.” When talking about Fierce and Swat lol.
Free in mana, not so free in USD lol
Can someone explain twisted fealty to me? How does he think to create so.many tokens? I am new to the game.
U need to have stella on the field without summoning sickness. Cast 2 spells prior to casting twisted fealty. Cast fealty as the 3rd spell hold priority activate stella copying fealty on the stack. Copy of tf targeting stella. Stack resolves copy 1st. After resolution hold priority and activate again establishing the loop.
@@quezer0 So Stella can just copy it infinitelly even without casting other spells in between? When does the loop end? And if I understood correctly first part of the effect of TF is targeting Stella too so I can untap her?
@@nftw95 Yes, her condition of needing to have played 2 spells before stays true and fulfilled for the whole turn. The loop ends when the table is dead. Yes, you target stella with every copy of TF
when gonti will hit?
The card combo at 2:08 have already increased in price making it less budget friendly. Id say wait it out the card should go down after the hype.
Dude your cadence and inflection is awful. Don’t drop the end of every sentence. It’s really distracting
Yall are some weird creatures man I swear 😂