I love my 6mm arc! I have a Sgt of Arms AR, with a T-Box carbon fiber wrapped barrel, JP Enterprises bcg with silent capture buffer, and a adjustable gas block. If you're going to suppress any gun I suggest those last 2 things, especially on a 6mm ARC. Heavier buffer and choke down the gas, will take care of your suppressor issues. I run a DeadAir Sandman L on mine, with no issues, after I tuned it. Even my .223 Wylde AR, I did the same thing. Not only did it tame the bcg, but it helps tighten the group, and extend your brass usage, for reloading. This are just my suggestions, especially if you're looking at a suppressed 6mm arc.
I see signs and have great hope that 6arc keeps gaining the popularity it deserves and that ammo manufacturers realize this and increase production. The 6arc is the way forward for the AR 15 style rifle. It has had a slow start since its beginning but I hear more and more talk about it in the last 2 years especially lately.
@@jjgriffin3275 At long range it carries more energy than 308. It beats 243 hands down at range. Most 243 rifles cannot use the high bc bullets 6 arc is using, the twist is wrong. 308 can use pretty high bc bullets, but by the time you get into the .6 bc range you're looking at something like a 200 grain ELD-X. So yes, unless a 308 is using very special ammo it's going to beat it out in the 600+ yard range and it's going to beat 243 out past 300-400 yards every time.
I have experienced less than stellar accuracy with the precision hunter in multiple calibers. The factory ammo is cheaper than .308 and 6.5 creedmore. This is the pinnacle of the long range ar platform. Currently building one around a noveske barrel
@@gundeals 6 arc in Hornady match offerings can be had for $1.02 a round if you buy it online. 308 and 6.5 creed in match Hornady ammo is more money period.
To realize the full benefits of 6mm ARC you really do need to get a barrel from a truly "match" manufacturer. I like Ballistic Advantage for my general purpose 5.56 builds but their QC is super inconsistent and I rarely get exceptional accuracy from them. They don't replace their rifle buttons on the correct interval so the tooling leaves a lot of inconsistencies in their barrels. Some batches are good, some are crap. Your mileage will vary.
Something that I read and have heard about the 6 ARC isn’t about the 100 yard accuracy it’s about the accuracy further out. 100 and 200 yard distances it’s typically average.However it may just be a bad barrel. But I don’t really have a dog in the hunt since I’ve never tried it. Who knows. Great video
The best is ackshully the 6.9mm Federal Hornady Super Short Magnum Norma Ackley Improved Magnum. Particularly out of a 15.99 inch barrel after a tax stamp.
I bought one in the CMMG and have since acquired hundreds of rounds for it in Hornady Black box ammo,it is really a sweet shooter,no recoil worth mentioning, accurate as can be,I've still have my 223 AR,because of ammo available anywhere you go,but this gun would replace that on ever level if not for the ammo reason,the Grendel does not keep up,the 6mm Max looks great though,for a AR size receiver rifle,your going to play hell trying to beat it,the 22 ARC is bad ass but not legal to hunt deer in my state with 22 cal.But one thing for sure I would not want to go against it with a 223 at any range from 300yrds to 1200yrds that's for sure.
Barrel wise i would call kenny @ dp gunworks. He has done the work for you with 6arc. Right now handloading is a must imo. If you do, just go with the 22 dpc wildcat from kenny. When my barrel goes thats what im going to. But i love my 6 arc. My loads are hot so a strong bolt is a must, rubber city or jp only. A adjustable gas block is a must when suppressed.
Im about to make a 6x45. I dont want to jave to fool around with soecialty brass. You can keep the xtra 150 fps. I am looking foward to cheap 223 brass with resonable price 243 bullets
In judging the effectiveness of 6-ARC, we must be careful not to commit the fallacy of Begging the Question. And the one real question is: "Is 6-ARC superior to 5.56 ?" 🧐
I don’t comment much but I’m pretty sure I disagree with about everything you said. Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but I hate to see someone lose faith in the future of this round when it’s actually doing everything right. First of all I can buy ammo for around $20/box all day. The same ammo you were shooting. New 6MM stamped Starline brass is $60/100 and several die sets are now available for reloaders. Secondly, there are now several (with more joining) companies making quality barrels. I just bought a backup Faxon match barrel for the short side of $250, although my original barrel was less than that and shoots lights out at distance, which around here is limited to the 700’ mark within a 3 hour drive. The ballistics of this round PAST 700’ is the important part for choosing this round, I mean it was developed and built for exactly that characteristic and will do more than punch a hole in paper at that distance: it will drop any whitetail or hog. Another great thing is you can still use .223 for short range practice and get pretty much the same experience as you would with your 6arc for about half the price per round. It’s not going to give inexperienced/unskilled shooters instant anything , 😂except maybe a new hole in their wallet. The AR platform for a round of this performance allows for a shooter to just buy or even build just an upper/barrel setup (and some magazines) to swap with their .223/5.56 when hunting season comes, and being legal for deer in any state that isn’t “straight wall cartridge only” only makes this round the perfect choice for lots of people, amateur and pro alike. Thanks for putting up the content regardless. We all have our opinions and it’s important to respect that. Cheers
Honestly, I'm not sure what anyone expects when they have a "hodgepodge" built rifle. You get what you pay for. Accuracy isn't cheap. Mine isn't the most expensive rifle on the planet but it has done ok. Complete aeroprecision 24" upper (.936" barrel) sitting on top of a silencer co lower with geissele super match trigger with the jp rifles silent capture spring buffer setup. With factory brake and factory ammo it would shoot just under 1 MOA at 100 yards. Handloading with a erik cortina tuner/brake it was around .750" avg. Could it be better? Maybe. We'll find out with the new barrel and matching upper to the lower. I think the biggest problem is folks are unrealistic about their expectations honestly. For a "combat" carbine 1.5"-2" groups at 100 yards and being able to hit minute of man at 300 yards is acceptable. (Look up accuracy requirements of mil spec rifle/carbines.) If a person wants more (especially out of a gas gun) then they really need to get specific and build a purpose built rifle. 6 ARC is a fantastic cartridge for the AR15 platform.
Dude builds 6 arc rifle with 16" barrel and then rags the cartridge because he isnt getting good ballistics😂😂😂 uses no adjustable gas block and complains about excess gas😂😂😂 uses mags not intended for cartridge and complains about reliability😂😂😂 shoots one bullet weight and complains about accuracy😂😂😂 love my 6 arc its the most accurate gun I own and I'm still shooting factory ammo.
Homie didn’t include information like his buffer weight, gas port size, or twist rate on the barrel. Those could all be factors for the inaccuracy. What’s the head spacing? You built a rifle, it didn’t function well, and you immediately go after the round? Bro you’re using all of the cheapest/worst magazines on the market too. Of course it’s not going to feed well. You’re using one of the cheapest 6mm arc barrels and it doesn’t group well. What do you expect?
I debated between 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel for the better part of a year before choosing Grendel. I was able to buy the parts for my upper for about $400. Factory ammo is also considered less expensive and more available too. On paper I still think 6mm ARC wins, especially when shooting past 1000 yards, but I don't even have a place I can shoot beyond 600 so that makes little difference to me at this point.
you chose the wrong caliber. I won't waste a SRP on any other cartridge that fits in the AR-15. I'm glad you love your Grendel but we will just keep shooting past your targets with the 6ARC - Hahaha!!! Press or cry like the rest!
I built mine around a 24 inch ba hanson barrel for max velocity. The hardest part was finding an adjustable 936 gas block. I never could find a handguard that would clear the gas block.b
@@LuisMartinez-bm5zd that’s awesome. I just have so many shorter 556 setups i want 6ARC to be dedicated to the dmr setup. Basically trying to get the most out of the cartridge. A 12.5 that hits hard at 600m is super cool tho
I had a similar experience to you with a Ballistic Advantage barrel (16" SPR profile stainless 6mm ARC). Accuracy was mediocre, and the barrel was terribly overgassed. I ditched the BA barrel and swapped it for a Proof Research stainless, and it was a significant improvement. Accuracy was much improved, and the rifle became much easier to tune with a can. It's worth noting that Proof uses a Rifle length gas system on their 16" ARC barrel, vs BA's midlength. Proof worked with Hornady during the initial development of the cartridge, and seem to have tailored the chamber and gas system to Hornady's factory ammunition.
Douglas barrel by compass lake. I did a 2 shot zero and sent the 3rd out to 1k for first round impact with 30minute of drop. It held half minute the entire day
Ok I have the 6.5 Grendel and the 6 ARC in both 18" and 12.5" barrels. Your first mistake was you went with a $200 or $300 dollar premium barrel? NEVER HEARD OF IT!!! Second do not get an adjustable gas block or BCG that's throwing another problem sooner or later to happen. If you want an accurate half moa or better depending on the person 6.5 Gren or 6 ARC barrel then get a Noveske with headspaced bolt. Yes I reload but not for these calibers and I still can get quarter moa with factory ammo. If you want reliable ejection for these calibers get the VLTOR A5 buffer system with the A3 buffer and the green spring. I have used B.A. barrels before and had nothing but accuracy issues with them and will never suggest or use they're barrels again. A premium barrel is Noveske price and up hands down.
I’ve got a 12.5 Grendel I bought from psa. It has run flawlessly for about 1000 rounds. You have however piqued my interest. How would this VLTOR system improve my AR “pistol”?
@@TankUSA my 12.5" 6.5 Gren recoils about like my 14.5" 5.56. That's using the VLTOR A3 buffer. Now with that said you have to purchase the longer VLTOR A5 buffer tube and get the green spring. After it's installed you'll think your shooting a 5.56 AR.
@@TankUSA I also put together a 308 AR -10 using the Noveske 16" barrel with rifle length gas and using the VLTOR A5 buffer system and wow I can get two quick rounds off and watch the impack on my steel target and I use the three port Dead Air muzzle brake on it and my 12.5" 6.5 Gren & 6ARC.
Ditch the budget barrel in favor of something more quality like a Proof steel (or carbon if the wallet allows) or BSF barrel and get you some 108 ELD Match or the Black Hills 6 ARC ammo. Thank me later.
BA barrels are trash. I had an 18” and a 20” in Grendel and a 20” and 22” in Arc. Best I ever got was 2” at 100 yards. Switched to the Wilson Combat 18” barrels on both calibers, same rifles and now getting 1/4 to 1/2 moa.
Ballistic Advantage isn't it my guy. They are bottom tier for consistent accuracy. Try Criterion, Proof, or something similar. I LOVE the 6arc round. If you want to run race gas in your civic, get a BA barrel. Otherwise, use a quality barrel to get the results you seek. Great review - try it again with quality parts. I agree about the ammo and hope there are more factory choices this year. The 6ARC runs circles around the Grendel at distance. It's the closest you can get to a 308 in an AR15 platform.
I personally reload for the six arc, but I tried factory ammunition and the best one is Hornady black with the 105 boat tail Hollow point it prints, the best groups and is the most consistent long range
The 16” barrel really handicaps the 6ARC. The most efficient 16” cartridge is probably the 300 Hamr. The ARC rivals the 243 in bolt guns that can be built ultra light. The ARC in AR is better than 6.5 Grendel for target, the Grendel is better for hunting. Either way in a 16” it’s not a worthwhile adventure.
Did you seriously call a ballistic advantage a "very high quality barrel"? They're fine for duty guns, but come on. Go to Compass Lake Engineering and get a barrel from them (take your pick - any of them will be miles better).
Anyone who buys a Ballistic Advantage barrel and then complains about accuracy is the definition of irony. WTF did you expect? Its a 2 MOA barrel at best.
Well put. Considering how great it is on paper, I really hope the 6mm ARC doesn't go the way of the .224 Valkyrie, which came slightly before with a lot of the same promises but eventually failed to catch on at a large scale. My concern is that the established options have too great a piece of the market and do well enough that the marginal performance increases you'll realize with the new cartridges just aren't worth the price premium you pay, and manufacturers need larger scale to lower costs and pass the savings on to you. If you're paying with taxpayers' dollars and have open engagements where your opponents know your effective range, I can understand it might be appealing, but I'm very much not that guy.
I only skimmed your post, but I shoot grendel even though 5.56 meets most of my "needs" and yeah, arc is cool, but too expensive for most without any real world application.
that's why I haven't jumped on 6Arc, I don't want to be screwed like the people who went all in on Valkyrie. I'm going to wait until at least a two other companies are making 6Arc. If not, I guess I'm building a grendel
@@smalltowncop4907 reloading isn’t difficult, and store bought “match grade ammo” isn’t that good anyway. You save money and can design your own loads… Grendel isn’t cheap or easy to find either
You shouldn't be using 7.62x39 mags, you should be using 6.5 Grendel mags. That's where you're getting into trouble. Would also like to know what BCG you're using as that will also affect accuracy numbers.
The LOW recoil of 6arc is what interests me that can do 1000 yds target and long distance hunting as well. Ammo avail is limited but for reloading the sky is the limit. so seems like a great round to get into
Nice review. I tried ARC in 2020 at the Summer spike of the Plandemic. 20" barrel on a match 6.5G gun. It grouped half as well with ARC Match as with 6.5G ELD-M. AAC/PSA has just brought on 6.5G utilizing a Hornady made 123gr hunting bullet. It's about 75¢ a round for loaded ammo. I haven't tried it yet.
The 6mm arc is a great little bullet. For the money the Yankee Hills suppressor is also great. A little advice. You want to keep the scope as close to the top of the rifle without touching the objective. It allows for faster acquisition. Throw that mono mount away, and get rings( NightForce) that leave you around a 1/16" clearance under your front objective. Watch your shooting improve. You're welcome.
I’ve built a very similar build but haven’t tested accuracy yet as I’m still dialing in the adjustable gas block (which has been amazing). Thinking of changing the optic as I’m using a helos btr 2-12 and not sure I’m a big fan of it yet. Either way I used the ADM upper/lower receivers, larue trigger, BA premium spr barrel, and G$ rail. Hope I see better accuracy out of my barrel but I can always swap that down the road to a criterion or maybe even a proof but mine isn’t meant to be a bench rifle. The point of mine is a lighter weight rifle that can do more damage and reach out to longer ranges than a typical 5.56 rifle and I think the 6arc should do that well. Still, I’d want at least 1moa accuracy
I absolutely love my 6arc, I get 1/2in and better at 109yards. And on my backyard range that extends to 420y I can consistently hit a 1in dot. It has a ballistics advantage 18in 1in7 rifle length gas system and a cmc 2.5lb flat trigger.
Has anyone tried the 18" ODIN barrel/BCG? I have one and it exceeds my capabilities, which are probably not very impressive. But, I would like to hear if anyone else is running this set up, and what results you're seeing.
I don't give a rats ass about popularity. The 6MM ARC in my Aero Precision M4E1 is as good or better in real close than the M4 or the M1 Carbine. It exceeds the M4 and M1 at much longer ranges. Accuracy is outstanding, recoil is very manageable and wind drift is a significant improvement as is energy on target.
I'm doing a 6.5 Grendel build right now instead of arc but that is partially because I want to reload for it and 6.5 creed and I can use some of the bullets in both guns that way. I also like the increased energy delivered at closer ranges as its not till farther out that 6 arc really shines.
I paired a Uintah Precision 16” barrel, 6mm ARC, bolt action upper to an AR lower (just a typical 2 pin pull swap). 1st time on the range shot a .70 inch 5 rnd shot group w/ Hornady Black 105 grain .
@@gundeals So often people don’t want to spend the money so they spend half and get the best offering from a cheaper brand but a lot of times the accuracy isn’t there. Proof just makes accurate barrels no matter what caliber.
Need better mags and more ammo manufacturers to pick up this round or the 6MAX is going to eclipse it by the time it releases. I see a grim future ahead unless they get on board with it
I put a Shaw 22 inch barrel on mine and have shot 1/4 inch groups with CFE223 and hornandy 105 bthp match bullets I bought the hornandy factory ammo for the brass and it didn't shoot great but not terrible 3/4 to 1 1/2 inch groups, the real fun is taking out past 500 to 1000 yards, I also have a 20 inch 6.5 Grendel upper i put on my lower and don't get nearly the long range performance
I guess I could add a 6ARC upper to collection. It could sit in the back of my safe with my Grendel upper that I never shoot because ammo I'm just not paying that much for ammo.
It's a reloaders cartridge. I'm still at like $.25 for ball, $.55 for precision loads. I don't shoot it under 200 yards, even then 3-600 is where it shines.
@@gundeals I had thirty 300 black out barrels and every one of them had an undersized gas port. I've had several of their grendel barrels with the same issue. It wouldn't shock me if they screwed up a gas port on a new caliber they don't have an excessive experience with.
I've build my 20" proof barel on 80% lower , with 103grain ammo from Hornady I get 1/4 groups same hole 5 shots, I thought I was missing at the beginning had to double check my can , but no it was proof research barel is just amazing , brass I get on midwayusa 30$ for 50 , this price was as of sept.11.2023, Reload my own rounds using seconds bullets also from midway usa for 100 bullets 103 grain u can get them for 17$ 107 grain for 25$ . If I ever had to choose 1 ar 15 it would be chambered in 6mm arc.
I haven't run into the accuracy issues with BA barrels, currently have three 5.56 barrels which all shoot sub moa using 69 gr. SMK's. Have built three 6ARC's, 22", 20", and an 18" all of which have been sub moa with factory loads as well as my handloads. I did put an adjustable gas block on the 18" ARC which helped when shooting suppressed. Any gas gun can be twitchy when adding a suppressor so can't really fault the caliber for that. Maybe I've been lucky but that really doesn't follow my history, if I have a 50/50 chance I'm wrong 90% of the time.
So do I, reloaded cfe223, leverevolution, varget... all shoot well. Some elites DD dudes talk trash ¨mine is better than yous¨... mine shoots well and didnt pay a mega premium price for it. 20 1to7 twist, stainless steal 416R. reloading is key. Factory ammo is very dirty...
Had a Grendel but wanted more punch. This is similar to the 6mm turbo 40 degree and that’s a great round. Your accuracy issue is the BA barrel. Tried three 5.56 barrels, and none of them were better than 4.5 moa with match ammo. BA is over hyped. Get a proof or Noveske. Even the Odin works is better than BA. ASC mags or Duramag. E landers are junk.
I have a friend that has a 6 ARC with a Ballistic Advantage barrel, and he had the same kind of issues with that barrel. He had it replaced with a Wilson Combat barrel, and it tightened up his accuracy noticeably.
Dude, was this vid really made just 2 months ago? At that time I was purchasing 6mm Arc HD Black 105 BTHP at $1.16 per round in 100 to 200 round lots from multiple sources with minimal shipping Since then it has drifted more into the $23-24 per box/20 but I see already coming back down. I am disappointed with my exact same BA 16" barrel (cheeeeep not premium in any way!) getting similar MOA as you just reported. I suspect both a big variance than should be with the above ammo and a super cheep barrel as the reason. However, surprisingly, not bad at 200y-300 that I have access to with little drop and seemingly better MOA. Not sure how that works.
putting together a bit of a "parts i had laying around" gun and then poo-pooing the accuracy of a cartridge well known for accuracy isn't something i would put a lot of stock in for perspective 6arc purchasers. everything else, though, is dead on. it's expensive, hard to get, it could be a dead cartridge in a few years, and it really really really does not make a compelling case for itself vs 6.5grendel for 98% of people out there. if you ONLY wanna ring steel at a thousand...sure. if you're going to be shooting meaty things or care at all about the economics of shooting generally... most definitely not. before the evil rooskie ammo ban (and presumably again at some point in the future when we get a non-douche president) you could get wolf military classic 6.5grendel for like 27c a round. you ain't ever gonna see any 6arc for less than a buck a pop.
I have a 6 arc bolt gun and AR. They both have x-caliber barrels. I do reload and have had great success with this caliber. My bolt gun, loaded with varget and 105 grain Hornady a tips, will shoot .5 MOA at 100 yards. I am very happy with the way both guns shoot. My wife likes the light recoil of this caliber. It's a good little caliber.
2.260 is the limiting factor in all these attempts at making 5.56 obsolete. Which is why it will never happen. Step up to an sfar type ar10 now your talking huge gains .
I live in the mountains above Los Angeles. While working in Burbank, I brought my laser range finder to satisfy my curiosity. How far is the maximum line of sight in a typical American downtown suburb. Answer 300 yards. Maybe 350. That’s all. Unless you were in a 5+ story building. Naturally there be exceptions.
@@aceprater5397 you don’t make sense. Only a woman would read into what I wrote (providing basic info on max engagement distance for cqb in a city) so maybe you just confused
My nine year old daughter shoots under a half inch group with the same cartridge. That barrel has some serious issues. Better go back to the drawing board and pick some better hardware. 🙏🏻 good luck friend 😎
you may want to check your grouping without the suppressor on. That brand of suppressor may adversely affect your accuracy. To my experience with the suppressor I use it has not adversely affected accuracy. But all of the companies use proprietary baffle designs and may have different effects.
I love my 6mm arc! I have a Sgt of Arms AR, with a T-Box carbon fiber wrapped barrel, JP Enterprises bcg with silent capture buffer, and a adjustable gas block. If you're going to suppress any gun I suggest those last 2 things, especially on a 6mm ARC. Heavier buffer and choke down the gas, will take care of your suppressor issues. I run a DeadAir Sandman L on mine, with no issues, after I tuned it. Even my .223 Wylde AR, I did the same thing. Not only did it tame the bcg, but it helps tighten the group, and extend your brass usage, for reloading. This are just my suggestions, especially if you're looking at a suppressed 6mm arc.
I see signs and have great hope that 6arc keeps gaining the popularity it deserves and that ammo manufacturers realize this and increase production. The 6arc is the way forward for the AR 15 style rifle. It has had a slow start since its beginning but I hear more and more talk about it in the last 2 years especially lately.
It’s a .308 plus 200 yards in an AR package. What’s not to love!
@@toyrobotus its not a 308 by any means, but i get what your saying, more like a 243
I would also add the 6 MAX to the list, too. That will have some longevity potential, too.
@@jjgriffin3275 At long range it carries more energy than 308. It beats 243 hands down at range. Most 243 rifles cannot use the high bc bullets 6 arc is using, the twist is wrong. 308 can use pretty high bc bullets, but by the time you get into the .6 bc range you're looking at something like a 200 grain ELD-X. So yes, unless a 308 is using very special ammo it's going to beat it out in the 600+ yard range and it's going to beat 243 out past 300-400 yards every time.
Hmm, I have a great Wilson Combat set up that shoots from .4" to 1" pretty consistently with BLACK and ELDX. MATCH is about 1.25".
damn, good to hear.
I have experienced less than stellar accuracy with the precision hunter in multiple calibers. The factory ammo is cheaper than .308 and 6.5 creedmore. This is the pinnacle of the long range ar platform. Currently building one around a noveske barrel
It is definitely not cheaper than .308 or 6.5c, they both have sub $1/round options that work well.
@@gundeals 6 arc in Hornady match offerings can be had for $1.02 a round if you buy it online. 308 and 6.5 creed in match Hornady ammo is more money period.
To realize the full benefits of 6mm ARC you really do need to get a barrel from a truly "match" manufacturer. I like Ballistic Advantage for my general purpose 5.56 builds but their QC is super inconsistent and I rarely get exceptional accuracy from them. They don't replace their rifle buttons on the correct interval so the tooling leaves a lot of inconsistencies in their barrels. Some batches are good, some are crap. Your mileage will vary.
I think it's best to just stick with a common caliber, but I definitely do appreciate the info.
Something that I read and have heard about the 6 ARC isn’t about the 100 yard accuracy it’s about the accuracy further out. 100 and 200 yard distances it’s typically average.However it may just be a bad barrel. But I don’t really have a dog in the hunt since I’ve never tried it. Who knows. Great video
Thanks, I am going to hope it improves. Again it did great out to 600.
The best is ackshully the 6.9mm Federal Hornady Super Short Magnum Norma Ackley Improved Magnum.
Particularly out of a 15.99 inch barrel after a tax stamp.
I bought one in the CMMG and have since acquired hundreds of rounds for it in Hornady Black box ammo,it is really a sweet shooter,no recoil worth mentioning, accurate as can be,I've still have my 223 AR,because of ammo available anywhere you go,but this gun would replace that on ever level if not for the ammo reason,the Grendel does not keep up,the 6mm Max looks great though,for a AR size receiver rifle,your going to play hell trying to beat it,the 22 ARC is bad ass but not legal to hunt deer in my state with 22 cal.But one thing for sure I would not want to go against it with a 223 at any range from 300yrds to 1200yrds that's for sure.
I can't find a use for it either. 5.56 for combat/defense, 6.8 for hogs and 300 win mag for elk.
Dat intro musak!
Barrel wise i would call kenny @ dp gunworks. He has done the work for you with 6arc. Right now handloading is a must imo. If you do, just go with the 22 dpc wildcat from kenny. When my barrel goes thats what im going to. But i love my 6 arc. My loads are hot so a strong bolt is a must, rubber city or jp only. A adjustable gas block is a must when suppressed.
Im about to make a 6x45. I dont want to jave to fool around with soecialty brass. You can keep the xtra 150 fps. I am looking foward to cheap 223 brass with resonable price 243 bullets
The problem with a lot of these calibers is people are cheap and buy junk BA barrels.
Yeah, that's all I need is another caliber. I already have close to 30 calibers I have to stock for, and that doesn't include shotguns.
Finally! I’m building an m4e1 6 arc right now I’m stoked!!
ha, that's a cool idea.
@@gundeals I thought the lockup with the barrel may aid in accuracy possibly.
6mm max will dominate once it gains traction.
In judging the effectiveness of 6-ARC, we must be careful not to commit the fallacy of Begging the Question. And the one real question is: "Is 6-ARC superior to 5.56 ?" 🧐
I don’t comment much but I’m pretty sure I disagree with about everything you said. Not trying to be a Negative Nancy but I hate to see someone lose faith in the future of this round when it’s actually doing everything right. First of all I can buy ammo for around $20/box all day. The same ammo you were shooting. New 6MM stamped Starline brass is $60/100 and several die sets are now available for reloaders.
Secondly, there are now several (with more joining) companies making quality barrels. I just bought a backup Faxon match barrel for the short side of $250, although my original barrel was less than that and shoots lights out at distance, which around here is limited to the 700’ mark within a 3 hour drive.
The ballistics of this round PAST 700’ is the important part for choosing this round, I mean it was developed and built for exactly that characteristic and will do more than punch a hole in paper at that distance: it will drop any whitetail or hog.
Another great thing is you can still use .223 for short range practice and get pretty much the same experience as you would with your 6arc for about half the price per round. It’s not going to give inexperienced/unskilled shooters instant anything , 😂except maybe a new hole in their wallet. The AR platform for a round of this performance allows for a shooter to just buy or even build just an upper/barrel setup (and some magazines) to swap with their .223/5.56 when hunting season comes, and being legal for deer in any state that isn’t “straight wall cartridge only” only makes this round the perfect choice for lots of people, amateur and pro alike.
Thanks for putting up the content regardless. We all have our opinions and it’s important to respect that. Cheers
All my Ballistic Advantage barrels SUCK, I wont buy them ever again.....
Honestly, I'm not sure what anyone expects when they have a "hodgepodge" built rifle. You get what you pay for. Accuracy isn't cheap.
Mine isn't the most expensive rifle on the planet but it has done ok. Complete aeroprecision 24" upper (.936" barrel) sitting on top of a silencer co lower with geissele super match trigger with the jp rifles silent capture spring buffer setup. With factory brake and factory ammo it would shoot just under 1 MOA at 100 yards. Handloading with a erik cortina tuner/brake it was around .750" avg. Could it be better? Maybe. We'll find out with the new barrel and matching upper to the lower.
I think the biggest problem is folks are unrealistic about their expectations honestly. For a "combat" carbine 1.5"-2" groups at 100 yards and being able to hit minute of man at 300 yards is acceptable. (Look up accuracy requirements of mil spec rifle/carbines.) If a person wants more (especially out of a gas gun) then they really need to get specific and build a purpose built rifle.
6 ARC is a fantastic cartridge for the AR15 platform.
Dude builds 6 arc rifle with 16" barrel and then rags the cartridge because he isnt getting good ballistics😂😂😂 uses no adjustable gas block and complains about excess gas😂😂😂 uses mags not intended for cartridge and complains about reliability😂😂😂 shoots one bullet weight and complains about accuracy😂😂😂 love my 6 arc its the most accurate gun I own and I'm still shooting factory ammo.
Ballistic advantage barrels are not good for maximum accuracy.
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It's not the round, it's the barrel. BA barrels for 6ARC are terrible, just crap. So pissed I got burned on one.
Homie didn’t include information like his buffer weight, gas port size, or twist rate on the barrel. Those could all be factors for the inaccuracy. What’s the head spacing? You built a rifle, it didn’t function well, and you immediately go after the round? Bro you’re using all of the cheapest/worst magazines on the market too. Of course it’s not going to feed well. You’re using one of the cheapest 6mm arc barrels and it doesn’t group well. What do you expect?
I debated between 6mm ARC and 6.5 Grendel for the better part of a year before choosing Grendel. I was able to buy the parts for my upper for about $400. Factory ammo is also considered less expensive and more available too. On paper I still think 6mm ARC wins, especially when shooting past 1000 yards, but I don't even have a place I can shoot beyond 600 so that makes little difference to me at this point.
exactly, once cost and use case come into play I think the 6.5 grendel makes a lot more sense.
The equivalent of marrying the fat girl from highschool.
@@gundealsThats true 👍6.5mm grendel is in my opinion the 2nd best ammo for a AR 15 but much more economic😊
you chose the wrong caliber. I won't waste a SRP on any other cartridge that fits in the AR-15. I'm glad you love your Grendel but we will just keep shooting past your targets with the 6ARC - Hahaha!!! Press or cry like the rest!
After playing with both for the last year I have to go with the 6mm arc for the win
John you really should have went with an 18 or 20 inch. Maximize the reason you go with 6arc.
I built mine around a 24 inch ba hanson barrel for max velocity. The hardest part was finding an adjustable 936 gas block. I never could find a handguard that would clear the gas block.b
That’s not the reason people are buying 6arc
@@LuisMartinez-bm5zdit’s the reason I’m buying mine. 18in with a K can
@@CiviTac I have the 12.5 with a can legit my favorite set up but I am tempted to get the 18 as well for a dedicated sniper rifle
@@LuisMartinez-bm5zd that’s awesome. I just have so many shorter 556 setups i want 6ARC to be dedicated to the dmr setup. Basically trying to get the most out of the cartridge. A 12.5 that hits hard at 600m is super cool tho
I had a similar experience to you with a Ballistic Advantage barrel (16" SPR profile stainless 6mm ARC). Accuracy was mediocre, and the barrel was terribly overgassed. I ditched the BA barrel and swapped it for a Proof Research stainless, and it was a significant improvement. Accuracy was much improved, and the rifle became much easier to tune with a can. It's worth noting that Proof uses a Rifle length gas system on their 16" ARC barrel, vs BA's midlength. Proof worked with Hornady during the initial development of the cartridge, and seem to have tailored the chamber and gas system to Hornady's factory ammunition.
I love my Spade Dynamics barrel in 6 ARC and I took it out to 700 easily this summer out by Kimball. My 20" BA barrel identified as a shotgun
The first thing I thought of was my buddies BA barrel punching keyholes in paper at 100 yds.
Tumbling before impact isn’t a good thing lol
@@toyrobotus whoa. That bad...very very bad
Douglas barrel by compass lake. I did a 2 shot zero and sent the 3rd out to 1k for first round impact with 30minute of drop. It held half minute the entire day
7.62x39 mags "work" with Grendel and ARC, but... The proper(read reliable) mags are dedicated 6.5 Grendel magazines for 6ARC.
Need to pick some up.
@@gundealsI highly recommend duramag 6.5 grendel mags. I have not had an issue with feeding from them for the 6arc
you'll have to go with the lighter/shorter bullets.
Ok I have the 6.5 Grendel and the 6 ARC in both 18" and 12.5" barrels. Your first mistake was you went with a $200 or $300 dollar premium barrel? NEVER HEARD OF IT!!! Second do not get an adjustable gas block or BCG that's throwing another problem sooner or later to happen. If you want an accurate half moa or better depending on the person 6.5 Gren or 6 ARC barrel then get a Noveske with headspaced bolt. Yes I reload but not for these calibers and I still can get quarter moa with factory ammo. If you want reliable ejection for these calibers get the VLTOR A5 buffer system with the A3 buffer and the green spring. I have used B.A. barrels before and had nothing but accuracy issues with them and will never suggest or use they're barrels again. A premium barrel is Noveske price and up hands down.
I’ve got a 12.5 Grendel I bought from psa. It has run flawlessly for about 1000 rounds. You have however piqued my interest. How would this VLTOR system improve my AR “pistol”?
@@TankUSA my 12.5" 6.5 Gren recoils about like my 14.5" 5.56. That's using the VLTOR A3 buffer. Now with that said you have to purchase the longer VLTOR A5 buffer tube and get the green spring. After it's installed you'll think your shooting a 5.56 AR.
@@TankUSA I also put together a 308 AR -10 using the Noveske 16" barrel with rifle length gas and using the VLTOR A5 buffer system and wow I can get two quick rounds off and watch the impack on my steel target and I use the three port Dead Air muzzle brake on it and my 12.5" 6.5 Gren & 6ARC.
KANG this man! - he knows his shit!
Ditch the budget barrel in favor of something more quality like a Proof steel (or carbon if the wallet allows) or BSF barrel and get you some 108 ELD Match or the Black Hills 6 ARC ammo. Thank me later.
BA barrels are trash. I had an 18” and a 20” in Grendel and a 20” and 22” in Arc. Best I ever got was 2” at 100 yards. Switched to the Wilson Combat 18” barrels on both calibers, same rifles and now getting 1/4 to 1/2 moa.
Ballistic Advantage isn't it my guy. They are bottom tier for consistent accuracy. Try Criterion, Proof, or something similar. I LOVE the 6arc round. If you want to run race gas in your civic, get a BA barrel. Otherwise, use a quality barrel to get the results you seek. Great review - try it again with quality parts. I agree about the ammo and hope there are more factory choices this year. The 6ARC runs circles around the Grendel at distance. It's the closest you can get to a 308 in an AR15 platform.
I personally reload for the six arc, but I tried factory ammunition and the best one is Hornady black with the 105 boat tail Hollow point it prints, the best groups and is the most consistent long range
The 16” barrel really handicaps the 6ARC. The most efficient 16” cartridge is probably the 300 Hamr. The ARC rivals the 243 in bolt guns that can be built ultra light. The ARC in AR is better than 6.5 Grendel for target, the Grendel is better for hunting. Either way in a 16” it’s not a worthwhile adventure.
I think the 16" 6ARC is a 1000 yards setup in a short package. Maybe not as nice as a 20"+ barrel but still highly capable.
@@gundeals Of what, hitting steel? I agree. Other than that the ARC shines in a 24” bolt gun.
Did you seriously call a ballistic advantage a "very high quality barrel"? They're fine for duty guns, but come on. Go to Compass Lake Engineering and get a barrel from them (take your pick - any of them will be miles better).
I have a Compass Lake and love it. Unfortunately they no longer sell to the public.
Anyone who buys a Ballistic Advantage barrel and then complains about accuracy is the definition of irony. WTF did you expect? Its a 2 MOA barrel at best.
The premium spr line should be a 1moa barrel or better.
I'm interested in 6mm Max
Well put. Considering how great it is on paper, I really hope the 6mm ARC doesn't go the way of the .224 Valkyrie, which came slightly before with a lot of the same promises but eventually failed to catch on at a large scale. My concern is that the established options have too great a piece of the market and do well enough that the marginal performance increases you'll realize with the new cartridges just aren't worth the price premium you pay, and manufacturers need larger scale to lower costs and pass the savings on to you. If you're paying with taxpayers' dollars and have open engagements where your opponents know your effective range, I can understand it might be appealing, but I'm very much not that guy.
I only skimmed your post, but I shoot grendel even though 5.56 meets most of my "needs" and yeah, arc is cool, but too expensive for most without any real world application.
Reloading cut the cost significantly
reloaders will probably get the most out of it.
that's why I haven't jumped on 6Arc, I don't want to be screwed like the people who went all in on Valkyrie. I'm going to wait until at least a two other companies are making 6Arc. If not, I guess I'm building a grendel
@@smalltowncop4907 reloading isn’t difficult, and store bought “match grade ammo” isn’t that good anyway. You save money and can design your own loads… Grendel isn’t cheap or easy to find either
Noveske 18" 6 arc with Hornady 108s and a Dead Air Nomad. ASC mags. H1 buffer. No problems whatsoever, suppressed and unsuppressed.
You shouldn't be using 7.62x39 mags, you should be using 6.5 Grendel mags. That's where you're getting into trouble. Would also like to know what BCG you're using as that will also affect accuracy numbers.
The LOW recoil of 6arc is what interests me that can do 1000 yds target and long distance hunting as well. Ammo avail is limited but for reloading the sky is the limit. so seems like a great round to get into
If you reload, awesome.
Nice review. I tried ARC in 2020 at the Summer spike of the Plandemic. 20" barrel on a match 6.5G gun.
It grouped half as well with ARC Match as with 6.5G ELD-M.
AAC/PSA has just brought on 6.5G utilizing a Hornady made 123gr hunting bullet. It's about 75¢ a round for loaded ammo. I haven't tried it yet.
The 6mm arc is a great little bullet. For the money the Yankee Hills suppressor is also great. A little advice. You want to keep the scope as close to the top of the rifle without touching the objective. It allows for faster acquisition. Throw that mono mount away, and get rings( NightForce) that leave you around a 1/16" clearance under your front objective. Watch your shooting improve. You're welcome.
Has not been my experience. Shooting the 20in DMR, I'm getting 3/4 - 1in groups with the 108s. I'm happy with it.
I’ve built a very similar build but haven’t tested accuracy yet as I’m still dialing in the adjustable gas block (which has been amazing). Thinking of changing the optic as I’m using a helos btr 2-12 and not sure I’m a big fan of it yet. Either way I used the ADM upper/lower receivers, larue trigger, BA premium spr barrel, and G$ rail. Hope I see better accuracy out of my barrel but I can always swap that down the road to a criterion or maybe even a proof but mine isn’t meant to be a bench rifle. The point of mine is a lighter weight rifle that can do more damage and reach out to longer ranges than a typical 5.56 rifle and I think the 6arc should do that well. Still, I’d want at least 1moa accuracy
I absolutely love my 6arc, I get 1/2in and better at 109yards. And on my backyard range that extends to 420y I can consistently hit a 1in dot. It has a ballistics advantage 18in 1in7 rifle length gas system and a cmc 2.5lb flat trigger.
Since you’ve posted this video I’ve been able to find Hornady black or eldm for 1.30-1.35 per round. So this is a good trend
Has anyone tried the 18" ODIN barrel/BCG? I have one and it exceeds my capabilities, which are probably not very impressive. But, I would like to hear if anyone else is running this set up, and what results you're seeing.
I don't give a rats ass about popularity. The 6MM ARC in my Aero Precision M4E1 is as good or better in real close than the M4 or the M1 Carbine. It exceeds the M4 and M1 at much longer ranges. Accuracy is outstanding, recoil is very manageable and wind drift is a significant improvement as is energy on target.
Nice setup and review. Honest as always
I'm doing a 6.5 Grendel build right now instead of arc but that is partially because I want to reload for it and 6.5 creed and I can use some of the bullets in both guns that way. I also like the increased energy delivered at closer ranges as its not till farther out that 6 arc really shines.
I wonder if your accuracy would have better not shooting off the hood of a car, or butting it up on some wobbly 2x4's. 😂
I paired a Uintah Precision 16” barrel, 6mm ARC, bolt action upper to an AR lower (just a typical 2 pin pull swap). 1st time on the range shot a .70 inch 5 rnd shot group w/ Hornady Black 105 grain .
A good barrel helps when it comes to accuracy…… My Proof 18” 6mm ARC is very accurate with factory 108 and my hand loads
I haven't tried the proof barrels yet, but I need to.
@@gundeals So often people don’t want to spend the money so they spend half and get the best offering from a cheaper brand but a lot of times the accuracy isn’t there. Proof just makes accurate barrels no matter what caliber.
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Need better mags and more ammo manufacturers to pick up this round or the 6MAX is going to eclipse it by the time it releases. I see a grim future ahead unless they get on board with it
BA barrels are budget barrel accuracy. Expect 50/50 expectations.
I could buy that rifle for $450 bucks I don't think I want it with the price of ammunition and it won't shoot a sub moa
I put a Shaw 22 inch barrel on mine and have shot 1/4 inch groups with CFE223 and hornandy 105 bthp match bullets I bought the hornandy factory ammo for the brass and it didn't shoot great but not terrible 3/4 to 1 1/2 inch groups, the real fun is taking out past 500 to 1000 yards, I also have a 20 inch 6.5 Grendel upper i put on my lower and don't get nearly the long range performance
Get an EC tuner from Eric Cortina. Then you can run that ammo you had issues with.
Why take the word from anyone who doesn't even know the bill on a cap goes toward the front?
Aero/Ballistic Advantage barrels are questionable at best, get a better barrel and try again.
I guess I could add a 6ARC upper to collection. It could sit in the back of my safe with my Grendel upper that I never shoot because ammo I'm just not paying that much for ammo.
That is the problem
Press or cry like the rest... in other words, keep sitting on the couch while we make ammo and go shoot it.
I saw ARC drop right around the time I got into the 2A community and im like “oooh shiny” and the prices for ammo made me say ouchie
It's a reloaders cartridge. I'm still at like $.25 for ball, $.55 for precision loads. I don't shoot it under 200 yards, even then 3-600 is where it shines.
would a longer barrel help with accuacy/velocity?... is 6ARC a "barrel burner"? I have a 18" 6.5 grendel I love that thing, until it's time for ammo!
Barrel length certainly helps with velocity, but not accuracy. 6arc is not a barrel burner.
6arc won't last as long as some barrels on the market but it's not hot enough to burn barrels super fast.
Ballistic Advantage hasnt been able to solve gas issues in years.
Try an adjustable gas block, mine got a lot better velocity
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@@gundeals I had thirty 300 black out barrels and every one of them had an undersized gas port. I've had several of their grendel barrels with the same issue. It wouldn't shock me if they screwed up a gas port on a new caliber they don't have an excessive experience with.
6mm ARC is simply repackaged 6mm PPC…
I've build my 20" proof barel on 80% lower , with 103grain ammo from Hornady I get 1/4 groups same hole 5 shots, I thought I was missing at the beginning had to double check my can , but no it was proof research barel is just amazing , brass I get on midwayusa 30$ for 50 , this price was as of sept.11.2023,
Reload my own rounds using seconds bullets also from midway usa for 100 bullets 103 grain u can get them for 17$ 107 grain for 25$ . If I ever had to choose 1 ar 15 it would be chambered in 6mm arc.
high quality barrel LMFAO...
I had the same results with the Ballistic Advantage barrel terrible accuracy. Would not recommend their barrel to anyone.
I haven't run into the accuracy issues with BA barrels, currently have three 5.56 barrels which all shoot sub moa using 69 gr. SMK's. Have built three 6ARC's, 22", 20", and an 18" all of which have been sub moa with factory loads as well as my handloads. I did put an adjustable gas block on the 18" ARC which helped when shooting suppressed. Any gas gun can be twitchy when adding a suppressor so can't really fault the caliber for that. Maybe I've been lucky but that really doesn't follow my history, if I have a 50/50 chance I'm wrong 90% of the time.
I have their 20"SS416R, it shoots well.
Good to hear, what ammo?
So do I, reloaded cfe223, leverevolution, varget... all shoot well. Some elites DD dudes talk trash ¨mine is better than yous¨... mine shoots well and didnt pay a mega premium price for it. 20 1to7 twist, stainless steal 416R. reloading is key. Factory ammo is very dirty...
ARC = Another Redundant Cartridge
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Why not use Grendel mags?
Had a Grendel but wanted more punch. This is similar to the 6mm turbo 40 degree and that’s a great round. Your accuracy issue is the BA barrel. Tried three 5.56 barrels, and none of them were better than 4.5 moa with match ammo. BA is over hyped. Get a proof or Noveske. Even the Odin works is better than BA. ASC mags or Duramag. E landers are junk.
I have a friend that has a 6 ARC with a Ballistic Advantage barrel, and he had the same kind of issues with that barrel. He had it replaced with a Wilson Combat barrel, and it tightened up his accuracy noticeably.
hmm, good to hear.
Sponsors, please send this man 3-5k rounds, I want to see how the bolts hold up
That would be cool.
Dude, was this vid really made just 2 months ago? At that time I was purchasing 6mm Arc HD Black 105 BTHP at $1.16 per round in 100 to 200 round lots from multiple sources with minimal shipping Since then it has drifted more into the $23-24 per box/20 but I see already coming back down. I am disappointed with my exact same BA 16" barrel (cheeeeep not premium in any way!) getting similar MOA as you just reported. I suspect both a big variance than should be with the above ammo and a super cheep barrel as the reason. However, surprisingly, not bad at 200y-300 that I have access to with little drop and seemingly better MOA. Not sure how that works.
putting together a bit of a "parts i had laying around" gun and then poo-pooing the accuracy of a cartridge well known for accuracy isn't something i would put a lot of stock in for perspective 6arc purchasers. everything else, though, is dead on. it's expensive, hard to get, it could be a dead cartridge in a few years, and it really really really does not make a compelling case for itself vs 6.5grendel for 98% of people out there. if you ONLY wanna ring steel at a thousand...sure. if you're going to be shooting meaty things or care at all about the economics of shooting generally... most definitely not. before the evil rooskie ammo ban (and presumably again at some point in the future when we get a non-douche president) you could get wolf military classic 6.5grendel for like 27c a round. you ain't ever gonna see any 6arc for less than a buck a pop.
I have a 6 arc bolt gun and AR. They both have x-caliber barrels. I do reload and have had great success with this caliber. My bolt gun, loaded with varget and 105 grain Hornady a tips, will shoot .5 MOA at 100 yards. I am very happy with the way both guns shoot. My wife likes the light recoil of this caliber. It's a good little caliber.
Havent shot my 6arc yet but cant wait! 16" proof ss, cmc trigger, 13" strike ind handguard & goodies, anderson lower. A2 birdcage (gotta replace that). 3-12x56 Burris ill, Leupold cantilever mount.
2.260 is the limiting factor in all these attempts at making 5.56 obsolete. Which is why it will never happen. Step up to an sfar type ar10 now your talking huge gains .
The BA 20¨ 1-7 twist 416R is a good barrel. It shoots well for me.
ASC Crap!!! ✅Your problem! Crappy bolt doesn’t help either.
were you using a type 1 or type 2 bolt? BA barrels require type 2...and if you were using a type 1 you may have had headspace issues.
should be a type 2.
@@gundeals Exactly...Just confirming yours was because I have had better experiences with BA barrels
where do you shoot in South Dakota? West River or East River?
Did you happen to chrono this 16" barrel?
I live in the mountains above Los Angeles. While working in Burbank, I brought my laser range finder to satisfy my curiosity. How far is the maximum line of sight in a typical American downtown suburb. Answer 300 yards. Maybe 350. That’s all. Unless you were in a 5+ story building. Naturally there be exceptions.
quit crying or move to a free state. problem solved.
@@aceprater5397 you don’t make sense. Only a woman would read into what I wrote (providing basic info on max engagement distance for cqb in a city) so maybe you just confused
I sure learned a lot reading the comments. Thanks guys.
I got a .65 group with the upper I bought from you today, doubt I'll see that again but it sure was cool
That's what I would hope to get!
where do you shoot at ... i have a savage switchback in 6 arc on order . been shotting grendel for a feww years love it
i live in ne south dakota
I drive to the Grasslands south of pierre.
😳 get rid of that trash barrel!
My nine year old daughter shoots under a half inch group with the same cartridge. That barrel has some serious issues. Better go back to the drawing board and pick some better hardware. 🙏🏻 good luck friend 😎
you may want to check your grouping without the suppressor on. That brand of suppressor may adversely affect your accuracy. To my experience with the suppressor I use it has not adversely affected accuracy. But all of the companies use proprietary baffle designs and may have different effects.
where in sd are you at ?
Sioux falls ish
@@gundeals same here lol
According to your opinion. would you go for a 1:8 or 1:7 barrel twist ratio?
1:7ish
Quality build. QPR
Hodge podge of parts?