SOO much DUST! E63 OEM vs EBC RedStuff pads PLUS HOW-to do your front brakes!
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2021
- This video shows you how I changed my Front pads in a w212 E63, saving myself literally $1000s!
PLUS, do EBC RedStuff pads dust less than OEM?
Front pads: EBC Brakes DP31939C Redstuff Ceramic Low Dust Brake Pad
Rear pads: EBC Brakes DP32117C Ceramic Brake Pad
want some truly dust free brake pads for your e63? check out my latest video
• Full DIY w212 e63 BRAK...
The MB specific doc is AR42.10-P-007CMG, at the bottom it list: "bolt, brake caliper/brake caliper support to steering knuckle m12 115 M14 180Nm
So the 180nm should be the bigger bolt to the knuckle and the 115nm its likely the caliper to bracket bolts
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Man thanks for the kind words! I don't know if it ever will, but hopefully it helps some of you guys. Thanks for watching
Was looking on the ol RUclips to find pads and rotors for my Mercedes that reduces brake dust and brought me to your channel. You've got some very well done content that I feel doesn't get the credit it deserves! I hope your channel flourishes man!
Thanks! It's funny what catches on on yt, and what doesn't. All about their algorithm. Anyway, hope these vids help out others, even if it's only 17 people lol
Thanks for the video. I've had other cars with similar brake dust issues. I do have the Carbon Ceramic Brakes (CCBs) on my 2018 E63s. Zero brake dust. I mean none what so ever. When I was the car I just give the wheels a spray to dust them off and run over them with my mitt at the end when I've finished the rest of the car, then rinse and let dry.
Mainly posting this to let other folks know so that if they have a choice in a future purchase, particularly on a used E63 or similar car where you're not paying the full ~$9500 cost of the CCBs up front, that this is a great side benefit of the CCBs. I purchased mine with CCBs for the fade resistance in case I track the car, but also because I drive it pretty hard on nearby mountain roads.
Tried ceramic pads on one of my other cars and it does cut down on the dust, but I'm not so happy with their stopping performance.
Used to road race motorcycles and EBC was one of my sponsors and I always had great performance from their pads, so maybe I'll give them a try on my other vehicle.
Very helpful...chock full of great how to info. First thing I noticed when I went to wash the wheels, extreme dust. Thanks.
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!!! Literally 0 videos for the c63s front break pads this is the same set up. I’m gonna make a video now
One thing that you may not have considered that may have had an effect on the outcome of the test is that one side is more worn than the other. This could lead to the ebc brake pad with more thickness to come into contact with the rotor more frequently or more intensity than the worn oem pad. For this test to be fair you would need to test only new brake pads. Even with new brake pads, having mismatched brake pad compounds (left side one brake pad and right side another) could also have an effect on how the car distributes pressure as it is an intelligent electronic abs system, potentially applying additional pressure to the pad with less friction or vice versa, this could skew results in favor of one of the brake pads tested.
Great video man!
Thanks buddy, hope it helped
Switched my breaks on my 16’ GLE63s thanks to this.
GLE63S, had worst break ever in front, go with Brembo M8 are available for this car, I upgraded on my car. Note the pads you can install M3 pads F80 or go with Endless great pads.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Really appreciate the honesty in this video, felt a bit like Project Farm watching this! 😀 Thanks for the review as always. I think it creates loads of dust because it’s just a big heavy car with awesome brakes. Every time I’ve driven a w212 E63 I’ve just been shocked by how good the brakes are. Comes at the cost of dust no doubt 🤪
This is true, I had another friend recommend power stop ceramic pads. I may try those next.
Love your videos
Glad they are helping so many people. Thanks for watching !
Thank You for this....
This helps.... If the reds dust... I'm gonna stick with Yellows. More bite, higher temp tolerance and probably the same amount of dust.
I did first the same change on my GLC 300, installed EBC redstuff, but was very disappointed with the brake dust. Changed to ATE ceramic which I had experience from my other car. If the purpose is to remove the brake dust, then ATE ceramic is the right one.
You make extremely good DIY videos, hope you keep it up.
Great info, on my current E63 I ended up doing the power stop z26 pads, and I cannot say enough good things about them. Pedal feel and performance is all great, but the best part is there's literally no dust, I never have to wash my wheels
Thanks for the tips, will definitely keep it in my mind, .
@ExoticCarDIY how are you liking them after a month since this post?
@@metakmoto I cover the power stop pads in my 390mm video
It's been a year actual. I love them... All pros, no cons
They are the z23 version
What would you say about the brake performance redstuff vs. ate ceramic?
Wanted to buy the redstuff, because of the ggod performance and low dust.
But what to read and to watch here, is not as good as I thought.....
One of the reason is why benz gets a alot of brake dust is because they use semi metallic brakes rather than ceramic brake pads..
Love the car, just picked up one myself. Fitment isn’t the best stock tho, what are you running front and rear to get that flush look...any spacers? Im lowered on kw performance springs but isn’t enough and rear gap is terrible
Im running 10mm H&R spacers in the rear only with H&R 40mm bolts. IMO is perfect. stock bolts are 27mm,
I always stick to oem pads. Brake dust is inevitable. Great video 👍🏽 love the e63s 😍
Thanks for watching man, I appreciate the input, stock pads are on there right now lol
I use posi quiet ceramic. Works great and almost no dust
Brake dust is not inevitable at all. Bad information starting with always stick to OEM!
checking in with you, the caliper bolts are 180 nm? so ~130ft lbs torque? I've never done brakes in my life but about to do them next weekend. considering lug nuts are 110 ft lbs, seems like this is pretty tight, can you confirm this? and is it difficult to get this torqued while car is lifted? (don't have lift, so will be on jacks)
Straight from the WIS, sounds really high doesn't it? I'll be completely honest, there are definitely some things that absolutely require a torque wrench, but speaking from 25 years of doing this and being a certified aviation mech... most everything else "good and tight" is IMO a better option. Ive seen manufacture instructions have wrong numbers before.
The MB specific doc is AR42.10-P-007CMG, at the bottom it list: "bolt, brake caliper/brake caliper support to steering knuckle m12 115 M14 180Nm
So the 180 should be the bigger bolt to the knuckle and the 115 its likely the caliper to bracket bolts
Is it possible the break in coating caused additional dust? My OEM brake pads make it almost impossible to keep my wheels clean and I also changed my driving habits to minimize brake use especially from high speeds which takes away the fun of having nice brakes… annoying!
So drive them for about 800 miles, then I pulled the wheels, inspected the pads to make sure the coating was gone. I cleaned the wheels and drove them again for the test you see later in the video.
It's frustrating, it's like you don't mind having to clean your wheels every few weeks, but with these one drive and they're totaled lol
I have Carbotech pads on mine, they're pricey but they dust 60% less than stock pads. I hated cleaning my wheels every time after a short drive on stock pads, now I just wipe them down every few other weeks with Carbotech's.
I may try those next. First I am going to try ceramic coating the wheels.
Hello, so I was looking for tie rods on my w212. What brand do you recommend?
Akebono will leave a little white brake dust that you cannot see BUT they do not stop as well(lower friction coefficent) EBC will stop you in a shorter distance. If you want performance then go with EBC If you want appearance the get Akebono.
I've run akebono pads in several of my other cars, unfortunately they do not make a pad for this e63.
I have an updated video though, end up going with power stop z23 pads and have nothing but good things to say about them, performance and feel is great, and they absolutely zero dust
I'm curious about the stopping power/bite and how these would compare to Powerstop Z23 carbonfiber/cermaic pds for 1/3 the price. Lots of positive reviews regarding those pads as well. Thanks for the vid.
It's actually funny /crazy,/almost creepy LOL you mentioned that....
I literally ordered a set of Z23s yesterday and will be installing them hopefully this weekend along with the 390mm upgrade
@@ExoticCarDIY I read your mind! I purcahsed both EBC and Z23 for my vehicle, but I'm on the fence and leaning more towards the Z23 due to cost and many reviews saying they are equivalent in bite/stopping power to EBC. Granted, I have seen many reviews saying that the initial bite isn't as good as semimetallic since it is a ceramic pad, but that should theoretically be the same with the EBC redstuff since also a ceramic.
@@kassem277 cool, I guess we'll find out here shortly
Hey bro quick question I have a 2020 c43 amg but I had to change the brakes but my mechanic told me to use cheaper brake pads like from advance auto parts and they work perfectly fine should I still change them to the stock pads or just leave them?
There are a lot of options obviously, and there's not really anything wrong with the store brand pads. They are generally manufactured by well-known companies anyway. But you'll find that they're still multiples to choose from. Ceramics are generally considered to be the best all around pads. But nothing wrong with the semi metallic other than dust. You really kind of just have to check out the reviews of them.
@@ExoticCarDIY thanks bro I been using them for about a week now and there really not bad at all I just don’t know if I should go back to the original pads for a couple extra bucks
@@airstax i am about to go from OEM to something else and was thinking for yellow/red ones, not bc of the dust but i expect more bite performance, what is your opinion? Thanks
The takeaway for me is that the stock pads are low dust and quite good and the red stuffs are comparable. Compared to many of the cheaper pads the Red Stuff is fantastic both on performance, noise and dust. Your rim style is open so there is going to be dust on the rims no matter what. You want the pads to wear out not the rotors so dust will happen.
The coating on the EBC pads is a sandpaper it eats the hell out of your discs until the new pad sands your disc flat. So its difficult to say. Maybe in a year.
Thank you for your "sacrifice" :D Guess I am going to look elsewhere for Ceramic pads to get rid of the dust. I have Ceramic Akebono on my other car and I can basically wash without touching the wheels(white wheels mind yo) and it is clean.
You say the Powerstop pads are great?
Yep, check out my recent 390 mm brake video, 100%, please with the power stop pads
Clean inside calipers. Then it doesn’t wash through your brakes when you do drive in the rain. Leaks show up more easily, etc. Not criticizing though; well made How-To video! Thanks for posting. Was interested in the dust factor.
That's a good tip. I actually have never driven it in the rain. Not because I'm crazy lol, just saves cleaning time.
Bottom line: you gotta sweet rig.
Interesting! I took those breaks out of my Amazon cart just now! Im bummed because how do I get rid of the brake dust?! Maybe just ceramin coat it? This brake dust is so annoying for my E63 as well
Yeah I was disappointed. I've had good luck with the armor All Teflon spray for wheels in the past. I will likely just ceramic coat them and see how well the dust just sheds off.
*brakes
Ceramic ftw. Posi quiet ceramic. I’m not sure if they make it for amg but you should try it if they do. They’re inexpensive too
I'll check em out
I was hoping for a positive outcome. Have you given any thought into Hawk pads?
I used hawk pads on my Camaro years ago, they always seem to be a good trackpad, I don't remember them being good at dust however. Right now I'm just back on stock OEM pads. Still looking.
@@ExoticCarDIY Appreciate the follow up. I once made a huge mistake and installed Power Stop carbon ceramic pads on my Hellcat. Dust problem went away and so did the braking. By the way, love your E63.
@@dcpatters0 as a general rule of thumb... Pads that work good, dust bad lol... There are few exceptions, hopefully I'll find that one for this car
you didn't have to reset anything once you changed the brakes and if you change the rotors?
Nope, nothing to reset.
Remember, there is a breakwear sensor on the passenger side. If your brakes are worn down enough that it trips the sensor, the sensor will have to be replaced.
Well what has better stopping power?
I did several aggressive stupid and did not notice any difference.
The Red Stuff pads in particular are marketed as very low dust so thats strange. But maybe it just goes to show you how good mercedes OEM pads are! Mercedes certainly doesn't cheap out on components. But more important than brake dust, is how about brake bite, brake fade, longevity, compared to OEM?
Agree, I do think there's more than just pad material going on here, like I mentioned in the video, I think Mercedes designed these brakes to slightly drag for pedal response or whatever. I had another guy message me saying that he had excellent results with power stops ceramics, I might try it, although I'm not a huge fan of power stop
Hey man how can I install w212 AMG front calipers on w212 e550?
I've never done it, but it should be as simple as buying 360mm rotors, e63 calipers and brackets
Hawk 5.0 pads for decent performance and low dust.
You have to use OEM on one side and EBC on the other side for even test because front brakes always dust more than rear.
If youre still looking 2 years later, I got good results with Hawk HPS 5.0
I'm running 390mm rotors now with power stop z26 pads... No dust at all. Love them
And what's your experience with hawk?
TRW or EBC Redstuff Ceramic ?
In the video I tried ebc redstuff, no change imo. Next I'm going to try Rado or powerstop ceramic. I've heard good things
From the colour of the dust and since the EBC are ceramics and you did not follow their bedding process I think you did a premature judgement call saying the EBC red are not low dust . What you saw is your old OE pad material still being cleaned by the EBC pad . To be sure do follow the bedding process of the EBC .
good video though
I actually followed to procedure exactly as their website advises. It took a long time as I described in the video.
100 miles light use 30-50mph
250 light to medium, no hard stops
100-200 miles of steady driving
Then 10. 60-10 stops, cooling between.
That's exactly what I did
Try Akebono brake pads.
I've used akebonos in my other cars, and they work great. Unfortunately I do not make them for a W212 e63
Ebc redstuff brake pads are no low dust like they said on website 😡
I think what they mean to say is out of there several selections they are the lower dust option. (red versus green versus yellow etc) I'll still go back to what I kind of mentioned in the video, I think the reason that dust is an issue would basically any pad you put on these, is because the pads are almost always constantly touching the rotor. I mean, most people on the forums say they're only getting 20,000 miles out of set of e63 pads, on contrast, my wife's SUV has gone almost 60,000 miles and the pads are half-life.
God yes, it is horrible. I do the same thing by not trying to touch the brakes.
Lots of down shifting and coasting. Lol
I did yellow stuff on my car
How do you like them?
@@ExoticCarDIY the brake dust is still bad but great pads, next time I’ll get pads and rotors from FCP euro, life time replacements!
, I haven’t watched your ceramic coating video yet, but you should do a wheels off cleaning and ceramic coating video,
No brake pads for low dust, all is fake!!
Brake in coating dusts more. Come on man
Obviously you have no clue, and didn't watch the vid . 11:45 I explain I fully bedded them exactly per EBC instructions l, which ended up being about a 1000 miles... THEN I cleaned the wheels, then I did the dust analysis.
Redstuff scam
EBC pads garbage, oem pads or Endless other pads are garbage, don't waste money.
If you want low dust brake pads switch to PowerStop ceramic brake pads, they also manufacture carbon fiber brake pads. I own C63 AMG base model with silver brakes, no front carbon fiber pads for silver brakes. Switching to the ceramic brake pads there is much less dust.
Model number and year reflects C63 AMG. Rear pads are dependent on the tab design, check part numbers to ensure your rear pad is correct.
Red brakes front only
Z26 STREET PERFORMANCE CARBON-FIBER CERAMIC BRAKE PADS
Front, Part No. Z26-1291
Red brakes front & rear, silver rear
Z23 EVOLUTION SPORT CARBON-FIBER BRAKE PADS
Red Front, Part No. Z23-1291
2018-2021 Rear, Part No. Z23-1681
2016-2017 Rear, Part No. Z23-1669
2015 Rear, Part No. Z23-1450
Z17 EVOLUTION CERAMIC BRAKE PADS
Red Front, Part No. 17-1291
Silver Front, Part No. 17-1873
2018-2021 Rear, Part No. 17-1681
2016-2017 Rear, Part No. 17-1669
2015 Rear, Part No. 17-1450