There have been so many wonderful comments on this video, thank you all so much. Unfortunately some cowards have decided to reply to people talking about their own abortion experiences in the comments to question their decisions. Apparently they didn't read the title of this vid! Very sorry to anyone who receives a reply like this. We will delete them as soon as we see them! You don't have to explain anything, to anyone x
@@mo.ka.9661 absolutely awful for you to criticize a woman who obviously had to make a hard decision. women are not obligated to go through a forced pregnancy so please think about what youre saying before you say it
@@mo.ka.9661 criticism of what? this stems from your own personal belief that life begins the second the sperm enters the vagina and youre being hostile to somebody (who has different beliefs) because of that? youre being totally unrealistic of the reality that people who have pregnancies sometimes get pregnant by mistake and its immoral to force people to go through the traumatic process of pregnancy. too many real born actual children are disregarded despite this and its gross. this is like forcing religion onto people and i think we shouldnt argue philosophy/semantics and instead just try to help living breathing born people.. the parents... instead of a theoretical child
@@mo.ka.9661 and of course i dont think shes immune from criticism but your criticism is attacking her character because of a realistic choice that had to be made. you could at least be respectful
My wife was put through hell when pregnancy troubles led to her having to get an abortion, the hospital in our city turned her down because "not feeling comfortable" due to their personal beliefs. We got told to go to the next city over (about an hour away), there she got examined again and they agreed that yes an abortion was called for however they had to get permission from the hospital's bishop, needless to say she was denied despite the risk to her life. Then we got told to go to our State capital where they induced labor (very painful for my wife who never was pregnant before) after hours and hours the abortion was done but then my wife had to be rushed off to surgery to remove the placenta that didn't come out and get a blood transfusion cause she lost so much (I had never seen so much blood everywhere). Worst experience of our lives, took years to process the whole ordeal. Btw we live in the US if it wasn't obvious. I always get angry when people act as though an abortion is a easy choice and event to go through.
That pacifist line in saga really pissed me off. My grandad was a total pacifist. He went to prison for being a conscientious objector during WW2, did hard labour, was beaten up numerous times because of it. He completely believed in a woman's choice right up until he died in 1990.
I think it would have rang false if Marco was like "wooo, women's right" and didn't have any misgivings about abortion. He has conflicting beliefs, like all people. That makes him three dimensional.
The worst anti-abortion argument I've heard(and I hear it a lot) is "if you had been aborted how would you feel" I literally would not be around to feel anything
In general, sadness for non-existent people doesn't make any sense. I mean, there's uncalculatably more of them than existing people. Every time someone conceives, that's like 50 millionish potential people that didn't happen. No one is sad about all that didn't-turn-into-people potential dna combinations.
I hate when people say, “If the woman doesn’t want the baby, why can’t she just carry it to full term then put it up for adoption?” That’s not a compromise. That’s a one sided deal that will result in more pain and expenses.
What I find particularly stupid about that argument is that you could use it to be against anything that isn't unprotected sex. "How would you feel if your parents had used protection?" or even more abstract but equally as valid "How would you feel if your parents hadn't had sex that day and conceived you?" it's literally arguing in favor for every potential human being above the life of the parents.
so interesting! i got pregnant from my abusive boyfriend, he did it on purpose and wanted me to have it. i wasn't having that and i'm grateful every day that i got it terminated. i would have a 6 year old now. i live in my mum's attic and am on disability for bipolar 2, so that would've been very bad.
I had something similar to that happen when I was 19. I have cerebral palsy and scoliosis. He would make a show of putting on the condom and then roll it back to just the tip. I didn't know this until it came off inside me. I used the morning after pill, but I was affected by it for a long time. I think he was trying to get me pregnant to keep me with him. After we broke up, he immediately impregnated 2 other women
Donnathan Dogestar you realize child birth isn’t easy and Infact can be life threatening. Your sorrow for a non existent person is unjustified and so is your anger. I’d also like to mention that most people adopted get put into abusive households or don’t get adopted. Maybe do a reality check on yourself and replace your anger on the man who forced her to be pregnant because technically it’s rape.
@@glocktaivious8825 so go off all my meds cold turkey and kill myself, or take my meds and poison the fetus? And did I mention my heavy drinking? And why would I want to pass on my shitty crazy genes to an innocent child? Have you ever been pregnant?
you're absolutely right, the prominence of the 'protagonist chooses to keep the baby against all odds' depicts the decision over abortion as a test of character: if you abort, you're lazy, weak-willed, thoughtless, irresponsible, etc. Even though the main reason people choose to have abortions is because they know that choosing to raise the baby in their current circumstances would be the MORE irresponsible choice.
carolina hernandez how is that hypocritical? It’s hypocritical to believe that there’s a difference between a foetus and a living breathing child? Really dude??
carolina hernandez .... no you didn’t. You just confirmed there are “huge differences” at different stages of human development. So where exactly is the hypocrisy coming in ?? Also you’re really rude.
carolina hernandez you just completely repeated your last comment ... there is no hypocrisy between being pro abortion and also anti murder. Because foetuses are not people. That distinction is kinda important...
carolina hernandez good god, you are so fucking rude Carolina. What makes you think you’re entitled to anyone’s good faith response to you after swearing your head off at them and personally insulting them simply for disagreeing with you? My question still stands : how is it hypocritical to be pro-abortion and also anti-murder, since foetuses and children are not the same thing? Just because theres ALSO a difference between children and adults proves absolutely nothing - that argument is painfully ridiculous. You really don’t see how both adults and children’s can both be counted as living breathing sentient beings, but we might count foetuses and embryos and zygotes in a separate category ?? Are you _really_ struggling that much to see why those two things might be different ?? You seem to be contradicting yourself a million different ways, either repeating my exact point while somehow acting like you’re still right, and more importantly, just speaking extremely aggressively and blatantly rudely to total strangers who may have been willing to hear you out if you engaged in a good faith manner. Hope your week goes better than it’s apparently been going so far, lmao.
In BoJack Horseman, after all the abortion story with sxetina, Diane tells Princess Caroline, a character who really wished for a child but wasn't able to have one, that she wasn't sure if she did the right thing because she wasn't young and unable to care for her child and that she was aware of people trying to conceive and failing. I like that in that moment PC tells Diane that she doesn't have to apologize to anyone and that she supported her decision even if she came from another walk of life.
I liked that part too, as often the PL side acts as thought the PC side is disrespectful to women who struggle with infertility, I know there was a bit of a snide comment from Princess Carolyn about Diane's fertility but she agreed in the end it was her decision and not her responsibility to breed children for other people
*spoiler warning for the movie grandma* I'm extremely surprised you didn't mention the movie "Grandma". Its movie about a girl who needs help from her grandmother for money for an abortion after becoming pregnant from her asshole boyfriend. They go on an adventure to get the money and the girl finds out her grandmother had an abortion as well and what led to the split of her and her ex husband. They finally get the money and the abortion with no regrets and just go home like normal. It really well depicts what I believe men's entitlement to women's bodies when they are pregnant and the financial struggle of abortion.
Wow! at that woman harassing that little kid in the snow. WTH? What is up with some “adults”. Good on that man to help normalize the word abortion and protect his kid with calm responses.
I got lost in a city at 13, I live in a small town and was very confused. I was scared and hurt. I saw the planed Parenthood building and went there. I was taught "if your lost go to a woman with kids" this was the best I could do so late at night. They got me home, safe, and happy. They even gave me a lollipop and some bandages. Defunding planed parenthood takes away saftey and heath for both male and female people. What about my moms cancer screenings? What about my regular heath problems? What about the people who don't want kids. Rape victims, domestic abuse, poor people, busy people, and just people who just don't want a fucking demon.
Really wanted to be mad at her for harassing a *literal child*, but then again I can see why that wouldn't be an ethical issue for her, seeing as that child was probably out of diapers before she was
I had to pause the video and laugh at that, it's such a hilarious response to such a belligerent and unreasonable person who honestly probably needed the cops called on them.
The music's pretty good too I mean the actual 50s music not the horrid Time of My Life stuff. There's also positive representation of working class people and the male lead recognising his own exploitation.
How does the gun woman manage to upload videos so consistently where she is so so clearly the worst person in the room dhshdhsjd In Ireland the anti-choice movement really shot themselves in the foot with similar tactics, they put up gross images around schools and towns which resulted in lots of otherwise "neutral" people who wouldn't have voted at all, go for pro-choice
Kaitlin Gunnut does get owned on a regular basis though. So often that people have kinda speculated she gets off on it. That said I hate how she's hectoring a dad in front of his young child - I'm not sure abortion is something you should be talking about in front of little kids.
@@EmoBearRights personally disagree re: abortion being talked about around children - sex education is generally important, and it's good to teach children non-harmful messages before they get a chance to encounter harmful ones (so teaching them that abortion is okay is better than them absorbing anti-choice propoganda, teaching them about racism and why it's bad is better than them absorbing racism from their peers, etc.) THAT SAID, harassing a child about any topic (including ~The Number One Cause Of Death~) is definitely fucked up and wrong. don't do that
@@goroakechi6128 Im nonbinary, but I am AFAB as well and it is also one of my worst fears, especially since I am attracted to men. Pregnancy comes right up behind not being able to get a hysterectomy in general, because my main source of dysphoria is my menstrual cycles and I cant imagine living the rest of my life suffering every month like this. I have tried birth control to control my cycles so far, but it ended up making everything 10 times worse and almost ruined my halloween last year, and unless i can find something that ISNT testosterone that will mostly stop them (with no "leaking" or "spotting") then I might not make it that far into adulthood because I seriously cant handle living like this for the rest of my life. sorry if its weird i said so much
You sir have my respect. I have tokophobia as a woman, so I only imagine how much worse that fear is as a man. Glad you the medical attention you needed.
16 and Pregnant had a really interesting episode of a mom featured on the show previously who found out she was pregnant again about two years after the first pregnancy. The episode went through the teen mom and her boyfriend's financial situation and the possibility of keeping the child. In the end they picked to abort the child and they expressed their feeling on their new reality. I really appreciated MTV airing this episode, it really opened my mind on the other side of teen pregnancy while I was in high school.
It's a shame the episode is so hard to find now. They only aired it once, and I'm not sure if it's available legally online anywhere. I had to jump through hoops to find it a few years ago.
My niece is still a little person (just 2), and her mother is already shouting from the tallest tower that her girl will NEVER be pregnant out of wedlock, and she'll scorch the earth the make sure of that (she has also said "You're gonna be such a good mommy!" because the child plays with dolls....like all children do). It's frightening to me that we put such big expectations into someone who can't even recite her colors and shapes. Maybe she will have an abortion (I'll set up the appointment and drive her there), maybe she won't..........she's 2!! Just let her grow and see who she becomes.
Maybe she's a lesbian and will not even ever have sex with a man, so many things a 2 year old may grow up into becoming that you are absolutely right, pushing such expectations is just wrong. Seems like the mother wants the child to be basically her all over again.
In my country (Poland) abortion is only legal if the pregnancy is dangerous for you or it is a result of sexual crime. Just now, a few days before the presidential election and in the midst of covid-19 they are exacerbating it. Two days ago I protested against homophobic slurs used by the current president, o Thursday I'm gonna protest against the new abortion laws. I was always against the right-wing ruling party in but now I am more and more worried about my country, especially women and the LGBT community.
I am very angry at all those teen dramas and romantic comedies. Even tho NOBODY wants the baby, can raise a baby or have the correct conditions to have it they decide to keep it. Almost everytime. That's why I love Maeve in Sex education. She considers her condition and comes to the correct conclusion that she needs to have a abortion. Yes kids are blessings but abortion can be blessing too.
SamuraiShizuo she’s talking about the characters and the decisions they made. How is praising someone for coming to the “correct conclusion” not implying that the others made the wrong decision?
@@SamuraiShizuo it IS actual people though. I personally know two people like that -they got pregnant young, weren't financially stable and needed help, but decided to keep it. They are both very happy with their decisions and both are and were at the time of the pregnancy vocally pro-choice. They just made a choice for themselves to keep the baby (I'm talking less than 5 years ago so not really a lifetime ago). I agree with everything that's being said in the video and am pro choice myself (don't know what I'd do in that situation since I'm lucky enough that I never had an unwanted pregnancy, or a pregnancy at all luckily, and the thought makes me panic). But let's not demonize what other people capable of getting pregnant would do or have done by saying they were stupid to keep it or that it's the WRONG choice. Neither choice is right or wrong in absolute terms, there's only the right choice for the pregnant person and people need to respect whatever that choice might be :)
@@malory1444 did you watch the show? if somebody is in a situation where they cannot provide for a childs basic needs and they end up neglected, willingly or not, you should not have a child.
God as a let's just say nonbinary trans woman this discussion is so bizarre for me, because it is virtually impossible I will ever get pregnant it is so difficult to do so for me, and I was raised with extremely forced-birth positions. So honestly between never having to deal with the problem of contraception and pregnancy, and being raised with that propaganda, I naturally took the "It's not my business, and even if I could have an abortion I wouldn't", but I see now that that position was still flawed, and I believe I'll be more outspokenly in support of abortion now.
In all seriousness tho this video resonated with me a surprising amount considering I’m a lesbian who’s never had an abortion. Pregnancy has always been a scary concept to me and the idea of getting an abortion is even scarier even tho I know that’s what I’d do if I ever somehow got pregnant. Idk what else to say except thank u for making this video. There aren’t nearly enough honest takes on this topic and I can’t imagine what it must feel like to share ur experience. Idk how to end this uhhh be gay do crimes be nice to customer service workers trans rights
I always liked how Crazy Ex Girlfriend handled Paula’s abortion. When you really think about the statistics it’s surprising that more shows and movies don’t address mothers or older women getting abortion.
Also feels a bit rare that the family being Catholic wasn't treated as *the* point of ideological conflict... It influenced how Paula felt about it, but so did her career, and her needs, and how it would affect the household.
@@CatofManyFaces apparently they meant to have Nick be seen as the bad guy but didn't do a good job of presenting it in that first comic. In later ones he's much more clearly shown as the villian for trying to get in the way of Judy's new lesbian relationship
Right! I’m not even ace or non-binary, but pregnancy terrifies and brings on the most severe feelings of discomfort for me. I respect people who were able to go through it, but man 😅 It.. 😅😅😅😅😅 *anxiety intensifies*
You don't have to be ace or non-binary to be terrified of getting pregnant. Its not a natural state of people who are the opposite of you to be all cool with the concept of getting pregnant.
The show "Letterkenny" actually has a great scene where Tanis, the on again/off again love interest of one of the main characters, Wayne, informs him that she is pregnant. In the next episode, they meet up, and she's basically like "yeah, so I had an abortion, hope that was cool with you." And Wayne of course is totally cool with it. They just treated it like a fact of life, they weren't looking to be a family or have a child, it was what it was. and then it's never brought up again.
I hate that the discussion has to rely on women (usually young) who NEED an abortion, you should always have the decision over your body no matter if it’s a life-ruining decision to keep Abortion shouldn’t need a right reason or an excuse. It’s your body and modern medicine makes it the safest it’s ever been
@Divertissement Infinite im so glad i read this comment. Im too tired to write a well thought out thank you but i just wanted to say I never saw the "but what if they were raped/in danger of dying/etc." as an attempt to almost cater to the whims of the anti-choice party. The same choice panned across the population of those making that choice shouldnt be seperated by what that party considers "justifed" if youre arguing for rights to hold that choice. I now recognize this in many pro-choice arguments, including a few of mine. This is such a prevalent point thats made but it shouldn't be yet it does have its place in getting the anti-choicer to stop and reconsider..but again wish this didnt even have to be a resort.. Anyway thanks!
That's so disrespectful. I understand people have their own opinions on abortion, but no one has the right to talk to somebody else's kid (a 4 year old child most likely) about abortion. They're way too young to even know about all that.
Alexei Soes the father also not have the right to talk to their child about abortion? He's pulling his daughter out in the cold to protest abortion rights, (did you see his sign?) so if speaking political messages to children is morally wrong, the father is just as wrong as Poopgirl Kaitlin.
Alexei It is morally wrong to imbue morality in the children of others? Are teachers in public schools committing a moral wrong if they state: "Nazism is a dangerous political ideology, if we let it spread, we may get a second holocaust"? Similarly, some schools also promote LGBTQ acceptance, which, although noble, is still a moral stance, is that morally wrong too? I despise Poopgirl and I am pro choice, but it is important to stay consistent when it comes to morality.
@@hoominbeeing Same reason why you wouldn't talk to someone's child about religion. The parents may be catholic and want their kids to follow that same path. Parents may also want their kids to form their own opinions on controversial opinions or form an opinion that reflects their own. Either way, it's the parent's choice on how they want to mold their child and no outside force should try to manipulate that.
Alexei If a parent wants to indoctrinate their children into Nazi ideology, and explicitly promote terroristic actions, is it still immoral for friends or strangers to try to convince the child to leave the ideology? By that logic, there are some groups that are already committing moral wrongs! If a child is convinced by the charity Life After Hate to leave a hateful ideology their parents have foisted upon them, it would be the charity that deserves the scorn under your moral system!
I had an abortion. I didn’t have a good experience; I am autistic but I was undiagnosed at the time and the doctors and nurses didn’t know how to communicate with me. But I love that I was able to have an abortion. I didn’t want a child. Every child should be wanted, every parent willing.
as a nonbinary person who’s had an abortion with all the other people I know who’ve had abortions being men, I can often feel a bit pushed out of this conversation as usually it’s gonna centre women and therefore that’s the language that’s used, so I just wanna say thank you so fucking much for being conscious of your language. it’s seen and appreciated.
I can’t believe this is the first time I’m hearing someone talk about Saga on youtube! you just inspired a reread, I may have forcibly forgot parts of that whole plot line p:
Natalie Ayres I think what really struck me was obviously every piece of media you had centred women and therefore of course you used that language when referring to it, but whenever you were talking about pregnant people, that language was never exclusionary so yeah really appreciate it and would definitely be into Saga content! extra excited for that reread now, haha. and I don’t want this to come off the wrong way, but there was something that felt a little different in the Saga section editing, not in any way where it felt off, but just that the “style” felt different if that makes sense, and learning that it was your own style coming through is really cool! keep at it!
i love how people are getting more conscious about the fact that it’s not just women who get pregnant and can have abortions. some women can’t get pregnant, cis or trans, and trans people who aren’t women can get pregnant.
Thank you for using gender-neutral terms, like "pregnant people"! Too often are trans and non-binary people forgotten in these discussions. As a transmasc enby, it means a lot. Thank you!
it made me super happy too, and made me feel like I dont have to be ashamed if I ever need an abortion either (since the main reason I would have one if I got pregnant is it would make me extremely dysphoric, and also I hate kids so I suffer both ways)
I grew up with my mom saying "yeah, I'm pro-choice but I'd _never_ put myself in a situation where I'd need one" to which I always responded "well I'm pro-choice and I'd probably get an abortion if I ever get pregnant at all". I've never wanted to be pregnant. I might adopt now that I'm financially secure
Avoiding abortion is better, which is why birth control should be freely available. But it isn't always possible to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Abortion is something in case other things either failed, or if certain things happened that make carrying it to full term a bad idea. There can be so many reasons for abortion, we should never judge someone that gets one.
That's always been my stance. I hope never to get pregnant, but accidents can happen. It did make adults quite uncomfortable to hear me at 10 years old announcing I'd get an abortion if I got pregnant (in response to them talking about how I'd get pregnant and have kids which is...not something you should say to a kid anyway so be prepared to get a response you dislike!), but I'm very grateful to my parents for always being willing to help me understand why access to abortion is so important and why it shouldn't be stigmatized. Logically, it isn't the simple conclusion to come to, so that patience is sometimes necessary (when the person is genuinely trying to learn: people like in the videos shown are trying to incite argument and make you change your mind, that's a lost cause).
Im in my 40s, had an abortion in the 90s.... You're helping so many people rn. I'm a happy mother of a 13yo and a 4yo.. and I was/am happy with my decision then and now too.
When I was still very young, around the age of 7, I was being babysat by my Christian grandmother. She got a phone call on the landline and I picked it up on the other end. I don’t remember what it was specifically, but it was one of those spam call and was about abortion. I was really confused and asked my grandma about it and she described it as “people killing babies.” Which, of course, I was pretty upset about. She didn’t bother explaining it to me, or telling me all of the reasons why I women would have an abortion. Whether it’s to save the woman’s life, she didn’t want to have the baby conceived or can’t provide for the baby financially. All she said was that it was murder. Later on, when I was introduced to the term I understood it for what it actually was. I am pro choice now, and please do a good job when you teach children because I was pretty scared for a while
I have a high chance of prolapse and cant go off my medication because the fetus would have seizures (same if I stay on it). Pregnancy would be most likely kill me but people don't like to hear that.
Me: "Wow, Theresa May made 'nonessential' healthcare services not free for everyone, due to immigration fear-mongering? That's disgusting." Also Me: is American 🙃
did anyone else do a double-take on "shot dead by pro-lifers"? like I know these people aren't ACTUALLY pro-life but that still made me chuckle in a dark way.
I'm sorry, he wrote a movie where women received a novel with description of her as a rape victim, and she was like "oh i do love the author!"?? That's like. Who allowed this person to write scripts, when he obviously has zero understanding of people
Wow, I REALLY appreciate that scene from Dear White People. It really illustrates just how much people really have to sacrifice in order to have a child, especially young women just trying to get their education or careers started. I’ve known SO MANY women who were in college or advancing fast in their dream careers before they unexpectedly got pregnant, and then had to put their ENTIRE lives on hold in order to raise a child. Giving up EVERYTHING they ever dreamed and hoped for for themselves. It’s sad. Heck, even when a woman working in a job she thinks she’s “secure” in gets pregnant by choice many of them end up being so overwhelmed with motherhood that they end up giving up on the idea of going back to work, even if that was their original plan. Or their jobs just let their position go while they’re on maternity leave. It happened to more than one woman I know. People don’t think it happens because “discrimination against pregnant employees is illegal” but good luck trying to hire legal representation for yourself to go to court against your employer when they have far more money to throw at legal representation for themselves. Meanwhile (cis) men who become fathers are not expected to sacrifice nearly as much. Certainly they are not expected to sacrifice their careers. Nobody is out here asking “can working fathers REALLY have it all?” because ofc they can. It’s always the partner who gives birth to the child that ends up bearing the brunt of the child-rearing, and ends of sacrificing more of their own personal goals in order to do so.
Pro-Life people protest at my school every semester, and I remember talking to two of them-- a young married couple, no more than 22 years old. The wife was pregnant. She barely said two words while we spoke, and stood behind her husband the whole time. I mentioned that I hate how men have a say in abortion because it literally does not effect them in the way that it effects women, and he got butthurt like "I can't believe you'd say it doesn't effect me because it does." It made me furious. At that point I had to walk away from the conversation, but I just can't believe he would tell me in front of his young, pregnant, obviously submissive wife that pregnancy and abortion effect and involve him the same way that it does women. Still makes my blood boil to think about. Like, okay dude, are YOU the one that has to deal with pregnancy? Are YOU the one that has to get demonized for your choices? Are YOU the one who deals with the physical and mental pain? Fuck outta here.
@@malakaiwillardson7117 Oh man, why didn't I think of that? Ah, because that's a straw man version of an argument in the pro-choice stance. Nobody fucking LIKES abortion you nitwit. It would be ideal if we removed religious stigma around sex, taught teenagers healthy sexual boundaries and provided easy access to birth control but for SOME REASON the same people who say they HATE abortion refuse to pass legislation that has literally been proven to lower abortion rates because that would ALSO mean that we stop demonizing women for expressing natural sexual desire. Until we do all those things in tandem, abortions will continue. And personally, I'd rather women have access to save abortion practices if society refuses to acknowledge women as people and sex as a natural part of the human experience.
@@malakaiwillardson7117 And it's a lot easier to clean an infected cut, but sometimes life just happens and when the other possible options are death via blood poisoning or an amputation I'm pretty sure most people would want the leg gone. Is it better than having the cut get cleaned initially? No, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.
There's a really nice "abortions scene" in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High". Brad's sister, Stacy, gets an abortion after a boy she dated got her pregnant. She's not treated (by the film or her brother or her best friend) as being wrong for getting pregnant or getting the subsequent abortion. In fact her brother is really emotionally supportive and respectful of her privacy when he finds out. The only person involved who is villainized is the boy who got her pregnant, and that is only because he refuses to help her in any way (financially or emotionally) in going through the difficult experience of getting the abortion.
The clip of the woman harassing that man and little girl is disgusting. What a good guardian too, telling the kiddo immediately that she had a right to one, despite the vile shit that woman was saying. What a horrible topic to bring up to a child. I have a bit of faith seeing how the guardian handled the situation though, we need more people like that.
that is kaitlyn bennet, a piece of shit far-right spokesperson. she shat herself in public a few years back and now the only person who takes her seriously is herself
"statistically 1 of Marge, patty and selma has had an abortion, and statistically? its marge" best line in the video. best line on leftube. best line in anything ever
I remember in high school I had this friend who wore a pin of a little foot on her blazer that was supposed to represent the size of a fetus's foot at 3 months in utero. She went on a tangent about how horrible people who have had abortions are and said there's no exception for any abortion. Guess who needed me to buy her a pregnancy test a month later because she was too scared? Guess who had to go with her to an abortion clinic as a front for her mother to not know (I was the "good" kid since I behaved in class and was nice to parents, but used this to get away with shit). I never told her "I told you so" but rather let her figure it out in silence.
Pro lifers: Ah yes, I don’t like abortions. Instead of just not having abortions, I’ll force my beliefs on other women, instead of minding my own business. Then I’ll get offended when they express dislike on something I support
Pro Lifers: I don't like abortions! Fetuses are human beings! Life is sacred! Also Pro-Lifers: Check out my gun collection! Also, we support the death penalty!
I was in the camp of “but I would never get one” until I had a pregnancy scare at 17. From then on I’ve been pro choice and unashamed to be grateful for the fact I can obtain one easily and safely.
Soooo. I thought I was pregnant and had an anxiety for a month. And suddenly a lot of memes, videos about young parents/abortion started to pop up in my feed. That doesn't help. Your video does! (spoiler, I am not pregnant)
God, what I would give to be able to know what it's like to be a woman. Videos like this help me to get closer, along with basic human empathy and being raised by a grandmother and single mother, but no matter what I do I'll never truly understand. So much PRESSURE is put on every person born with a womb to have and raise children in spite of any and all evidence to the contrary that perfectly normal human anatomy/physiology/psychology is suddenly out of the question because feelings. Humans have an unsurpassed ability to be cruel. I have no clue how we'll possibly proceed, I can only hope that factual arguments win in the end. Also, Medical iPod(?)s For All.
Some Grumpy Leftist It certainly sounds like you have the “spirit” down. I think as rational human beings, we should strive to understand others but also recognise our limits, as you have expressed. You have expressed more humanity than I have seen in many (not all tbf) so called “pro life” activists. So as a person with a womb, I thank you for your humanity.
Want to hear something awful (and still not half as horrifying as it gets?)? I was raised in Catholic school and abortion was illegal in my country (barring rape and the like) until I was six years out of high school, in 2008. While I became an atheist pretty early on, I strongly believed that abortion was murder long after that. I also knew that I'd absolutely get (hike to Spain, if need be) one if need be and if I couldn't, I'd just kill myself. So, in high school, my mind was changing somewhat on this. When the subject came up in religion class, I asked the teacher what he and/or the RCC thought I should do if I became pregnant but the pregnancy was non-viable and could only end in my and the fetus dying painfully. Should I let myself die? He hesitated but had to say..."Yes". You could have heard a pin drop. A friend of mine, who was very keen on having children in the future and who was the daughter of doctors and thus very aware of the many ways pregnancy can go wrong, took to 'reconciling herself to death'. Basically, this 15 year old girl would lay on her bed, late at night, and convince herself that if push came to shove she had to just embrace death, willingly, because it was what God wanted and thus the right thing. She told me this in tears. And as horrifying as this is...it's still not even remotely the very worst it gets.
"God, what I would give to be able to know what it's like to be a woman." _3 years later, username changed from Some Grumpy Leftist to LovelyLydia_ Wish granted. 🎉😂❤
Every time you said “pregnant people” instead of “pregnant women” or “people with a womb” instead of “women” I felt a little better about my trans ass possibly needing one someday
You made the comment that I came down here to write. As a fellow ftm, I seriously appreciated the gender-neutral language that was used, since when I usually try to find healthcare advice for me or whenever I try to take part in the abortion "debate" as someone still with a fully-functioning uterus but not a female-aligned gender, my dysphoria gets triggered a LOT . Seeing my problems as a nonbinary trans man being referred to as "women's problems" and reading the other campy language referencing the writer's obviously targeted audience of cis women and no reference to their actual audience, which includes all afab people and intersex people with some of the same problems that afabs face, just makes me uncomfortable and a bit sad. If only transgender issues and healthcare were taken more seriously by medical writers, governments around the world, and in our own educations at all levels so that this video wasn't a welcome oddity, but rather the standard.
It's so strange. Hearing people say "I would never" when I grew up knowing if I DID get pregnant I would have an abortion (for many personal reasons). I guess I was lucky enough to grow up in a family where that wasn't shamed.
My family never talked about abortion, but when I learned about it I never thought of it as a bad thing, forcing someone to carry a baby is one of the cruelest things imaginable
Honestly I never really encountered that. It was always framed as my choice and that’s it. Mostly by my father. My ma doesn’t like discussing such issues but that’s okay.
This was really insightful. I always believed I was 100% pro-choice, but this made me realize that there's a major stigma around this topic that's been influencing my views. We really need to normalize the idea that yes, women get abortions simply because they don't want a kid and no, that doesn't make their choice any less valid. Thanks for sharing. This is a difficult and emotional topic, and you talking about it can (and already does) help so many people. Abortions should be safe, legal, and accessable because everyone deserves agency over their own body, regardless of others opinions. :)
Oh my god, reading this made me so happy 😭❤ Here in germany abortions are legal, but u gotta pay them yourself. It is scary to see how people attack you because you arborted a child. An abortion requires lots of strengh, because it's an important life choise. Everyone calls a biological woman slut, whore and worse when they know they aborted a fetus. But nobody thinks how the person feels about it or why they did it. I knew someone who got bullied because she aborted. She ended up moving to a whole diffrent city and now is in theraphy.
@@mo.ka.9661 are we going to treat all life as sacred? does this include the already born children already thrown into adoption centers? at what point do we decide to start caring for cells in our bodies. do we care when people who menstrate have periods. can we not demonize people who can give birth for a natural part of life that can happen to anybody? can we have an ounce of nuance when discussing abortion and remove the emotional and philosophical part of when life starts. lets start being honest
@@mo.ka.9661 'humans' lol we arent talking about how the fetus isnt a human yet. itll be one but its not there yet. just because it will theoretically become a human doesnt mean it takes priority over the mother.. like where are your priorities if the choices+autonomy of the living actual born mother matters less than somebody that doesnt even exist yet. but it doesnt matter! its a debate about giving the childbirthers autonomy over themselves. i dont actually give a shit about where life begins.. like yes it is indeed 'killing' something but are we going to cry over mosquitos and bugs.. are we crying over cells in our body. whatever who cares
i just want to extend my thanks for using terms like "people able to get pregnant" or "people with a womb". as a transmasc person who might want to have a child in the future, its great for someone to talk about things like this and not feel invalidated in my gender because of it. thanks :)
The most annoying thing is having to only say "woman" when talking with pro lifers. They're just...so narrow minded that they can't actually comprehend that trans men, NBs etc can often still get pregnant (although being on T can make birth itself dangerous)
@S No, it's not. Please do some research on what actual biology and sex is. I can't even begin to start on how inaccurate your statements are. The best starting place I can give you for a simple explanation is this (it is not an official source I would ever use in a paper, but it does provide a good explanation): official-transsexual.tumblr.com/post/612653150790402048/eroguru-official-transsexual-sidewaysspun. Another good source is here: www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/opinion/sex-biology-binary.html. And also here: newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female. Beyond that, you can do your own research; it's as simple as looking up "complexities of biological sex" on google. There's plenty of scientific articles out there that talk about the intricacies of biology, and not only that but also how it can be changed. The act of deciding a person's assigned sex at birth is nowhere near as accurate as you think it is. _Biology does NOT conform to western society's "perfect binary ideal" and never HAS._ If we want to be honest, there's no such thing as decidedly male or female. That doesn't mean considering one's physical makeup isn't important, or that it doesn't influence certain medical decisions or otherwise, but it DOES mean that a statement such as yours is not only insensitive, but also inaccurate. "Male" and "female" are social constructs we created to make sense of the world around us, and biology by no means conforms to these terms we created. _Male and female have no scientifically provable definition._ There will ALWAYS be an exception- you could say "female" refers to all people with wombs, but then that means every woman who might have had to get a hysterectomy for medical reasons is suddenly no longer a woman. Okay, well then what if female referred to every person with XX chromosome- except, there have been documented cases of people's developed and observed sex contradicting their chromosomes. But then, how do we decide on a scientifically provable definition, that is completely consistent? We can't. Meaning the statement, "You will always and forever be the sex you were born as..." has no inherit meaning to it. So yes, phrases such as "those who are capable of pregnancy" are not only validating, but also helpful from an objective standpoint. "Fertile females" might make sense from a surface level, but when dissected tells us practically nothing. Because even if you choose to ignore _everything_ I just stated up above due to a closeted mindset, then I want to highlight that there are intersex people out there who may not be considered or denoted as female, but are capable of giving birth. Are they suddenly excluded from the conversation because they don't have a handy little "F" on their birth certificate?
Some people need to hear this, a baby won't solve depression. Really you'll put your kid through hell having to live with your mental illness. Help yourself first before bringing a kid into it.
As a cis girl from Alabama, where abortion is vilified by basically everybody and there's no good information about it, I found this video extremely insightful and I applaud you for posting it. Everybody capable of getting pregnant should have access to this kind of support and education from people who have actually experienced abortions, as well as good, lighthearted representation in fiction :)
I literally had my abortion a month before the Texas abortion ban. My hubby and I cannot afford a second child and I am not mentally ready to take on that responsibility
The lactation thing - so glad you mentioned this! While I have not had an abortion, my best friend had to have one a couple of years back. She was also surprised by this (surprise) lactation. It was uncomfortable, a bit embarrassing, and also somewhat emotionally taxing for her as she wasn't aware she would be producing and lactating some milk for the fetus (or potential baby) she chose not to continue gestating. So thank for your mentioning this lesser known occurrence associated with abortions. These decisions are not taken lightly by the people choosing to undergo an abortion. While they may know that it's the right decision for them, that doesn't mean it is easy and isn't emotional. Thank you for speaking on this! Great video! ❤️
TW: Rape, Intolerant assholes, child abuse, a bitter sweet ending In Brazil, I think the state of Rio de Janeiro, an awful case became big news. A ten-year-old girl who was being raped by her uncle was found pregnant (Investigations would later find out she was being also abused by her dad and her brother). Here, abortion is still illegal, with the exception of rape cases. After an honestly too long process, the proceedure was green lighted. But get this: in front of the hospital where the girl was aborting, a few dozen of religious pro-life people protested for the procedure to be stopped. They shouted the girl was a murderer and the doctord were kidnapping feminists. I am not joking. You know what's worse? THEY STORMED THE HOSPITAL. Police had to drag them out, and even though the protesters attacked doctors, the police disn't use violence. That's when the cavalry got there. A feminist counter-protest kept the religious mass at bay while the abortion happened. A Twitter acount there posted: "The abortion is in the end. There is no going back. Victory!" This happened only a few weeks ago. I let a few things aside, like when the known terrorist Sara Winter spread pictures and the name of the child while calling her a murderer. Bit that's just awful. Everything that happened these days was awful. And although they manages to get the child the care she needed, it hurts to see what it took.
One of the worst depictions of abortion and a woman's autonomy over her own body I've seen recently is the movie Dogma where an infertile woman who works in an abortion clinic and was left by her partner due to her infertility is made pregnant by an angel at the end. The whole point of the movie was about choice and at the end she has her choice basically taken away from her by being forcibly pregnant but it's treated like a miracle.
I'd agree if it didn't seem like she was happy about it. I think the point is that god/the angel knew this was something she wanted and gave it to her as a reward. (from what i remember) Still a little bit weird gift but not the way you're describing it.
tbf, that ending reads more like God “correcting” the infertile woman’s lack of choice (wants to get pregnant but can’t choose to) by divine intervention, not just forcing her to be pregnant because reasons. granted, giving her the gift of being fertile would have been a better ending since she’d be able to actually choose to get pregnant herself.
@@TheyMadeMePickAName there are methods to deliberately render oneself infertile (birth control, sterilization), but when describing someone as 'infertile' (or "barren" in older stories) it's implying a lack of choice, an inability on the body's part to conceive and/or maintain a pregnancy. And there are lots of things that can cause this, such as hormone levels affecting ovulation, problems in the Fallopian tubes, damage from disease, genetic factors, age, defects like a septate uterus, etc. AMAB people can be infertile, too, with low sperm counts or malformed sperm, etc. This is why there are things like in vitro fertilization and other technologies designed to help people have kids. Reproduction is, unsurprisingly, complicated.
Portrait of a Lady on Fire has an excellent subplot around abortion, with the three women characters working together to end the pregnancy of one of them.
Exactly and it's also weirdly funny, in an absurd way, like when she tries to hang from the ceiling. It's also interesting to show that in many places and times in history abortions happened and were quite common.
@@linemonssi4108 I live in Portugal, a deeply Catholic country (abortion only fully legalized in 2008) and the old ladies in the neighborhood would talk about all the many abortions they had. One, whose husband was a dick and refused to use birth control of any kind, had had something like 6 or so. It was extremely common. She was just lucky it didn't end in disaster as these were back alley abortions.
I honestly didn't know how common it was before literally that Bojack Horseman episode, either! I'd never heard that statistic anywhere which was why I said it so many times in this vid!!
I remember watching Juno for my Leaving Cert English class and I'm so glad I had a teacher who took the opportunity to emphasise the pro‐choice viewpoint the film was intended to have despite working in a very catholic school
when you pointed out the trend of 'person has to decide whether to have an abortion or not, but ultimately decides not to go through with it and is narratively rewarded' in stories i had to just sit here for several minutes. i don't think i've EVER seen or read any fiction concerning abortion where the person decides to terminate their pregnancy and isn't punished for it. even in works where they might discuss abortion and frame it as a good or at least neutral thing. this is a BIG thing in fan content creation circles as well - even communities that claim to buck trends and promote things that would be seen as 'deviant' in general society, it's so pervasive of a mindset they can't help regurgitating it without questioning why.
Shrill also has an excellent portrayal of abortion. And also the super useful fact that for people over a certain weight, the Morning After pill becomes less effective. I had to pause the show to scream about that for a bit. Feels like something that should be more widely known.
I was talking to a friend recently and it came up that when we were children, both our mums had the same thing to say about abortion - basically, child-bearing people should have the right to have abortions, but not too many. It seems strange that we would both have this specific idea of some type of person who has "too many" abortions, since we grew up in different countries, and in dissimilar cultures within those countries. Even though our mums have basically nothing else in common, they both have this idea of a person who just repeatedly has abortions, and this was so ingrained in their concept of abortion that they had to pass it on to their prepubescent daughters as a key part of the ethics of abortion. As far as my friend and I could remember, neither mum expressed how many abortions could be considered "too many". Weird shit.
"Stories matter." Yes. Exactly. They are not the end all be all. They do not necessarily represent the ultimate truth of the universe, but they do, 100% of the time, MATTER.
I live in a state with *literally no* available clinics to my knowledge. The one planned parenthood we had in the entire state closed. I was sexually assaulted as a child, so I have the deep seated fear that one day it might happened again, and I might need an abortion, and I won't be able to get it. It fucking terrifies me. This is a really good and necessary video but it's difficult for me to get through because that fear just sits in the back of my mind, absolutely paralyzing.
When I was 19 I had a pregnancy scare with my fiance. We had already agreed that we were not interested in children for another decade, he had just deployed with the Navy and of course we had sex the night before he went, of course we did. And then my period was late, and I started getting really scared. He agreed immediately that anything I decided to do was the right thing, but if I decided to abort that that was the right thing because we were not ready, but if I decided to keep the possible child then he would be there the whole way. It turned out it was a false alarm, but at that time I was too distraught to make that decision. Just imagining having to make that choice put me in such a state because everyone around me had expectations for how I was going to answer that question. I was raised in an abusive household, where my sense of self and my sense of agency had already been damaged, and the fact that I was undiagnosed autistic certainly wasn't helping my processing either, and I did not tell my parents because I was terrified of what they might demand of me. If I'd actually been pregnant I think I would have gotten an abortion? But it probably wouldn't have been until month 3 that I actually got my head together enough to pursue it, cuz there was no one in my world who was going to help me get there. and who knows if I actually would have been able to get the procedure by then? Who knows if I would have been able to understand the directions with no one else to guide me? Not me. That sure is shit My parents want to know why I'm so angry at them for the subjects they just don't want to talk about, this is why. Because when we choose silence over discomfort, people die.
Jesus I'd never even considered the impact of weeks of wait times on abortion. I was always pro-choice to begin with but that's another great argument why easy and quick access to abortion services is so SO important.
coming back to this in June 2022, when all rights are going out the window in the US and everyone is focusing on the perfect victims, this video is really comforting
That was fantastic! Thank you so much for speaking out about your experience, I was one of those people who said 'I am pro choice but would never personally have an abortion' for years until I had a serious pregnancy scare 4 years ago and it became personal. It's so important to hear these stories.
Great video, I know she's often controversial but Amanda Palmer's Voicemail For Jill is a really good song that pleads for people to talk more openly about abortion to better supportthose who need it, her touring show goes more in depth into breaking the taboos around discussion of abortions that dont fit the 'perfect victim' narrative.
Not to mention Oasis, which a lot of people get oddly mad at for not being a depressing dirge. I mean, she once tried singing it in a minor key but gave up half way because it wasn't right.
Thanks for bringing Amanda Palmer into this. I've been a fan for years now, and The Dresden Dolls song 'Mandy Goes to Med School' just attacks the subject with incredibly dark humor. I'm sure it's not for everyone, but I've always enjoyed the energy of that song - I've gotten to see it live, and it was the 2000's - we were all so, so much younger then
Please consider putting a "Content warning: Kaitlin Bennet" at the beginning of footage of her. Like, it's a little silly, but i swear I get headaches after seeing footage of her even if its her getting dunked on.
There's a new film that is either coming out soon or just released called "Never, Rarely, Sometimes, Always" that's about a girl travelling from Pennsylvania to New York to get an abortion and nearly everything that's been written about it says it's a beautiful supportive movie.
High amounts of stress can lead to developmental problems. So regardless of whether or not you like that they're considering an abortion, it's better for the baby (if they don't decide to get an abortion) not to pressure pregnant people into having the baby. So the acceptance of abortion literally helps everyone here.
I was hoping you would mention Dirty Dancing... it's amazing how this old movie is still the best story involving abortion I've seen. It doesn't even have a focus on "imagining the child you could have had" like almost every other story you mentioned.
I cried listening to your abortion story because it was exactly like mine, I had horrible morning sickness and I was very early on in the pregnancy. I had a nightmare I was pregnant so I took a test and it was positive. My family and Fiance supported me and I knew I needed to get the abortion, I was 19. Went in and got it done, on the way home I ate fast food and cried. It was an overwhelming experience. I got pregnant while on the pill, and I've only ever had one partner, my Fiance
Im not ever planning on having sex (im asexual) so the possibility of pregnancy is very distant to me but im certain i would abort, its just so surreal to imagine to me
As someone living in the north of Ireland how we ended up getting our rights is disgusting Like our parliament collapses and that’s the only way we can achieve our rights Don’t get me wrong I’m thrilled that we have FINALLY been granted what both the rest of the UK and Ireland have had for years, but it kind of stings that that’s the only way we could achieve it
I did find it unsavoury that Stormont was 'threatened' with legalising same sex marriage and abortion like it was some kind of punishment. Why didn't Westminster step in and legalise both far sooner? Oh well, at least it's legal now.
I remember I was like 15 when I first heard that there are countries that have antiabortion laws and that there was such a thing as pro-life. I thought that the world had gone insane.
When we had the referendum to legalise abortion in the Republic of Ireland I was too young to vote. Despite this, I educated myself so I could debate with relatives and teachers on the issue. I knew it was something that was going to affect my life in the future, even if I wasn't allowed to have an official say in it (bring the voting age down to 16!). We were at war with a conservative male teacher at our school over his 'pro life' views. Come the day of the vote, I made sure both my parents went to the polling station to cast their votes, even though my dad had a broken leg and was in crutches. Abortion was legalised by a large majority and people celebrated the fact they wouldn't have to make any more covert journeys to england to terminate pregnancies. I celebrated, glad to know that my friends and I would never have to travel for an abortion like previous generations. As someone who doesn't want children, having that choice is important to me, and I was so proud of the Irish people who voted to give me that right. (Also I love Dirty Dancing, it's a fantastic film).
Yeah, so, somehow this video brought up so many feelings I spent two hours writing a mini-play about a trans man struggling with deciding whether to get an abortion or not. And yeah, I'm a trans guy myself. I never had an abortion, but I had some preg scares so I have a lot of thoughts and feelings about this I didn't realize I needed to take time to process
@@Natalie-kl3er it really is, honestly. I wrote it in my native language, but it's fairly short so I could translate it fairly easily, if it's actually of any interest
Abortion "railroads" in Poland are going to fall apart completely during the current epidemic, seeing as there's no way to cross into Slovakia (where abortion is legal without caveats) without going into a two-week quarantine. Quarantine within the same exact system that denied ya an abortion (at this point, it's difficult to get a safe and legal abortion even in the event of rape or when the fetus is unable to ever survive ex utero). Not great.
just wanted to post that, sometimes seeing things like these or reading how different the laws are in other countries i am stunned in what country we live in, puppet state owned by church and top 10%
I hate people who say that abortion is murder. Often, mothers who get their babies aborted do it because they can’t take care of the child, so really, they’re saving the child from a life of misery. Edit: I do NOT think poor families and kids are better off dead, I just think that a woman shouldn’t force herself to have a kid she doesn’t want, because then the child will grow up unhappy and the woman will be unhappy and nobody’s happy. I’m not into late abortions or anything either. I worded this comment weird and I’m sorry
@@annewithane7876 not that that’s not what I mean, I never said that, I mostly mean if the mother doesn’t want the kid, isn’t ready or can’t take care of it or anything, the kid will grow up neglected/abused in foster care/otherwise unhappy. I am NOT into killing kids who are already alive or late abortions either. This is a matter of a woman taking control of her own life, not killing babies
I thought Call The Midwife did an 'alright' job, even if it still fell into the "perfect victim" and "bury your abortion" tropes at parts. The whole arc of season 8 was about abortion and the different reasons people seek it, and the impact being forced to have it done illegally. SPOILERS In the first episode, a young nun (I think she's like 19?) is made to help out a model, who another midwife snuck into the house, who needs help passing what's left after her illegal abortion. Being a young, naive, nun and midwife, she's made to think about why somebody would go through this. In episode four, a friend of one of the midwives discovers that she's pregnant. She's poor and is struggling to raise her two other children as it is. She seeks a legal abortion, but is denied because it isn't medically necessary. She gets an illegal abortion instead, but suffers an infection from it and then dies on the way to hospital. It's definitely "Bury Your Abortions", but it's emphasised that she would have been fine had she not been denied a safe abortion. Her husband isn't angry that she had the procedure, he's angry that it had to be done unsafely. Her death isn't a punishment for her actions, it's a sign of what was wrong with the law. In episode eight, another midwife discovers that her grandmother is an illegal abortionist. She grapples with the fact she knows these women need help, but that her grandmother is not a medical professional and is hurting these women, even if the cause is noble. Her grandmother won't stop though, so she decides to report her to the police. They end up getting the woman from the first episode to testify, to admit that she had an abortion and that she was harmed (IIRC she isn't able to have kids as a result). IMO it doesn't claim that the woman should regret seeking an abortion, just that she should have been able to safely. The tragedy isn't the abortion itself, just the consequences of restricting access to abortion. The midwives discuss the case, they're angry that these women had to resort to such risky options. (One of the midwives also works at a family planning clinic, where they prescribe the pill, which is still pretty new in this time period) Throughout the next season, the granddaughter of the abortionist is racked with guilt about sending her to prison. She goes to visit her in prison, the grandmother is forgiving, and it's like, she's sorry for the harm she has caused, but it's clear the harm was the unsafe practices, not the abortions.
Adding to the "positive representations of abortion in media": the show Six Feet Under, Claire gets an abortion while in college and bonds with her brother's girlfriend during the process. Claire's boyfriend later finds out and gets pissed and they break up, but I'd argue that the writers' took her side as he is shown to be an extremely childish and jealous man.
There have been so many wonderful comments on this video, thank you all so much. Unfortunately some cowards have decided to reply to people talking about their own abortion experiences in the comments to question their decisions. Apparently they didn't read the title of this vid! Very sorry to anyone who receives a reply like this. We will delete them as soon as we see them! You don't have to explain anything, to anyone x
4:00 I appreciate your contextualisation, it helps me to understand my privileged nativity.
You’re still wonderful, you awesome human
@@mo.ka.9661 absolutely awful for you to criticize a woman who obviously had to make a hard decision. women are not obligated to go through a forced pregnancy so please think about what youre saying before you say it
@@mo.ka.9661 criticism of what? this stems from your own personal belief that life begins the second the sperm enters the vagina and youre being hostile to somebody (who has different beliefs) because of that? youre being totally unrealistic of the reality that people who have pregnancies sometimes get pregnant by mistake and its immoral to force people to go through the traumatic process of pregnancy. too many real born actual children are disregarded despite this and its gross. this is like forcing religion onto people and i think we shouldnt argue philosophy/semantics and instead just try to help living breathing born people.. the parents... instead of a theoretical child
@@mo.ka.9661 and of course i dont think shes immune from criticism but your criticism is attacking her character because of a realistic choice that had to be made. you could at least be respectful
My wife was put through hell when pregnancy troubles led to her having to get an abortion, the hospital in our city turned her down because "not feeling comfortable" due to their personal beliefs. We got told to go to the next city over (about an hour away), there she got examined again and they agreed that yes an abortion was called for however they had to get permission from the hospital's bishop, needless to say she was denied despite the risk to her life. Then we got told to go to our State capital where they induced labor (very painful for my wife who never was pregnant before) after hours and hours the abortion was done but then my wife had to be rushed off to surgery to remove the placenta that didn't come out and get a blood transfusion cause she lost so much (I had never seen so much blood everywhere). Worst experience of our lives, took years to process the whole ordeal. Btw we live in the US if it wasn't obvious. I always get angry when people act as though an abortion is a easy choice and event to go through.
Lexort 420 I’m so sorry your wife went through that. I hope both of you are doing better.
Oh no, I feel so sorry for you and your wife! No-one should ever have to go through such a thing.
That must have been so scary! I hope your wife is doing okay now.
That’s awful! What state do you live in?
Lexort 420 I feel so bad for you both what a horrible predicament to be in :(
That pacifist line in saga really pissed me off. My grandad was a total pacifist. He went to prison for being a conscientious objector during WW2, did hard labour, was beaten up numerous times because of it. He completely believed in a woman's choice right up until he died in 1990.
He sounds pretty based.
@@vxicepickxv more like pretty FUCKING BASED
Your grandad sounds like he was an awesome guy.
What a badass human being! He’s what I want to grow up to be.
I think it would have rang false if Marco was like "wooo, women's right" and didn't have any misgivings about abortion. He has conflicting beliefs, like all people. That makes him three dimensional.
The worst anti-abortion argument I've heard(and I hear it a lot) is "if you had been aborted how would you feel"
I literally would not be around to feel anything
In general, sadness for non-existent people doesn't make any sense. I mean, there's uncalculatably more of them than existing people. Every time someone conceives, that's like 50 millionish potential people that didn't happen. No one is sad about all that didn't-turn-into-people potential dna combinations.
I hate when people say, “If the woman doesn’t want the baby, why can’t she just carry it to full term then put it up for adoption?” That’s not a compromise. That’s a one sided deal that will result in more pain and expenses.
What I find particularly stupid about that argument is that you could use it to be against anything that isn't unprotected sex. "How would you feel if your parents had used protection?" or even more abstract but equally as valid "How would you feel if your parents hadn't had sex that day and conceived you?" it's literally arguing in favor for every potential human being above the life of the parents.
God I wish
You would actually..
so interesting! i got pregnant from my abusive boyfriend, he did it on purpose and wanted me to have it. i wasn't having that and i'm grateful every day that i got it terminated. i would have a 6 year old now. i live in my mum's attic and am on disability for bipolar 2, so that would've been very bad.
I had something similar to that happen when I was 19. I have cerebral palsy and scoliosis. He would make a show of putting on the condom and then roll it back to just the tip. I didn't know this until it came off inside me. I used the morning after pill, but I was affected by it for a long time. I think he was trying to get me pregnant to keep me with him. After we broke up, he immediately impregnated 2 other women
Donnathan Dogestar you realize child birth isn’t easy and Infact can be life threatening. Your sorrow for a non existent person is unjustified and so is your anger. I’d also like to mention that most people adopted get put into abusive households or don’t get adopted. Maybe do a reality check on yourself and replace your anger on the man who forced her to be pregnant because technically it’s rape.
@@glocktaivious8825 so go off all my meds cold turkey and kill myself, or take my meds and poison the fetus? And did I mention my heavy drinking? And why would I want to pass on my shitty crazy genes to an innocent child? Have you ever been pregnant?
And adoption is hard on a kid. Kids can't effortlessly transfer their parental feelings to a stranger.
Judging Budgie I feel it 💙
you're absolutely right, the prominence of the 'protagonist chooses to keep the baby against all odds' depicts the decision over abortion as a test of character: if you abort, you're lazy, weak-willed, thoughtless, irresponsible, etc.
Even though the main reason people choose to have abortions is because they know that choosing to raise the baby in their current circumstances would be the MORE irresponsible choice.
carolina hernandez how is that hypocritical? It’s hypocritical to believe that there’s a difference between a foetus and a living breathing child? Really dude??
carolina hernandez .... no you didn’t. You just confirmed there are “huge differences” at different stages of human development. So where exactly is the hypocrisy coming in ??
Also you’re really rude.
carolina hernandez you just completely repeated your last comment ... there is no hypocrisy between being pro abortion and also anti murder. Because foetuses are not people. That distinction is kinda important...
@carolina hernandez take your forced-birth trash elsewhere. If youre so concerned with children start adopting them all. Until then stfu
carolina hernandez good god, you are so fucking rude Carolina. What makes you think you’re entitled to anyone’s good faith response to you after swearing your head off at them and personally insulting them simply for disagreeing with you? My question still stands : how is it hypocritical to be pro-abortion and also anti-murder, since foetuses and children are not the same thing? Just because theres ALSO a difference between children and adults proves absolutely nothing - that argument is painfully ridiculous. You really don’t see how both adults and children’s can both be counted as living breathing sentient beings, but we might count foetuses and embryos and zygotes in a separate category ?? Are you _really_ struggling that much to see why those two things might be different ??
You seem to be contradicting yourself a million different ways, either repeating my exact point while somehow acting like you’re still right, and more importantly, just speaking extremely aggressively and blatantly rudely to total strangers who may have been willing to hear you out if you engaged in a good faith manner.
Hope your week goes better than it’s apparently been going so far, lmao.
In BoJack Horseman, after all the abortion story with sxetina, Diane tells Princess Caroline, a character who really wished for a child but wasn't able to have one, that she wasn't sure if she did the right thing because she wasn't young and unable to care for her child and that she was aware of people trying to conceive and failing. I like that in that moment PC tells Diane that she doesn't have to apologize to anyone and that she supported her decision even if she came from another walk of life.
I liked that part too, as often the PL side acts as thought the PC side is disrespectful to women who struggle with infertility, I know there was a bit of a snide comment from Princess Carolyn about Diane's fertility but she agreed in the end it was her decision and not her responsibility to breed children for other people
I LOVE THAT PC has many flaws but she always cares and respects her peers :) i love her
*spoiler warning for the movie grandma* I'm extremely surprised you didn't mention the movie "Grandma". Its movie about a girl who needs help from her grandmother for money for an abortion after becoming pregnant from her asshole boyfriend. They go on an adventure to get the money and the girl finds out her grandmother had an abortion as well and what led to the split of her and her ex husband. They finally get the money and the abortion with no regrets and just go home like normal. It really well depicts what I believe men's entitlement to women's bodies when they are pregnant and the financial struggle of abortion.
I hadn't heard of this before, it sounds fantastic!!
Wow, i wanna see that movie now :0
I love that movie. Lily Tomlin is hilarious
Wow! at that woman harassing that little kid in the snow. WTH? What is up with some “adults”. Good on that man to help normalize the word abortion and protect his kid with calm responses.
Kaitlyn bennet do be wildin
She likes the clicks she gets chasing after people in public. She mostly does her thing in universities
she just wants attention. total asshole
The fact he said, "You have a right to one."🥺💕
That horrified me.
I got lost in a city at 13, I live in a small town and was very confused. I was scared and hurt. I saw the planed Parenthood building and went there. I was taught "if your lost go to a woman with kids" this was the best I could do so late at night. They got me home, safe, and happy. They even gave me a lollipop and some bandages. Defunding planed parenthood takes away saftey and heath for both male and female people. What about my moms cancer screenings? What about my regular heath problems? What about the people who don't want kids. Rape victims, domestic abuse, poor people, busy people, and just people who just don't want a fucking demon.
gosh this is AMAZING. I don't have anything insightful to add - just wanted to tell you that.
when i see you in a comment section i just know the chanel is great ilyy !!
That dude telling Poopy Pants that he'd abort her late term. *Chef's kiss*
That guy was the best thing ever!!!
Really wanted to be mad at her for harassing a *literal child*, but then again I can see why that wouldn't be an ethical issue for her, seeing as that child was probably out of diapers before she was
Dad goalz
@@misspeaches1144 totally!!!
I had to pause the video and laugh at that, it's such a hilarious response to such a belligerent and unreasonable person who honestly probably needed the cops called on them.
34 years!
34 years of life before seeing a genuinely compelling reason to see Dirty Dancing. Thank you. I might give it a watch now.
The music's pretty good too I mean the actual 50s music not the horrid Time of My Life stuff. There's also positive representation of working class people and the male lead recognising his own exploitation.
Another- it has the most savage anti-Objectivist shade ever committed to film.
Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say it's good but now I'm actually excited to watch it
Yeah, I didn't know it was actually about this stuff.
@@camipco Well put. The movie overall is pretty frickin leftist.
How does the gun woman manage to upload videos so consistently where she is so so clearly the worst person in the room dhshdhsjd
In Ireland the anti-choice movement really shot themselves in the foot with similar tactics, they put up gross images around schools and towns which resulted in lots of otherwise "neutral" people who wouldn't have voted at all, go for pro-choice
Kaitlin Gunnut does get owned on a regular basis though. So often that people have kinda speculated she gets off on it. That said I hate how she's hectoring a dad in front of his young child - I'm not sure abortion is something you should be talking about in front of little kids.
Yeah. Most of the people who voted to ban abortion in the 80's and supported the amendment ended up voting to repeal it.
@@EmoBearRights personally disagree re: abortion being talked about around children - sex education is generally important, and it's good to teach children non-harmful messages before they get a chance to encounter harmful ones (so teaching them that abortion is okay is better than them absorbing anti-choice propoganda, teaching them about racism and why it's bad is better than them absorbing racism from their peers, etc.)
THAT SAID, harassing a child about any topic (including ~The Number One Cause Of Death~) is definitely fucked up and wrong. don't do that
Divertissement Infinite Is it wrong of me to experience schadenfreude whenever I see someone mocking Gun girl for pooping her pants?
Divertissement Infinite hah!
as a trans guy who had to get an abortion this video is so comforting to me. thank you
As a trans guy who can't afford surgery, this is my greatest fear. I'm sorry for what you have had to go through man
i’m so glad she used terms like “people who are pregnant” rather than “pregnant women” it was a subtle, but very kind way of being inclusive :))
As a Transman pregnancy is my Worst fear
@@goroakechi6128 Im nonbinary, but I am AFAB as well and it is also one of my worst fears, especially since I am attracted to men. Pregnancy comes right up behind not being able to get a hysterectomy in general, because my main source of dysphoria is my menstrual cycles and I cant imagine living the rest of my life suffering every month like this. I have tried birth control to control my cycles so far, but it ended up making everything 10 times worse and almost ruined my halloween last year, and unless i can find something that ISNT testosterone that will mostly stop them (with no "leaking" or "spotting") then I might not make it that far into adulthood because I seriously cant handle living like this for the rest of my life.
sorry if its weird i said so much
You sir have my respect. I have tokophobia as a woman, so I only imagine how much worse that fear is as a man. Glad you the medical attention you needed.
16 and Pregnant had a really interesting episode of a mom featured on the show previously who found out she was pregnant again about two years after the first pregnancy. The episode went through the teen mom and her boyfriend's financial situation and the possibility of keeping the child. In the end they picked to abort the child and they expressed their feeling on their new reality. I really appreciated MTV airing this episode, it really opened my mind on the other side of teen pregnancy while I was in high school.
It's a shame the episode is so hard to find now. They only aired it once, and I'm not sure if it's available legally online anywhere. I had to jump through hoops to find it a few years ago.
My niece is still a little person (just 2), and her mother is already shouting from the tallest tower that her girl will NEVER be pregnant out of wedlock, and she'll scorch the earth the make sure of that (she has also said "You're gonna be such a good mommy!" because the child plays with dolls....like all children do). It's frightening to me that we put such big expectations into someone who can't even recite her colors and shapes. Maybe she will have an abortion (I'll set up the appointment and drive her there), maybe she won't..........she's 2!! Just let her grow and see who she becomes.
Maybe she's a lesbian and will not even ever have sex with a man, so many things a 2 year old may grow up into becoming that you are absolutely right, pushing such expectations is just wrong. Seems like the mother wants the child to be basically her all over again.
It's nice to see people having cool aunts. It makes me feel happy.
@@mariahhenderson1470 I let her taste my beer and everything!
@@exquisitecorpse4917 I give you the title of Cool Aunt. The person who holds this title is indeed a very cool aunt.
I feel really bad for her, that's terrible
In my country (Poland) abortion is only legal if the pregnancy is dangerous for you or it is a result of sexual crime. Just now, a few days before the presidential election and in the midst of covid-19 they are exacerbating it. Two days ago I protested against homophobic slurs used by the current president, o Thursday I'm gonna protest against the new abortion laws. I was always against the right-wing ruling party in but now I am more and more worried about my country, especially women and the LGBT community.
From the US, and I've hearing a lot of problems that are coming out of the election. Take care, sis and keep fighting.
Polacy na breadtubie, aż milo😌❤️
Everything I hear about Poland nowadays makes me more scared for it. Hang in there.
You live to your username, I respect that
@@anac.4801 thank you, I try
I am very angry at all those teen dramas and romantic comedies. Even tho NOBODY wants the baby, can raise a baby or have the correct conditions to have it they decide to keep it. Almost everytime. That's why I love Maeve in Sex education. She considers her condition and comes to the correct conclusion that she needs to have a abortion. Yes kids are blessings but abortion can be blessing too.
How can you judge someone for not getting an abortion? Doesn’t sound very pro-choice.
@@malory1444 She's clearly mad at the media representation not actual people. Don't be stupid.
SamuraiShizuo she’s talking about the characters and the decisions they made. How is praising someone for coming to the “correct conclusion” not implying that the others made the wrong decision?
@@SamuraiShizuo it IS actual people though. I personally know two people like that -they got pregnant young, weren't financially stable and needed help, but decided to keep it. They are both very happy with their decisions and both are and were at the time of the pregnancy vocally pro-choice. They just made a choice for themselves to keep the baby (I'm talking less than 5 years ago so not really a lifetime ago).
I agree with everything that's being said in the video and am pro choice myself (don't know what I'd do in that situation since I'm lucky enough that I never had an unwanted pregnancy, or a pregnancy at all luckily, and the thought makes me panic). But let's not demonize what other people capable of getting pregnant would do or have done by saying they were stupid to keep it or that it's the WRONG choice. Neither choice is right or wrong in absolute terms, there's only the right choice for the pregnant person and people need to respect whatever that choice might be :)
@@malory1444 did you watch the show? if somebody is in a situation where they cannot provide for a childs basic needs and they end up neglected, willingly or not, you should not have a child.
God as a let's just say nonbinary trans woman this discussion is so bizarre for me, because it is virtually impossible I will ever get pregnant it is so difficult to do so for me, and I was raised with extremely forced-birth positions. So honestly between never having to deal with the problem of contraception and pregnancy, and being raised with that propaganda, I naturally took the "It's not my business, and even if I could have an abortion I wouldn't", but I see now that that position was still flawed, and I believe I'll be more outspokenly in support of abortion now.
Super glad to hear that!
The “and statistically it’s Marge” hit different
In all seriousness tho this video resonated with me a surprising amount considering I’m a lesbian who’s never had an abortion. Pregnancy has always been a scary concept to me and the idea of getting an abortion is even scarier even tho I know that’s what I’d do if I ever somehow got pregnant. Idk what else to say except thank u for making this video. There aren’t nearly enough honest takes on this topic and I can’t imagine what it must feel like to share ur experience. Idk how to end this uhhh be gay do crimes be nice to customer service workers trans rights
String Cheese Official
^^^^^^^ 100% it’s like I wrote this
I swear I have heard that line before
I always liked how Crazy Ex Girlfriend handled Paula’s abortion. When you really think about the statistics it’s surprising that more shows and movies don’t address mothers or older women getting abortion.
Yess cxg is such an amazing show and not enough ppl know it, it touches so many topics like this one and strikes up a conversation abt them
@@theredcoffeemaker Yup, that’s why Greg’s my pfp
Also feels a bit rare that the family being Catholic wasn't treated as *the* point of ideological conflict... It influenced how Paula felt about it, but so did her career, and her needs, and how it would affect the household.
I’m just surprised (but not disappointed) the Zootopia abortion comic didn’t get a mention
excuse me.. the WHAT?!
@@joesiemoneit4145 I will survive
Some people are lucky enough to have not known of the Zootopia abortion comic and _it shows_
Oh god, that comic is soooo terrible! The art is good, but the comic is absolute garbage.
@@CatofManyFaces apparently they meant to have Nick be seen as the bad guy but didn't do a good job of presenting it in that first comic. In later ones he's much more clearly shown as the villian for trying to get in the way of Judy's new lesbian relationship
As an ace non-binary person, the concept of being pregnant terrifies me. Thanks for making this video and talking about the topic
Same!! (fellow ace person here)
I especially hate the idea of my body changing so drastically against my will
It terrifies me as well. I'm not ace, I don't think but I never, ever, wanted to have children. It is just not for me.
Right! I’m not even ace or non-binary, but pregnancy terrifies and brings on the most severe feelings of discomfort for me. I respect people who were able to go through it, but man 😅 It.. 😅😅😅😅😅 *anxiety intensifies*
You don't have to be ace or non-binary to be terrified of getting pregnant. Its not a natural state of people who are the opposite of you to be all cool with the concept of getting pregnant.
Fellow ace enby here to give you an internet hug ❤❤❤
The show "Letterkenny" actually has a great scene where Tanis, the on again/off again love interest of one of the main characters, Wayne, informs him that she is pregnant. In the next episode, they meet up, and she's basically like "yeah, so I had an abortion, hope that was cool with you." And Wayne of course is totally cool with it. They just treated it like a fact of life, they weren't looking to be a family or have a child, it was what it was. and then it's never brought up again.
Letterkenny is such a good show
Where can I find this guy?!
I hate that the discussion has to rely on women (usually young) who NEED an abortion, you should always have the decision over your body no matter if it’s a life-ruining decision to keep
Abortion shouldn’t need a right reason or an excuse. It’s your body and modern medicine makes it the safest it’s ever been
It’s kinda nice that Diane got an abortion considering she was well off, married, and in her 30s. She was just not maternal.
@Divertissement Infinite im so glad i read this comment. Im too tired to write a well thought out thank you but i just wanted to say I never saw the "but what if they were raped/in danger of dying/etc." as an attempt to almost cater to the whims of the anti-choice party. The same choice panned across the population of those making that choice shouldnt be seperated by what that party considers "justifed" if youre arguing for rights to hold that choice. I now recognize this in many pro-choice arguments, including a few of mine. This is such a prevalent point thats made but it shouldn't be yet it does have its place in getting the anti-choicer to stop and reconsider..but again wish this didnt even have to be a resort..
Anyway thanks!
carolina hernandez cells which lack consciousness that could become a human being under the proper circumstances but is, itself, not a human.
carolina hernandez It can’t feel pain lmao.
carolina hernandez Sounds like they should’ve been aborted
That's so disrespectful. I understand people have their own opinions on abortion, but no one has the right to talk to somebody else's kid (a 4 year old child most likely) about abortion. They're way too young to even know about all that.
Alexei Soes the father also not have the right to talk to their child about abortion? He's pulling his daughter out in the cold to protest abortion rights, (did you see his sign?) so if speaking political messages to children is morally wrong, the father is just as wrong as Poopgirl Kaitlin.
@@hoominbeeing I said no one has the right to talk to *somebody else's child* about it. The parent themselves can talk to their kids about it
Alexei It is morally wrong to imbue morality in the children of others? Are teachers in public schools committing a moral wrong if they state: "Nazism is a dangerous political ideology, if we let it spread, we may get a second holocaust"? Similarly, some schools also promote LGBTQ acceptance, which, although noble, is still a moral stance, is that morally wrong too?
I despise Poopgirl and I am pro choice, but it is important to stay consistent when it comes to morality.
@@hoominbeeing Same reason why you wouldn't talk to someone's child about religion. The parents may be catholic and want their kids to follow that same path. Parents may also want their kids to form their own opinions on controversial opinions or form an opinion that reflects their own. Either way, it's the parent's choice on how they want to mold their child and no outside force should try to manipulate that.
Alexei If a parent wants to indoctrinate their children into Nazi ideology, and explicitly promote terroristic actions, is it still immoral for friends or strangers to try to convince the child to leave the ideology?
By that logic, there are some groups that are already committing moral wrongs! If a child is convinced by the charity Life After Hate to leave a hateful ideology their parents have foisted upon them, it would be the charity that deserves the scorn under your moral system!
I had an abortion. I didn’t have a good experience; I am autistic but I was undiagnosed at the time and the doctors and nurses didn’t know how to communicate with me. But I love that I was able to have an abortion. I didn’t want a child. Every child should be wanted, every parent willing.
as a nonbinary person who’s had an abortion with all the other people I know who’ve had abortions being men, I can often feel a bit pushed out of this conversation as usually it’s gonna centre women and therefore that’s the language that’s used, so I just wanna say thank you so fucking much for being conscious of your language. it’s seen and appreciated.
I can’t believe this is the first time I’m hearing someone talk about Saga on youtube! you just inspired a reread, I may have forcibly forgot parts of that whole plot line p:
Thank you, it means a lot that the language felt inclusive
Natalie Ayres I think what really struck me was obviously every piece of media you had centred women and therefore of course you used that language when referring to it, but whenever you were talking about pregnant people, that language was never exclusionary so yeah really appreciate it
and would definitely be into Saga content! extra excited for that reread now, haha. and I don’t want this to come off the wrong way, but there was something that felt a little different in the Saga section editing, not in any way where it felt off, but just that the “style” felt different if that makes sense, and learning that it was your own style coming through is really cool! keep at it!
i love how people are getting more conscious about the fact that it’s not just women who get pregnant and can have abortions. some women can’t get pregnant, cis or trans, and trans people who aren’t women can get pregnant.
Thank you for using gender-neutral terms, like "pregnant people"! Too often are trans and non-binary people forgotten in these discussions. As a transmasc enby, it means a lot. Thank you!
it made me super happy too, and made me feel like I dont have to be ashamed if I ever need an abortion either (since the main reason I would have one if I got pregnant is it would make me extremely dysphoric, and also I hate kids so I suffer both ways)
I grew up with my mom saying "yeah, I'm pro-choice but I'd _never_ put myself in a situation where I'd need one" to which I always responded "well I'm pro-choice and I'd probably get an abortion if I ever get pregnant at all". I've never wanted to be pregnant. I might adopt now that I'm financially secure
Avoiding abortion is better, which is why birth control should be freely available. But it isn't always possible to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Abortion is something in case other things either failed, or if certain things happened that make carrying it to full term a bad idea. There can be so many reasons for abortion, we should never judge someone that gets one.
Same
Adoption isn't the easy answer people think it is ruclips.net/video/Q6B8uHg7Gjk/видео.html
That's always been my stance. I hope never to get pregnant, but accidents can happen. It did make adults quite uncomfortable to hear me at 10 years old announcing I'd get an abortion if I got pregnant (in response to them talking about how I'd get pregnant and have kids which is...not something you should say to a kid anyway so be prepared to get a response you dislike!), but I'm very grateful to my parents for always being willing to help me understand why access to abortion is so important and why it shouldn't be stigmatized. Logically, it isn't the simple conclusion to come to, so that patience is sometimes necessary (when the person is genuinely trying to learn: people like in the videos shown are trying to incite argument and make you change your mind, that's a lost cause).
@@MissMoontree yeah, of course it is. but nobody *wants* to get an abortion, buying a 5 buck pack fo rubbers is infinitely easier and people know that
Im in my 40s, had an abortion in the 90s.... You're helping so many people rn. I'm a happy mother of a 13yo and a 4yo.. and I was/am happy with my decision then and now too.
When I was still very young, around the age of 7, I was being babysat by my Christian grandmother. She got a phone call on the landline and I picked it up on the other end. I don’t remember what it was specifically, but it was one of those spam call and was about abortion. I was really confused and asked my grandma about it and she described it as “people killing babies.” Which, of course, I was pretty upset about. She didn’t bother explaining it to me, or telling me all of the reasons why I women would have an abortion. Whether it’s to save the woman’s life, she didn’t want to have the baby conceived or can’t provide for the baby financially. All she said was that it was murder. Later on, when I was introduced to the term I understood it for what it actually was. I am pro choice now, and please do a good job when you teach children because I was pretty scared for a while
I have a high chance of prolapse and cant go off my medication because the fetus would have seizures (same if I stay on it). Pregnancy would be most likely kill me but people don't like to hear that.
Me: "Wow, Theresa May made 'nonessential' healthcare services not free for everyone, due to immigration fear-mongering? That's disgusting."
Also Me: is American 🙃
Vote Bernie, problem solved
I think it was only immagrants, not everyone, but I could be wrong, and it's still disgusting either way
All americans since 1854:
"Hey, i've seen that before!"
Dick Cheney and George Bush in the 1970s: "sounds like a great idea!"
Yeah I was so horrified with that concept but then realised... shit dude
did anyone else do a double-take on "shot dead by pro-lifers"?
like I know these people aren't ACTUALLY pro-life but that still made me chuckle in a dark way.
I'm sorry, he wrote a movie where women received a novel with description of her as a rape victim, and she was like "oh i do love the author!"??
That's like.
Who allowed this person to write scripts, when he obviously has zero understanding of people
YEP :)))
Wow, I REALLY appreciate that scene from Dear White People. It really illustrates just how much people really have to sacrifice in order to have a child, especially young women just trying to get their education or careers started. I’ve known SO MANY women who were in college or advancing fast in their dream careers before they unexpectedly got pregnant, and then had to put their ENTIRE lives on hold in order to raise a child. Giving up EVERYTHING they ever dreamed and hoped for for themselves. It’s sad. Heck, even when a woman working in a job she thinks she’s “secure” in gets pregnant by choice many of them end up being so overwhelmed with motherhood that they end up giving up on the idea of going back to work, even if that was their original plan. Or their jobs just let their position go while they’re on maternity leave. It happened to more than one woman I know. People don’t think it happens because “discrimination against pregnant employees is illegal” but good luck trying to hire legal representation for yourself to go to court against your employer when they have far more money to throw at legal representation for themselves. Meanwhile (cis) men who become fathers are not expected to sacrifice nearly as much. Certainly they are not expected to sacrifice their careers. Nobody is out here asking “can working fathers REALLY have it all?” because ofc they can. It’s always the partner who gives birth to the child that ends up bearing the brunt of the child-rearing, and ends of sacrificing more of their own personal goals in order to do so.
Pro-Life people protest at my school every semester, and I remember talking to two of them-- a young married couple, no more than 22 years old. The wife was pregnant. She barely said two words while we spoke, and stood behind her husband the whole time. I mentioned that I hate how men have a say in abortion because it literally does not effect them in the way that it effects women, and he got butthurt like "I can't believe you'd say it doesn't effect me because it does." It made me furious. At that point I had to walk away from the conversation, but I just can't believe he would tell me in front of his young, pregnant, obviously submissive wife that pregnancy and abortion effect and involve him the same way that it does women. Still makes my blood boil to think about. Like, okay dude, are YOU the one that has to deal with pregnancy? Are YOU the one that has to get demonized for your choices? Are YOU the one who deals with the physical and mental pain? Fuck outta here.
@@malakaiwillardson7117 Oh man, why didn't I think of that? Ah, because that's a straw man version of an argument in the pro-choice stance. Nobody fucking LIKES abortion you nitwit. It would be ideal if we removed religious stigma around sex, taught teenagers healthy sexual boundaries and provided easy access to birth control but for SOME REASON the same people who say they HATE abortion refuse to pass legislation that has literally been proven to lower abortion rates because that would ALSO mean that we stop demonizing women for expressing natural sexual desire.
Until we do all those things in tandem, abortions will continue. And personally, I'd rather women have access to save abortion practices if society refuses to acknowledge women as people and sex as a natural part of the human experience.
@@malakaiwillardson7117 And it's a lot easier to clean an infected cut, but sometimes life just happens and when the other possible options are death via blood poisoning or an amputation I'm pretty sure most people would want the leg gone. Is it better than having the cut get cleaned initially? No, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.
There's a really nice "abortions scene" in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High". Brad's sister, Stacy, gets an abortion after a boy she dated got her pregnant. She's not treated (by the film or her brother or her best friend) as being wrong for getting pregnant or getting the subsequent abortion. In fact her brother is really emotionally supportive and respectful of her privacy when he finds out. The only person involved who is villainized is the boy who got her pregnant, and that is only because he refuses to help her in any way (financially or emotionally) in going through the difficult experience of getting the abortion.
The clip of the woman harassing that man and little girl is disgusting. What a good guardian too, telling the kiddo immediately that she had a right to one, despite the vile shit that woman was saying. What a horrible topic to bring up to a child. I have a bit of faith seeing how the guardian handled the situation though, we need more people like that.
that is kaitlyn bennet, a piece of shit far-right spokesperson. she shat herself in public a few years back and now the only person who takes her seriously is herself
"statistically 1 of Marge, patty and selma has had an abortion, and statistically? its marge" best line in the video. best line on leftube. best line in anything ever
i haven’t even watched the simpsons and i knew it was marge. definitely best line
I remember in high school I had this friend who wore a pin of a little foot on her blazer that was supposed to represent the size of a fetus's foot at 3 months in utero. She went on a tangent about how horrible people who have had abortions are and said there's no exception for any abortion.
Guess who needed me to buy her a pregnancy test a month later because she was too scared? Guess who had to go with her to an abortion clinic as a front for her mother to not know (I was the "good" kid since I behaved in class and was nice to parents, but used this to get away with shit). I never told her "I told you so" but rather let her figure it out in silence.
Pro lifers: Ah yes, I don’t like abortions. Instead of just not having abortions, I’ll force my beliefs on other women, instead of minding my own business. Then I’ll get offended when they express dislike on something I support
If you believe an unborn child is a person, this logic makes no sense. The women is forcing their choice on the child
Pro Lifers: I don't like abortions! Fetuses are human beings! Life is sacred!
Also Pro-Lifers: Check out my gun collection! Also, we support the death penalty!
god. the line "the dreams she has for her daughter are the dreams she has for herself. and she's not giving that up." fucking hit so hard
I was in the camp of “but I would never get one” until I had a pregnancy scare at 17. From then on I’ve been pro choice and unashamed to be grateful for the fact I can obtain one easily and safely.
Yeah, my daughter pointed out to me how seldom an abortion storyline actually ends in an abortion...
Soooo. I thought I was pregnant and had an anxiety for a month. And suddenly a lot of memes, videos about young parents/abortion started to pop up in my feed. That doesn't help. Your video does!
(spoiler, I am not pregnant)
Olga Shishkina social media has been listening to us talk through microphones
@@jblue1622 I know and find it disturbing. It's not right to feed panic of people
God, what I would give to be able to know what it's like to be a woman. Videos like this help me to get closer, along with basic human empathy and being raised by a grandmother and single mother, but no matter what I do I'll never truly understand. So much PRESSURE is put on every person born with a womb to have and raise children in spite of any and all evidence to the contrary that perfectly normal human anatomy/physiology/psychology is suddenly out of the question because feelings. Humans have an unsurpassed ability to be cruel. I have no clue how we'll possibly proceed, I can only hope that factual arguments win in the end.
Also, Medical iPod(?)s For All.
Some Grumpy Leftist It certainly sounds like you have the “spirit” down.
I think as rational human beings, we should strive to understand others but also recognise our limits, as you have expressed. You have expressed more humanity than I have seen in many (not all tbf) so called “pro life” activists.
So as a person with a womb, I thank you for your humanity.
Want to hear something awful (and still not half as horrifying as it gets?)?
I was raised in Catholic school and abortion was illegal in my country (barring rape and the like) until I was six years out of high school, in 2008. While I became an atheist pretty early on, I strongly believed that abortion was murder long after that. I also knew that I'd absolutely get (hike to Spain, if need be) one if need be and if I couldn't, I'd just kill myself.
So, in high school, my mind was changing somewhat on this. When the subject came up in religion class, I asked the teacher what he and/or the RCC thought I should do if I became pregnant but the pregnancy was non-viable and could only end in my and the fetus dying painfully. Should I let myself die?
He hesitated but had to say..."Yes".
You could have heard a pin drop.
A friend of mine, who was very keen on having children in the future and who was the daughter of doctors and thus very aware of the many ways pregnancy can go wrong, took to 'reconciling herself to death'. Basically, this 15 year old girl would lay on her bed, late at night, and convince herself that if push came to shove she had to just embrace death, willingly, because it was what God wanted and thus the right thing.
She told me this in tears.
And as horrifying as this is...it's still not even remotely the very worst it gets.
Nocturnalux holy shit that’s horrible. I’m so sorry you had to hear that
"God, what I would give to be able to know what it's like to be a woman."
_3 years later, username changed from Some Grumpy Leftist to LovelyLydia_
Wish granted. 🎉😂❤
Every time you said “pregnant people” instead of “pregnant women” or “people with a womb” instead of “women” I felt a little better about my trans ass possibly needing one someday
I noticed that too! I know it doesn't apply to me because I'm MTF, but it's nice to know some cis people think and care about us.
same...
You made the comment that I came down here to write. As a fellow ftm, I seriously appreciated the gender-neutral language that was used, since when I usually try to find healthcare advice for me or whenever I try to take part in the abortion "debate" as someone still with a fully-functioning uterus but not a female-aligned gender, my dysphoria gets triggered a LOT . Seeing my problems as a nonbinary trans man being referred to as "women's problems" and reading the other campy language referencing the writer's obviously targeted audience of cis women and no reference to their actual audience, which includes all afab people and intersex people with some of the same problems that afabs face, just makes me uncomfortable and a bit sad. If only transgender issues and healthcare were taken more seriously by medical writers, governments around the world, and in our own educations at all levels so that this video wasn't a welcome oddity, but rather the standard.
It's okay to say women.
@@pastelpurpledeathbed Yeah, but afab trans people can still get pregnant and saying something other than women is more inclusive.
It's so strange. Hearing people say "I would never" when I grew up knowing if I DID get pregnant I would have an abortion (for many personal reasons).
I guess I was lucky enough to grow up in a family where that wasn't shamed.
My family never talked about abortion, but when I learned about it I never thought of it as a bad thing, forcing someone to carry a baby is one of the cruelest things imaginable
Honestly I never really encountered that. It was always framed as my choice and that’s it. Mostly by my father. My ma doesn’t like discussing such issues but that’s okay.
This was really insightful. I always believed I was 100% pro-choice, but this made me realize that there's a major stigma around this topic that's been influencing my views. We really need to normalize the idea that yes, women get abortions simply because they don't want a kid and no, that doesn't make their choice any less valid. Thanks for sharing. This is a difficult and emotional topic, and you talking about it can (and already does) help so many people. Abortions should be safe, legal, and accessable because everyone deserves agency over their own body, regardless of others opinions. :)
Oh my god, reading this made me so happy 😭❤
Here in germany abortions are legal, but u gotta pay them yourself. It is scary to see how people attack you because you arborted a child. An abortion requires lots of strengh, because it's an important life choise. Everyone calls a biological woman slut, whore and worse when they know they aborted a fetus. But nobody thinks how the person feels about it or why they did it. I knew someone who got bullied because she aborted. She ended up moving to a whole diffrent city and now is in theraphy.
@@mo.ka.9661 are we going to treat all life as sacred? does this include the already born children already thrown into adoption centers? at what point do we decide to start caring for cells in our bodies. do we care when people who menstrate have periods. can we not demonize people who can give birth for a natural part of life that can happen to anybody? can we have an ounce of nuance when discussing abortion and remove the emotional and philosophical part of when life starts. lets start being honest
@@mo.ka.9661 'humans' lol we arent talking about how the fetus isnt a human yet. itll be one but its not there yet. just because it will theoretically become a human doesnt mean it takes priority over the mother.. like where are your priorities if the choices+autonomy of the living actual born mother matters less than somebody that doesnt even exist yet.
but it doesnt matter! its a debate about giving the childbirthers autonomy over themselves. i dont actually give a shit about where life begins.. like yes it is indeed 'killing' something but are we going to cry over mosquitos and bugs.. are we crying over cells in our body. whatever who cares
i just want to extend my thanks for using terms like "people able to get pregnant" or "people with a womb". as a transmasc person who might want to have a child in the future, its great for someone to talk about things like this and not feel invalidated in my gender because of it. thanks :)
it was a very nice thing to hear, for sure
The most annoying thing is having to only say "woman" when talking with pro lifers. They're just...so narrow minded that they can't actually comprehend that trans men, NBs etc can often still get pregnant (although being on T can make birth itself dangerous)
They aren't synonymous though. I am a person with a womb (cis female) but I am not able to get pregnant due to a genetic condition.
hollow knight gang
@S No, it's not. Please do some research on what actual biology and sex is. I can't even begin to start on how inaccurate your statements are. The best starting place I can give you for a simple explanation is this (it is not an official source I would ever use in a paper, but it does provide a good explanation): official-transsexual.tumblr.com/post/612653150790402048/eroguru-official-transsexual-sidewaysspun. Another good source is here: www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/opinion/sex-biology-binary.html. And also here: newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female. Beyond that, you can do your own research; it's as simple as looking up "complexities of biological sex" on google. There's plenty of scientific articles out there that talk about the intricacies of biology, and not only that but also how it can be changed. The act of deciding a person's assigned sex at birth is nowhere near as accurate as you think it is. _Biology does NOT conform to western society's "perfect binary ideal" and never HAS._ If we want to be honest, there's no such thing as decidedly male or female. That doesn't mean considering one's physical makeup isn't important, or that it doesn't influence certain medical decisions or otherwise, but it DOES mean that a statement such as yours is not only insensitive, but also inaccurate. "Male" and "female" are social constructs we created to make sense of the world around us, and biology by no means conforms to these terms we created. _Male and female have no scientifically provable definition._ There will ALWAYS be an exception- you could say "female" refers to all people with wombs, but then that means every woman who might have had to get a hysterectomy for medical reasons is suddenly no longer a woman. Okay, well then what if female referred to every person with XX chromosome- except, there have been documented cases of people's developed and observed sex contradicting their chromosomes. But then, how do we decide on a scientifically provable definition, that is completely consistent? We can't. Meaning the statement, "You will always and forever be the sex you were born as..." has no inherit meaning to it.
So yes, phrases such as "those who are capable of pregnancy" are not only validating, but also helpful from an objective standpoint. "Fertile females" might make sense from a surface level, but when dissected tells us practically nothing. Because even if you choose to ignore _everything_ I just stated up above due to a closeted mindset, then I want to highlight that there are intersex people out there who may not be considered or denoted as female, but are capable of giving birth. Are they suddenly excluded from the conversation because they don't have a handy little "F" on their birth certificate?
Some people need to hear this, a baby won't solve depression. Really you'll put your kid through hell having to live with your mental illness. Help yourself first before bringing a kid into it.
As a cis girl from Alabama, where abortion is vilified by basically everybody and there's no good information about it, I found this video extremely insightful and I applaud you for posting it. Everybody capable of getting pregnant should have access to this kind of support and education from people who have actually experienced abortions, as well as good, lighthearted representation in fiction :)
I literally had my abortion a month before the Texas abortion ban. My hubby and I cannot afford a second child and I am not mentally ready to take on that responsibility
The lactation thing - so glad you mentioned this! While I have not had an abortion, my best friend had to have one a couple of years back. She was also surprised by this (surprise) lactation. It was uncomfortable, a bit embarrassing, and also somewhat emotionally taxing for her as she wasn't aware she would be producing and lactating some milk for the fetus (or potential baby) she chose not to continue gestating. So thank for your mentioning this lesser known occurrence associated with abortions.
These decisions are not taken lightly by the people choosing to undergo an abortion. While they may know that it's the right decision for them, that doesn't mean it is easy and isn't emotional. Thank you for speaking on this! Great video! ❤️
TW: Rape, Intolerant assholes, child abuse, a bitter sweet ending
In Brazil, I think the state of Rio de Janeiro, an awful case became big news. A ten-year-old girl who was being raped by her uncle was found pregnant (Investigations would later find out she was being also abused by her dad and her brother). Here, abortion is still illegal, with the exception of rape cases.
After an honestly too long process, the proceedure was green lighted. But get this: in front of the hospital where the girl was aborting, a few dozen of religious pro-life people protested for the procedure to be stopped. They shouted the girl was a murderer and the doctord were kidnapping feminists. I am not joking.
You know what's worse? THEY STORMED THE HOSPITAL. Police had to drag them out, and even though the protesters attacked doctors, the police disn't use violence. That's when the cavalry got there.
A feminist counter-protest kept the religious mass at bay while the abortion happened. A Twitter acount there posted: "The abortion is in the end. There is no going back. Victory!"
This happened only a few weeks ago. I let a few things aside, like when the known terrorist Sara Winter spread pictures and the name of the child while calling her a murderer. Bit that's just awful. Everything that happened these days was awful. And although they manages to get the child the care she needed, it hurts to see what it took.
I really hope that poor girl is doing alright
This lovely video demonstrates how easy and non-disruptive it is to say "pregnant people" instead of women. Thank you!!
Yay the erasure of biological women!
@@DoraM12 Oh because you don't think women are people? That's unfortunate.
If ya pregnant, yer a woman!
Cursed Canvas Transmen have all of that but the thing is that they don’t identify as women tho?
youmusthavebeen sober as a biological woman, I don’t feel like that term erases me at all. Shut up and take your transphobia somewhere else
One of the worst depictions of abortion and a woman's autonomy over her own body I've seen recently is the movie Dogma where an infertile woman who works in an abortion clinic and was left by her partner due to her infertility is made pregnant by an angel at the end. The whole point of the movie was about choice and at the end she has her choice basically taken away from her by being forcibly pregnant but it's treated like a miracle.
I'd agree if it didn't seem like she was happy about it. I think the point is that god/the angel knew this was something she wanted and gave it to her as a reward. (from what i remember)
Still a little bit weird gift but not the way you're describing it.
tbf, that ending reads more like God “correcting” the infertile woman’s lack of choice (wants to get pregnant but can’t choose to) by divine intervention, not just forcing her to be pregnant because reasons. granted, giving her the gift of being fertile would have been a better ending since she’d be able to actually choose to get pregnant herself.
being infertile isn't a choice??
@@TheyMadeMePickAName it isn’t
@@TheyMadeMePickAName there are methods to deliberately render oneself infertile (birth control, sterilization), but when describing someone as 'infertile' (or "barren" in older stories) it's implying a lack of choice, an inability on the body's part to conceive and/or maintain a pregnancy. And there are lots of things that can cause this, such as hormone levels affecting ovulation, problems in the Fallopian tubes, damage from disease, genetic factors, age, defects like a septate uterus, etc. AMAB people can be infertile, too, with low sperm counts or malformed sperm, etc.
This is why there are things like in vitro fertilization and other technologies designed to help people have kids. Reproduction is, unsurprisingly, complicated.
Portrait of a Lady on Fire has an excellent subplot around abortion, with the three women characters working together to end the pregnancy of one of them.
Exactly and it's also weirdly funny, in an absurd way, like when she tries to hang from the ceiling. It's also interesting to show that in many places and times in history abortions happened and were quite common.
Yes!
@@linemonssi4108 I live in Portugal, a deeply Catholic country (abortion only fully legalized in 2008) and the old ladies in the neighborhood would talk about all the many abortions they had. One, whose husband was a dick and refused to use birth control of any kind, had had something like 6 or so. It was extremely common.
She was just lucky it didn't end in disaster as these were back alley abortions.
"Yass, Tzarina" is replacing "Yas, Queen" for me.
Da Tzarina!
дааа царица
Too bad its not Russian (
It should've sound like "Tsaritsa" not tsarina :)
I'd rather live without a child than carrying the guilt of knowing i was a terrible mother who was unprepared.
Your not a terrible mother for getting an abortion. Your just a person in a situation.
Abortion representation is something I never realized the importance of. I also had no idea how common abortion is. Natalie, thank you for educating!
I honestly didn't know how common it was before literally that Bojack Horseman episode, either! I'd never heard that statistic anywhere which was why I said it so many times in this vid!!
Wow okay, props to that guy telling his kid she has a right to abortion while ushering her away from that crazy lady
I remember watching Juno for my Leaving Cert English class and I'm so glad I had a teacher who took the opportunity to emphasise the pro‐choice viewpoint the film was intended to have despite working in a very catholic school
when you pointed out the trend of 'person has to decide whether to have an abortion or not, but ultimately decides not to go through with it and is narratively rewarded' in stories i had to just sit here for several minutes. i don't think i've EVER seen or read any fiction concerning abortion where the person decides to terminate their pregnancy and isn't punished for it. even in works where they might discuss abortion and frame it as a good or at least neutral thing. this is a BIG thing in fan content creation circles as well - even communities that claim to buck trends and promote things that would be seen as 'deviant' in general society, it's so pervasive of a mindset they can't help regurgitating it without questioning why.
Shrill also has an excellent portrayal of abortion. And also the super useful fact that for people over a certain weight, the Morning After pill becomes less effective. I had to pause the show to scream about that for a bit. Feels like something that should be more widely known.
I didn't know that fact AT ALL thank you for sharing and I'm glad the show represented that!
I was talking to a friend recently and it came up that when we were children, both our mums had the same thing to say about abortion - basically, child-bearing people should have the right to have abortions, but not too many. It seems strange that we would both have this specific idea of some type of person who has "too many" abortions, since we grew up in different countries, and in dissimilar cultures within those countries. Even though our mums have basically nothing else in common, they both have this idea of a person who just repeatedly has abortions, and this was so ingrained in their concept of abortion that they had to pass it on to their prepubescent daughters as a key part of the ethics of abortion. As far as my friend and I could remember, neither mum expressed how many abortions could be considered "too many". Weird shit.
The fact that men can make and approve laws that regard women’s health is terrifying.
@@mo.ka.9661 In some countries they can´t.
@@mo.ka.9661 imagine thinking that there aren’t places in the world where women can’t vote or have a say in what laws are made
Views on abortion have shown it isn't correlated to gender. If women were making laws on abortions illegal, would that be okay then?
"Stories matter." Yes. Exactly. They are not the end all be all. They do not necessarily represent the ultimate truth of the universe, but they do, 100% of the time, MATTER.
I live in a state with *literally no* available clinics to my knowledge. The one planned parenthood we had in the entire state closed. I was sexually assaulted as a child, so I have the deep seated fear that one day it might happened again, and I might need an abortion, and I won't be able to get it. It fucking terrifies me. This is a really good and necessary video but it's difficult for me to get through because that fear just sits in the back of my mind, absolutely paralyzing.
When I was 19 I had a pregnancy scare with my fiance. We had already agreed that we were not interested in children for another decade, he had just deployed with the Navy and of course we had sex the night before he went, of course we did. And then my period was late, and I started getting really scared. He agreed immediately that anything I decided to do was the right thing, but if I decided to abort that that was the right thing because we were not ready, but if I decided to keep the possible child then he would be there the whole way. It turned out it was a false alarm, but at that time I was too distraught to make that decision. Just imagining having to make that choice put me in such a state because everyone around me had expectations for how I was going to answer that question. I was raised in an abusive household, where my sense of self and my sense of agency had already been damaged, and the fact that I was undiagnosed autistic certainly wasn't helping my processing either, and I did not tell my parents because I was terrified of what they might demand of me.
If I'd actually been pregnant I think I would have gotten an abortion? But it probably wouldn't have been until month 3 that I actually got my head together enough to pursue it, cuz there was no one in my world who was going to help me get there. and who knows if I actually would have been able to get the procedure by then? Who knows if I would have been able to understand the directions with no one else to guide me? Not me. That sure is shit
My parents want to know why I'm so angry at them for the subjects they just don't want to talk about, this is why. Because when we choose silence over discomfort, people die.
I had an abortion when I was 28. I was harassed leaving the clinic.
I'm so sorry that happened. I'm glad that you were able to get an abortion. You dont need to explain anything to anyone and deserve empathy.
Jesus I'd never even considered the impact of weeks of wait times on abortion. I was always pro-choice to begin with but that's another great argument why easy and quick access to abortion services is so SO important.
coming back to this in June 2022, when all rights are going out the window in the US and everyone is focusing on the perfect victims, this video is really comforting
oh man, that clip of the guy walking away with his daughter and telling the woman "I'll late-term abort you" was fucking gold!
God I love Princess Carolyn. She's such a good character.
That was fantastic! Thank you so much for speaking out about your experience, I was one of those people who said 'I am pro choice but would never personally have an abortion' for years until I had a serious pregnancy scare 4 years ago and it became personal. It's so important to hear these stories.
Great video, I know she's often controversial but Amanda Palmer's Voicemail For Jill is a really good song that pleads for people to talk more openly about abortion to better supportthose who need it, her touring show goes more in depth into breaking the taboos around discussion of abortions that dont fit the 'perfect victim' narrative.
Not to mention Oasis, which a lot of people get oddly mad at for not being a depressing dirge. I mean, she once tried singing it in a minor key but gave up half way because it wasn't right.
@@madelinevandongen1192 Yes! I saw her do a slightly downbeat Ukulele version once and damn was it weird...
Thanks for bringing Amanda Palmer into this. I've been a fan for years now, and The Dresden Dolls song 'Mandy Goes to Med School' just attacks the subject with incredibly dark humor. I'm sure it's not for everyone, but I've always enjoyed the energy of that song - I've gotten to see it live, and it was the 2000's - we were all so, so much younger then
That song makes me cry - it's so relevant and moving!
Please consider putting a "Content warning: Kaitlin Bennet" at the beginning of footage of her. Like, it's a little silly, but i swear I get headaches after seeing footage of her even if its her getting dunked on.
Lmao! I just envisioned a warning like
“Caution, this next segment contains maximum levels of cringe. Viewer discretion is advised.”
There's a new film that is either coming out soon or just released called "Never, Rarely, Sometimes, Always" that's about a girl travelling from Pennsylvania to New York to get an abortion and nearly everything that's been written about it says it's a beautiful supportive movie.
I've heard of a book with a similar premise, not too sure if they are related.
can confirm! i thought it was really good and sensitive.
High amounts of stress can lead to developmental problems. So regardless of whether or not you like that they're considering an abortion, it's better for the baby (if they don't decide to get an abortion) not to pressure pregnant people into having the baby. So the acceptance of abortion literally helps everyone here.
I was hoping you would mention Dirty Dancing... it's amazing how this old movie is still the best story involving abortion I've seen. It doesn't even have a focus on "imagining the child you could have had" like almost every other story you mentioned.
I cried listening to your abortion story because it was exactly like mine, I had horrible morning sickness and I was very early on in the pregnancy. I had a nightmare I was pregnant so I took a test and it was positive. My family and Fiance supported me and I knew I needed to get the abortion, I was 19. Went in and got it done, on the way home I ate fast food and cried. It was an overwhelming experience.
I got pregnant while on the pill, and I've only ever had one partner, my Fiance
“Get that fetus” is a zinger though. 😂
Truly 🤣🤣🤣
It’s catchy?
Im not ever planning on having sex (im asexual) so the possibility of pregnancy is very distant to me but im certain i would abort, its just so surreal to imagine to me
thank u for saying "people capable of getting pregnant" instead of women, it's nice to hear as a person capable of pregnancy who isn't a woman :)
As someone living in the north of Ireland how we ended up getting our rights is disgusting
Like our parliament collapses and that’s the only way we can achieve our rights
Don’t get me wrong I’m thrilled that we have FINALLY been granted what both the rest of the UK and Ireland have had for years, but it kind of stings that that’s the only way we could achieve it
I did find it unsavoury that Stormont was 'threatened' with legalising same sex marriage and abortion like it was some kind of punishment. Why didn't Westminster step in and legalise both far sooner? Oh well, at least it's legal now.
As a person born female, I knew maybe less than a third of the things you said about abortion at the beginning.
I remember I was like 15 when I first heard that there are countries that have antiabortion laws and that there was such a thing as pro-life. I thought that the world had gone insane.
When we had the referendum to legalise abortion in the Republic of Ireland I was too young to vote. Despite this, I educated myself so I could debate with relatives and teachers on the issue. I knew it was something that was going to affect my life in the future, even if I wasn't allowed to have an official say in it (bring the voting age down to 16!). We were at war with a conservative male teacher at our school over his 'pro life' views.
Come the day of the vote, I made sure both my parents went to the polling station to cast their votes, even though my dad had a broken leg and was in crutches.
Abortion was legalised by a large majority and people celebrated the fact they wouldn't have to make any more covert journeys to england to terminate pregnancies. I celebrated, glad to know that my friends and I would never have to travel for an abortion like previous generations. As someone who doesn't want children, having that choice is important to me, and I was so proud of the Irish people who voted to give me that right.
(Also I love Dirty Dancing, it's a fantastic film).
Yeah, so, somehow this video brought up so many feelings I spent two hours writing a mini-play about a trans man struggling with deciding whether to get an abortion or not. And yeah, I'm a trans guy myself. I never had an abortion, but I had some preg scares so I have a lot of thoughts and feelings about this I didn't realize I needed to take time to process
I can't imagine how much more complicated this would be to process as a trans man. It would be fantastic to see this experience represented in a play.
@@Natalie-kl3er it really is, honestly. I wrote it in my native language, but it's fairly short so I could translate it fairly easily, if it's actually of any interest
Abortion "railroads" in Poland are going to fall apart completely during the current epidemic, seeing as there's no way to cross into Slovakia (where abortion is legal without caveats) without going into a two-week quarantine. Quarantine within the same exact system that denied ya an abortion (at this point, it's difficult to get a safe and legal abortion even in the event of rape or when the fetus is unable to ever survive ex utero). Not great.
just wanted to post that, sometimes seeing things like these or reading how different the laws are in other countries i am stunned in what country we live in, puppet state owned by church and top 10%
I hate people who say that abortion is murder. Often, mothers who get their babies aborted do it because they can’t take care of the child, so really, they’re saving the child from a life of misery.
Edit: I do NOT think poor families and kids are better off dead, I just think that a woman shouldn’t force herself to have a kid she doesn’t want, because then the child will grow up unhappy and the woman will be unhappy and nobody’s happy. I’m not into late abortions or anything either. I worded this comment weird and I’m sorry
So kids that grow up in poverty are better off dead? I don't like that argument
@@annewithane7876 not that that’s not what I mean, I never said that, I mostly mean if the mother doesn’t want the kid, isn’t ready or can’t take care of it or anything, the kid will grow up neglected/abused in foster care/otherwise unhappy. I am NOT into killing kids who are already alive or late abortions either. This is a matter of a woman taking control of her own life, not killing babies
@@annewithane7876 honestly I guess I worded this wrong.
I honestly think dirty dancing helped make me even more pro choice than i might have been otherwise
I thought Call The Midwife did an 'alright' job, even if it still fell into the "perfect victim" and "bury your abortion" tropes at parts. The whole arc of season 8 was about abortion and the different reasons people seek it, and the impact being forced to have it done illegally.
SPOILERS
In the first episode, a young nun (I think she's like 19?) is made to help out a model, who another midwife snuck into the house, who needs help passing what's left after her illegal abortion. Being a young, naive, nun and midwife, she's made to think about why somebody would go through this.
In episode four, a friend of one of the midwives discovers that she's pregnant. She's poor and is struggling to raise her two other children as it is. She seeks a legal abortion, but is denied because it isn't medically necessary. She gets an illegal abortion instead, but suffers an infection from it and then dies on the way to hospital. It's definitely "Bury Your Abortions", but it's emphasised that she would have been fine had she not been denied a safe abortion. Her husband isn't angry that she had the procedure, he's angry that it had to be done unsafely. Her death isn't a punishment for her actions, it's a sign of what was wrong with the law.
In episode eight, another midwife discovers that her grandmother is an illegal abortionist. She grapples with the fact she knows these women need help, but that her grandmother is not a medical professional and is hurting these women, even if the cause is noble. Her grandmother won't stop though, so she decides to report her to the police. They end up getting the woman from the first episode to testify, to admit that she had an abortion and that she was harmed (IIRC she isn't able to have kids as a result). IMO it doesn't claim that the woman should regret seeking an abortion, just that she should have been able to safely. The tragedy isn't the abortion itself, just the consequences of restricting access to abortion. The midwives discuss the case, they're angry that these women had to resort to such risky options. (One of the midwives also works at a family planning clinic, where they prescribe the pill, which is still pretty new in this time period)
Throughout the next season, the granddaughter of the abortionist is racked with guilt about sending her to prison. She goes to visit her in prison, the grandmother is forgiving, and it's like, she's sorry for the harm she has caused, but it's clear the harm was the unsafe practices, not the abortions.
Thank you for this. I hope you make more videos, this rules!
Adding to the "positive representations of abortion in media": the show Six Feet Under, Claire gets an abortion while in college and bonds with her brother's girlfriend during the process. Claire's boyfriend later finds out and gets pissed and they break up, but I'd argue that the writers' took her side as he is shown to be an extremely childish and jealous man.
Coming back to this 2years later (it sucks its still relevent), it's kinda funny to hear Abigail and Sophie's perspectives pre transition.