Jaquaysing the Dungeon
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- We talk about how to improve your dungeon design by Jaquaying your dungeon with multiple entrances, loops, and secrets!
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EDIT: It’s “Jaquaysing the Dungeon” because the artist’s name is Jennell Jaquays (with an “s”). I messed this up when I made the video.
UPDATE 2/6/204: I am choosing to keep this video up and to keep calling these principles "Jaquaysing the Dungeon" to honor the life and legacy of Jennell Jaquays.
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UPDATE 2/6/204: I am choosing to keep this video up and to keep calling these principles "Jaquaysing the Dungeon" to honor the life and legacy of Jennell Jaquays.
Thank you for this. This is certainly her method, and it should keep her name, and we should get it right.
Thank you! It means a lot to the trans community who are ttrpg gamers.
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I was unfamiliar with Jennell’s work until until watching this video today, and am now down a rabbit hole exploring the treasure trove that is her back-catalogue. I’m sad to hear she’s no longer with us, but am thankful for videos such as this which keep her legacy alive for the uninitiated like myself.
Hi! Sorry if I'm being inopportune, but can I ask the source of the music in the video? In particular the ones at 5:35 and 7:29.
THANK YOU, FOR ACTUALLY DRAWING A MAP AS AN EXAMPLE INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPT.
Not enough people do that with dungeon design videos. Thank you.
Ha! You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Agreed, I can't tell you how much you've helped me understand some of these concepts!
Yesss! This absolutely helped. even some of my favorite youtube channels just talk about dungeon concepts and tho they are helpful, actually SEEING what you're talking about is much more helpful to me. Definitely subscribed and will check out your other videos for inspiration to run a dirty dungeon crawl!
Yeah this was my issue too. I could understand a lot of what the Alexandrian was saying across many of his articles but this one always baffled me without a good visual example of it being done.
So sad to hear that Jennell Jaquays has passed away this week. I was very fortunate to work with her on Central Casting. A legend will be missed.
This is weirdly magical to see the map transform and come to life. I will 100% be making maps like this from now on!
Thank you mike! I hope you find it useful and fun!!
BTW It’s “Jaquaysing the Dungeon” because the artist’s name is Jennell Jaquays (with an “s”). I messed this up when I made the video.
Thank you for fixing this.
@Creatotron I think he was pointing out that the base verb is "to jaquays", not "to jaquay". It'd be like bus, gas, and times as verbs.
That said, as far as I can tell it was The Alexandrian which coined the term. Justin chose "to jaquay" as the base verb. The S was dropped, perhaps for aesthetics since apparently verbs ending with a single S are very rare in English.
@Creatotron ROFL thank you for this!
@Tom_Het one small correction; this is an irregular verb: Jaquaysed and Jaquaysing both have an “s”.
Thank you.
Not everyone can draw such a swell map
That isometric graph paper is choice. It really makes it feel like an actual space, rather than the traditional grid style!
Her name is Jennell Jaquays by the way, with an s on the end. As she's said before the term really ought to be jaquaysing the dungeon ;)
Haha! Marvelous! I had watched an interview with her to get it right, but botched it none the less, it seems!
The verb is jaquaying tho; the two are related, not the same, no? Be like saying 'smithing' ought to be 'o'smithing' because there are o'smiths out there.
@@lickenchicken143 Jaquays herself has been the one to request the change. The term is referring to a specific person, not a vague general category
These particulars are making me jaqueasy
@@MrCantStopTheRobot your internet pursuits are self or perhaps algorithm directed, Mr. Unstoppable.
There are two more points I would add:
Every exit is an entrance and every entrance is an exit. If your map shows one entry point at the start of the dungeon and one exit point at the end in the boss's chamber or treasure room, then you already have a dungeon with two entrances and two exits.
And this leads to point two I would add:
Most of the dungeon is skippable if there is an exit right next to the goal, becaus ethat exit is an entrance. No matter how many entrances/exits you have and how many optional paths there are, the goal of the dungeon, the Big Boss, the Treasure, the Hostages, should be aproximately equidistant from each entry/exit point. Secret passages can create shortcuts, but the openly vissible and accessible paths from any entry need to go through as many obstacles, threats and rooms as the paths from any other entry. There is a reason the Minotaur sits in the center of the labyrinth, not at its exit.
In the sense of realism, you're absolutely right. But for the reality of being a game world, unless getting back _out_ of the dungeon is meant to be a challenge in itself, dungeons of this style generally allow players to _Skyrim_ their way out, like a hidden latch only accessible from the interior that leads you out between some anonymous boulders. This way, the PCs can more quickly and easily get to whatever the next interesting situation that they're going to find themselves in, instead of just wasting time backtracking for realism's sake.
The minotaur is in the middle of the dungeon because he's lost as shit, that was entirely the point of that dungeon, a good dungeon doesn't make itself annoying for the sake of jerking itself off, hidden exits are stupidly common in places that could need to have people leave them, like the white house, the key is that the way is guarded subtlety and kept secret
@@darkowl9 In a TTRPG there's zero need to let players Skyrim their way out. Unlike a video game, where time flows at a fixed pace, you can easily handwave the time needed to backtrack to a relevant/safe entrance. You don't have to compromise verisimilitude because there's already a feature that solves that problem.
@@dmdizzy ok, and do you think the big bad wants to spend 40 minutes walking through his home to go outside?
@@calebbarnhouse496 That's very dependent on who and what the big bad is. There's a fair chance that a BBEG who even has a lair like this has underlings who take care of whatever petty matters require actually going outside. Or, if they do have a personal exit deeper in the dungeon, it might not be something the players can even use. Something like aerial/ceiling entrances or underwater tunnels.
Great video! One thing I would add is that if you have a secret passage it should serve a purpose - not just exist for the adventurers to find.
Perhaps it is there so the denizens can bypass a hazard or trap. Maybe it's there so some monsters can avoid others. It may have served a purpose previously and been forgotten about by the current occupants...
There should always be a reason.
"The previous owners wallpapered over a door and decided fixing it wasn't worth the hassle" is a personal favorite of mine.
And sometimes that reason can be that it functions better to have a link! A cave system has plenty of excuses to have underused or unnoticed cracks and passages. Some things are not designed, but simply happen to exist! But it is a good idea to think about the reality of the space, and about the whys and hows
A dungeon that I added multiple entrances to was a kua’toa cave lair consisting of a series of cave chambers connected by water-filled tunnels, who’s main entrance was underwater and opened into a lake. The alternate entrances were a concealed chimney/air channel just big enough for a Small size character to fit through, and a narrow underwater channel leading to the kua’toa toilet chamber.
Excellent summary of a technique that seems to have been forgotten in a lot of "modern" dungeon design!
It was also not terribly common in "classic" dungeon design. Lotta stinkers. The good ones get remembered. And modern dungeons have both, too. Age of Ashes from PF2e has some really great level design. What's the proportionality? Dunno; doubt anyone's done a comprehensive study. But if i had to guess, i'd think rose-tinted glasses have a lot to do with it. And the fact it gets called Jaquaying, after the Alexandrian article, shows 1) our design philosophy's come a long way, and 2) it couldn't have been all *that* common back then, or we'd just call it "classic dungeon design." But no, that could mean hiding initials in maps or instant death pit traps or any number of... less-useful things. Now we can learn from the mistakes of the "classic" past and the "modern" past.
@@origami_dream Oh god classic dungeon maps are awful but they have a lot of good ideas. I often use materials from ADND for my campaigns and the base design is more often than not technically flawed like dungeons make no sense 🤣
Let's all take a moment to appreciate how cool it is that Jennell Jaquays got a whole methodology named after her! What a badass!
And now Alexander is trying to retcon and erase her name and take credit for her work. What a coat riding sack of garbage.
Wow, thank you very much.
I am a person who dreams of becoming a game developer in Korea. I'm studying level design these days, and it helped a lot. Of course, I think I missed half of the English interpretation.
Anyway, thank you so much.
It was quite helpful.
Right on!! Also be sure to check out the people on Across RPGSEA for some of the fine developers from South East Asia too! Cheers!!
I love the way that you telegraph enough info to the player to make the choices meaningful instead mere chance or luck. If the player sees no difference, it may as well be the same path or a dice roll.
Not a lot of people seem to be aware, but the Alexandrian has a RUclips channel now, too! I'm always glad to see more exposure for him and his articles :)
He does? Thanks for this comment!
I love this video format - From the thumbnail, your to the point explanation, your craftmanship with isometric map making. It's so fun to watch and learn!!
Oh wonderful!! I’m so glad you find this interesting!! Cheers!!
You talking about having a different set of professional work and work for your home game reminds me of what happened when me and my buddy overhauled survival and overland travel (originally for 5e, later for Pathfinder 1st edition)
Both of us are DMs that play in each other's games, this becomes somewhat important to understand the chain of events. So I decided to do a complete overhaul of wilderness travel and exploration, and used my players as Guinea Pigs in a travel focused one shot. They all loved it so my buddy adopted it in his game, made some modifications for his campaign (which I'm a ranger in), and massively expanded it to include options for traveling slower to get downtime. I loved this and adopted his expansion into my own game. But the two separate rulesets were confusing for our players so we decided to get together one day and codify it. So we write like a 10 page word document for survival, wilderness travel, resting, entertainment, and an expansion of downtime.... Shortly after codifying it my campaign ended so I started another one, and immediately modified my own rules to suit my campaign (it was written for general high to epic fantasy and I was running a campaign set in a lower fantasy dark ages) and then my buddy modified the rules again for his own campaign which was now set in an alternate 1890s Earth. So while we were still using basically the same survival rules at their core, we still ended up with houserules upon our houserules tailored to our own campaigns, and we continued to modify them for each new campaign. And despite designing them together I don't think either of us has ever used the houserules exactly as written.
We also did literally the exact same thing with dungeon delving later (although that was significantly less expansive) taking a lot of rules from other systems (especially AD&D) and revitalizing and revamping them to fit our preferred system (Pathfinder 1e). And again I have houseruled my own houserules pretty much every campaign I've run to better suit my group and setting.
I almost cried when you brought up your experience with this particular map, because I had a sudden flood of memories of my very first adventure, where I DMed this for my brother. Thank you for the nostalgia trip and helpful tips!
Oh wow! Yeah, memories of gaming can be so precious and bittersweet. Cheers!!
_Black Fang's Cave_ is my favorite back pocket dungeon. The adjustments I've made to it mostly deal with the ecology of the dungeon, and how it changed when the original inhabitants left, when the goblins moved in, and when the dragon started lairing there. I've heard the term 'Jaquaying the dungeon' before, but hadn't thought about it much. Good video.
I think it would be great to just give the goblin king the key. He has a reason to hold it (he’s a leader and the door is dangerous), and it makes the second entrance a more effective shortcut if the players don’t want to fully explore the dungeon.
i'd go with putting it on the water guard working for the dragon. He communicates with the dragon using a small peon that can squeeze through the crack, but if you kill the water guard before the goblin king he won't warn the dragon since all the goblin peons are dead.
making the goblin king technically lower rank than the water guard in the dragon's eyes can also opens up some interesting charisma/intelligence RP between the two if the party is clever and/or the dm provides information about the location beforehand
Map Crow, I love this video because you talk about the topic and talk about utilizing it while also physically prepping your game. Excellent to watch and listen to!
Wonderful! I’m glad you like it!
I'm not a dungeoneer but this will certainly come helpful in my future map layouts. Thanks
This was really clear and concise. I appreciate how you used a pre-existing dungeon to demonstrate this on.
I recently (well, 6+ months ago) GMd this very dungeon and I gotta say I wish this vid had already been out because it is a definitive improvement. Much as I enjoyed it in its as written form, your mods really make it shine. Thanks for the inspiration.
I think the Dungeon as written is a lovely one-shot introduction to the hobby, deploying is as anything more than an introduction to new players and GMs is probably asking too much of it. Than you for the kind words!
Your drawings of skeletons are adorable.
1:17 "so avoid spaces that just have one route that goes straight through"
Yeah, Skyrim! Geez!
DM puts multiple roads/possibilities for the party to choose and explore.
*The party splits*
Thank you so much for sharing this. I love your video. It is short to the point. You give credit to the person from whom you got the idea. And you explain it very well. Thank you so much for sharing this.
Interesting idea, really lets you add more personality to a dungeon
What an excellent, relaxed technique video. I really enjoy watching you draw as you go, and your thumbnails are excellent.
Ben from Questing Beast sent me, and I'm glad he did! Subbed.
Thank you! I was so pleased to open up the Glatisant yesterday to see I got mentioned! Ben is an inspiration to me, so it was a wonderful honor! Cheers!
I saw this featured on the Deeper in the Game blog. Great video! I use the same techniques for overland travel. Giving the players multiple, descriptive, looping paths works at any scale.
Thank you! Yeah! It’s very similar to a point crawl, except there are stronger barriers and wall!
This was super helpful! Thanks for drawing the example, it illustrated the point really well, especially adapting an existing dungeon
Fantastic video! Anyone who wants to design adventures could benefit from giving this a watch!
Jennell has asked that we use and pronounce the S In "Jaquaysing". But I love that my friend is a verb in the industry.
Yep! I found that out yesterday, I have corrected the title and the description. This video is a year old.
Interestingly, the first thing I thought of when you wrote down those 3 guidelines is Elden Ring, they do an incredible job with their dungeons and are a pretty great example of all of those things!
Have you played Dark Souls 1? The entire game is a giant stormveil-esque space that loops back on itself.
@@Salsmachev oh yeah DS1 is one of my absolute most favourite examples of level design ever, it's phenomenal
I love it! Nothing like a good example to really explain a concept!
So I 100% agree with this concept. The more dynamic and flexible a dungeon is the better.
I think one thing I've always struggled with when I look at a map like this though is finding verisimilitude with the general layout.
I'm going to make some assumptions that could 100% be wrong, but I think it addresses my point regardless.
I've seen maps like this fairly often where we could draw some lines where like... The skeletons, Goblins and Spiders are all in conflict with each other within the dungeon. ((Again, I don't know for this one if that's the case.)) I do like how that provides a lot of room to creatively pin them against each other. Baiting the spiders to come in and attack the goblins, or luring the skeletons away to skirmish with the others as you sneak past, maybe being able to negotiate with a cowardly goblin and eliminate the spiders for some information or assistance. I think all that can be super cool, but to make it a believable situation, I feel the maps need to be much bigger to give each faction within the space to breath in a more natural and believable way.
If we assume the spiers are predators to the goblins, it feels strange to have them sleeping so close to where they could be attacked for example.
I'm curious if anyone has any insight in creative ways to deal with this issue without having to expand the map to more naturally space out conflicting factions within the dungeon.
You are correct that making a dungeon larger will make it seem more plausible, however the play experience won’t really change that much, in my experience. It really depends on how you interpret the map to your players more that what is on the map. I am generally more concerned with a compelling and transparent game world than I am with an accurate simulation, but to each there own!
This is very timely, because I find myself revising one of my dungeons now. Thanks for sharing!
Lovely video with superb presentation. It really doesn't get much better than what's presented here.
That 1e pathfinder dungeon was my first ever RPG experience. Thanks for bringing back so many good memories man
I ran this dungeon for my players! My version of it, at least. They had a blast, and ended up using all three entrances over the course of the adventure!
Oh wow!! That’s wonderful!!
Best one yet! Loved the old shout out to your younger self then the awesome modifications. It's actually a fun creative mind game, draw a standard semi-linear dungeon, then start noodling about to Jaquay it. You just invented a new solo game of the hobby!
This was really great! Informative, clear, and not overly long!
Love it! Keep up the good work man!
Even if it was long you could always just come back you know, youtube allows you to see your comment on top of this section so even if youre switching from mobile to pc you can see your time stamp.
I was attempting to describe this concept to somebody else. Now I have a go-to video for those newer DMs. Thank you!
I discover you a few weeks ago and I have to say that your way of comment and explain things... is so straight forward and full of wisdom but not the toxic ego, like some other egocentric people that says "I am going to tell you how to...". I want to thank you, because, despite I draw like a 5 yo toddler, I can arrange info for my adventures, or systems or whatever, inspired in the way you explain things visually, and I am very grateful about your videos!
Oh thank you for the kind words! I'm so glad to hear these videos are helpful for you! While I'm proud of my work, I've only been able to learn because of so many wonderful folks sharing their knowledge and resources, so I want to try to do the same!! Cheers, Daniel!
Brilliant. I love the concept of Jacquaying and it looks even better with a beautiful isometric map.
Very good summation of the classic design formula for a D&D scenario. Liked the illustrated approach very much!
I prefer to Jamiroqaui the dungeon, but its difficult to travel without moving.
Ah man when you first mentioned the criteria I thought this was going to be one of those suggestions that end up just adding more prep for very little benefit in the game.
But the last few sections.
Flavourful options.
Unique experiences
Options for creating roleplay and character spotlights(rogue lockpi king door)
I think it's great.
Baldurs Gate 3(still in early access at this moment)
Does this incredibly well
(Spoiler I guess?)
The first "dungeon" u get to is a cathedral.
And the amount of options u get to enter is astounding for a video game.
(In my few playthroughs)
1. Big door where you meet companion. Rogue lockpick(u enter a trapped room so the rogue with some evasion get more spotlight) this puts u in the crypts below.
2. The main above ground entrance.
U have to fight some humanoids above. You can lie to the guard behind the door and says your his friends outside(charisma character spotlight)
This leads you into the library for a straight fight with the enemies behind the door.
3. Dropping the pillar hanging above a hole in the ground. (It's under construction and gives ranged characters something other than enemies to hit). This gives you the drop on the enemies in step 2. As you land in behind them(or was it on them)
4. Back cave exit. I only noticed this leaving the dungeon the first time. But after the trapped room. In a nice crossroads of trap room. Exit cave. Humanoid entrance and the final boss. It all links up nicely.
I never noticed how fun that was outright untill you explicitly mentioned it and explained it it in this video.
This is an amazing example. I mostly make overland maps but these concepts can be applied in a larger scale as well! 😊
Just discovered your channel. I would watch a whole series of these!
This was kind of amazing because I'm actually really familiar with all of these elements; Jaquaying from the Alexandria and the Pathfinder beginners box. I'm actually running the beginners box again this week for a new group of players. This is probably my 10th time running it because it is also my favorite starting dungeon. I will definitely be making these changes. This all just came together at the perfect time. Amazing.
Thank you so much for watching, and for the kind words!! If you run the dungeon with changes inspired by this video, let me know how it goes!!
I've been wondering how to Jaquay little 5 Room Dungeons like this. This was so useful, thank you!
In my first ever DnD session, the DM had an optional route to the end of our first dungeon.
It was a steep slope-like tunnel meant as an escape route for the enemies, however I asked if my rogue with a +6 in acrobatics could scale it.
He let me, I rolled a 19 and with my rope I helped my party get up there...
This was really eye opening and I will definately be improving my dungeons in the future!
Not sure how I ended up here but I really enjoyed this video, thanks.
Great video. I really love the idea of drawing out a map like that.
High ground. I’m sold
props for getting the name right!
thank you I extremely struggle with level design in my games this really helps lmao
This was great! I love seeing this concept visualized. Justin’s article is fantastic and this is a great visualization of it.
Thank you for all of the excellent dungeon advice
great video and thank you so much for the grid paper 🙏
This was awesome to watch :D This dungeon was also my entry into PF 1e as a DM. My players loved it back then but this would definitely have made it even better.
Informative and practical; nice video!
This video just helped me make my games more fun for sure. Thank you!
Very nice Ideas on expanding and working on a map/dungeon! Love it
Great advice, it's just a few weeks too late for my first dungeon design (though it's an introductory dungeon set in a townhouse so not many options for entrances/loops) and my party's about to enter The Mists so it'll be a while before they get into anything new that I've personally designed, but it's certainly useful information to keep in mind!
Interesting. Some of the best Metroidvania video games employed these principles as well.
I like the ideas - thx so much!!
Very fun! thanks for the video!
Thank you for watching! And for the kind words!!
try doing it the other way around. You know. Just roam a blank map and trace the route then build around it making sure everywhere you looked at will be something to put an eye on.
There are many wonderful systems for doing just that.
Easy mode entrace: Obvious entrance
Medium entrance: Locked door in a graveyard or mausoleum with enemies surrounding entrance, requires knkowledge to find
Hard mode entrance: Fall through a trap door into spider boss, no way to leave dungeon from this room
This is a great idea to think about it!!
Now you're thinking with Dark Souls.
Mind expanding 🤯
Dude this was soooo good
Music at 1:00 :
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So good!
Definitely like re-purposing FPS arenas as dungeons.
Read the article as well as Slyflourish’s but seeing it laid out like this with a very nice iso map was very helpful. Thanks!
Beautiful video
Very insightful, regardless of the medium one might use the technique for.
Rule #1, multiple entrances
Rule #2 Apply Rule #1 recursively
Rule #3 Apply Rule #2 secretly
Algorithm is kicking in, see you at 7k subs soon.
*Wow more like 10k soon at this rate.
This is amazing
Awesome video!
I love The Alexandrian.
Just like to say, from a worker angle, I respect not correcting the E at the start. We all got other shit to do.
Imagine being DMed by Map Crow but not getting to use awesome Map Crow maps in his game!
Or worse, finding out that your DM is Map Crow and that he's been holding out on you.
Super useful, thank you!
Perhaps a better term since we’ve all been getting her name wrong is “Jaquaysian Dungeon Design.”
Yes! I've made the corrections in the video description and comments to reflect this. When I get the chance later this summer, I plan on making a follow up video that will address this correction as well.
Thank you, a useful way of looking at dungeon design.
A couple of questions:
How would you give the dragon a way of leaving/entering his lair without messing up encounter sequence, a chimney perhaps?
Could the measures each monster group takes to defend against the opthers add another layer of interest?
What type of graph paper is this and where can I find it? It looks awesome and I would love to utilize it :)
Also, just found your channel. You've definitely gained a sub! This is amazing :)
Good concise explanation of concept. However, your modifications to the map will also impact one under-discussed dungeon concept; chain reaction encounters and villain contingency planning. Adding new connections to areas will potentially transmit light/sound of party activity and alert/agro other (now connected) inhabitants of those areas.
Does the dragon occasionally peek out of the smokey crack and get a heads up that her lair has been invaded? How will that change the encounter in her lair?
Can the goblins be alerted to the party by hearing them slay spiders? What are their orders regarding intruders?
Sometimes dungeon spaces are treated almost as pocket dimensions that can have no bearing on any other rooms/encounters no matter what the players do. And, while simple and easy to run, also lack the rich complexity of a more realistic nature of a layered defense and escalating tactics one would find when dealing with an intelligent opponent.
Great map!
Thank you so much!!
Brilliant ty!
Thanks.
Always trap the "easiest path". Its human nature to always seek the 'safest route'
Where did you found the music for this video? I absolutely love it!
The way you hold your pencil is maddening - But great video!
Where can I find this type of graph paper?
Well, I made it myself. Each diamond is 1cm by 2cm
How does the dragon get in and out? Hole in the roof of its chamber to fly through would be my choice but that give you a 5th entrance to consider.