Philoscia muscorum 'Red Edge' (my finding/creation) is a fairly small and fast isopod thriving in humid enclosures. Most individuals are shy, especially when kept with predators, but a few individuals are much more fearless and serve as colorful decorations too.
Yeah same here guys. I was wondering yesterday on what isopods do well in smaller enclosures, and he posted a video within minutes of me thinking of that, and then now today I was thinking about more humid enclosures, and bam, this video! Haha
It would be great to see the spectrum….High humidity, medium humidity, and normal (low) humidity.. I struggle with this with my daughter’s and I cultures.
You rock Rus! I was just thinking about this the other day. I've got a tropical, high-humidity, plant-only terrarium I want to add some isopods to. But I wanted something larger than the dwarf whites and purples I usually use. I was considering adding some of my Cubaris blue pigeons, but I'm not sure if there's enough ventilation for them. Although I don't have Porcellio dilatatus yet, so maybe this would be a good excuse to pick some up.
If it is plant only, blue pigeons might be a good option. Most of the Cubaris require little ventilation. I didn’t include them here party because they would be expensive snacks if macrofauna decided to eat them. In your setup you wouldn’t have that issue 👍🏽
Thank you for your thorough video! I learned a lot. I still can't seem to find the 'perfect' isopod for my situation. Maybe I'm overthinking it? -Main inhabitants of the vivarium are a few Giant African Land Snails, so maybe no protein hungry isopods? -There are life plants, ideally they stay intact but can do a concession here. -Always damp substrate + humid air 70-90%, probably no dry places. -Temperature constant at 23-27 celcius (73 to 80F) -Medium to low ventilation. -Ideally not breeding too fast, because there are no predators in the enclosure. -Available in Europe (which I can figure out myself ofc) Help! Do you have an isopod in mind who would thrive with me?
Thank you for the support! Cylisticus convexus might be a good option, they leave most plants alone (although they may nibble some soft ones) and are a little slower to breed than some others. They are fine with a damp, humid substrate.
@@Aquarimaxthank you very much! I have a seller of these nearby, I'm looking into it. And you're welcome, it's the least I could do after absorbing al your knowledge
Thanks for sharing! I’m preparing to upgrade my enclosures. This video answered a lot of my “basic” questions, and now I feel better prepared to include the best option per environment.
I keep cornu aspersum snails with porcellio laevis. What I noticed: the isopods seem hinder baby snails from thriving. The adults are fine though. I needed to give my snails an elevated food source, too because the isopods eat the food too fast. 😅
@Aquarimax Pets I actually have an empty terrarium, waiting for the right baby garter snake to come along, that already has dwarf whites and giant canyons, so I'm excited that I shouldn't need to buy anything new. I should be able to split the plants already growing there, and get a new tank set up, and just let it establish until I find a frog I want - likely in the spring. :)
So when I bought my Pac-Man frog, I had every intentions of bio set up for him. So they set me up with springtails, and powder blues, and orange, and there also was few dwarf whites. Everyone is thriving so far. I However there are a few dry spots for them. Some of the bark wood hides I have, stay dry at top, and they are covered with moss. Maybe this is why mine are thriving better.
With mourning geckos I have found dwarf whites to be a good isopod to use. With cresties, either Porcellionides pruinosus, Porcellio dilatatus, or Porcellio laevis.
Both great videos - I have an unused 48x24x24 old beard enclosure that’s been used for storage and such for the last decade and going to turn it into either a bioactive dart frog (P. terribilis) or an arid leopard gecko enclosure and doing my research now. I keep vacillating between the two as I love the idea of both. Any recommendations for isopods that can do in either so I can get and culture now before I start building???
I got 2 male garter snakes together. 2 millipedes and 4 Types of Isopods in a bioactive enclosure I think it's called? Either way, they're thriving and when I was changing the soil so many Isopods were in it
Hey Russ, would any of the Cubaris or Armadilidum species do well in a dart frog (T.azures) and mourning gecko terrarium? I’m trying to find what species are safe to use with dart frogs that will also do well in their environment besides the dwarf whites and purples that are large enough and active enough to see from time to time while avoiding the protein hungry species such as scaber, laevis and dilatatus, ideally out of the species I already culture externally. I have several cubaris species I’ve been culturing externally as well as a few Armadilidum with the 2 I’m considering the most being officianalis or peraca would either of these or any of the cubaris species such as panda kings or murina ? I’ve been having trouble finding any answers to this question concerning such species, so your input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!
Great question! Cubaris and Armadillidium tend to nibble live plants, so they is a strike against them. Porcellio scaber was one of the first to be used with dart frogs, and has a long history of being successful with them, despite a reputation for being protein hungry.
This video is so helpful Rus, thank you! First, I apologise if you've already addressed this in another video - please can you direct me to the right one or let me know, I'm slowly working through all of your videos now that I've discovered this channel! My question was: I am thinking of purchasing some P. scaber for my ball python enclosure, though have heard some people are worried that they might 'snack' on the snake 😳 Are BPs considered a soft-bodied reptile in this regard? Also, should I worry that this species of isopod will become out of control with nothing to nibble them / control their numbers? Thank you so much!
Though P. scaber has been used for decades with the soft-bodies dart frogs with good results, some people are concerned about P. scaber. Just to be safe, you might want to try Porcellionides pruinosus or Cylisticus convexus.
hello! i hope youll see this. is there a benefit to having more than one type of isopod in a bioactive enclosure? i see some people put lots of different species in their builds. thanks for your knowledgeable videos!
Just recently came across your channel for some suggestions on isopods for humid enclosures, but I'm looking for species that are invertebrate friendly. Are there any such species of Isopods? I'm looking to put them in an Asian Forest Scorpion enclosure (very small in size at the moment), but I don't want any harmful species that could possibly attack and feed on my scorpling.
@@christophervalery6795 with molting invertebrates, there can be more risk. I have kept dwarf purples with an Asian Forest Scorpion successfully, but mileage may vary.
Thank you so much! Would you count land snails as "sensitive invertebrates"? I know that giant African land snail keepers use "orange woodlice" (unsure of sp.) successfully, but I'm keeping Cepea nemoralis. Considerably smaller. Seems like T. tomentosa would be the safest choice?
hello Rus, thank you so much for the extensive explanation! for a plant only (mostly moss) nano terrarium what isopod would you suggest? i'm interested in medium-large isopods like the p. dairy cow or armadillidium, but i'm afraid if they eat my moss and plants. i plan to have a separate breed-only enclosure and introduce a few of them to my plant terrariums.
As you have guessed, many Armadillidium would likely eat your mosses…and dairy cows will eat almost anything. How much ventilation in the nano terrarium?
@@Aquarimax it's a tall 12x12x20 cm glass tank type with a glass lid, i put a little 2 mm gap between the lid and tank. but i will definitely make a new terrarium to house a specific isopod if there are any that have no interest in chewing mosses/live plants :)
I’m the guy who just got the shipment today of the mourning geckos and various isopods from you. Thank you, all look great! So in the mourning gecko enclosure I put dwarf whites and powder blues. After watching this I realized now that the powder blues probably aren’t the right choice. They have exploded in my backup culture and there are tons of small babies. So, I’m guessing the giant canyon I got from you are the better choice? When they start breeding and I’ve got extras, will it be a bad idea to put them in with the other isopods and the geckos? Will they munch on the geckos at all? Or bite at the eggs when they start laying? Or will they eat the dwarf whites?
Thank am guessing whatever other you put in there, they will eventually be outcompeted by the dwarf whites. Mourning geckos might well prey on the powder blues as well. How much ventilation do you offer the mourning geckos? In general, the conditions preferred by mourning geckos should suit P. pruinosus…it is just matter of whether he mourning geckos will eat too Many of them or not.
This is some great information, thank you! I have a question if you happen to see this. When I was about 6 I had pet frogs and I put some isopods from my backyard in their enclosure with the intention of my frogs eating them and I came back a couple hours later to find one of them dead... we think one of the isopods was too big and it choked (lowkey traumatized from that experience, but my mom gave me permission and I didn't know better 😭) is that something I actually need to be concerned about or is this an irrational fear? I'm planning on introducing the isopods before I get the frogs so they and my plants can acclimate for a while before introducing the fire bellied toads so hopefully that'll give them a chance to have lots of places to hide?
It is not impossible for a frog to choke on an isopod of the wrong size, but it could also have been something toxic the isopod had been exposed to, such as a pesticide. Isopods can also store heavy metals. Two reasons to use captive bred isopods. Introducing isopods early and allowing them to establish in the enclosure for a while before the frogs is a good practice. 👍🏼
It depends on many factors, but it is my personal preference not to keep them with millipedes. I have seen it end badly. I know someone who has great success with it as long as both have plenty of food. I have not experimented much with keeping isopods with snails…so I can’t comment on that much.
Hi Rus, I know this video is a little old so I'm unsure if I'll get a reply but it's worth a shot! I've had a tailles whip scorpion for a couple of months and have introduced some springtails to help clean up the mould that is beginning to grow in his enclosure, but so far they arent doing the best job! The place where I got my whip suggested that i also add some tropical grey woodlice, so I've bought a little tub of them but I'm a bit anxious about introducing them. How many should I start with? Could they pose any threat to my tailles whip? He is still relatively young so hes not fully grown yet and I'm anxious about the woodlice staging some sort of coup and taking him down! Am I worrying over nothing? Is there a different isopod I should use instead? Thank you/ anyone who may be able to help😅
Orin McMonigle keeps isopods with his whips without difficulty. Finding a suitable species can be important, though. Common names vary a lot, do you know the scientific name for tropical greys?
Well, let me put it this way…I know of about six species that can be shipped there legally after a long process, which I am currently in the middle of.
@@Aquarimax alright thanks I just wanted to make sure so they can have the best life possible. Also what foods are best for them? Like fruit and veggies? I've been giving them potatoes, carrots and lettuce.
@@Aquarimax they will consume a few here and there I’m sure. I also have a colony separate from them. I was worried that the environment wouldn’t be suitable for them. Sometimes I notice the population to be lower but there are always pockets of babies spread around.
I seem to be the only person that had a culture of dwarf white’s fail. 😅 I dumped 25 of them directly into my animal-less vivarium with springtails and I only see the springtails now, no matter what food I set out. This time I will culture them in a separate container for a while first. Oh well…
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Philoscia muscorum 'Red Edge' (my finding/creation) is a fairly small and fast isopod thriving in humid enclosures. Most individuals are shy, especially when kept with predators, but a few individuals are much more fearless and serve as colorful decorations too.
I literally wondered about this earlier today
Right!? His new vids have been so spot on!! What a great time to start getting into this guy's videos 😛
Yeah same here guys. I was wondering yesterday on what isopods do well in smaller enclosures, and he posted a video within minutes of me thinking of that, and then now today I was thinking about more humid enclosures, and bam, this video! Haha
It would be great to see the spectrum….High humidity, medium humidity, and normal (low) humidity.. I struggle with this with my daughter’s and I cultures.
2/3 of the way there! 😊👍
You rock Rus! I was just thinking about this the other day. I've got a tropical, high-humidity, plant-only terrarium I want to add some isopods to. But I wanted something larger than the dwarf whites and purples I usually use. I was considering adding some of my Cubaris blue pigeons, but I'm not sure if there's enough ventilation for them. Although I don't have Porcellio dilatatus yet, so maybe this would be a good excuse to pick some up.
If it is plant only, blue pigeons might be a good option. Most of the Cubaris require little ventilation. I didn’t include them here party because they would be expensive snacks if macrofauna decided to eat them. In your setup you wouldn’t have that issue 👍🏽
Gah, I wasn’t first.
Nice footage of them all! A really helpful guide for new and old isopod keepers!
Thank you!
Excellent video rus
😃👍
A new isopod video! Definitely a great way to kick off the weekend :)
Glad to hear it!
Thank you for your thorough video! I learned a lot. I still can't seem to find the 'perfect' isopod for my situation. Maybe I'm overthinking it?
-Main inhabitants of the vivarium are a few Giant African Land Snails, so maybe no protein hungry isopods?
-There are life plants, ideally they stay intact but can do a concession here.
-Always damp substrate + humid air 70-90%, probably no dry places.
-Temperature constant at 23-27 celcius (73 to 80F)
-Medium to low ventilation.
-Ideally not breeding too fast, because there are no predators in the enclosure.
-Available in Europe (which I can figure out myself ofc)
Help! Do you have an isopod in mind who would thrive with me?
Thank you for the support! Cylisticus convexus might be a good option, they leave most plants alone (although they may nibble some soft ones) and are a little slower to breed than some others. They are fine with a damp, humid substrate.
@@Aquarimaxthank you very much! I have a seller of these nearby, I'm looking into it. And you're welcome, it's the least I could do after absorbing al your knowledge
@@mmarirowana If you can get the Ukraine Pied variety, they are quite unique and beautiful. The wild types are just gray, but they’d do the job too 😁👍
@@Aquarimaxdo you think rubber ducky isopods would work alongside GALS?
They might! I don’t see why not
Thanks for sharing! I’m preparing to upgrade my enclosures. This video answered a lot of my “basic” questions, and now I feel better prepared to include the best option per environment.
great information Rus, thank you! :-)
Thank you Sean!
I keep cornu aspersum snails with porcellio laevis. What I noticed: the isopods seem hinder baby snails from thriving. The adults are fine though. I needed to give my snails an elevated food source, too because the isopods eat the food too fast. 😅
@@Nemokiddy that makes sense…the younger snails may be outcompeted by the isopods.
Awesome video!
I find curly isopods most often in my yard on cool fall mornings.
That makes sense! I found them once in my yard…my colony in descended from them…but I haven’t seen any outdoors since!
Awesome video rus
Thank you Crystal!
Love the bonus footage 😂
LOL :)
Great video! I came here specifically to find out which CUC candidates would work best for my future pacman frog enclosure. Thank you!
For a Pac-Man frog, try to keep them small and burrowing, as Pac-Man frogs will eat just about any isopod they see 😂
@Aquarimax Pets I actually have an empty terrarium, waiting for the right baby garter snake to come along, that already has dwarf whites and giant canyons, so I'm excited that I shouldn't need to buy anything new. I should be able to split the plants already growing there, and get a new tank set up, and just let it establish until I find a frog I want - likely in the spring. :)
@@Aquarimax have you ever posted a video showing how your daughter's frog enclosure is set up?
@@rachelleworkman3377 it was recently featured! Just a week or two ago . A simple enclosure so far, but it works!
Great info as always Rus!
Thank you!
Very helpful video!
I have AV and PS in humid enclosures, no problem.
@@marthanewsome6375 they can do quite well, A. vulgare seems to thrive as long as there is moderate ventilation
So when I bought my Pac-Man frog, I had every intentions of bio set up for him. So they set me up with springtails, and powder blues, and orange, and there also was few dwarf whites. Everyone is thriving so far. I However there are a few dry spots for them. Some of the bark wood hides I have, stay dry at top, and they are covered with moss. Maybe this is why mine are thriving better.
That makes sense.
Awesome info as usual, thank you!
😊👍
Can you recommend one that's safe to use with crested geckos and morning geckos?
With mourning geckos I have found dwarf whites to be a good isopod to use. With cresties, either Porcellionides pruinosus, Porcellio dilatatus, or Porcellio laevis.
@@Aquarimax Thank you so much
Both great videos - I have an unused 48x24x24 old beard enclosure that’s been used for storage and such for the last decade and going to turn it into either a bioactive dart frog (P. terribilis) or an arid leopard gecko enclosure and doing my research now. I keep vacillating between the two as I love the idea of both.
Any recommendations for isopods that can do in either so I can get and culture now before I start building???
I got 2 male garter snakes together. 2 millipedes and 4 Types of Isopods in a bioactive enclosure I think it's called?
Either way, they're thriving and when I was changing the soil so many Isopods were in it
Hey Russ, would any of the Cubaris or Armadilidum species do well in a dart frog (T.azures) and mourning gecko terrarium? I’m trying to find what species are safe to use with dart frogs that will also do well in their environment besides the dwarf whites and purples that are large enough and active enough to see from time to time while avoiding the protein hungry species such as scaber, laevis and dilatatus, ideally out of the species I already culture externally. I have several cubaris species I’ve been culturing externally as well as a few Armadilidum with the 2 I’m considering the most being officianalis or peraca would either of these or any of the cubaris species such as panda kings or murina ? I’ve been having trouble finding any answers to this question concerning such species, so your input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!
Great question!
Cubaris and Armadillidium tend to nibble live plants, so they is a strike against them. Porcellio scaber was one of the first to be used with dart frogs, and has a long history of being successful with them, despite a reputation for being protein hungry.
Can I use them for a bioactive roach(Dubia) enclosure?
This video is so helpful Rus, thank you! First, I apologise if you've already addressed this in another video - please can you direct me to the right one or let me know, I'm slowly working through all of your videos now that I've discovered this channel!
My question was: I am thinking of purchasing some P. scaber for my ball python enclosure, though have heard some people are worried that they might 'snack' on the snake 😳 Are BPs considered a soft-bodied reptile in this regard? Also, should I worry that this species of isopod will become out of control with nothing to nibble them / control their numbers? Thank you so much!
Though P. scaber has been used for decades with the soft-bodies dart frogs with good results, some people are concerned about P. scaber. Just to be safe, you might want to try Porcellionides pruinosus or Cylisticus convexus.
@@Aquarimax thank you ever so much for your response! I will look into these!
I have care guide videos on both 👍🏽
hello! i hope youll see this. is there a benefit to having more than one type of isopod in a bioactive enclosure? i see some people put lots of different species in their builds. thanks for your knowledgeable videos!
I am glad I saw this! I made a video on this topic: ruclips.net/video/fkv3KeNGtKw/видео.html
@@Aquarimax thank you! love your videos
Just recently came across your channel for some suggestions on isopods for humid enclosures, but I'm looking for species that are invertebrate friendly. Are there any such species of Isopods? I'm looking to put them in an Asian Forest Scorpion enclosure (very small in size at the moment), but I don't want any harmful species that could possibly attack and feed on my scorpling.
@@christophervalery6795 with molting invertebrates, there can be more risk. I have kept dwarf purples with an Asian Forest Scorpion successfully, but mileage may vary.
@@Aquarimax thank you, I'll take that into consideration. I appreciate the suggestion of the dwarf purple, and I'm gonna do some research on it 🙂.
Thank you so much! Would you count land snails as "sensitive invertebrates"? I know that giant African land snail keepers use "orange woodlice" (unsure of sp.) successfully, but I'm keeping Cepea nemoralis. Considerably smaller. Seems like T. tomentosa would be the safest choice?
I haven’t worked with that snail. Is it oviparous or ovoviviparous? If it is the former, dwarf whites might eat the eggs.
@@Aquarimax oviparous, but egg control would be welcome. Maybe I'll give it a shot. Thank you!
hello Rus, thank you so much for the extensive explanation! for a plant only (mostly moss) nano terrarium what isopod would you suggest? i'm interested in medium-large isopods like the p. dairy cow or armadillidium, but i'm afraid if they eat my moss and plants. i plan to have a separate breed-only enclosure and introduce a few of them to my plant terrariums.
As you have guessed, many Armadillidium would likely eat your mosses…and dairy cows will eat almost anything. How much ventilation in the
nano terrarium?
@@Aquarimax it's a tall 12x12x20 cm glass tank type with a glass lid, i put a little 2 mm gap between the lid and tank. but i will definitely make a new terrarium to house a specific isopod if there are any that have no interest in chewing mosses/live plants :)
I second this question. I have tubs strictly for cultivation of moss and I was also wondering which variety of isopod would be most suitable
Can you use p scabers in a crested gecko tank? Will they hurt it? TY
Under normal conditions, P. scaber is unlikely to hurt a healthy crestie. The cresties might munch on the isopods though!
@@Aquarimax lol cool ty!
I’m the guy who just got the shipment today of the mourning geckos and various isopods from you. Thank you, all look great! So in the mourning gecko enclosure I put dwarf whites and powder blues. After watching this I realized now that the powder blues probably aren’t the right choice. They have exploded in my backup culture and there are tons of small babies. So, I’m guessing the giant canyon I got from you are the better choice? When they start breeding and I’ve got extras, will it be a bad idea to put them in with the other isopods and the geckos? Will they munch on the geckos at all? Or bite at the eggs when they start laying? Or will they eat the dwarf whites?
Thank am guessing whatever other you put in there, they will eventually be outcompeted by the dwarf whites. Mourning geckos might well prey on the powder blues as well. How much ventilation do you offer the mourning geckos? In general, the conditions preferred by mourning geckos should suit P. pruinosus…it is just matter of whether he mourning geckos will eat too
Many of them or not.
This is some great information, thank you! I have a question if you happen to see this. When I was about 6 I had pet frogs and I put some isopods from my backyard in their enclosure with the intention of my frogs eating them and I came back a couple hours later to find one of them dead... we think one of the isopods was too big and it choked (lowkey traumatized from that experience, but my mom gave me permission and I didn't know better 😭) is that something I actually need to be concerned about or is this an irrational fear? I'm planning on introducing the isopods before I get the frogs so they and my plants can acclimate for a while before introducing the fire bellied toads so hopefully that'll give them a chance to have lots of places to hide?
It is not impossible for a frog to choke on an isopod of the wrong size, but it could also have been something toxic the isopod had been exposed to, such as a pesticide. Isopods can also store heavy metals. Two reasons to use captive bred isopods.
Introducing isopods early and allowing them to establish in the enclosure for a while before the frogs is a good practice. 👍🏼
@@Aquarimax Thank you for the quick reply, I really appreciate it!!
I want a excuse to get isopods so do you know any science fair experiments that can use isopods?
You could do something about natural compost and decomposition. Isopods are a vital part of the decomposition process of the places they live in.
My daughter just did a good preference experiment with isopods! A great science fair option too!
Thanks!
What about keeping isopods in with millipedes or snails? Do you consider those to be "sensitive invertebrates?"
It depends on many factors, but it is my personal preference not to keep them with millipedes. I have seen it end badly. I know someone who has great success with it as long as both have plenty of food. I have not experimented much with keeping isopods with snails…so I can’t comment on that much.
@@Aquarimax That makes sense, and I figured it would be best to keep them separate. Thanks for your response.
Hi Rus, I know this video is a little old so I'm unsure if I'll get a reply but it's worth a shot! I've had a tailles whip scorpion for a couple of months and have introduced some springtails to help clean up the mould that is beginning to grow in his enclosure, but so far they arent doing the best job! The place where I got my whip suggested that i also add some tropical grey woodlice, so I've bought a little tub of them but I'm a bit anxious about introducing them. How many should I start with? Could they pose any threat to my tailles whip? He is still relatively young so hes not fully grown yet and I'm anxious about the woodlice staging some sort of coup and taking him down! Am I worrying over nothing? Is there a different isopod I should use instead? Thank you/ anyone who may be able to help😅
Orin McMonigle keeps isopods with his whips without difficulty. Finding a suitable species can be important, though. Common names vary a lot, do you know the scientific name for tropical greys?
I need some isopods to go in with my praying mantis. the mantis is a Rhombodera megara. Any suggestions?
Which isopods are legally restricted in Florida?
Well, let me put it this way…I know of about six species that can be shipped there legally after a long process, which I am currently in the middle of.
@@Aquarimax wow
@@Aquarimax I just moved to Florida. Where can I find a copy of these regulations online?
What kind of humidity do dalmatian isopds like? I have some as pets. Currently found some babys so I know they are breeding
They are fairly adaptable in terms of humidity as long as they have a moist area. 👍
@@Aquarimax alright thanks I just wanted to make sure so they can have the best life possible. Also what foods are best for them? Like fruit and veggies? I've been giving them potatoes, carrots and lettuce.
What do you think about power orange
They are the same species as powder blues…so not my first choice for humid enclosures, but they can work.
Would porcellio laevis dairy cow work?
Depending on the microfauna, they could. I have used them with success.
I use dairy cows in my whites tree frogs enclosure, is this not ideal?
It may work well…how do they seem to interact? Do the frogs eat some of the dairy cows?
@@Aquarimax they will consume a few here and there I’m sure. I also have a colony separate from them. I was worried that the environment wouldn’t be suitable for them. Sometimes I notice the population to be lower but there are always pockets of babies spread around.
@@jacobknorr4011 sounds like a decent match!
@@Aquarimax thank you kind sir! I really appreciate the reassurance.
Thanks Rus. C Ya. Ricky 💃🕺🏼💃💃🎶🎶🐈⬛🎸🐊💥
Thank YOU!
I seem to be the only person that had a culture of dwarf white’s fail. 😅 I dumped 25 of them directly into my animal-less vivarium with springtails and I only see the springtails now, no matter what food I set out. This time I will culture them in a separate container for a while first. Oh well…
You might find that there are some in there, they can be pretty unobtrusive…but a separate culture is always a great idea.
@@Aquarimax Literally the day after I saw your reply I was cleaning underneath the water feature in there and boom, I found one. 😂 You must be lucky!
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😊👍
:)
Frank! ;-)
@@mountainhobbit1971 Sean ;)
@@frankdughtank8327 LOL!