Great review and the written one as well. I really like how well engineered and modular these small boxes are, while being powerful if you need it. A bit anecdotal but the second m2 slot is ideally placed to connect an m2 based eGPU to it, leaving the chassis open
I really wish a company would offer native 1/2.5/5/10gbit Ethernet ports. I have a Dell 7060 with a 8700T/64GB as my primary host, only thing it's missing is 10gig networking.
P320 came with Quadro P600, P330 comes with P620, check PSREF, all part numbers. Also I converted two m720q to 'p330' (lid, bracket and riser) from encompass parts. No dual m.2 is really only difference. (Also motherboard heatsink and Copper 65w CPU heatsink are options)
These are around $200 without the dGPU and $350 with Quadro P620 in my country Bangladesh. It is a really value for money 1L PC here! Edit: These are i5 8400 versions I have mentioned and they have 8GB RAM and 256GB NVMe but still bang for the buck.
Another thing you could think about would be to get a decent thunderbolt 3 card, then attach a proper gaming card via t3 enclosure to make it a relatively compact gaming, rendering, or AI/ML system.
Too bad outside the US the market is small for these devices, especially with dGPU. Anyway, they are perfect for a low power/space beginner homelab! Would love to see more video content about homelab uses/software to run
I've been enjoying the Project TinyMiniMicro content. In a future video, could you please show some use cases or workflows with a machine this size? I would be interested to see how its applied in different settings.
I have a Lenovo M73 Tiny (no GPU). It is excellent. Has worked flawlessly since May 2015. Still fast enough for internet, youtube, word processing, etc. Finally replaced it (but still have it) with a Quadro-equipped Dell because I wanted to do some 3D modeling. Really love how robust and reliable the Lenovo has been.
For anyone in Australia interested in picking one of these up second hand, they average $1299 on eBay. Edit: Brand new, they start at $1800 direct from Lenovo.
Wow, maybe I'll grab a 9700T, 32GB, P1000 to replace the desktop I currently have with a Quadro K1200 in it... Would definitely cut the footprint down. Looking forward to the BTS video of the studio!
Have I bugged you? Kinda lose track of people I comment on... anyway when you opened the case on the Lenovo, did you see a small button or switch? - it would be just about hidden with the cover/case on. It would or might be on the front lower corner. Or, how can a system reset (like onekey) or windows recovery on that model? Have a similar but a little older than yours. ok here we go: at 5:55 if you look at the top right corner of the open unit, there is a small stubby button. This would be covered by the case. What is that button for? Thank you
What about the PCIe lanes? Did anyone try to install a ssd on the m.2 wifi slot? Simultaneously with a 4x1Gb nic pcie card and 2 m.2 nvme? Will it be able to boot from the ssd installed on the m.2 wifi slot? I'm thinking an all in one home server. I mean Proxmox with pfsence and truenas. Is it possible? Is it a good idea or not?
I love these tiny ThinkStations.. but I'm wondering, what's the significant difference between the P330 tiny, the M920q Tiny and M720q Tiny, even when choosing the exact same CPU Model type? (except that P330 is already marked as discontinued)
This is the additional storage I installed alongside to supplied 500Gb Sabrent Rocket Q 2TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 Internal SSD High Performance Solid State Drive R/W 3200/2900MB/s
love this mini pc series. do you planned on reviewing acer veriton n-series in future? i'm interested in modular design they offered and makes them unique than the rest of 1-1.5L mini pc, but sadly there is not much great in-depth review of their products on youtube.
Probably not since we already have the video on the single NIC setup. With the 4-port NIC it is the same pfSense setup as you would normally do with an i350-t4 NIC.
We use P330 Tiny and now P340 Tiny PCs for general office use. Does it make any sense to pull the NVIDIA GPU and just use the built in Intel graphics? As an example, I'm a programmer using general dev tools. Do I gain anything from a higher end GPU? Does it make the PC faster in any way? I'm thinking that removing the NVIDIA would reduce the power usage and make the PC just a little bit quieter.
My first thought after seeing the p620 in there was trying to figure out how to fit a T4 into that slot. I think I need to spend less time reading about server gpus
should check out the Acer Veriton N4640G mini PC.. you can add a Nvidia Quadro P620/P1000 to that unit.. for less than $300.. pretty cool little tiny PC..
A good idea for a video would be have a look at the vpro tooling for smaller/ad-hoc use. Like how to run this theft discovery system and how to provision remote management.
Excuse my ignorance but I didn't hear anything about any options regarding alternative graphics cards, is that because of lower power requirements and nothing exists that will work with the MiniPC?
I have a newer version of this P330 with the long copper heat pipe and Intel Core i7 9700T @ 2.00GHz AND NVIDIA Quadro P1000 AND 32Gb Memory AND a 2Gb SSD in the spare slot. The worst thing about this computer is the fan noise. There is a BIOS setting for quiet mode but makes no difference. The fan cuts in and out whilst just browsing the internet. The fan issue was the same before I upgraded the spec - buyer beware - it will annoy the hell out of you................I have it now in a unit fitted with push pull fans and it makes no difference at all. Seems to be a CPU heat issue - I am not alone with this complaint that Lenevo are aware of but can-not sort - .............................................
Martin, that is great feedback. This one is relatively quiet. I wonder if having that heat pipe puts more load on the single fan which makes it spin more. That is part of the challenge with these. They tend to see mid-cycle updates.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Reckon you are right. I have resorted to this: A 120mm USB fan placed over the chassis fan air intake and held by magnets. In the hope that air will be pushed through the internal fan and cool the CPU before it gets hot enough for the internal fan to kick in. (This USB fan has a speed control switch inline with the USB plug). Only did this an hour ago - so the jury is out on a pretty poor remedy. If this fails - I will move and hide the computer away from desktop - far enough away so has to not hear that dreaded fan whine going on and off.
Seems to have worked. When watching a you-tube video the temp of the CPU cores average 58 Deg Celsius. Without the USB fan - average is 72 Deg Celsius. Whilst the USB fan is placed over the case fan intake - it seems to be reducing the overall internal case temp. The USB fan noise is almost non existent at medium setting. The internal fan has yet to trigger. I don't push this PC as I mainly use it for Internet and perhaps copying and converting the odd DVD Blue-ray.
I have a few of these Tiny Lenovo's on hand that I've recycled from work, unfortunately what I really want is the ability to plug in a NIC adapter and use one of these form factors as a router. While this unit allows for this, looking at ebay prices it certainly isn't worth it. These Tiny PC's are really interesting as home projects when a used one crosses your desk, but I couldn't ever see buying these things new for any lab purposes.
HP in current gen has the 1660 Ti (notebook/ low power version) and Dell can, in some models, put a Radeon 640. We did not have it, but talk about the GPUs and expansion a bit in the Dell OptiPlex 7090 Micro video that will be going live in 20 minutes.
Do you think we could put a 1050Ti in there? I've had my hands on a tiny MSI card (link below) which costs less than half the quadro P1000 and should be more powerful. It does not need power connectors, it runs on the PCIe link. www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-lp.html
I have to say the amount of those little system gets pretty iritating. I want to buy one as a pc for my mum and i heave no idea what to buy xD cause there are so many
If I were buying one for my mum I would look for something like the M920q with a Core i5-8500T and vPro (for remote troubleshooting when she asks for help.) I am not sure if that is helpful at all.
I like the reviews of these small computers. BUT - my only gripe is that I would like one that has room for one card. I want to use a pc like this as a router, but want to add in a 4 port Ethernet card. Any suggestions? And no, USB etc is not an option. It has to be really fast.
Mentioned a bit in the video/ main site article, but there are configuration options for this, the M920x, M920q and a few others for quad port Intel i350-t4 NICs instead of GPUs.
Hello OP as hell router setup. Too bad they didn't come with dual NIC configs. I may have to go digging. This can fix some issues I have with my current and aging wifi setup.
I've owned half a dozen Lenovo Tiny's so, I am not just talking gamer boy hate or something. I've sold or given as gifts to grandma the Tiny's and still keep the Alpha as the TV computer.
Your content is great, but it would be better as a podcast. I have never understood why tech youtubers need to have their face on the screen so much. Cheers!
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I would love to see more behind the scenes stuff including the new RUclips studio setup. Love all your content!!
Will do!!
Definitely want to see this! Especially your hardware setup...
Having the active cooling on the GPU plus that many display outs is a super nice combo. Fun stuff.
Love your tiny mini micro series. Bought 2 different units so far because they are damm small but easily servicable. Thanks for that inspiration!
Bringing back the series with today's video! Have another filmed for a 1L PC too.
Great review and the written one as well. I really like how well engineered and modular these small boxes are, while being powerful if you need it. A bit anecdotal but the second m2 slot is ideally placed to connect an m2 based eGPU to it, leaving the chassis open
I really wish a company would offer native 1/2.5/5/10gbit Ethernet ports. I have a Dell 7060 with a 8700T/64GB as my primary host, only thing it's missing is 10gig networking.
That's an older revision of the P330 Tiny. The newer ones have a heat pipe connecting the Quadro P600 to the main heat sync.
P320 came with Quadro P600, P330 comes with P620, check PSREF, all part numbers. Also I converted two m720q to 'p330' (lid, bracket and riser) from encompass parts. No dual m.2 is really only difference. (Also motherboard heatsink and Copper 65w CPU heatsink are options)
I did hear a report that the P1000 card did go back to a heatpipe design.
I'm waiting for a P35 tiny, AMD Ryzen 7 pro 47/5750GE, with Radeon Pro 6600W(6600xt with lower TDP and HBM2 instead of GDDR6)
What would be the benefits of getting one of these with a ryzen 7 pro 4750ge compared to a regular desk top with a ryzen 7 4700g?
These are around $200 without the dGPU and $350 with Quadro P620 in my country Bangladesh. It is a really value for money 1L PC here!
Edit: These are i5 8400 versions I have mentioned and they have 8GB RAM and 256GB NVMe but still bang for the buck.
Prices on eBay have already increased.
Yup
Another thing you could think about would be to get a decent thunderbolt 3 card, then attach a proper gaming card via t3 enclosure to make it a relatively compact gaming, rendering, or AI/ML system.
Too bad outside the US the market is small for these devices, especially with dGPU. Anyway, they are perfect for a low power/space beginner homelab! Would love to see more video content about homelab uses/software to run
Another fantastic review. Truly appreciate your channel, cheers from Nova Scotia.
Thanks Ken. Have a great weekend
I am running a RX6400 in it since last august 2022 😍
What PCIe gen ist I am thinking of getting one when i receive mine
I've been enjoying the Project TinyMiniMicro content. In a future video, could you please show some use cases or workflows with a machine this size? I would be interested to see how its applied in different settings.
I have a Lenovo M73 Tiny (no GPU). It is excellent. Has worked flawlessly since May 2015. Still fast enough for internet, youtube, word processing, etc. Finally replaced it (but still have it) with a Quadro-equipped Dell because I wanted to do some 3D modeling. Really love how robust and reliable the Lenovo has been.
Wow! looking at the tech specs and this is really something. Very powerful for it's size. I wish I had one.
Yea! Some of these are cool because they are cheap. This one is a bit more but you can pack a lot in here.
For anyone in Australia interested in picking one of these up second hand, they average $1299 on eBay.
Edit: Brand new, they start at $1800 direct from Lenovo.
Wow, maybe I'll grab a 9700T, 32GB, P1000 to replace the desktop I currently have with a Quadro K1200 in it... Would definitely cut the footprint down. Looking forward to the BTS video of the studio!
Have I bugged you? Kinda lose track of people I comment on... anyway when you opened the case on the Lenovo, did you see a small button or switch? - it would be just about hidden with the cover/case on. It would or might be on the front lower corner. Or, how can a system reset (like onekey) or windows recovery on that model? Have a similar but a little older than yours. ok here we go: at 5:55 if you look at the top right corner of the open unit, there is a small stubby button. This would be covered by the case. What is that button for? Thank you
Can we convert m920q with a PCIE riser card with lowprofile GPUs?
Hello Patrick, I have a simple question about this PC, does the built-in pcie slot support bifurcation? Thank you in advance.
What about the PCIe lanes?
Did anyone try to install a ssd on the m.2 wifi slot? Simultaneously with a 4x1Gb nic pcie card and 2 m.2 nvme?
Will it be able to boot from the ssd installed on the m.2 wifi slot?
I'm thinking an all in one home server. I mean Proxmox with pfsence and truenas. Is it possible?
Is it a good idea or not?
I love these tiny ThinkStations.. but I'm wondering, what's the significant difference between the P330 tiny, the M920q Tiny and M720q Tiny, even when choosing the exact same CPU Model type? (except that P330 is already marked as discontinued)
Would have been nice to hear some airflow/temperature info. Are these stackable?
This is the additional storage I installed alongside to supplied 500Gb
Sabrent Rocket Q 2TB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 Internal SSD High Performance Solid State Drive R/W 3200/2900MB/s
december 2021: these things are over 1000USD in the specs from the video
love this mini pc series. do you planned on reviewing acer veriton n-series in future? i'm interested in modular design they offered and makes them unique than the rest of 1-1.5L mini pc, but sadly there is not much great in-depth review of their products on youtube.
We may. We still have a bit of a backlog
Will there be a separate video documenting a PFSense setup with 4 port pcie nic installed?
Probably not since we already have the video on the single NIC setup. With the 4-port NIC it is the same pfSense setup as you would normally do with an i350-t4 NIC.
The pcie slot is only x8 and needs a proprietary adaptor to connector to normal pcie x8 or x16 card. That adaptor isnt cheap around 50usd
We use P330 Tiny and now P340 Tiny PCs for general office use. Does it make any sense to pull the NVIDIA GPU and just use the built in Intel graphics? As an example, I'm a programmer using general dev tools. Do I gain anything from a higher end GPU? Does it make the PC faster in any way? I'm thinking that removing the NVIDIA would reduce the power usage and make the PC just a little bit quieter.
For general desktop, you are probably fine with the integrated graphics, but you will want to ensure you do not mess up airflow of what is left.
My first thought after seeing the p620 in there was trying to figure out how to fit a T4 into that slot. I think I need to spend less time reading about server gpus
I had a similar thought. The challenge with the T4 is the power and cooling. I do want to see a nice and more modern 40W TDP GPU in here though.
Good pc this p330 tiny. Where can I get the pci riser and the bracket that goes around the quadro p620 output ports?? Good review, thanks.
I think people in the STH forums have the P/Ns but I do not know it. I do know the risers are sometimes hard to get with long lead times
should check out the Acer Veriton N4640G mini PC.. you can add a Nvidia Quadro P620/P1000 to that unit.. for less than $300.. pretty cool little tiny PC..
A good idea for a video would be have a look at the vpro tooling for smaller/ad-hoc use. Like how to run this theft discovery system and how to provision remote management.
Hello, Do you know if Lenovo will be coming out with an RX 6400 video card that will fit in these units? Very curious about this unit.
I just got myself a Asus PN50 with 4800u cpu for portable workstation. It's really fun and would be cool to see tested (even if it's not used/cheap).
Excuse my ignorance but I didn't hear anything about any options regarding alternative graphics cards, is that because of lower power requirements and nothing exists that will work with the MiniPC?
The only two supported cards in this are the Quadro P620 and P1000. The space is very tight. We showed an AMD option the M920x video/ article.
Love the content, quite distracted with the background since I kinda feel like I'm familiar with it
Could put a Tesla T4 in this for edge inference workloads
I have a newer version of this P330 with the long copper heat pipe and Intel Core i7 9700T @ 2.00GHz AND NVIDIA Quadro P1000 AND 32Gb Memory AND a 2Gb SSD in the spare slot.
The worst thing about this computer is the fan noise. There is a BIOS setting for quiet mode but makes no difference. The fan cuts in and out whilst just browsing the internet. The fan issue was the same before I upgraded the spec - buyer beware - it will annoy the hell out of you................I have it now in a unit fitted with push pull fans and it makes no difference at all. Seems to be a CPU heat issue - I am not alone with this complaint that Lenevo are aware of but can-not sort - .............................................
2Gb ssd? :P
Martin, that is great feedback. This one is relatively quiet. I wonder if having that heat pipe puts more load on the single fan which makes it spin more. That is part of the challenge with these. They tend to see mid-cycle updates.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Reckon you are right. I have resorted to this: A 120mm USB fan placed over the chassis fan air intake and held by magnets. In the hope that air will be pushed through the internal fan and cool the CPU before it gets hot enough for the internal fan to kick in. (This USB fan has a speed control switch inline with the USB plug). Only did this an hour ago - so the jury is out on a pretty poor remedy. If this fails - I will move and hide the computer away from desktop - far enough away so has to not hear that dreaded fan whine going on and off.
Seems to have worked. When watching a you-tube video the temp of the CPU cores average 58 Deg Celsius. Without the USB fan - average is 72 Deg Celsius. Whilst the USB fan is placed over the case fan intake - it seems to be reducing the overall internal case temp. The USB fan noise is almost non existent at medium setting. The internal fan has yet to trigger. I don't push this PC as I mainly use it for Internet and perhaps copying and converting the odd DVD Blue-ray.
Hola buenas tardes me podrías decir que voltajes o amperios es el cargador de este equipo ya que el mio esta borroso y no se lee nada gracias
Amazing system and amazing work on these youtube videos. Best reviews on the internet. I say you are best for #2020.
I have a few of these Tiny Lenovo's on hand that I've recycled from work, unfortunately what I really want is the ability to plug in a NIC adapter and use one of these form factors as a router. While this unit allows for this, looking at ebay prices it certainly isn't worth it. These Tiny PC's are really interesting as home projects when a used one crosses your desk, but I couldn't ever see buying these things new for any lab purposes.
What would be the benefits of getting one of these with a ryzen 7 pro 4750ge compared to a regular desk top with a ryzen 7 4700g?
Perfect Plex Server ?
The P330 has already been discontinued...they now have the P340 as a successor
Does only Lenovo put dedicated GPU in 1L case?
HP in current gen has the 1660 Ti (notebook/ low power version) and Dell can, in some models, put a Radeon 640. We did not have it, but talk about the GPUs and expansion a bit in the Dell OptiPlex 7090 Micro video that will be going live in 20 minutes.
Had one of this at work. The cpu is mobile class and should not expect similar to desktop performance. The i7 performs like my i3 desktop.
Did you do pfsense on these Lenovo mini PCs???
Do you think we could put a 1050Ti in there? I've had my hands on a tiny MSI card (link below) which costs less than half the quadro P1000 and should be more powerful. It does not need power connectors, it runs on the PCIe link.
www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-lp.html
Could you add the graphics card to this tiny pc?
I have to say the amount of those little system gets pretty iritating. I want to buy one as a pc for my mum and i heave no idea what to buy xD cause there are so many
If I were buying one for my mum I would look for something like the M920q with a Core i5-8500T and vPro (for remote troubleshooting when she asks for help.) I am not sure if that is helpful at all.
For t340 there are 2 options for power supply 170W and 230W. Anyone knows which one to choose when?
Wow didn't know that existed! That's awesome that is just kinda uses a low profile GPU.
would be an okay little workstation. can easily drive all 7 of my displays using displayport mst.
Good for Plex transcoding server?
Yes
I like the reviews of these small computers. BUT - my only gripe is that I would like one that has room for one card. I want to use a pc like this as a router, but want to add in a 4 port Ethernet card. Any suggestions? And no, USB etc is not an option. It has to be really fast.
Mentioned a bit in the video/ main site article, but there are configuration options for this, the M920x, M920q and a few others for quad port Intel i350-t4 NICs instead of GPUs.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo yeah, a GPU is not necessary for a router. What kind of socket is it? PCIe?
You might want to look at Qotom's offerings.
Put a 10gig nic in and point to a iscsi target and boom a nice cheap compute VMware node for a cluster!
how do you do your audio recording?
Not 100% sure what this setup used, but likely this was a Rode NTG4+ into the Canon C70 and just recording along with the video. Nothing too fancy.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Awesome thanks! I'm recording some stuff so audio quality is important.
- P340 Tiny user
Hello OP as hell router setup. Too bad they didn't come with dual NIC configs. I may have to go digging. This can fix some issues I have with my current and aging wifi setup.
thats a lot of stuff packed into that lil case
I almost cannot believe what they fit in this thing...
This or the 4650ge thinkcentre?
Is that electrically x16?
how do I setup Plex on this Unit
I have one of these at work.
where i buy this computer bro
Could you add subtitles?
YT adds these. Sometimes they take a bit longer to generate.
these are kinda expensive, over $500 on ebay?
just wanna know, can it boot macOs?
Yes, yes it can
i would def make it into a hypervisor and spin up vms ☺
So the MSPR is double and the street price is Quadro vs a Alienware Alpha and it's still slower. Where is the innovation?
I've owned half a dozen Lenovo Tiny's so, I am not just talking gamer boy hate or something. I've sold or given as gifts to grandma the Tiny's and still keep the Alpha as the TV computer.
So I guess MXM is dead then :(
AI/ML system ON KUBERNETIES is what i want to see used with these hardware as multi clusters... nodes...
drool....
The newer is p340 tiny now!!
Oh no, the Demuro effect is already in motion for these. Just saw a M75Q go from $320 to $400 :/
Ha! I appreciate that comment.
A gt 1030 will turn this into a gaming machine
I reckon deprecate is the most mispronounced word in the IT industry.
nice videos!! nice !!
I was here
Your content is great, but it would be better as a podcast. I have never understood why tech youtubers need to have their face on the screen so much. Cheers!
Second! First Like!
Specs aside, Lenovo quality is just bad. I never bought a Lenovo in 10 years.