Black Community was being used before the NWA thing but afterwards people were breaking there necks to help sell out our Community. Everyone wanted to be Gangster. The Community would celebrate a recently released prisoner than AN COLLEGE GRADUATE. Thank you for having this conversation and please have many more.
Huge Special Ed fan! I applaud you for telling it how it was. Very brave! I was a huge NWA fan too at the time but was old enough not to imitate what I heard on records! No denying many kids got caught up in the influence of NWA.
Can't wait to see the full interview. I expected Math to be a little bit more in aggreance with what Ed spoke though. I've heard things that mattered way less get a round of applause.
I disagree with Math, Vanilla Ice and Mc Hammer sold way more Records than NWA at the time. Yet people called them corny and didn't follow that trend. NWA was and became the gold standard. Rap became much more intense.
That’s different tho, because most people looked at MC Hammer as selling out. While Vanilla Ice lied about being from the Hood in Miami and was actually from Dallas.
Facts. NWA was underground in the 80's. Like Luke/2 Live Crew their music wasn't played on radio and barely seen on TV. All this revisionist history make it seem as NWA was mainstream and on top of the charts
@@SuperbNProsper He lied about almost everything 😂 being a champion award-winning dirt bike guy, racing boats “with Escobar and all of the cocaine cowboys”, not hanging out with drug addicts but also saving a cracked out ODB at the Juggalo festival by “pressing play on Baby I Got Your Money”, the list goes on & on & on
If you want to understand any problem in America, you need to focus on who profits from that problem, not who suffers from that problem. - Dr. Amos Wilson
Thank you for bringing this legend to the Shop. Special Ed was definitely one of my favorites. Please get Chubb Rock if you could. I would love to hear his stories and thoughts on today's game. Dam I miss the 80's and early 90's of Hip Hop.
This conversation is so interesting because people wants to point the finger at what cause our people to turn from "positive" rap and embrace "gangster rap". It's crazy cause when you compare what NWA was saying back then to whats being said now in "drill rap" NWA seems mild, damn near a nursery rhyme comparatively. And when you also take into account that the artist themselves(from NWA) have said they didn't call the type of music they made gangsta rap, they called it reality rap, it was suppose to reflect the reality they were living in whether actively taken place in it or watching it go down, and one of the reason they went this direction is because NO ONE WAS TELLING THEIR STORY, and some how we've come full circle to rewrite NWA history and what the artist testimony, what they have done to to contribute to the globalization of hip hop. it's a real shame how people willtwist and rewrite the narrative to fit it in their picture frame. but like math likes to say "everythings perspective."
Because you can’t have black peoples waking up. 👨🏻 knows we a a people of vibration so he has to watch what messages we get. Remember in 80s brothers wanted African medallions just like they wanted gold ropes
@@each1teach1academy43 I went to school with Ed, look at the video for I got it made, we were wearing wood and had knowledge of self… no one was afraid to dance, ppl had fun but there were also conscious messages in most songs based on the 5 percent nation… crack was falling so the new drug was to get niggas hooked on this gangster ish fast forward to now… they got their hands on our women, first they got our women to co-sign the gay ish, now they have our women who are ratchet be the face of anything in the media… from real housewives, to love and hip hop to basketball wives to amber rose to sexxy Redd… coupled with the emasculation of the black man… this is how they are getting us.
It took Tribe years to go platinum. Cube, Dre, Snoop, etc were going platinum+ in several months. It’s not the same thing. Plus Tribe was a rarity because most groups affiliated with them didn’t go platinum.
Special Ed was the first MC i memorized lyrics from with his song "I got it made". That was my anthem at 8 years old growing up in south jamaica queens. Him and slick rick were the 2 illest back in those days.
At the time when Hammer had his cartoon, rappers turned their back saying he went commercial, when all commercial means is business, Hammer was ahead and was getting money outside of music and the artist didn't get it
I was manifiesting positivity, I was manifiesting empowerment, I was manfiesting wealth -Special ED Flathbush Brooklyn! This brother was ahead of his time.
Dee 1 said he was doing GOD's work, so when he called out Rick Ross and Jim Jones, it was following orders! Hip Hop has become a gateway for the black community to fraternize with demonic spirts. If chastising and calling out these artist publicly it will change the tides I am all for it.
@@Crushcarter That observation if true doesn't change anything. Is his album talking about killing black people and selling drugs! No it isn't! It is positive high vibration music that many of us need to hear. So, if when Ross promote his album who's work is he doing?
@nwjerz First,let's not act like Dee-1 is the first person to come along to say this. Remember "conscious rap" ( I hate using that term) We had rappers that balance with positivity, so that everything wasn't negative. So there was always a movement. Dee-1 lost me with "I not going to talk to the rappers 21-27 because they still trying figure out" wait,what? That the ones you need to talk to.
Before NWA, there was Schooly D. Reality rap actually started with The Message. When Melle Mel said, "Don't push me cause I'm close to the edge... I'm trying not to lose my head," that was the precursor to NWA already being at that edge and losing their heads. And even though, a lot of New Yorkers in the '80s weren't really rappin' "gangsta" per se, they were dressing like drug dealers and appealing to the streets, which created hip hop. The culture was started by the Black Spades. It was bound to get gritty. It was inevitable.
Reality is multifaceted, not one dimensional. There are so much other stories that can be told about the community, but they're not being told. You have to ask yourself why is that.
The first NWA album had a subtle consciousness and militant vibe to it, while ICE CUBE was there writing. ICE CUBE leaves before album 2, and the conscious militant vibe went with him...
Exactly. One of the most well known tracks from the album is 'Fuck Tha Police.' It didn't get more "revolutionary" than that for some young black men to be saying in 80s America.....
@@dawb86 Facts. Also every song NWA made wasn't gangsta. "Express yourself", "I ain't the one", "something 2 dance 2", and "quiet on the set". After Cube left, the production sound went up and lyrics more outrageous.
I think the point is the industry pushed NWA to influence the black community. Old White men wanted those messages put out instead of positive, uplifting ones
We need more people like him running around the industry then whoever making these decisions now days sounds like it would be a lot better of a industry an probably less deaths in the rap game
No we don’t. He’s low key a West Coast hater, but trying to hide it behind his so called message of being positive. He’s never once called out Kool G Rap, Biggie, MOP, or Fat Joe. That’s how I know he’s full of it.
@@cryptowalk1387 Wrong. I'm from the West coast. NWA became a phenomenon with that first album with virtually no radio airplay because of its lyrical content and eventually sold a million copies almost off word of mouth alone. After that, record labels started signing acts in that same vein or trying to push their already signed rappers with street backgrounds to talk more about their gritty, hardcore pasts. Fast-forward to now, labels are signing rappers if they already doing large numbers on social media and the kids support rappers more based on their street lifestyles than actual skills. (when you debate the youngsters they think it's a flex to throw that 'everybody don't want to hear that lyrical miracle rap all the time' line in your face) NOW you kind of recognize the correlation?
@@cryptowalk1387 They all came later. Also, he's pointing a finger at the movement NWA was at the front of and not them personally. It's kinda hard to talk about the start of Gangsta Rap without mentioning NWA, cuz the rise started with SOC, not NWA&TP, or even Rhyme Pays.
Kool G Rap in 1988 had Road to the Riches which highlighted the path from being broke to selling drugs to violence to going to prison. He covered the whole thing to dissuade us kids from that life style. The video was epic.
I always knew this brother was intelligent! Our old school rappers are so scared to speak up like Special ED! They are scared of losing money or not being cool! Wake up and speak the truth! Our communities ate losing while a few are becoming rich!
I don't know about blaming the white man on this one. Eazy E came to Jerry Heller to get distribution for that style of rap. He seemed skeptical and scared as hell about pushing those kind of records. He probably had a change of heart after he noticed how much those songs were selling but he originally was scared about it. And 2 Live Crew won their case to do 'foul mouthed' overly sexualized music. So really it was a battle to create those kind of records and sell them on a mainstream scale.
Exactly, none of the labels wanted to sign NWA, MTV banned they video, a lot of Radio Stations banned they music. NWA grew they popularity in the streets by selling they music out the trunk. They had no clue how far it was gonna go. They were just focused on being that voice for LA, that LA didn’t really have.
Incorrect P, Heller took BIH record to big labels for distribution and they were scared. Jerry was leaving a situation at Macola so he was looking for something new and fresh since he worked with legends in the rock n roll era which was as crazy and disturbing for middle class America back then in its own way. Eric just got a street named after him in Compton, brilliant business man and marketing genius, Jerry was a great partner to go viral outside of LA and Eric stepped to him and the rest was history. NWA was bumping all over LA before Jerry came into the picture, thanks to Eric, Dre and em for taking their chances to put out harsh music depicting harsh reality. The only times Heller was scared was when FBI hit em with the letter and when Suge tried to destroy Ruthless Records in 91/92
I’m glad y’all having the conversation cause people acting it’s only todays rappers glorifying the streets and negativity when it started with yall favorites including NWA and everyone after
Remember the people who control the music industry pushed the negative music but didn't want their kids to listen to what they was selling, it's like the scene in Godfather, "keep it to the dark people, the colored their animals anyway let them loose their souls"
Math🌟👑🌟 Is on Fire 🔥 A.Z then D.Dot now Special Ed general salute . I remember feeling like Ed, I was thinking N.W.A was extreme and not real. We had Queen LA with U.N.I.T.Y and fight the power Public Enemy. 💯🔥👑🔥⚖️
Ed's right about the youth...No coping skills. However, society will always have an appetite for destruction. All we can realistically aim for is balance.
The editing at the end is hilarious. Math: "It's business. They find more artists who sound like them, so when they're not dropping albums they're still gonna make the same money off the same audience." Ed: "And they brought us to where we at now." Cut to: "The greatest feeling in the world is holding my own gun!"
NWA def wasn’t the 1st, especially in LA, it was just popularized the most with them. & Honestly you Can’t put blame on Jerry Heller either for what happened after NWA blew up. Because realistically what made NWA extremely popular was the effect of them being Banned from Radio & MTV, No label wanted to sign them at all. It became that must see / hear because they wanna ban it so bad type of situation. But at the same time they weren’t glorifying gangbanging. You never heard them say or claim Crip or Blood on they songs. They were definitely speaking on the realities that world out there. When you hear a song like Gangsta Gangsta, Cube is rapping from a perspective of someone gangbanging & doing what a gang banger does, but in the End he ends up in Jail. A lot of they songs did have a story with a beginning & end. & most of the endings didn’t turn out well for that character. In the Song like fuck the police they were speaking a much built up frustration our community had for the longest when it came to police, but nobody openly spoke it to that extent on a record. I feel special Ed is wrong on the part about them speaking on their environment. Yes plenty of Rappers were speaking on the environment, but they were speaking on it from a NEW YORK perspective. NWA spoke on it from a LA perspective, same with Ice T. New York wasn’t dealing with a crash unit or the batter ram, people dying over colors. A lot of the world didn’t even know how dangerous LA was far as the gang element, most people at that time saw LA as surfing ,beaches & Hollywood. Nobody knew what a Compton , Watts, South Central was until Colors & NWA/Ice T . All of the was very much hidden on a mass scale It was necessary for it to happen.
Great post. Special Ed is only smart and "deep" to dumb niggaz lol. I tuned him out when he said NWA's environment shouldn't be factored in to the kind of music they were putting out. It's just intellectually dishonest and lazy to try to lay all the blame of the ills in our communities on a singular rap group. It's reactionary, and just stupid. Zero nuance. Instead, just self righteous babbling and drivel.
'MY HAIR WAS GROWING 2 LONG .. SO I GOT ME A FADE .. AND WHEN MY DISHES GOT DIRTY .. I GOT CASCADE .. AND WHEN DA WEATHER WAS HOT .. I GOT A SPOT IN DA SHADE' ..
Living in Nigeria, I thought Gangsta rap started with ICE-T at the time, particularly with the track called "I'm Your Pusher" in 1988. Then, there was the highroller at the time. After that, N.W.A came around in '92-at least that's when we heard the introduction of Gangsta rap in Nigeria.
Salute to Special Ed and he has some very valid Points ... I'm From that Era and Gang banging Rose 95 percent across the USA in 1988 when the movie Colors appeared in movie theaters across the country Places that knew nothing about that life style adapted it. also Ice T had that song colors the video and song received major rotation.
I honestly wonder if what Math said about Tribe is true. That if they went 10x platinum everybody would switch to conscious rap. Bc as it is their 1st album went gold and the next 3 went platinum. Thats over 3 million records sold over a span of 5 years. Sure, NWA 1st album went 3x platinum. But there was money to be made in both styles of music. I believe the powers that be saw the positive effects conscious music was having in the community and sabotaged it before the movement could really take off. Even if they did start going diamond, i doubt the industry would have backed it. I think theyd have put a stop to it regardless, and just found a way to sell 10x the amount of negative music
I agree with Ed. You noticed no positive, self awareness rap hasn't been in the game on a full spectrum since the 90's. I could never relate the Westcoast "gangsta rap" or the "southern booty music". Still can't
Appreciate the perspective that Special Ed brings ...Its not a slight to NWA or gangster rap-its because it became duplicated because it was selling its was no longer a reflection it was becoming exaggerated and make believe fools wasnt doing all that shyt ... so it all got convoluted. and there was not balance some NWA some Tribe some Too Short etc. it was all NWA type music now that is the industry taking control of a culture and shaping to fit their agenda and us losing control of our art which eventually led to hip hop artist being open to giving and selling as much of the culture that benefit them personally
Ed is acting like Ren and Eazy didn’t really bang. Like Eazy didn’t really move dope. This was a legit lifestyle for him. Of course the music was an embellishment, just like Ed admitted his music was a materialistic embellishment. Next debate.
This could go both ways but what’s always left out of this argumentis the lack of parenting. If I’m an adult with children and deciphering this media and I’m not letting my children know what’s real and what’s not I’m failing at parenting 🤷🏽♂️
Truth of the matter is Hip Hop was developed to get us out of the gang culture. Early seventies at the end of Vietnam war all the veterans came back from nam with drug problems. And the gang culture in NY specifically the the Bronx was out control. The gangs negotiated dance battle instead of gun battles. Parties instead of random violence. Special Ed has some valid points.
He spoke nothing but facts, especially that last line. I think balance is missing today. There was always something to counter act what was pushed as the norm and wholesome was still a thing, and kids had activities that let them be kids. This generation does not have these things and only given 304 route, Rockstar rap, or drill. Anything else unless like kendrick, drake, cole is not pushed as much. Definitely not anything masculine and family oriented.
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Salute to Special Ed for having the courage to go against the grain and drop facts.
Finally. Someone from his era not afraid to call a spade a spade. He spoken 100% truth.
He been said this on drink James lol
It wasn't that long ago and he's supposed to
@@WHODATSLUGGER
Black Community was being used before the NWA thing but afterwards people were breaking there necks to help sell out our Community. Everyone wanted to be Gangster. The Community would celebrate a recently released prisoner than AN COLLEGE GRADUATE. Thank you for having this conversation and please have many more.
Speak That TRUTH Special Ed !!! SALUTE !!!
Special Ed deserves his flowers. 💐💐💐
My 4 year old has me blast 'I got it made' through the house every morning to kick off the day.
Huge Special Ed fan! I applaud you for telling it how it was. Very brave! I was a huge NWA fan too at the time but was old enough not to imitate what I heard on records! No denying many kids got caught up in the influence of NWA.
No they didn't homie stop that nonsense
@@thelastdon9000Agreed, people just make things up and it's sad that the youth don't know any better and believe it.
This conversation is so good and waayyyy pass due ❤
Special Ed is definitely pushing positivity 💯
Can't wait to see the full interview. I expected Math to be a little bit more in aggreance with what Ed spoke though. I've heard things that mattered way less get a round of applause.
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I disagree with Math, Vanilla Ice and Mc Hammer sold way more Records than NWA at the time. Yet people called them corny and didn't follow that trend. NWA was and became the gold standard. Rap became much more intense.
That’s different tho, because most people looked at MC Hammer as selling out. While Vanilla Ice lied about being from the Hood in Miami and was actually from Dallas.
Facts. NWA was underground in the 80's. Like Luke/2 Live Crew their music wasn't played on radio and barely seen on TV.
All this revisionist history make it seem as NWA was mainstream and on top of the charts
@@SuperbNProsper He lied about almost everything 😂 being a champion award-winning dirt bike guy, racing boats “with Escobar and all of the cocaine cowboys”, not hanging out with drug addicts but also saving a cracked out ODB at the Juggalo festival by “pressing play on Baby I Got Your Money”, the list goes on & on & on
The media made gangster rap what it is and even named it. Its all a war tactic
yet and still Vanilla Ice sold half a Billion records, & still sells about a million a year since, the same record that's crazy 🤯
If you want to understand any problem in America, you need to focus on who profits from that problem, not who suffers from that problem.
- Dr. Amos Wilson
MY TEACHER KNEW HIM PERSONALLY DIED FROM MASSIVE HEARTH ATTACK TEACHING AND EDUCATING OUR PEOPLE STRESS IS MF
@@rmenelik3 man I would have loved to sit down and build with him. We lost a great one
LEGENDARY!! 🇯🇲🔥
Thank you for bringing this legend to the Shop. Special Ed was definitely one of my favorites. Please get Chubb Rock if you could. I would love to hear his stories and thoughts on today's game. Dam I miss the 80's and early 90's of Hip Hop.
Thank you Special Ed! He's totally correct!
This conversation is so interesting because people wants to point the finger at what cause our people to turn from "positive" rap and embrace "gangster rap". It's crazy cause when you compare what NWA was saying back then to whats being said now in "drill rap" NWA seems mild, damn near a nursery rhyme comparatively. And when you also take into account that the artist themselves(from NWA) have said they didn't call the type of music they made gangsta rap, they called it reality rap, it was suppose to reflect the reality they were living in whether actively taken place in it or watching it go down, and one of the reason they went this direction is because NO ONE WAS TELLING THEIR STORY, and some how we've come full circle to rewrite NWA history and what the artist testimony, what they have done to to contribute to the globalization of hip hop. it's a real shame how people willtwist and rewrite the narrative to fit it in their picture frame. but like math likes to say "everythings perspective."
8 ball and gangster gangster isn't nursery b.
Been saying this for years. Salute to Special Ed.
Big props goes to Special Ed.🎤💫
A Tribe called Quest always went platinum! How come the industry stopped looking for artist pushing that angle? 🤔
Because you can’t have black peoples waking up. 👨🏻 knows we a a people of vibration so he has to watch what messages we get.
Remember in 80s brothers wanted African medallions just like they wanted gold ropes
Great point!
@@each1teach1academy43 I went to school with Ed, look at the video for I got it made, we were wearing wood and had knowledge of self… no one was afraid to dance, ppl had fun but there were also conscious messages in most songs based on the 5 percent nation… crack was falling so the new drug was to get niggas hooked on this gangster ish fast forward to now… they got their hands on our women, first they got our women to co-sign the gay ish, now they have our women who are ratchet be the face of anything in the media… from real housewives, to love and hip hop to basketball wives to amber rose to sexxy Redd… coupled with the emasculation of the black man… this is how they are getting us.
It took Tribe years to go platinum. Cube, Dre, Snoop, etc were going platinum+ in several months. It’s not the same thing. Plus Tribe was a rarity because most groups affiliated with them didn’t go platinum.
Special Ed was the first MC i memorized lyrics from with his song "I got it made". That was my anthem at 8 years old growing up in south jamaica queens. Him and slick rick were the 2 illest back in those days.
9:52 Math……nah nah nah nah we gotta change that!! 😂😂😂protecting “them folks”😂😂😂
At the time when Hammer had his cartoon, rappers turned their back saying he went commercial, when all commercial means is business, Hammer was ahead and was getting money outside of music and the artist didn't get it
Exactly people ridiculed kid 'n play too when their cartoon came out but it was a positive look for the youth and their brand
@@ctgal9698 LoL yeah I remember and liked that Saturday morning cartoon ...... memories
Math!! Great interview!!! I met special Ed in Manhattan in the early 90s. Keep up the good work!! Good brother!!!!
I was manifiesting positivity, I was manifiesting empowerment, I was manfiesting wealth -Special ED Flathbush Brooklyn! This brother was ahead of his time.
That right there hit different. I love that man for that. 💯
Big facts he was only 15- 16 too. 💯👑🎯
Dee 1 said he was doing GOD's work, so when he called out Rick Ross and Jim Jones, it was following orders! Hip Hop has become a gateway for the black community to fraternize with demonic spirts. If chastising and calling out these artist publicly it will change the tides I am all for it.
Agreed.
God's work plus he was pushing out a album...but you know
@@Crushcarter That observation if true doesn't change anything. Is his album talking about killing black people and selling drugs! No it isn't! It is positive high vibration music that many of us need to hear. So, if when Ross promote his album who's work is he doing?
@nwjerz First,let's not act like Dee-1 is the first person to come along to say this. Remember "conscious rap" ( I hate using that term) We had rappers that balance with positivity, so that everything wasn't negative. So there was always a movement.
Dee-1 lost me with "I not going to talk to the rappers 21-27 because they still trying figure out" wait,what? That the ones you need to talk to.
Already know this going to be good one ed dont hold back
Math just always has to be right
Before NWA, there was Schooly D. Reality rap actually started with The Message. When Melle Mel said, "Don't push me cause I'm close to the edge... I'm trying not to lose my head," that was the precursor to NWA already being at that edge and losing their heads. And even though, a lot of New Yorkers in the '80s weren't really rappin' "gangsta" per se, they were dressing like drug dealers and appealing to the streets, which created hip hop. The culture was started by the Black Spades. It was bound to get gritty. It was inevitable.
word ... #NY
Facts 💯
Don't forget Kool g rap
Reality is multifaceted, not one dimensional. There are so much other stories that can be told about the community, but they're not being told. You have to ask yourself why is that.
Criminal Minded 👀
Looking forward to this one! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The first NWA album had a subtle consciousness and militant vibe to it, while ICE CUBE was there writing. ICE CUBE leaves before album 2, and the conscious militant vibe went with him...
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Exactly. One of the most well known tracks from the album is 'Fuck Tha Police.' It didn't get more "revolutionary" than that for some young black men to be saying in 80s America.....
@@dawb86 Facts. Also every song NWA made wasn't gangsta. "Express yourself", "I ain't the one", "something 2 dance 2", and "quiet on the set". After Cube left, the production sound went up and lyrics more outrageous.
Special Ed!!! Let’s gooo!!!
THEY PUT BOYZ IN THE HOOD TOGETHER BEFORE MEETING JERRY,YALL GOTTA GET FACTS RIGHT
I think the point is the industry pushed NWA to influence the black community. Old White men wanted those messages put out instead of positive, uplifting ones
This conversation doesn’t even matter anymore because the damage is done and it’s pretty much irreversible… 🤷🏾♂️
MECCA must’ve been reading the comment section 😂
Mr. Mecc didn't say a single word! He's like let me stay out of this! lol
I like how Math said it was just business and Ed cuts in at the end by saying “and here we are!”.
Yeeeaahh! This is going to be a great one!🫡
We need more people like him running around the industry then whoever making these decisions now days sounds like it would be a lot better of a industry an probably less deaths in the rap game
Easier said than done
We just need more sense, in general. Our problems are obvious.
No we don’t. He’s low key a West Coast hater, but trying to hide it behind his so called message of being positive.
He’s never once called out Kool G Rap, Biggie, MOP, or Fat Joe.
That’s how I know he’s full of it.
@@cryptowalk1387 Wrong. I'm from the West coast. NWA became a phenomenon with that first album with virtually no radio airplay because of its lyrical content and eventually sold a million copies almost off word of mouth alone. After that, record labels started signing acts in that same vein or trying to push their already signed rappers with street backgrounds to talk more about their gritty, hardcore pasts. Fast-forward to now, labels are signing rappers if they already doing large numbers on social media and the kids support rappers more based on their street lifestyles than actual skills. (when you debate the youngsters they think it's a flex to throw that 'everybody don't want to hear that lyrical miracle rap all the time' line in your face) NOW you kind of recognize the correlation?
@@cryptowalk1387 They all came later. Also, he's pointing a finger at the movement NWA was at the front of and not them personally. It's kinda hard to talk about the start of Gangsta Rap without mentioning NWA, cuz the rise started with SOC, not NWA&TP, or even Rhyme Pays.
Special ed dropping gems
Good dialog...Much needed
Kool G Rap in 1988 had Road to the Riches which highlighted the path from being broke to selling drugs to violence to going to prison. He covered the whole thing to dissuade us kids from that life style. The video was epic.
People Can't Except the FACT that It Was ALL a Setup!
" It's Easier to Fool a People than to Explained to them they Been Fooled 😢"...
It worked perfect too.
I always knew this brother was intelligent! Our old school rappers are so scared to speak up like Special ED! They are scared of losing money or not being cool! Wake up and speak the truth! Our communities ate losing while a few are becoming rich!
Thank God for special ED!!
I don't know about blaming the white man on this one. Eazy E came to Jerry Heller to get distribution for that style of rap. He seemed skeptical and scared as hell about pushing those kind of records. He probably had a change of heart after he noticed how much those songs were selling but he originally was scared about it. And 2 Live Crew won their case to do 'foul mouthed' overly sexualized music. So really it was a battle to create those kind of records and sell them on a mainstream scale.
Exactly, none of the labels wanted to sign NWA, MTV banned they video, a lot of Radio Stations banned they music. NWA grew they popularity in the streets by selling they music out the trunk. They had no clue how far it was gonna go. They were just focused on being that voice for LA, that LA didn’t really have.
Incorrect P, Heller took BIH record to big labels for distribution and they were scared. Jerry was leaving a situation at Macola so he was looking for something new and fresh since he worked with legends in the rock n roll era which was as crazy and disturbing for middle class America back then in its own way. Eric just got a street named after him in Compton, brilliant business man and marketing genius, Jerry was a great partner to go viral outside of LA and Eric stepped to him and the rest was history. NWA was bumping all over LA before Jerry came into the picture, thanks to Eric, Dre and em for taking their chances to put out harsh music depicting harsh reality. The only times Heller was scared was when FBI hit em with the letter and when Suge tried to destroy Ruthless Records in 91/92
Lupe Fiasco - Bad B*tch. Nuff said... 😮
U WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE ON JUDGEMENT DAY
I’m glad y’all having the conversation cause people acting it’s only todays rappers glorifying the streets and negativity when it started with yall favorites including NWA and everyone after
ED making the rounds 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Remember the people who control the music industry pushed the negative music but didn't want their kids to listen to what they was selling, it's like the scene in Godfather, "keep it to the dark people, the colored their animals anyway let them loose their souls"
Nah the Godfather said "Ok sell it to the blacks their lost anyway "
Yesssss!!! Special Ed. Love You!!!
SPECIAL ED his name is self explanatory
Foundational rap brings forth things and a mind set that never was ,gangster or hard core rap brings to light things that already are....
NWA was Talking About what was Happening and STILL Happening In COMPTON, don’t speak on a Place you Never Been 💪🏾
facts... hip hop was becoming conscious and the masses didnt like that.
marcmason Exactly
Special Ed and Dee 1 would be a dope link up!
I been rocking with Math Hoffa since Rap War One
It wasn’t exaggerated it was their reality at that time
Math🌟👑🌟 Is on Fire 🔥 A.Z then D.Dot now Special Ed general salute . I remember feeling like Ed, I was thinking N.W.A was extreme and not real. We had Queen LA with U.N.I.T.Y and fight the power Public Enemy. 💯🔥👑🔥⚖️
Ed's right about the youth...No coping skills. However, society will always have an appetite for destruction. All we can realistically aim for is balance.
Salute to Special Ed 🫡
Finally someone said it, props to special ed
Once the people understand Rap Artist are similar to Actors. We can avoid alot of problems.
The editing at the end is hilarious.
Math: "It's business. They find more artists who sound like them, so when they're not dropping albums they're still gonna make the same money off the same audience."
Ed: "And they brought us to where we at now."
Cut to: "The greatest feeling in the world is holding my own gun!"
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Well Well. Somebody on the westcoast had an album called "Music to Driveby To" Nuff Said. Ed is spot on. It is what it is
It's Music to Drive-by. It wasn't a "to' on the title homie
@drndrnll14 bruh you get the picture. Cut it out. They wasn't during drive-by in no white neighborhoods, only killing the brothas. You better wake up
OutKast and The Fugees both sold millions of records and they never tried to change all music to that
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If NWA was from New York this conversation would be totally different 😏
NWA def wasn’t the 1st, especially in LA, it was just popularized the most with them. & Honestly you Can’t put blame on Jerry Heller either for what happened after NWA blew up.
Because realistically what made NWA extremely popular was the effect of them being Banned from Radio & MTV, No label wanted to sign them at all.
It became that must see / hear because they wanna ban it so bad type of situation.
But at the same time they weren’t glorifying gangbanging. You never heard them say or claim Crip or Blood on they songs. They were definitely speaking on the realities that world out there.
When you hear a song like Gangsta Gangsta, Cube is rapping from a perspective of someone gangbanging & doing what a gang banger does, but in the End he ends up in Jail. A lot of they songs did have a story with a beginning & end. & most of the endings didn’t turn out well for that character.
In the Song like fuck the police they were speaking a much built up frustration our community had for the longest when it came to police, but nobody openly spoke it to that extent on a record.
I feel special Ed is wrong on the part about them speaking on their environment. Yes plenty of Rappers were speaking on the environment, but they were speaking on it from a NEW YORK perspective. NWA spoke on it from a LA perspective, same with Ice T. New York wasn’t dealing with a crash unit or the batter ram, people dying over colors. A lot of the world didn’t even know how dangerous LA was far as the gang element, most people at that time saw LA as surfing ,beaches & Hollywood. Nobody knew what a Compton , Watts, South Central was until Colors & NWA/Ice T . All of the was very much hidden on a mass scale
It was necessary for it to happen.
You’re so right B, shaking your hand man, you took it from the tip of my tongue pause
You explained that very well!!! 👏🏾
Great post. Special Ed is only smart and "deep" to dumb niggaz lol. I tuned him out when he said NWA's environment shouldn't be factored in to the kind of music they were putting out. It's just intellectually dishonest and lazy to try to lay all the blame of the ills in our communities on a singular rap group. It's reactionary, and just stupid. Zero nuance. Instead, just self righteous babbling and drivel.
Drop the whole interview please!!!
S/o to special ed and s/o to yall for bringing him on
'MY HAIR WAS GROWING 2 LONG .. SO I GOT ME A FADE .. AND WHEN MY DISHES GOT DIRTY .. I GOT CASCADE .. AND WHEN DA WEATHER WAS HOT .. I GOT A SPOT IN DA SHADE' ..
Living in Nigeria, I thought Gangsta rap started with ICE-T at the time, particularly with the track called "I'm Your Pusher" in 1988. Then, there was the highroller at the time. After that, N.W.A came around in '92-at least that's when we heard the introduction of Gangsta rap in Nigeria.
Salute to Special Ed
Listening to "I Got It Made" and actually Listening Special Ed was spitting.
I want to hear more of special ed the brother make a whole lot os since and on top of that he was back there when it started.
Math... that verse on the intro is crazy.
Salute to Special Ed and he has some very valid Points ... I'm From that Era and Gang banging Rose 95 percent across the USA in 1988 when the movie Colors appeared in movie theaters across the country Places that knew nothing about that life style adapted it. also Ice T had that song colors the video and song received major rotation.
Wow shout out to Special Ed🔥
Gangster Rap Made me do it Cube🌎✊🏾👑🐐. ED talk about that Bs rap you be talking about 🥷🏾on speedboats and yachts..
Respect. Leaving a comment for the algo.
Aye,yo,ed ,this is y u the magnificent, yo!❤
I honestly wonder if what Math said about Tribe is true. That if they went 10x platinum everybody would switch to conscious rap. Bc as it is their 1st album went gold and the next 3 went platinum. Thats over 3 million records sold over a span of 5 years. Sure, NWA 1st album went 3x platinum. But there was money to be made in both styles of music. I believe the powers that be saw the positive effects conscious music was having in the community and sabotaged it before the movement could really take off. Even if they did start going diamond, i doubt the industry would have backed it. I think theyd have put a stop to it regardless, and just found a way to sell 10x the amount of negative music
The music slappin Math
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This man speaking positivity in music Math agreeing but the intro & outro is song dark asl
GREAT BUILD!
the day onyx put the song throw your guns in the air i knew hiphop will go off limit
I agree with Ed. You noticed no positive, self awareness rap hasn't been in the game on a full spectrum since the 90's. I could never relate the Westcoast "gangsta rap" or the "southern booty music". Still can't
I get paid when my record is played, to put it short, I Got It Made
Appreciate the perspective that Special Ed brings ...Its not a slight to NWA or gangster rap-its because it became duplicated because it was selling its was no longer a reflection it was becoming exaggerated and make believe fools wasnt doing all that shyt ... so it all got convoluted. and there was not balance some NWA some Tribe some Too Short etc. it was all NWA type music now that is the industry taking control of a culture and shaping to fit their agenda and us losing control of our art which eventually led to hip hop artist being open to giving and selling as much of the culture that benefit them personally
Ed is acting like Ren and Eazy didn’t really bang. Like Eazy didn’t really move dope. This was a legit lifestyle for him. Of course the music was an embellishment, just like Ed admitted his music was a materialistic embellishment. Next debate.
This could go both ways but what’s always left out of this argumentis the lack of parenting. If I’m an adult with children and deciphering this media and I’m not letting my children know what’s real and what’s not I’m failing at parenting 🤷🏽♂️
🔥🔥🔥 Conversation….. Definitely need more…
Truth of the matter is Hip Hop was developed to get us out of the gang culture. Early seventies at the end of Vietnam war all the veterans came back from nam with drug problems. And the gang culture in NY specifically the the Bronx was out control. The gangs negotiated dance battle instead of gun battles. Parties instead of random violence. Special Ed has some valid points.
He spoke nothing but facts, especially that last line. I think balance is missing today. There was always something to counter act what was pushed as the norm and wholesome was still a thing, and kids had activities that let them be kids. This generation does not have these things and only given 304 route, Rockstar rap, or drill. Anything else unless like kendrick, drake, cole is not pushed as much. Definitely not anything masculine and family oriented.
special ED eating there lunch. Math thinking about the song he just dropped
Idk I was just listening to “Rukus”, some pretty gangsta lyrics. “Put the shotgun to your chest piece blow!”
His 3rd album definitely had some hardcore content
NWA was rapping the same way …way before Jerry Heller
Special Ed a real one