25:14 This surprised even me, but it's actually the other way around. "The Legend of Zelda" is the subtitle on the original Japanese version of Zelda 1. The game is called "The Hyrule Fantasy: The Legend of Zelda". They just kept the original game's subtitle for the rest of the series for whatever reason. Feels weird that we could have ended up in the timeline where they didn't do that and the series is known as "The Hyrule Fantasy". Personally, I much prefer what we got, even if the strict association with Zelda makes it seem odd considering how little of a role she plays in so many of the games.
Makes me wonder, if they had gone with the Hyrule Fantasy name then there's a good chance that they wouldn't have kept the same protagonists and antagonist in all the games and would've had a rotating cast in the same setting a la most RPG series. Very odd to think about now
@@miqwerty The Link of each game already borders on being a completely different character from the previous one, so it probably wouldn't be a huge shift beyond more varied designs and names
@@miqwertyto be honest, I already do that in my head. whenever I play a Zelda game I give each hero their own identity and headcanon them as regular people who felt compelled to do the right thing on their own that whole "spirit of the hero" thing feels so weak to me. like, nah, regular people can't do shit, only the one person who is born the right way can do anything meaningful
Hadn't even thought about the Dark World reflection idea with Ganon/Ganondorf before. That's a fun theory! Even if I don't rank LTTP among my top favorites, pink-haired Link will always have a special place in my heart. lol
The title change was pretty much solely due to Nintendo of America's strict localization policies at the time. This game came out pre-ESRB, so with no regulations on video game content and thus no real legal defense in the case of controversy, the typical course of action was to simply avoid any content that could at all be considered objectionable -- and in prudish late-80s early-90s America, this included direct references to religion. Which, yes, included the word "god" itself. The title "A Link to the Past" was chosen because the game was a prequel and NoA liked the pun. That's it. And the title wasn't the only thing that was changed in localization because of this. The very blatant cathedral is referred to as the more neutral term "sanctuary," Agahnim is called a "wizard" instead of a priest, and the Seven Sages are now the "Seven Wise Men" (funny in hindsight because Ocarina would show us that five of them were actually women). It's the same reason Final Fantasy games at the time changed the churches into "clinics" (replacing the cross on the steeple with a heart) and renaming the Holy spell "Pearl."
Regarding the timeline; Zelda 2 was made as a direct sequel to Zelda 1, ALTTP was made as a distant prequel to Zelda 1 OOT was made as a direct prequel to ALTTP MM was made as an immediate sequel to OOT WW was made as a direct sequel to OOT where Link disappeared (Adult timeline) TP was made as a direct sequel to OOT as well, where Link remained and Ganondorf was arrested (Child timeline) SS was explicitly made as an absolute starting point to the franchise BOTW was explicitly made as an absolute end point to the franchise, with no explicit timeline given As someone who does care about the continuity and timeline, it actually all holds together decently well. If you do pay attention to the story, there is a fairly consistent narrative thread holding it all together. While there are definitely smaller inconsistencies, the major narrative threads tend to be consistent; especially if you go by the Japanese original texts. Even side games tend to be managed this way: Link's Awakening is an immediate sequel to ALTTP Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass are direct sequels to WInd Waker It kinda sucks that the Zelda timeline is given such an awful reputation, which I attribute to the kinds of people trying to argue minor landmarks shared between two games contradict the official timeline or whatever. The main games are honestly pretty consistent with each other, but even I will admit once you start trying to include shit like Triforce Heroes and Four Swords (GBA) its pretty hard to justify some continuity errors. Also the whole 'Downfall Timeline' is slightly contrived I do just want to point out that there is far more intent and direction behind the timeline than people give it credit for. I wouldn't put it anywhere near Sega's blatant lack of care for continuity with the Sonic franchise. Here's an interview from Aonuma in 2007 himself identifying the difference between the Child and Adult timelines in reference to Twilight Princess! www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Interview:Nintendo_Dream_February_2007 obviously if you're still not interested in the timelines, continuity, and rationalizing little inconsistencies, that's totally fine, the games are still wonderful as standalone experiences :D
Took the words right out of my mouth. It’s so frustrating when people act like they’re above the lore in these games. There’s plenty going on to talk about and it’s not just all forced.
Finally someone who speaks the truth. the timeline does in fact make sense, and of course smaller details aren't going to add up because 90% of the series wasn't strictly made with a timeline in mind. Fantastic comment.
For me it's also a matter of how the timeline doesn't actually matter for the events of most of the stories. How does TP taking place in the same timeline as Majora's Mask make the story better? It doesn't. It has no impact on the game's story. The Hero's Spirit is the old Link... And? Things like that don't actually impact the individual game stories in meaningful ways.
@@Pariah6950 Ganondorf being executed for thoughtcrime rather than killed by Link in the future actually ties directly into TP's plot in a really cool way, and at the very least it heavily informs his design in that game I was really surprised on my first replay since release how clearly they actually stress that connection on screen- I had let all the fan squabbling over the timelines not making sense and being made up after the fact trick me into thinking this stuff never came up in the games at all
10:05 counterpoint: while gameplay-wise, map-marking handholds and takes away the spirit of zelda1's blind adventuring, we are also given a storyline in this game. Narratively speaking, it always made sense to me that link would mark the map like this for the player because they LIVE in Hyrule and would know how to get around, famous landmarks, etc. Whereas in Zelda1 there wasnt any indication Link LIVED in Hyrule, i think people just assumed he did bc he starts the game there (and honestly dont think the devs gave that any thought) so a big gray blob for a map, tho probs just a technical limitation, made sense to me as a kid. (This was also supported in my child brain because i was watching the american zelda cartoon at the same time, which established that link was indeed hired from another land and was not native to Hyrule)
It's funny looking back at all the backlash to Wind Waker's cel shading and people demanding Zelda games need to look gritty and "realistic," because it seems a lot of people forget -- visually, A Link to the Past was sort of the Wind Waker of its era. Sprites are bouncy and overly-animated, colors are bright, etc. Just really *look* at the trees in this game, and you'd think they came from The Minish Cap or something.
I know next to nothing about the timeline, but I just figured the English subtitle “A Link to the Past” was in reference to this game going back to the original format set by the first. I also do really appreciate almost every entry being referred to solely by its subtitle; gives them a greater sense of identity I guess. A certain game might not be so much about Zelda herself (she’s not even in some of them) and so it’s characterized by its more unique elements, such as the often titular core item/gimmick involved in that specific game’s narrative. But now we have people saying “Breath of the Wild: Tears of the Kingdom” which has quickly become a pet peeve of mine. IT’S “SHOULD’VE,” NOT “SHOULD OF.” THE PLURAL FORM OF “AMIIBO” IS STILL “AMIIBO.” AND TEARS OF THE KINGDOM IS NOT A SUBTITLE TO BREATH OF THE WILD
I feel like I'm pretty ontop of these decomp projects, they're probably my favorite thing in the gaming community, so I'm kinda shocked I didn't already know about the ALttP one. Absolutely gonna keep an eye on that, and maybe give this game another shot at some point.
People often say that zelda 1 gave you no help, didn't tell you anything about the items, and isn't approachable nowadays. But that's not at all true. In addition to having a beautiful full colored instruction manual that details all the items and enemies, it also came with a big strategy guide and a partial world map that shows the location of the first 3 or 4 dungeons plus some overworld secrets, and blank spaces for you to fill in if you choose. ya gotta keep perspective on old games. It's not fair to say it's too cryptic because you are playing it in modern times and you don't wanna look up the manual
Babe wake up! Pariah uploaded another zelda vid! In all seriousness, I cannot wait until you get to Ocarina of Time, it might even warrant a gameplay AND story video since the story got really intricate.
Man, that thing about there being too many Rupees in the game is something that drives me crazy in pretty much every Zelda game after the first one. It's a challenge for me to *not* constantly have a full wallet, and I'll intentionally buy miscellaneous crap I don't need just so my wallet *isn't* constantly packed to the brim. It gets especially annoying in Twilight Princess, where the game won't even let you pick up any Rupee worth more than five if you can't fit it in your wallet. Every Zelda game should max your Rupee count at 9999. Ocarina and Majora only go up to 500, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess 1000, and that's *after* getting both wallet upgrades.
I'm wondering if the overabundance of Rupees has something to do with your skill level? I'm not terrible at the game but I'm not exactly an expert either and I ended up using rupees a lot to buy potions, and found myself running out a lot
They actually did mention the timeline stuff well before they ever released it publicly I'm assuming they came up with the split in the development of Twilight Princess to explain why that game... exists, as it's the third game in a row to be a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time, and the events portrayed in that game conflict with the history established in Wind Waker
24:30 Subtitle recognition is not unique to The Legend of Zelda. If the subtitle is unique then people will recognize it. Darktide, Black Ops, Rise, Global Offensive, Skylines all are unique subtitles so they are easy to recognize. Subtitles like Infinite is common enough that you would need bioshock or halo before it.
I suppose that's true. If I say Melee, everyone knows what I'm talking about. Godzilla Destroy All Monsters, of course lol. I guess it just seemed anomalous to me with Zelda because it applies to almost every single game.
Not sure if you would've brought this up later, but even as far back as the first game they wanted the series to have time travel, with the player being the LINK to the past (if you will) and future
To add to the Christian symbolism in early Zelda, there was even a piece of official art for ALttP that showed Link kneeling before a cross. That’s about as explicit as it gets
My opinion is actualy really different with this game being the least good one in comparison to what comes after. I LOVE the other Zelda games, but Link To The Past is the one I always have fun replaying the most and beat the game many times more then any other Zelda game. I know the other Zelda games technically tried building on the stuff this game introduces, but there is something about this game's way of executing it that feels much more fun to pick up and play and charming in its simplicity and visuals.
I've bounced off this game the times I tried it out, it just feels like "that Zelda on SNES" compared to how every other Zelda game has its own gimmicks and unique appeal.
I find it hard to like this game considering the circumstances that made my first playthrough absolute hell. LTTP was one of the last 2D Zelda titles I played, and so the slightly unrefined controls and item quirks aggrivated me to no end. The difficulty and lack of variety in the music tracks (seriously, Dark World Dungeon theme in EIGHT different dungeons, ugh) also did not do the game any favors. The entire time I was playing I questioned how so many people found this game to be one of the best in existence, while I found it to be *genuinely the most frustrating game I've ever played*. I think the answer comes down to when and how often someone has played the game. My love for Oracle of Seasons can be explained this way, as I found the game quite difficulty at first but came to love it as I kept replaying it, with it also being one of the first few (button-controlled) 2D Zelda games I played alongside Link's Awakening and A Link Between Worlds.
@@AnAverageGoblin Ah cool another person who's played the game so many times they forgot how hard the first playthrough was. Thanks for shoving your mastery of the game in my face like that.
@@Trianull or maybe the game is just easy and you may have issues with that one game though, it's not a very hard think to think about it though. Give a try with the reduz version and maybe you may find the game more enjoyable for you.
Miyamoto probably backtracked with this game because of how Zelda 2 was received. He did the same thing many times, making things different just because he doesn't want the series to stagnant. This mentality is very hot and miss. Sometimes we get great things, and sometimes we get bad things.
You know, even tho you said there's little to no reason to come back to this one because the formula was done better later on there's still a reason why people always go back to OoT, WW or Twilight princess, they still have their own stories, styles, music, dungeons, etc, I figured you would like this one a bit more considering how you said you like more arcade-y games. For me this is my favorite 2D Zelda game along with ALBW, I just like the story (the little that there is), the dungeons even if they can get samey they still have their own little story/lore that make me like them for them you know? And dark world is just great, so even if it's basic I still love it, that's pretty much it, and I completely understand why people dont like it as much as the others tho, I mean if I have to put my top 3 favorite Zelda games in order it would be MM, ALBW then ALTTP. Anyways I know I'm a bit late but great vid btw
Not sure what is your thought on First Person Shooter, especially the retro shooters like Doom. I am sure I already got the answer from you but right now I am not sure whether you enjoy them or not. I just thought you could give Doom a shot in your *Was Always Good* series. In case you need a break from Sonic and Zelda. Just saying.
27:00 One reason for getting rid of all these religios/christian elememts lies perhaps in the Tokyo subway sarin attack from 1995. A lot of people died and it is seen as one of the most dreadful examples of Terrorisms in modern Japan. Since it was an occultist group who planned this attack, spirituality and religion had not the greatest image in the years following 1995.
The only Zelda games where the timeline somewhat matters (as in, events from one game are meaningfully referenced in the other) are: Adventure of Link (direct sequel to Hyrule fantasy) Ocarina of time (prequel to Link to the past until ww fucked up the timeline) Majora's mask (direct sequel to ocarina of time) The oracle games (direct sequel/prequel to each other) Wind waker (the new sequel to ocarina of time) Four sword adventure (sequel to four sword) Minish cap (prequel to four sword) Twilight princess (sequel to oot/mm) Phantom hourglass (direct sequel to wind waker) Spirit tracks (sequel to phantom hourglass) Skyward sword (prequel to ocarina of time) Link between worlds (sequel to Link to the past) This may seem like a lot, but I don't think it's enough to justify having all games in a single branching timeline
Agreed with the plain jane stuff. This game never appealed to me since it doesn't have interesting puzzles or story. The bosses are very hit or miss too. Some are interesting, but others, like Blind, just involve running around and hitting him a bunch. Even the dark world gimmick is barely used. It just feels like it's supposed to surprise you like "omg there's more game!" but did anyone really expect this to only have three dungeons?
About the last part. What if I say the lack of religious elements is favouritism to atheism, and as a Christian I feel offended at their removal? You're inevitably always going to give favouritism to something and offend someone no matter which side you take on any issue. Best you can do is give it to the objectively better moral side.
I can see where you're coming from there. But another factor in Zelda's case is that they came up with their own religion and deities in future games. Which I think is more appropriate for a fantasy setting such as this. The Triforce don't exactly fit with the bible. Also, there is no objectively better moral side. I feel I may regret responding to this. But we'll see what happens.
@@Pariah6950 while i know that this is completely un related to the topic of this video and this comment , there is some thing i would like to tell you about which you could benefit from in case you made story videos regarding zelda , which has to do with the time line , so if you played any of the zelda games , some thing that you're going to notice if you pay attention to manuals and game play visuals , is that every time a new link appear , that link will eventually be featured in a direct sequel to that game he was specifically introduced in , along with game going backwards in hyrule's history , making that game a prequel to the series itself , we have zelda 1 which has a direct sequel to it zelda 2 which star the same link , than we have a link to past that was confirmed decades later as being a prequel to the first two games and introduced a new link who appear later in a direct sequel to it , named link awakening , some thing that even at the time of link awakening's 1993 release can be confirmed if you pay attention to the final boss who changes him self depanding on link's thoughts , as he changes to look like aghanim who is a character from a link to the past , than we also have ocarina of time which according to a japanese inter view is a retelling of a link to past's plot point regarding the imprisoning war , making a prequel to the entire series as it predates the previous prequel in terms of plot , along with a new link and with a direct sequel named as majora's mask which feature that same link , even though there was oracle of ages and oracle of seasons which are games released for game boy color in same year of ocarina and were confirmed decades later to feature the same link from a link to past , this tradition of going always backwards in hyrule's history after each time two games with same link release , was broken to a high degree with wind waker since it happens decades after ocarina of time , which can be confusing since ocarina of time had before that two sequels , both a direct one and an other one that a link to past , and it can be even more confusing when you bear in my mind that ganon return in wind waker despite being killed in a link to past in the dark world , which is basically the sacred realm he was sealed in at the end ocarina of time but corrupted , making not fitting for wind waker to be after a link to past , but it worked due to ocarina of time's time line slipt which resulted from sending hero of time link to a past point of time which become a reality of its own , where majora's mask happened leaving wind waker in the original time line , and it could makes since to place a link to past after majora's mask since ganon dorf was discovered and his plans were screwed up , leaving some plot points of a link to past such as a band mastering black arts "possibly ganon dorf and his followers of his clan" entering the golden land "sacred realm' s name from that game" , the king demand of seven sages to seal the gate of the land , and the darkness sprouting from the golden land and transforming those with greed into monsters causing the imprisoning war to be possible , but than we have twilight princess which according to a japanese inter view happen decades after ocarina of time and later on confirmed to be after majora's mask , which makes no sense since ocarina of time before that had before that three sequels that fit one way or an other after it , and it eventually resulted in this time line problem, it go to show that the reason why this time line debate happened was not just because the nature of zelda's time line which branches from ocarina of time into 3 branches , but due to developers ignoring the lore and story of previous games , any way that's all i wanted to say regarding this time line issue , sorry if this comment is being so long , but i hope you use this information in your story videos , and thank you for making videos regarding zelda , it's so fascinating to hear your thoughts about it
The religious references were removed simply to avoid controversy. This was pre-ESRB and video games were still largely seen as a children's hobby, so Nintendo of America was constantly trying to avoid stepping on any toes. The villain of the game is called a priest in the Japanese version, and there's no way early-90s America, in the middle of the Satanic Panic, would be okay with a "kids game" where the main objective is to kill a priest.
Lol i dont like this game. Never been a fan of the top down Zeldas. I have played them tho. Links Awakening remake is the only one i like but man do i LOVE the remake. Such a cool world and its not confusing and its just such a cute artstyle with a great story and characters and dungeon design
17:03 That's so true. My first Zelda was A Link to the Past, and it made me fall in love with the series, but I can't bring myself to play through it again because I find it boring after all those other games.
I agree, the timeline doesn't mean shit, thet are LEGENDS ABOUT PRINCESSESS CALLED ZELDA, the timeline doesn't exist unless they explicitly state that the stories are interlinked
Except every single goddamn game references events hundreds of years in the past that either directly reference a game that's already out or are eventually expanded on for their own game with the only backstory that has never been elaborated on being the one from Minish Cap so your argument is completely invalid
@Cass&Crew legends can be interlinked as I literally said in the first point, including those ones with events far gone being phantom hourglass and spirit tracks. Those games are interlinked to other "child timeline" games which doesn't counter my point
25:14 This surprised even me, but it's actually the other way around. "The Legend of Zelda" is the subtitle on the original Japanese version of Zelda 1. The game is called "The Hyrule Fantasy: The Legend of Zelda". They just kept the original game's subtitle for the rest of the series for whatever reason.
Feels weird that we could have ended up in the timeline where they didn't do that and the series is known as "The Hyrule Fantasy". Personally, I much prefer what we got, even if the strict association with Zelda makes it seem odd considering how little of a role she plays in so many of the games.
Makes me wonder, if they had gone with the Hyrule Fantasy name then there's a good chance that they wouldn't have kept the same protagonists and antagonist in all the games and would've had a rotating cast in the same setting a la most RPG series. Very odd to think about now
@@miqwerty The Link of each game already borders on being a completely different character from the previous one, so it probably wouldn't be a huge shift beyond more varied designs and names
@@miqwertyto be honest, I already do that in my head. whenever I play a Zelda game I give each hero their own identity and headcanon them as regular people who felt compelled to do the right thing on their own
that whole "spirit of the hero" thing feels so weak to me. like, nah, regular people can't do shit, only the one person who is born the right way can do anything meaningful
Hadn't even thought about the Dark World reflection idea with Ganon/Ganondorf before. That's a fun theory!
Even if I don't rank LTTP among my top favorites, pink-haired Link will always have a special place in my heart. lol
The title change was pretty much solely due to Nintendo of America's strict localization policies at the time. This game came out pre-ESRB, so with no regulations on video game content and thus no real legal defense in the case of controversy, the typical course of action was to simply avoid any content that could at all be considered objectionable -- and in prudish late-80s early-90s America, this included direct references to religion. Which, yes, included the word "god" itself. The title "A Link to the Past" was chosen because the game was a prequel and NoA liked the pun. That's it.
And the title wasn't the only thing that was changed in localization because of this. The very blatant cathedral is referred to as the more neutral term "sanctuary," Agahnim is called a "wizard" instead of a priest, and the Seven Sages are now the "Seven Wise Men" (funny in hindsight because Ocarina would show us that five of them were actually women). It's the same reason Final Fantasy games at the time changed the churches into "clinics" (replacing the cross on the steeple with a heart) and renaming the Holy spell "Pearl."
Regarding the timeline;
Zelda 2 was made as a direct sequel to Zelda 1,
ALTTP was made as a distant prequel to Zelda 1
OOT was made as a direct prequel to ALTTP
MM was made as an immediate sequel to OOT
WW was made as a direct sequel to OOT where Link disappeared (Adult timeline)
TP was made as a direct sequel to OOT as well, where Link remained and Ganondorf was arrested (Child timeline)
SS was explicitly made as an absolute starting point to the franchise
BOTW was explicitly made as an absolute end point to the franchise, with no explicit timeline given
As someone who does care about the continuity and timeline, it actually all holds together decently well. If you do pay attention to the story, there is a fairly consistent narrative thread holding it all together. While there are definitely smaller inconsistencies, the major narrative threads tend to be consistent; especially if you go by the Japanese original texts. Even side games tend to be managed this way:
Link's Awakening is an immediate sequel to ALTTP
Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass are direct sequels to WInd Waker
It kinda sucks that the Zelda timeline is given such an awful reputation, which I attribute to the kinds of people trying to argue minor landmarks shared between two games contradict the official timeline or whatever. The main games are honestly pretty consistent with each other, but even I will admit once you start trying to include shit like Triforce Heroes and Four Swords (GBA) its pretty hard to justify some continuity errors. Also the whole 'Downfall Timeline' is slightly contrived
I do just want to point out that there is far more intent and direction behind the timeline than people give it credit for. I wouldn't put it anywhere near Sega's blatant lack of care for continuity with the Sonic franchise. Here's an interview from Aonuma in 2007 himself identifying the difference between the Child and Adult timelines in reference to Twilight Princess! www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Interview:Nintendo_Dream_February_2007
obviously if you're still not interested in the timelines, continuity, and rationalizing little inconsistencies, that's totally fine, the games are still wonderful as standalone experiences :D
Took the words right out of my mouth. It’s so frustrating when people act like they’re above the lore in these games. There’s plenty going on to talk about and it’s not just all forced.
Finally someone who speaks the truth. the timeline does in fact make sense, and of course smaller details aren't going to add up because 90% of the series wasn't strictly made with a timeline in mind. Fantastic comment.
For me it's also a matter of how the timeline doesn't actually matter for the events of most of the stories. How does TP taking place in the same timeline as Majora's Mask make the story better? It doesn't. It has no impact on the game's story. The Hero's Spirit is the old Link... And? Things like that don't actually impact the individual game stories in meaningful ways.
@@Pariah6950 Ganondorf being executed for thoughtcrime rather than killed by Link in the future actually ties directly into TP's plot in a really cool way, and at the very least it heavily informs his design in that game
I was really surprised on my first replay since release how clearly they actually stress that connection on screen- I had let all the fan squabbling over the timelines not making sense and being made up after the fact trick me into thinking this stuff never came up in the games at all
@@Pariah6950 You picked the worst example for that lmao. TP and OoT, and, by extension, MM, are very tightly linked. But in general you are correct.
The times when you decide to post confuse me.
Oh boi, 3 in the morning!
It was 6am over here and I'm just now getting to it despite being up for a while.
Yeah, fuck Europeans
I honestly love that. Getting a video way sooner than I expected or even waking up to one is pretty exciting.
I like the design of the Money in Zelda much more than the design of the rupees in Sonic
10:05 counterpoint: while gameplay-wise, map-marking handholds and takes away the spirit of zelda1's blind adventuring, we are also given a storyline in this game. Narratively speaking, it always made sense to me that link would mark the map like this for the player because they LIVE in Hyrule and would know how to get around, famous landmarks, etc. Whereas in Zelda1 there wasnt any indication Link LIVED in Hyrule, i think people just assumed he did bc he starts the game there (and honestly dont think the devs gave that any thought) so a big gray blob for a map, tho probs just a technical limitation, made sense to me as a kid. (This was also supported in my child brain because i was watching the american zelda cartoon at the same time, which established that link was indeed hired from another land and was not native to Hyrule)
How'd he have the dark world mapped out
It's funny looking back at all the backlash to Wind Waker's cel shading and people demanding Zelda games need to look gritty and "realistic," because it seems a lot of people forget -- visually, A Link to the Past was sort of the Wind Waker of its era. Sprites are bouncy and overly-animated, colors are bright, etc. Just really *look* at the trees in this game, and you'd think they came from The Minish Cap or something.
I know next to nothing about the timeline, but I just figured the English subtitle “A Link to the Past” was in reference to this game going back to the original format set by the first. I also do really appreciate almost every entry being referred to solely by its subtitle; gives them a greater sense of identity I guess. A certain game might not be so much about Zelda herself (she’s not even in some of them) and so it’s characterized by its more unique elements, such as the often titular core item/gimmick involved in that specific game’s narrative. But now we have people saying “Breath of the Wild: Tears of the Kingdom” which has quickly become a pet peeve of mine. IT’S “SHOULD’VE,” NOT “SHOULD OF.” THE PLURAL FORM OF “AMIIBO” IS STILL “AMIIBO.” AND TEARS OF THE KINGDOM IS NOT A SUBTITLE TO BREATH OF THE WILD
This is truly one of my top 3 favorites Zelda games
I feel like I'm pretty ontop of these decomp projects, they're probably my favorite thing in the gaming community, so I'm kinda shocked I didn't already know about the ALttP one. Absolutely gonna keep an eye on that, and maybe give this game another shot at some point.
People often say that zelda 1 gave you no help, didn't tell you anything about the items, and isn't approachable nowadays. But that's not at all true. In addition to having a beautiful full colored instruction manual that details all the items and enemies, it also came with a big strategy guide and a partial world map that shows the location of the first 3 or 4 dungeons plus some overworld secrets, and blank spaces for you to fill in if you choose. ya gotta keep perspective on old games. It's not fair to say it's too cryptic because you are playing it in modern times and you don't wanna look up the manual
I love how Pariah keeps using the made-up word "irrelevantize" instead of something sensible like "render obsolete". XD
Is that not a word? Well if so, if it's a thing I can say and you know what I mean, it's a word. That's how words are made.
I can’t wait for him to talk about the spin-offs and oddities
Babe wake up! Pariah uploaded another zelda vid!
In all seriousness, I cannot wait until you get to Ocarina of Time, it might even warrant a gameplay AND story video since the story got really intricate.
Man, that thing about there being too many Rupees in the game is something that drives me crazy in pretty much every Zelda game after the first one. It's a challenge for me to *not* constantly have a full wallet, and I'll intentionally buy miscellaneous crap I don't need just so my wallet *isn't* constantly packed to the brim. It gets especially annoying in Twilight Princess, where the game won't even let you pick up any Rupee worth more than five if you can't fit it in your wallet.
Every Zelda game should max your Rupee count at 9999. Ocarina and Majora only go up to 500, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess 1000, and that's *after* getting both wallet upgrades.
I'm wondering if the overabundance of Rupees has something to do with your skill level? I'm not terrible at the game but I'm not exactly an expert either and I ended up using rupees a lot to buy potions, and found myself running out a lot
Skill Issue (Beneficial)
This game is pretty goated, I’m not going to lie. My favourite 2D Zelda is Minish cap however and would like to see you make a video on it
They actually did mention the timeline stuff well before they ever released it publicly
I'm assuming they came up with the split in the development of Twilight Princess to explain why that game... exists, as it's the third game in a row to be a direct sequel to Ocarina of Time, and the events portrayed in that game conflict with the history established in Wind Waker
24:30 Subtitle recognition is not unique to The Legend of Zelda. If the subtitle is unique then people will recognize it. Darktide, Black Ops, Rise, Global Offensive, Skylines all are unique subtitles so they are easy to recognize. Subtitles like Infinite is common enough that you would need bioshock or halo before it.
I suppose that's true. If I say Melee, everyone knows what I'm talking about. Godzilla Destroy All Monsters, of course lol. I guess it just seemed anomalous to me with Zelda because it applies to almost every single game.
@@Pariah6950 I think Link to the past took inspiration from Blaster Master in the dungeon department
Not sure if you would've brought this up later, but even as far back as the first game they wanted the series to have time travel, with the player being the LINK to the past (if you will) and future
To add to the Christian symbolism in early Zelda, there was even a piece of official art for ALttP that showed Link kneeling before a cross. That’s about as explicit as it gets
My opinion is actualy really different with this game being the least good one in comparison to what comes after. I LOVE the other Zelda games, but Link To The Past is the one I always have fun replaying the most and beat the game many times more then any other Zelda game. I know the other Zelda games technically tried building on the stuff this game introduces, but there is something about this game's way of executing it that feels much more fun to pick up and play and charming in its simplicity and visuals.
I've bounced off this game the times I tried it out, it just feels like "that Zelda on SNES" compared to how every other Zelda game has its own gimmicks and unique appeal.
I find it hard to like this game considering the circumstances that made my first playthrough absolute hell. LTTP was one of the last 2D Zelda titles I played, and so the slightly unrefined controls and item quirks aggrivated me to no end. The difficulty and lack of variety in the music tracks (seriously, Dark World Dungeon theme in EIGHT different dungeons, ugh) also did not do the game any favors. The entire time I was playing I questioned how so many people found this game to be one of the best in existence, while I found it to be *genuinely the most frustrating game I've ever played*.
I think the answer comes down to when and how often someone has played the game. My love for Oracle of Seasons can be explained this way, as I found the game quite difficulty at first but came to love it as I kept replaying it, with it also being one of the first few (button-controlled) 2D Zelda games I played alongside Link's Awakening and A Link Between Worlds.
I literally have no idea how someone could get frustrated at one of the easiest zelda games.
@@AnAverageGoblin Ah cool another person who's played the game so many times they forgot how hard the first playthrough was. Thanks for shoving your mastery of the game in my face like that.
@@Trianull or maybe the game is just easy and you may have issues with that one game though, it's not a very hard think to think about it though.
Give a try with the reduz version and maybe you may find the game more enjoyable for you.
@@Giffsen "The game is actually good you just have to change it!" is not a very good argument...
@@AnAverageGoblin Nah, alttp is a tough game lol, and I've played plenty of them, including 2D Zelda
Miyamoto probably backtracked with this game because of how Zelda 2 was received. He did the same thing many times, making things different just because he doesn't want the series to stagnant. This mentality is very hot and miss. Sometimes we get great things, and sometimes we get bad things.
If I recall correctly, I think Miyamoto has even gone so far as to say that Zelda 2 is the only game he regrets making.
@@GamingintheAM0801 was this statement made before or after Star Fox Zero? Haha
You know, even tho you said there's little to no reason to come back to this one because the formula was done better later on there's still a reason why people always go back to OoT, WW or Twilight princess, they still have their own stories, styles, music, dungeons, etc, I figured you would like this one a bit more considering how you said you like more arcade-y games.
For me this is my favorite 2D Zelda game along with ALBW, I just like the story (the little that there is), the dungeons even if they can get samey they still have their own little story/lore that make me like them for them you know? And dark world is just great, so even if it's basic I still love it, that's pretty much it, and I completely understand why people dont like it as much as the others tho, I mean if I have to put my top 3 favorite Zelda games in order it would be MM, ALBW then ALTTP. Anyways I know I'm a bit late but great vid btw
Im having trouble setting it up on my emulator its actduck "video game" (android exclusive)
Not sure what is your thought on First Person Shooter, especially the retro shooters like Doom. I am sure I already got the answer from you but right now I am not sure whether you enjoy them or not. I just thought you could give Doom a shot in your *Was Always Good* series. In case you need a break from Sonic and Zelda. Just saying.
27:00 One reason for getting rid of all these religios/christian elememts lies perhaps in the Tokyo subway sarin attack from 1995. A lot of people died and it is seen as one of the most dreadful examples of Terrorisms in modern Japan. Since it was an occultist group who planned this attack, spirituality and religion had not the greatest image in the years following 1995.
A Link to the Past came out in 1991.
Well I guess the christian themes the rest of the series would have had were all funneled into Isaac
What's your opinion on make a Megaman/Megaman X video?
great vid
What happened to the sonic reviews
Still happening. Just been wanting to play other stuff for now.
@@Pariah6950 Thanks for the reply
The only Zelda games where the timeline somewhat matters (as in, events from one game are meaningfully referenced in the other) are:
Adventure of Link (direct sequel to Hyrule fantasy)
Ocarina of time (prequel to Link to the past until ww fucked up the timeline)
Majora's mask (direct sequel to ocarina of time)
The oracle games (direct sequel/prequel to each other)
Wind waker (the new sequel to ocarina of time)
Four sword adventure (sequel to four sword)
Minish cap (prequel to four sword)
Twilight princess (sequel to oot/mm)
Phantom hourglass (direct sequel to wind waker)
Spirit tracks (sequel to phantom hourglass)
Skyward sword (prequel to ocarina of time)
Link between worlds (sequel to Link to the past)
This may seem like a lot, but I don't think it's enough to justify having all games in a single branching timeline
Beat me to it
So are you gonna make a pizza tower video
I'd like to eventually.
"Vinny are you aware pizza tower"
Agreed with the plain jane stuff. This game never appealed to me since it doesn't have interesting puzzles or story. The bosses are very hit or miss too. Some are interesting, but others, like Blind, just involve running around and hitting him a bunch. Even the dark world gimmick is barely used. It just feels like it's supposed to surprise you like "omg there's more game!" but did anyone really expect this to only have three dungeons?
About the last part. What if I say the lack of religious elements is favouritism to atheism, and as a Christian I feel offended at their removal?
You're inevitably always going to give favouritism to something and offend someone no matter which side you take on any issue. Best you can do is give it to the objectively better moral side.
I can see where you're coming from there. But another factor in Zelda's case is that they came up with their own religion and deities in future games. Which I think is more appropriate for a fantasy setting such as this. The Triforce don't exactly fit with the bible.
Also, there is no objectively better moral side.
I feel I may regret responding to this. But we'll see what happens.
@@Pariah6950 Nah, you're good. I've said my piece and appreciate the response but I don't really feel like getting into this either.
@@Pariah6950 while i know that this is completely un related to the topic of this video and this comment , there is some thing i would like to tell you about which you could benefit from in case you made story videos regarding zelda , which has to do with the time line , so if you played any of the zelda games , some thing that you're going to notice if you pay attention to manuals and game play visuals , is that every time a new link appear , that link will eventually be featured in a direct sequel to that game he was specifically introduced in , along with game going backwards in hyrule's history , making that game a prequel to the series itself , we have zelda 1 which has a direct sequel to it zelda 2 which star the same link , than we have a link to past that was confirmed decades later as being a prequel to the first two games and introduced a new link who appear later in a direct sequel to it , named link awakening , some thing that even at the time of link awakening's 1993 release can be confirmed if you pay attention to the final boss who changes him self depanding on link's thoughts , as he changes to look like aghanim who is a character from a link to the past , than we also have ocarina of time which according to a japanese inter view is a retelling of a link to past's plot point regarding the imprisoning war , making a prequel to the entire series as it predates the previous prequel in terms of plot , along with a new link and with a direct sequel named as majora's mask which feature that same link , even though there was oracle of ages and oracle of seasons which are games released for game boy color in same year of ocarina and were confirmed decades later to feature the same link from a link to past , this tradition of going always backwards in hyrule's history after each time two games with same link release , was broken to a high degree with wind waker since it happens decades after ocarina of time , which can be confusing since ocarina of time had before that two sequels , both a direct one and an other one that a link to past , and it can be even more confusing when you bear in my mind that ganon return in wind waker despite being killed in a link to past in the dark world , which is basically the sacred realm he was sealed in at the end ocarina of time but corrupted , making not fitting for wind waker to be after a link to past , but it worked due to ocarina of time's time line slipt which resulted from sending hero of time link to a past point of time which become a reality of its own , where majora's mask happened leaving wind waker in the original time line , and it could makes since to place a link to past after majora's mask since ganon dorf was discovered and his plans were screwed up , leaving some plot points of a link to past such as a band mastering black arts "possibly ganon dorf and his followers of his clan" entering the golden land "sacred realm' s name from that game" , the king demand of seven sages to seal the gate of the land , and the darkness sprouting from the golden land and transforming those with greed into monsters causing the imprisoning war to be possible , but than we have twilight princess which according to a japanese inter view happen decades after ocarina of time and later on confirmed to be after majora's mask , which makes no sense since ocarina of time before that had before that three sequels that fit one way or an other after it , and it eventually resulted in this time line problem, it go to show that the reason why this time line debate happened was not just because the nature of zelda's time line which branches from ocarina of time into 3 branches , but due to developers ignoring the lore and story of previous games , any way that's all i wanted to say regarding this time line issue , sorry if this comment is being so long , but i hope you use this information in your story videos , and thank you for making videos regarding zelda , it's so fascinating to hear your thoughts about it
Nah, the pure Christians will just get mad because there’s too much magic in the game. Best for Nintendo to keep their distance.
The religious references were removed simply to avoid controversy. This was pre-ESRB and video games were still largely seen as a children's hobby, so Nintendo of America was constantly trying to avoid stepping on any toes. The villain of the game is called a priest in the Japanese version, and there's no way early-90s America, in the middle of the Satanic Panic, would be okay with a "kids game" where the main objective is to kill a priest.
I like your funny words, Pariah Man
Please play tunic if you haven't
Lol i dont like this game. Never been a fan of the top down Zeldas. I have played them tho. Links Awakening remake is the only one i like but man do i LOVE the remake. Such a cool world and its not confusing and its just such a cute artstyle with a great story and characters and dungeon design
27:38 We need to hear this more
17:03 That's so true. My first Zelda was A Link to the Past, and it made me fall in love with the series, but I can't bring myself to play through it again because I find it boring after all those other games.
Ok
I never beat this game it got confusing at the points eith the dark world and i just didn't like it as much as the nes Zelda games
I agree, the timeline doesn't mean shit, thet are LEGENDS ABOUT PRINCESSESS CALLED ZELDA, the timeline doesn't exist unless they explicitly state that the stories are interlinked
Except every single goddamn game references events hundreds of years in the past that either directly reference a game that's already out or are eventually expanded on for their own game with the only backstory that has never been elaborated on being the one from Minish Cap so your argument is completely invalid
@Cass&Crew legends can be interlinked as I literally said in the first point, including those ones with events far gone being phantom hourglass and spirit tracks. Those games are interlinked to other "child timeline" games which doesn't counter my point
Also they could be legends which exist within those other legends
@@mrhalfsaid1389 yeah but if they are all specifically stated to be interlinked then guess what.
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Overrated, ocarina of time is the pinnacle of Zelda, link to the past is the Sesame Street version of Zelda for toddlers.
Nice opinion bro, who gave it to you, your *mommy*!?