Learn how to form a video and maybe you wouldn't get your ass torn apart in the comments. You can literally see the doors in your intro. Not to mention all of us carrier vets don't need to watch to know how wrong you are.
I served aboard the Kennedy for 4 years. The hanger had doors at all the elevators. They were closed during general quarters and while at sea during rough conditions.
I was on the USS Ranger CV-61, for 3 years. If those weren't hanger doors, THEN, they were side doors by the aircraft elevators, you know the big sliding door, with the bell that rang when they open and closed. We had 3 big elevators with sliding doors, or maybe those were windows.
I know, I lived in a carrier for 4 years. The hanger bay doors are closed at night for darken ship and during rough weather. You cannot have light leakage at night.
You can literally see the non-existent hanger bay doors in the video. Aircraft Carriers have doors that close the elevators off from the hanger bays, and doors that separate the hanger bays into sections.
Of course there are hanger doors in the carrier. They are sliding doors (you can see the doors at the side in the video). The doors are opened during daytime and closed at night (or during rough weather). It is required for darken ship, or else the lights in the hanger can be seen by the enemy.
@@DaveLee-jm7ii For darken ship, the white lights are turned off and red lights are turned on instead. This is true for all berthing areas and spaces that could open to outside of the ship.
@@AT2Productions That only applies to bridge area where there are windows. In hanger bay, the lights are fully on during evening time (with the hanger bay doors closed) and darken (partial lights on) during day crew sleeping time. Same goes for the sleeping area, the ceiling lights are turned off during sleeping time for day and night shift (roughly around 9-10am for night crew and 9-10pm for day crew). The purpose of lights off in sleeping areas are not for darken ship, it is for sleeping. In the triple-deck coffin rack, each bunk has a reading light, sailor can turn on during sleeping hours. I am an ex-Navy, I've lived in an carrier for four years. Did two med cruises, full Desert Shield and Storm operations.
@ I was on the Kitty Hawk and the Stennis between 2002 and 2008, berthing lights were never completely off and hanger bay lights were red between dusk and dawn with elevator doors open.
@@AT2Productions 3 yrs on the Coral Sea, 1 yr on Iwo Jima, 1987-1991. Kitty Hawk pier next to us many times in Norfolk. Both Coral Sea and Iwo Jima close the hanger bay door during night time. They are doing a lot of maintenance and repair to the planes in the hanger bay, it will be difficult to see if you turn off all the lights. Maybe you guys have a shorter working hours.
@jayjaySTAR718 I was lucky enough to be on a tour of the CVN-76 whilst she was in Brisbane Australia some years .I was very impressed & very fortunate, I will never forget on board memorial to Ronald Reagan. I believe she lost a couple of F-18s in night training off Queensland .
I can see why some would miss being a part of such a close knit and important team of warriors. A carrier is an organism of immense complexity. Everyone aboard has a job and does it to their utmost ability. I can understand why you would remember that period of your life with pride and longing. Especially because of the other members of the crew that you never see again. What have you done since that was more demanding or honorable, except maybe being a good parent? Thanks for defending my freedom, I use it everyday.
someone fell off a carrier we were following over to Nam in the old days. The carrier did not stop, but gave us the option of stopping to look if we wanted. It was night and we all got up with battle lanterns to look off our destroyer. It was night time and we spotted him after about half hour. lol He was lucky, lucky, lucky!
@@markenda1 I served on four Carriers, and deployed numerous times. I find it crazy the number of times we had "Man Overboard"s that were real. Crew members that usually end up overboard either; Fall off during maintenance, Blown Off during Flight Operations or Jump to commit suicide over mental problems brought on by relationship problems at home or on board ship by their shipmates bullying them because they are soft sensitive mentally or poor performers and can't stand the pressure of work. When I was aboard carriers the only contact for most enlisted was mail only. If you were Enlisted Air Crew occasionally they could use the HF (Short Wave) Radio on the aircraft to patch a phone call home. All crew members however when they pull into port could use the phone to call home. Some of us would buy video machines and family would make videos and mail them to the ship for special days. A lot of us who were friends with each others family's would gather up all the video tapes and play them for our shipmates in the Berthing or Work Shops. Life aboard Aircraft Carriers was busy and loved ones lonely at times, but it definitely had it's moments.
I'm not sure where you get your information but there ARE hangar door on all aircraft elevator lifts ( 4 ). There are also interior hangar doors splitting the lower hangar into 2 separate spaces for fire containment and damage control. Better check your facts.
Not only was this guy completely wrong, but this could’ve been answered and wrapped up in 2 minutes even WITH an introduction and general information. But it drones on for 18:31!
This person doesn't know what they're talking about, carriers do have hanger doors. They're typically closed during bad weather or General Quarters. In addition, when our helicopter squadron went to sea with the USS Independence (Aircraft Carrier), the Captain often closed the hanger doors and turned off the lights at night in the hanger, we had to do maintenance using flashlights, which I hated. He wanted to simulate battle conditions.
Steel thick doors designed to restrict the spread of fire, has been present on US aircraft carriers since WWII, also nowadays the ships needed to be airtight(if possible) due to chemical attack.
11:21 - USS Franklin was not lost. The crew put out the fires, and she was underway to Ulithi for temp repairs, then Pearl, and finally to the B.N.Y. for repairs.
I was a Marine Corps grunt and was aboard the U.S.S. New Orleans, LPH-11, and it had hanger bay doors. The only times I saw the doors closed were during high seas during severe storms and general quarters. As someone else mentioned, I could see the hanger doors in almost all the photos and videos.🤔
I was in E 2/4 31st MEU(SOC) for the last deployment of the New Orleans down to Austrailia for Tandem Thrust '97. We took a rouge wave and nearly lost the ship. If they hadn't had the doors closed they would have lost a lot of gear.
The USS Bonhomme Richard was NOT lost due to the lack of an armored deck. It was lost because it was largely UNMANNED at the time of the fire. Sprinklers and other fire suppression systems were disabled/unavailable in some cases due to the ship being in a maintenance cycle, with the situation made worse by no crew being around to reactivate them.
Me also, I served in 3 carriers and all had doors that close from left or right..and you will know when they are activated to close or open, THEY ARE LOUD,!
The Bonhomme Richard burned because of failures in fire prevention & maintenance procedures, such as all the fire extinguishing systems being disabled, portable fire bottles all being emptied. Everything needed to put a fire out was not available, or disabled. Hangar doors would have been disabled too if it had any.
My air wing accomplished deployments on CV 65 Enterprise and CV66 America. All carriers including the aforementioned have elevator doors as well as doors in the middle of the hanger bay for compartmentalization to minimize battle damage during general quarters.
UH... the U.S.S. Franklin WASN'T lost, they put out the fires and sailed all the way back to New York. Granted her usefulness was compromised but still. Not to mention the Bonhmme Richard was NOT an America class ship, she was a Wasp class amphibious assault ship. Geez.
It actually shows them in this video. Several times. Not only does hangar deck have massive doors for the elevators but 2 partition doors to separate bays.
In 1968 we were in port at Pearl (home port). I was sitting in bar drinking and ran into high school friend. He was on the Bonny Dick CV-31 . Drunk as skunks at 3AM I'm getting a tour of that carrier. Biggest GD thing I ever saw. Made me appreciate how simple it was to get around in submarine. They had just returned from Yankee Station off North Viet Nam.
I did 3 MEUs 00-01 on the LHA 4 Nassau 22nd MEU, 03 on the LHD 7 Iwo Jima 26th MEU, and 06 on the Iwo again 24th MEU all with the BLT. The berthing was a lot better on the LHDs(coffin racks) then the original LHAs(stacked 4 high and 16 in a cubicle). That and the LHDs took LCACs instead of LCUs.
Also, the fire on the BR was not due to anything about the hanger deck, it was in the middle of repairs when the fire broke out. This video has some interesting video but has waaaay too many mistakes for me to want to watch more.
@@Perktube1 I was a PN in VF-161 and VAW-115. Nothing heroic. I was just a sailor. The chow line started in the hangar bay so everyone gets plenty of looks at the hangar bay view.
All carriers have doors on the elevators. They are heavy doors closed during emergency situations such as fire or collision at sea. I served on the Lexington CVT-16 and USS Saratoga CV-60.
The Battle of Midway confirmed the disaster when you provide a sealed environment to an explosive. A single bomb by Lt. Cdr. Richard Best destroyed the Akagi.
In fairness, wasn't the Akagi in the middle of switching out ammunition and refueling planes, thus making the hanger deck that much more of a powder keg? Not downplaying what Dick Best accomplished, at all.
Light discipline is an important aspect of warship operation. White light is necessary for some aircraft maintenance operations. Red lights (or the newer blue lights) help preserve night vision. Low tech navies and drones can home in on lights whether they're red, white or blue. Fight ops require lighting--even if it's IR for night vision goggles. I was on the USS Tripoli/LPH-10 from November 1977 to August 1978 as a Marine avionics tech assigned to the AIMD in support of HMM-262. The hangar deck was red light during hours of darkness to preserve night vision. There were light lockers (double doors to black-painted rooms) for hatches leading to the catwalks and other exterior access points. I was able to observe night flight ops once and the flight deck was lit up with red lights--they could have used white floods but didn't. My avionics shop was lit 24/7 with white lights--just try reading color codes under red light! Hangar doors assist in light discipline, whether that's preserving night vision or pretending to be invisible. Passing a cruise ship off on the horizon showed me the difference.
I remember all of the times I would get to leave CIC and walk the hangar deck. Just getting fresh air at one of the waist openings. There were Smokers or boxing matches in the hangar bay. We had several bands on the ship. I bought my first guitar onboard and taught myself how to play. USS Independence CV-62 OPS OI DIV 1984 - 1986
One US Navy complaint about Royal Navy Aircraft carriers was the enclosed nature of British fully armored hanger bay. "The armoured hangar prevented the warming up of a second strike in the hangar due to a lack of vents, thus severely slowing the time between a first and second wave of a strike. "
As I was watching this I was like "wtF is he TALKING about?"!!! He should have explained why and when the doors are left open, and situations that require the doors to be closed? But like these vets have pointed out...IDIOT ALERT LOL
Would love to see more fire protection explainer videos. The way the fire crews moved fascinated me. Like, do they learn to walk with big high steps so they don't get tripped up by things on the ground? Great video! 😎
The early carriers from CV-2 and onward also had doors to keep out inclement weather. They also divided the length of the hangar into two or three bays like the supercarriers.
Served on the Ranger, Kennedy, Kitty Hawk, Vinson and they all had hangar doors. They also have a hangar fire door in the middle of the hangar to stop a fire if the front or back hangar catches on fire. The Hangar Elevator doors were only closed during really rough seas. At time index 2:30 you said "that some hangars decks can have even two or three levels if you can believe that", well I don't. I've been on multiple aircraft carrier hangar decks and all of them only had one level. I've never even hear of a 2 or 3 level hangar deck before. You really need to check your source and ask some folks who've been there and done that before just putting out these crazy stories. Thanks for sharing anyways. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya AT1 USN/USNR-TAR Retired.
Some nations, not the US, used multi-level hangers early on during Naval Aviation. Of all the incorrect information in this video, that was surprisingly not part of the long list of mistakes.
Oh, fer cryin' out loud. Describing the damage to USS Franklin (CV-13) the narrative says at 11:20 the "armored hanger deck was unfortunately not enough to prevent the loss of the ship." I'm sure that if there are survivors of the Franklin still around, they'll be even more surprised than I was to hear about the loss of the ship. USS Franklin did indeed survive the massive damage, explosions and fires and was brought back home where her damage was deemed too extreme to be repaired. But the important thing is that she survived and brought home the remainder of her crew.
I was on the USS Midway from ‘83-‘86 and always wondered why the hangar bay elevators were always open. Now I why. There weren’t any doors! Thanks for schooling me. 👌
The USS Midway has hanger bay doors: ruclips.net/video/774chLDRMTQ/видео.htmlsi=6S5IxFxMbgW0MeiH You can tell this is the Midway because the overhead (ceiling) is lower that new carriers.
Can't speak to newer carriers, however I served on the Kitty Hawk CV 63 and I worked in the hydraulic shop where we were responsible for the maintenance of the aircraft elevators and yes you guessed it the hanger bay doors along with other vital equipment on the ship. There was also a hanger door in the middle of the bay to separate the bay into 2 halfs incase of emergency.
USS Kitty Hawk had doors. More important than that, if you look at the ship at 3:04 in THIS VIDEO, the ship shown (Nimitz class) has the hangar bay doors closed. At 8:43 in this video is a shot from inside the hangar deck and you can see the doors from the inside in the open position. Also at 8:52, on the Lincoln, you can see the doors on the extreme left of the screen, again in the open position.
I served on CV-62 and she definitely had hangar bay doors and elevator doors. During flight ops the elevator doors were usually open. In port they might be closed or open. Depended what port you were in.
A friend of mine was a reactor operator (CVN 71) and also had damage-control duties. Since reactor-spaces were 'special' the only people who could work in those spaces and do preventative maintenance were reactor department personnel. He said that most of his DC duties ended up being cleaning and the greasing of the doors and seals.
One of the main reasons is for ventilation. Look at the history of Japanese aircraft carrier Taihō. During the Battle of the Philippine Sea, it was hit by a torpedo that jammed one of the ships elevators. The captain ordered the elevator planked over to resume flight operations. This trapped fumes from broken fuel lines which spread throughout the ship and resulted in a massive explosion that destroyed the ship.
I'm confused. At 0:07, 0:26, 8:43, 8:46, 8:49, 9:46, 9:49, and 17:15, you can see horizontal sliding doors to the sides of the main aircraft lift elevator. Are the carriers shown older, non nuclear carriers? Also, while I can see the weight and complexity posing risks, couldn't a 'sheet' style door be used, such as is common at grocery stores? They use an array of vertical strips to contain the cold air in refrigerated sections. A carrier could adopt a similar approach that's light, fireproof, simple, and could be quickly detached and pitched overboard if it failed during combat. They could be used to regulate air flow, air gusts, salt spray, and interior temperature better than an open door.
The carrier I was on it was always enjoyable when we had a GQ drill. They would shut the hangar bay doors , the elevator doors, and shut off the ventilation.
There are doors at the elevator openings and the hangar bay is also divided into 3 bays. If there is an explosion in a hanger bay with open doors the blast will be able to vent outside and that will minimize it's potential for creating damage. With the doors closed with the same said explosion the energy will be contained and thus will cause more damage to the ship and sailors onboard. This was a huge problem for the Akagi and Kaga which didn't have open hanger bays and when they were struck with bombs and eventually the ordnance of the airwing cooked off the ships were both severely gutted because the explosions were contained and the energy had no where to go.
I'm perplexed. Rode two aircraft carriers in the Navy, both had doors on all elevators. Hell, even at the beginning of the video when showing the elevator from inside, you can see the doors pocketed to the left.
I saw the name, "Wasp," and it was gone. I couldn't find that segment of film again. It made me sad--again. Thank you for a clear and detailed report on a subject I never thought I would find so interesting.
I was on a "super carrier" & the hanger doors enabled the crews to work on planes without being seen for 20 miles with all the white lights on. When nothing was happening, they'd turn on red lights to reduce being seen and open the doors to make it cooler.
I love the way they said "to protect million dollar aircraft" I'm pretty sure that the wheels alone on a modern fighter cost more than a million dollars alone
There are doors that close off the elevator openings (8:20 in your video). They are hung inside the hanger along the wall. They are segmented and stacked to take up less space. There are also two sets of doors that can close off sections of the hanger bay (primarily to limit fires) (8:25 in your video).
Some carrier hangar decks can have two or three levels? What the hell are you talking about? There are no other levels to put aircraft except the flight deck and hangar deck. The hangar deck is also called the main deck or first deck.
He keeps talking about using hangar doors so I think the headline is wrong. It's not that US carriers do not have hangar doors, they just keep them open unless conditions warrant closing them.
Great post ❤ but the Bismarck was a German battleship. Not a United States aircraft carrier. You are referring the sinking of the uss Yorktown and the hornet . But the hornet was sunk in the battle of midway. Yorktown was sunk in the battle of coral sea
Hornet did not participate in neither the Battle of Midway nor the Battle of Coral Sea, but she did launch Doolittle's bombers of the infamous Doolittle Raid. The Lexington was sunk at the Battle of Coral Sea. An Essex class carrier built later in the war bears the name Lexington, as well. She survived the war, becoming a training ship, well into the 1990s. The USS Yorktown was sunk at the Battle of Midway.
Royal navy had fully armored flight decks during WW2. In the pacific when they were hit by kamikaze aircraft they often would simply sweep the kamikaze debris off the deck into the ocean. Seriously! Often the only damage was a slight dent and some burned marks. Check out the story of the USS ROBIN (HMS VICTORIOUS) an aircraft carrier with British crew loaned to the US NAVY during our darkest hours in the pacific. Not only did its arrival with a US flag and paint job scare the Japanese high command. They couldn't figure out why it was so much more resistant to battle damage that previous US aircraft carriers. It really had them worries the US Navy had a new class of carriers with armored flight decks.
Well, if you keep listening/reading, the article gors on to talk about various hanger doors that arr now used..
I am so confused! Must be the bot voice
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Learn how to form a video and maybe you wouldn't get your ass torn apart in the comments. You can literally see the doors in your intro. Not to mention all of us carrier vets don't need to watch to know how wrong you are.
Midway had hangar doors. I remember them closed during a storm. Maybe the Ranger too.
Yeah. Beginning says how US carriers don't have hangar doors. Near end says how US carriers use hangar doors. 🤨🧐
I served aboard the Kennedy for 4 years. The hanger had doors at all the elevators. They were closed during general quarters and while at sea during rough conditions.
Yup!
I was on the USS Ranger CV-61, for 3 years. If those weren't hanger doors, THEN, they were side doors by the aircraft elevators, you know the big sliding door, with the bell that rang when they open and closed. We had 3 big elevators with sliding doors, or maybe those were windows.
Can confirm!
USS JFK, VF-14 89-92 Good timez :-)
"Look, I'm not saying all Sailors are gay, but how many centuries did they say it was bad luck to have women on board?"
It was sexist.@@Rotorhead1651
That's a LIE! They have doors, They even have ballistic door for the partition of Bay 1 and Bay 2
I served CV-62, CV-64, CV-66 and CVN-70. All had elevator doors.
INDY BOY!! i Served CV-63
I served aboard IKE 1991-1994.
I was on the Carl Vinson CVN-70. We had hangar doors, but kept them open all the time.
@@Richborg44 the Hawk was only closed for rough seas if i recall. but that was 99-02
Only time I seen our HB doors closed on the Vinson was if it was bad weather or they had the white lights on at night during deployment.
How stupid are they? Every carrier has doors on the hangar deck
You can see them on the screen next to the elevator on the inside of the hanger bay.
I know, I lived in a carrier for 4 years. The hanger bay doors are closed at night for darken ship and during rough weather. You cannot have light leakage at night.
You can literally see the non-existent hanger bay doors in the video. Aircraft Carriers have doors that close the elevators off from the hanger bays, and doors that separate the hanger bays into sections.
Of course there are hanger doors in the carrier. They are sliding doors (you can see the doors at the side in the video). The doors are opened during daytime and closed at night (or during rough weather). It is required for darken ship, or else the lights in the hanger can be seen by the enemy.
@@DaveLee-jm7ii For darken ship, the white lights are turned off and red lights are turned on instead. This is true for all berthing areas and spaces that could open to outside of the ship.
@@AT2Productions That only applies to bridge area where there are windows. In hanger bay, the lights are fully on during evening time (with the hanger bay doors closed) and darken (partial lights on) during day crew sleeping time. Same goes for the sleeping area, the ceiling lights are turned off during sleeping time for day and night shift (roughly around 9-10am for night crew and 9-10pm for day crew). The purpose of lights off in sleeping areas are not for darken ship, it is for sleeping. In the triple-deck coffin rack, each bunk has a reading light, sailor can turn on during sleeping hours. I am an ex-Navy, I've lived in an carrier for four years. Did two med cruises, full Desert Shield and Storm operations.
@ I was on the Kitty Hawk and the Stennis between 2002 and 2008, berthing lights were never completely off and hanger bay lights were red between dusk and dawn with elevator doors open.
@@AT2Productions 3 yrs on the Coral Sea, 1 yr on Iwo Jima, 1987-1991. Kitty Hawk pier next to us many times in Norfolk. Both Coral Sea and Iwo Jima close the hanger bay door during night time. They are doing a lot of maintenance and repair to the planes in the hanger bay, it will be difficult to see if you turn off all the lights. Maybe you guys have a shorter working hours.
Yes, the Nimitz class had hangar doors at the elevators. All US supercarriers have them.
AND a huge door mid hangerbay
Delete this one. Not sure who is reading.
this is a dumb question would you NOT!!!! have doors on your bathroom ????
@@kennethhamilton5633there are doors between each of the 3 hanger bays. ( 2 doors )
Essex class, Midway class, Forestall class and above all had doors cross the elevator openings. And fire doors separating the hanger bays.
I was on the Ronald Reagan CVN-76. We had hanger bay doors. I have to admit... I kinda miss those days lol.
@jayjaySTAR718 I was lucky enough to be on a tour of the CVN-76 whilst she was in Brisbane Australia some years .I was very impressed & very fortunate, I will never forget on board memorial to Ronald Reagan. I believe she lost a couple of F-18s in night training off Queensland .
I can see why some would miss being a part of such a close knit and important team of warriors. A carrier is an organism of immense complexity. Everyone aboard has a job and does it to their utmost ability. I can understand why you would remember that period of your life with pride and longing. Especially because of the other members of the crew that you never see again. What have you done since that was more demanding or honorable, except maybe being a good parent? Thanks for defending my freedom, I use it everyday.
I deployed on CV-19 (Hancock) in 75 and CV-43 (Coral Sea) in 77. Every now and then I kind of almost, sort of miss the flight deck.
@lynnkramer1211 what an awesome reply! I couldn’t have said it any better myself. Thank you & it was absolutely an honor!
me too, but, mostly, I miss being 19!
someone fell off a carrier we were following over to Nam in the old days. The carrier did not stop, but gave us the option of stopping to look if we wanted. It was night and we all got up with battle lanterns to look off our destroyer. It was night time and we spotted him after about half hour. lol He was lucky, lucky, lucky!
That was an outright miracle.
That is one of the roles of destroyer screens, although it's usually pilots they are expected to rescue.
@@markenda1 I served on four Carriers, and deployed numerous times. I find it crazy the number of times we had "Man Overboard"s that were real. Crew members that usually end up overboard either; Fall off during maintenance, Blown Off during Flight Operations or Jump to commit suicide over mental problems brought on by relationship problems at home or on board ship by their shipmates bullying them because they are soft sensitive mentally or poor performers and can't stand the pressure of work. When I was aboard carriers the only contact for most enlisted was mail only. If you were Enlisted Air Crew occasionally they could use the HF (Short Wave) Radio on the aircraft to patch a phone call home. All crew members however when they pull into port could use the phone to call home. Some of us would buy video machines and family would make videos and mail them to the ship for special days. A lot of us who were friends with each others family's would gather up all the video tapes and play them for our shipmates in the Berthing or Work Shops. Life aboard Aircraft Carriers was busy and loved ones lonely at times, but it definitely had it's moments.
I'm not sure where you get your information but there ARE hangar door on all aircraft elevator lifts ( 4 ). There are also interior hangar doors splitting the lower hangar into 2 separate spaces for fire containment and damage control. Better check your facts.
Not only was this guy completely wrong, but this could’ve been answered and wrapped up in 2 minutes even WITH an introduction and general information. But it drones on for 18:31!
This person doesn't know what they're talking about, carriers do have hanger doors. They're typically closed during bad weather or General Quarters. In addition, when our helicopter squadron went to sea with the USS Independence (Aircraft Carrier), the Captain often closed the hanger doors and turned off the lights at night in the hanger, we had to do maintenance using flashlights, which I hated. He wanted to simulate battle conditions.
Steel thick doors designed to restrict the spread of fire, has been present on US aircraft carriers since WWII, also nowadays the ships needed to be airtight(if possible) due to chemical attack.
You clearly have never set foot on a Carrier. All the elevators have doors. Generally, they keep them open for ventilation, and close them as needed.
11:21 - USS Franklin was not lost. The crew put out the fires, and she was underway to Ulithi for temp repairs, then Pearl, and finally to the B.N.Y. for repairs.
I was a Marine Corps grunt and was aboard the U.S.S. New Orleans, LPH-11, and it had hanger bay doors. The only times I saw the doors closed were during high seas during severe storms and general quarters. As someone else mentioned, I could see the hanger doors in almost all the photos and videos.🤔
lolol don't believe your eyes, they say.
I was in E 2/4 31st MEU(SOC) for the last deployment of the New Orleans down to Austrailia for Tandem Thrust '97. We took a rouge wave and nearly lost the ship. If they hadn't had the doors closed they would have lost a lot of gear.
Whoever pretends to be editor of this NAVY productions. Would do better by telling us WHY SUBMARINES DON'T HAVE SCREEN DOORS!
Best comment yet! 🤣
Or why the submarines dont have porches and Or screen room? And nursery rooms.
We had screen doors on boats, but the hinges kept squeaking and giving away our location, so we deleted them...
@@subvet694 Didn't that leave you vulnerable to those pesky mosquito boats?
@@michaelleitner1245 No, they can't hold their breath long enough to get down to us.
"It goes without mentioning..." and then goes on to talk about it for two minutes. Who writes this stuff?
The USS Bonhomme Richard was NOT lost due to the lack of an armored deck. It was lost because it was largely UNMANNED at the time of the fire. Sprinklers and other fire suppression systems were disabled/unavailable in some cases due to the ship being in a maintenance cycle, with the situation made worse by no crew being around to reactivate them.
Me also, I served in 3 carriers and all had doors that close from left or right..and you will know when they are activated to close or open, THEY ARE LOUD,!
USS Ranger (CV-61), we had hangar bay doors, but hardly ever closed them.
I remember seeing the Ranger when I was in boot camp 93 San Diego
The Bonhomme Richard burned because of failures in fire prevention & maintenance procedures, such as all the fire extinguishing systems being disabled, portable fire bottles all being emptied. Everything needed to put a fire out was not available, or disabled. Hangar doors would have been disabled too if it had any.
My air wing accomplished deployments on CV 65 Enterprise and CV66 America. All carriers including the aforementioned have elevator doors as well as doors in the middle of the hanger bay for compartmentalization to minimize battle damage during general quarters.
They do have hangar doors it's on the side of every elevator
UH... the U.S.S. Franklin WASN'T lost, they put out the fires and sailed all the way back to New York. Granted her usefulness was compromised but still. Not to mention the Bonhmme Richard was NOT an America class ship, she was a Wasp class amphibious assault ship. Geez.
I served on the USS Kitty Hawk, CV 63. We had doors and in rougher seas, we had to close them, it was serious.
At 0:07 you can see the doors. Just behind the sailors head you see the barber pole stripes at the base of the doors.
lololol who the fck made this video?
@@coodamanChiNa. 😂
Very confusing video. US carriers don't have hanger doors, but actually do have them, except they don't, but they do.
It actually shows them in this video. Several times. Not only does hangar deck have massive doors for the elevators but 2 partition doors to separate bays.
WHAT? The video you show, has the hanger door in the video. 🤦♂️ wow. Great research.
Short version: They have doors.
What I learned is the US does not have hangar doors, but the US does have hangar doors. What???
Bon Hom Richard was a Wasp Class LHD, not America Class LHA. I was stationed on USS Wasp LHD 1 2000-03
In 1968 we were in port at Pearl (home port). I was sitting in bar drinking and ran into high school friend. He was on the Bonny Dick CV-31 . Drunk as skunks at 3AM I'm getting a tour of that carrier. Biggest GD thing I ever saw. Made me appreciate how simple it was to get around in submarine. They had just returned from Yankee Station off North Viet Nam.
I did 3 MEUs 00-01 on the LHA 4 Nassau 22nd MEU, 03 on the LHD 7 Iwo Jima 26th MEU, and 06 on the Iwo again 24th MEU all with the BLT. The berthing was a lot better on the LHDs(coffin racks) then the original LHAs(stacked 4 high and 16 in a cubicle). That and the LHDs took LCACs instead of LCUs.
Also, the fire on the BR was not due to anything about the hanger deck, it was in the middle of repairs when the fire broke out. This video has some interesting video but has waaaay too many mistakes for me to want to watch more.
@@kellyfrench pretty sure the fire broke out in the well deck of the BR also. The hangar deck doors on it wouldn’t have mattered one way or the other.
I served on the USS Midway. Our hangar deck had doors. They were only closed during heavy seas, but we had them.
I did too. What did you do on Midway?
@@Perktube1 I was a PN in VF-161 and VAW-115. Nothing heroic. I was just a sailor. The chow line started in the hangar bay so everyone gets plenty of looks at the hangar bay view.
All carriers have doors on the elevators. They are heavy doors closed during emergency situations such as fire or collision at sea. I served on the Lexington CVT-16 and USS Saratoga CV-60.
The Battle of Midway confirmed the disaster when you provide a sealed environment to an explosive. A single bomb by Lt. Cdr. Richard Best destroyed the Akagi.
In fairness, wasn't the Akagi in the middle of switching out ammunition and refueling planes, thus making the hanger deck that much more of a powder keg?
Not downplaying what Dick Best accomplished, at all.
Light discipline is an important aspect of warship operation. White light is necessary for some aircraft maintenance operations. Red lights (or the newer blue lights) help preserve night vision. Low tech navies and drones can home in on lights whether they're red, white or blue. Fight ops require lighting--even if it's IR for night vision goggles.
I was on the USS Tripoli/LPH-10 from November 1977 to August 1978 as a Marine avionics tech assigned to the AIMD in support of HMM-262. The hangar deck was red light during hours of darkness to preserve night vision. There were light lockers (double doors to black-painted rooms) for hatches leading to the catwalks and other exterior access points. I was able to observe night flight ops once and the flight deck was lit up with red lights--they could have used white floods but didn't. My avionics shop was lit 24/7 with white lights--just try reading color codes under red light!
Hangar doors assist in light discipline, whether that's preserving night vision or pretending to be invisible. Passing a cruise ship off on the horizon showed me the difference.
Intro: "Why don't aircraft carriers don't have doors"
Later in the video: "Here are the non-existent doors opening and closing."
I remember all of the times I would get to leave CIC and walk the hangar deck. Just getting fresh air at one of the waist openings. There were Smokers or boxing matches in the hangar bay. We had several bands on the ship. I bought my first guitar onboard and taught myself how to play. USS Independence CV-62 OPS OI DIV 1984 - 1986
V-3 same time
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I was on CVN-65 and 70 and LOTS of doors.
So they don't have doors, except when they do.
One US Navy complaint about Royal Navy Aircraft carriers was the enclosed nature of British fully armored hanger bay. "The armoured hangar prevented the warming up of a second strike in the hangar due to a lack of vents, thus severely slowing the time between a first and second wave of a strike. "
The carriers you display have hanger bay doors. Look to the right. They all have hanger bay door.
Because all carriers have doors, without them everything in the hangar bay would be caked in rust.
I lived on the USS ENTERPRISE CVAN 65 for years and it did have a hanger door / for & aft !
The reason the Japanese aircraft carriers were so easy to sink was the closed hanger decks which trapped in gas fuel and caused a great fire hazard.
Taiho, for one.
Served on Ranger also we had doors John McVeagh Burbank ILL
As I was watching this I was like "wtF is he TALKING about?"!!! He should have explained why and when the doors are left open, and situations that require the doors to be closed? But like these vets have pointed out...IDIOT ALERT LOL
Short version. Why don't Aircraft Carriers have hangar doors? They do Have Hangar doors.
The next video is called "Why all submarines have screen doors and why they are left open".
@@krashd I’m sure you’re right !
Makes a lot of sense really and I never really thought about it other than air and faster lifting them to the deck
Would love to see more fire protection explainer videos. The way the fire crews moved fascinated me. Like, do they learn to walk with big high steps so they don't get tripped up by things on the ground? Great video! 😎
This is a really good video. Very interesting, important and little talked about aspect of carriers.
When HAL takes over the running of the craft, it won' t be able to lock Dave out. "Open the pod bays door, please, HAL.
The early carriers from CV-2 and onward also had doors to keep out inclement weather. They also divided the length of the hangar into two or three bays like the supercarriers.
Served on the Ranger, Kennedy, Kitty Hawk, Vinson and they all had hangar doors. They also have a hangar fire door in the middle of the hangar to stop a fire if the front or back hangar catches on fire. The Hangar Elevator doors were only closed during really rough seas. At time index 2:30 you said "that some hangars decks can have even two or three levels if you can believe that", well I don't. I've been on multiple aircraft carrier hangar decks and all of them only had one level. I've never even hear of a 2 or 3 level hangar deck before. You really need to check your source and ask some folks who've been there and done that before just putting out these crazy stories. Thanks for sharing anyways. Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya AT1 USN/USNR-TAR Retired.
Some nations, not the US, used multi-level hangers early on during Naval Aviation. Of all the incorrect information in this video, that was surprisingly not part of the long list of mistakes.
Oh, fer cryin' out loud. Describing the damage to USS Franklin (CV-13) the narrative says at 11:20 the "armored hanger deck was unfortunately not enough to prevent the loss of the ship." I'm sure that if there are survivors of the Franklin still around, they'll be even more surprised than I was to hear about the loss of the ship. USS Franklin did indeed survive the massive damage, explosions and fires and was brought back home where her damage was deemed too extreme to be repaired. But the important thing is that she survived and brought home the remainder of her crew.
I was on the USS Midway from ‘83-‘86 and always wondered why the hangar bay elevators were always open. Now I why. There weren’t any doors! Thanks for schooling me. 👌
The USS Midway has hanger bay doors: ruclips.net/video/774chLDRMTQ/видео.htmlsi=6S5IxFxMbgW0MeiH You can tell this is the Midway because the overhead (ceiling) is lower that new carriers.
@@tolson57 well, I’m just learning so much about my old ship today. I never did see them closed though
You can see the doors in the video.
I was on Forrestal, we had doors
Can't speak to newer carriers, however I served on the Kitty Hawk CV 63 and I worked in the hydraulic shop where we were responsible for the maintenance of the aircraft elevators and yes you guessed it the hanger bay doors along with other vital equipment on the ship. There was also a hanger door in the middle of the bay to separate the bay into 2 halfs incase of emergency.
USS Kitty Hawk had doors. More important than that, if you look at the ship at 3:04 in THIS VIDEO, the ship shown (Nimitz class) has the hangar bay doors closed. At 8:43 in this video is a shot from inside the hangar deck and you can see the doors from the inside in the open position. Also at 8:52, on the Lincoln, you can see the doors on the extreme left of the screen, again in the open position.
Just leave the doors open at all time other than bad weather
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Very Interesting, loved it great video!
I guess i'll never know.. this took way too long !! stopped at 1:50
I was Nucleus Crew on the Carl Vinson (CVAN70). The hangar bay doors are kept open because when the snipes fly in, they need a way to get out again!
I served on CV-62 and she definitely had hangar bay doors and elevator doors. During flight ops the elevator doors were usually open. In port they might be closed or open. Depended what port you were in.
USS Coral Sea CV-43 77-80. She had elevator and hanger bay doors
A friend of mine was a reactor operator (CVN 71) and also had damage-control duties. Since reactor-spaces were 'special' the only people who could work in those spaces and do preventative maintenance were reactor department personnel. He said that most of his DC duties ended up being cleaning and the greasing of the doors and seals.
One of the main reasons is for ventilation. Look at the history of Japanese aircraft carrier Taihō. During the Battle of the Philippine Sea, it was hit by a torpedo that jammed one of the ships elevators. The captain ordered the elevator planked over to resume flight operations. This trapped fumes from broken fuel lines which spread throughout the ship and resulted in a massive explosion that destroyed the ship.
@3:04 the doors are closed -.-
rough seas, darken ship conditions. and more!
I'm confused. At 0:07, 0:26, 8:43, 8:46, 8:49, 9:46, 9:49, and 17:15, you can see horizontal sliding doors to the sides of the main aircraft lift elevator. Are the carriers shown older, non nuclear carriers? Also, while I can see the weight and complexity posing risks, couldn't a 'sheet' style door be used, such as is common at grocery stores? They use an array of vertical strips to contain the cold air in refrigerated sections. A carrier could adopt a similar approach that's light, fireproof, simple, and could be quickly detached and pitched overboard if it failed during combat. They could be used to regulate air flow, air gusts, salt spray, and interior temperature better than an open door.
Carriers have elevator doors. And a fire door dividing the hanger bay
The only doors allowed in the Navy is Three Doors Down 🎵
The carrier I was on it was always enjoyable when we had a GQ drill. They would shut the hangar bay doors , the elevator doors, and shut off the ventilation.
Thank you very much. I'll definitely check out the hangar doors for my next visit to USS Hornet museum.
The hanger deck must be accessible to enemy drones per geneva convention to make war more fair
Lmao
Also, no BVR weapons so fighter pilots can get into dogfights. LOL
There are doors at the elevator openings and the hangar bay is also divided into 3 bays. If there is an explosion in a hanger bay with open doors the blast will be able to vent outside and that will minimize it's potential for creating damage. With the doors closed with the same said explosion the energy will be contained and thus will cause more damage to the ship and sailors onboard. This was a huge problem for the Akagi and Kaga which didn't have open hanger bays and when they were struck with bombs and eventually the ordnance of the airwing cooked off the ships were both severely gutted because the explosions were contained and the energy had no where to go.
I was on the USS Constellation (CVA-64) . There were doors that could open/close on each elevator plus a huge door separating half of the hangar bay.
I'm perplexed. Rode two aircraft carriers in the Navy, both had doors on all elevators. Hell, even at the beginning of the video when showing the elevator from inside, you can see the doors pocketed to the left.
Wait a minute...I remember the Enterprise CVN 65, having hanger doors at the elevators when we unrepped them at sea.
The Bonhom Richard was an Essex class LHD; Not America class.
I saw the name, "Wasp," and it was gone. I couldn't find that segment of film again. It made me sad--again. Thank you for a clear and detailed report on a subject I never thought I would find so interesting.
This is what is so great about the internet, so much information available. Too bad 90% of it is wrong.
I would LOVE to take a tour of one of these INCREDIBLE machines.
God Bless America!
God Bless OUR Freedom & Noble Endeavors!
Open the Pod bay doors Hal
Everyone in the comments, HANGER is for clothes HANGAR is for aircraft. Sheesh!
I was on a "super carrier" & the hanger doors enabled the crews to work on planes without being seen for 20 miles with all the white lights on. When nothing was happening, they'd turn on red lights to reduce being seen and open the doors to make it cooler.
I love the way they said "to protect million dollar aircraft" I'm pretty sure that the wheels alone on a modern fighter cost more than a million dollars alone
I was on the Enterprise in the early '70's. It had three elevators to the hanger bay. And the had doors.
The door slides to open and close !!! 🤦🏽♀️
There are doors that close off the elevator openings (8:20 in your video). They are hung inside the hanger along the wall. They are segmented and stacked to take up less space. There are also two sets of doors that can close off sections of the hanger bay (primarily to limit fires) (8:25 in your video).
So the crew can fish, of course!
I served on the USS Enterprise and it definitely had doors at each elevator. You can clearly the doors and the tracks they roll on in the thumbnail.
Some carrier hangar decks can have two or three levels? What the hell are you talking about? There are no other levels to put aircraft except the flight deck and hangar deck. The hangar deck is also called the main deck or first deck.
I was on CVN 65, annnnnddd, IT HAD HANGER DOORS! 5 OF EM!
He keeps talking about using hangar doors so I think the headline is wrong. It's not that US carriers do not have hangar doors, they just keep them open unless conditions warrant closing them.
They do have doors! Big ass fire doors. Ask anyone in V3 division
Great post ❤ but the Bismarck was a German battleship. Not a United States aircraft carrier. You are referring the sinking of the uss Yorktown and the hornet . But the hornet was sunk in the battle of midway. Yorktown was sunk in the battle of coral sea
Hornet did not participate in neither the Battle of Midway nor the Battle of Coral Sea, but she did launch Doolittle's bombers of the infamous Doolittle Raid. The Lexington was sunk at the Battle of Coral Sea. An Essex class carrier built later in the war bears the name Lexington, as well. She survived the war, becoming a training ship, well into the 1990s. The USS Yorktown was sunk at the Battle of Midway.
I'm sure he meant USS Bismark Sea, which was a WWII CVE aircraft carrier.....
Royal navy had fully armored flight decks during WW2. In the pacific when they were hit by kamikaze aircraft they often would simply sweep the kamikaze debris off the deck into the ocean. Seriously! Often the only damage was a slight dent and some burned marks. Check out the story of the USS ROBIN (HMS VICTORIOUS) an aircraft carrier with British crew loaned to the US NAVY during our darkest hours in the pacific. Not only did its arrival with a US flag and paint job scare the Japanese high command. They couldn't figure out why it was so much more resistant to battle damage that previous US aircraft carriers. It really had them worries the US Navy had a new class of carriers with armored flight decks.
@16;00 ..... Balls-o-steel! Did you see that small craft flying over the waves?!?!?! 🏴☠
The Roosevelt, Ike, America, Kennedy, Enterprise, Nimitz, all had hanger bay doors. Plus you can see the damn doors in the footage.