Can you imagine on the Day of Judgment when a person finally learns the truth and that he/she is being damned in hellfire for all eternity because of a lie somebody many thousand years ago told/wrote. Can't even begin to imagine the agony.
So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allāh," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. (2:79) O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]? (3:71) "Now, when a messenger from Allah has come to them-confirming their own Scriptures-some of the People of the Book cast the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know." (2:101)
Christians will bypass Dr. Tabor's words and scream "Paul had divine revelation" but when you tell them about the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, they'll suddenly be overly critical of the method of revelation. It's just comical. Regardless, this is yet another brilliant interview brother Paul. Dr Tabor is very careful with his words and I respect him for that, but any honest person looking from the outside can see that Paul and his writings has overshadowed Jesus in the gospels and that speaks volumes
that's because Paul was an Israelite who worshipped the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob...and Muhammad was an Ishmaelite. who worshipped Allah ..a different diety....🥴
I think another awesome guest would be Micheal Hudson. He’s an economist, historian and economic anthropologist. His books cover a whole range of important themes like history of money, subversion of Christianity and how what we know now as the standard narrative of history departed from reality.
I would say kind of yes because: Paul is the initiator, the founder of Pagan Christianity, before him were the judaic Christianity. As time went on, judaic Christianity disappeared and the Pagan Christianity, which Paul founded, initiated became the todays Christianity. Christianitys development from a jewisch sect to a "new religion" took several hundred years but we can say it was completed during the 5th century after dozens of christian councils where todays Christianty was defined !!
read the letters to the Romans as to why St Paul is the apostles to the Gentiles. There you will discover how Jesus conquered man's bondage to sin, flesh, death and the Law. the law here refers to Mosaic Law. Thus, non-jewish christians need no longer observe Mosaic Law.
Don’t forget the true disciples and elect were first killed by Rome, ie in the Coliseum, then over-written and replaced with their pagan amalgamation called Christianity.
Roman historians tell us that First Century Roman jurists were unable to differentiate between Jews and Christians. We don't know exactly who died in the Collosseum because the Romans were record makers. Many people from the Levant were implicated in the revolts or charged with being an agent of Chrestus even if they could prove their Roman citizenship. As today, unless you were rich, you were unable to legally defend yourself.
Roman historians tell us that First Century Roman jurists were unable to differentiate between the old religion and the new religion. We don't know who it was who died in the Colloseum because the Romans were the record keepers.
Extremely scholarly and valuable , adds to the vast new revision of understanding the obscured Jesus of history by so many full time scholars who spent all their life time in this discipline
@@cc-cy there is no Hebrew Jesus. He was Aramaic. He was considered Jewish by his people but was in submission to his Lord. That's why we call him Muslim. It's the meaning of Islam: peca through submission to God. Islamic Jesus is the correct and accurate depiction of Jesus PBUH portrayed by God in His last revelation to His last Messenger PBUH.
@@hassanmirza2392 Jesus(Issa-pbuh) is one man, one person, one human-being. His mother is Mary(Maryam-Gbph) who gave birth to him as a Virgin. God(Allah) planted a seed in her womb that became Jesus(pbuh). " Historical Jesus", "Biblical Jesus", Quranic Jesus", " Hebrew Jesus" is only adding more confusion to an already confused situation. Jesus( pbuh) is one man who is son of Mary(Gbph) and a prophet and messenger of God(Allah).
We still have Ebionites? That’s so cool. Do you guys have like an organized community? What books of New Testament do you guys follow? I have so many more questions. I wish there was more stuff about you guys on the internet.
@@Bhojani1 well, I think there are fringe groups who claim Ebionism, who have different beliefs. I personally don't know any save only a few who claimed they were trying to restore the ancient style of Hebrew and move to the Philippines as some way of fulfilling end time prophecy. But that's just one group. I personally only accept the Torah, Prophets, and Writings as true scripture. Others I make small account of. Aside from accepting Yeshua as Messiah, I do accept the 4 Gospels - but not as inspired writings. I do believe that the original gospel of Matthew is probably the fabled "Q" gospel that scholars have touted for the last 200 years. And I believe that Yeshua put Peter in charge of the organization of the church. I accept the apocryphal acts (mostly found in the so called "contendings of the Apostles" literature that has come down from the ethiopian church), I accept the literature attributed to Clement such as the Ethiopic Didascalia, Arabic apocalypse of Peter, Epistula Apostolorum, and the syriac Clementine Recognitions. These writings unfortunately, have been corrupted by Christian scribes but one day I intend to try and restore them to what would have been proper Jewish Petrine "Christianity". That's what I meant in my original post by "I wish to bring James out of oblivion" because these writings in some way preserve the true doctrines and accounts of the Apostles. But these are my beliefs, I'm sure other Ebionites have different views. One thing we all have in common is that we reject Paul as an apostate. And I personally believe that he was Simon Magus. Both of these men have the gematria value of 616, which is the original value that John wrote in his Apocalypse. Hopefully that all makes sense, feel free to ask more questions if you need clarification.
I think the Greco-Roman influence on Christianity has been heavily explored in relation to Pauline thought, but it would be interesting to see more discussions about the influences of Persian thought on the formation of Christianity. Sh. Abdal Hakim Murad had some interesting thoughts to present on Christianity not merely being a Hellenised reconfiguration of Judaism, but a fusion of Hellenistic and Persian thought culminating in the theanthropic synthesis that dominated all of Europe
Paul was a Pharisee, Persian. He beloned to a religious cast. They depended on the revenue from their followers. They were enhancing their relevance by adding new elements to their ideology to stay relevant and widen their base for increased revenue. There should be some old persian documents, but I think the Romans had the habit of erasing any trace of them.
Zoroastrianism heavily influenced 2nd temple Judaism. Ideas that changed Judaism and bleed into the subsequent religions of Christianity and Islam include monotheism, a Messiah, heaven and hell, an afterlife, good vs evil dualism and more. Zoroastrianism was the religion of Cyrus the Great who is the only non Jew that is called God's Messiah in the Bible.
@@ObjectiveEthics Monotheism of OT is debatable. Israelite had one god whose only job was to look after them, and there were many other gods as well. I think they were adding Persian Gods to their list of gods. If there were some Persian influences on early Islam, there would be some linguistic influences also. I am not aware of that. Ideas do not necessarily propagate or spread.
@@almazchati4178 The Canaanite people that eventually became what you may be referring to as Israelites were polytheistic for most of their pre 2nd temple existence but during the Babylonia exile they were moving to a more henotheistic religious reform. That lasted until the 2nd temple period. Most people who don't understand the Zoroastrian reforms of Zarathustra don't realize that Zoroastrian became truly monotheistic in about 1,200 bce (possibly closer to 1,500 bce and some scholars think as late as 1,800 bce). Side note: The Israelites were actually Canaanite people who broke into a separate group that were also known as the Hyksos. The Exodus myth is based on the invasion of the Hyksos from Canaan to Egypt during the 15th, 16th and 17th dynasty before they were eventually expelled.
Thank you 🙏🏼 I always have this conviction that intelligent people who are humble and who respectfully pursue truth are worth listening to. May God bless you both in this life and the life after.
Thank you brother Paul and Doctor Tabor... As a Muslim I have always been interested in the Christian mindset which to me stems from a bible filled with contradictions and statements made by dubious characters....whose statements though dubious ,are accepted as absolute truth... Furthermore ,the amount of christian practices that originate in paganism is mind boggling... Practices such as calling a man a God or the son of God... And as Dr. Tabor just mentioned .....the symbolic practice of drinking the blood of Christ..
The quran is also full of contradictions. The bible was written by men divinly inspired. The quran is said to be the exact words of god so how can there be mistakes? Pagan practices like kissing and walking around a black rock? 😂 the quran said the torah and injeel those who have them judge by them.
@@helioselexandros how is it that the divinely inspired men contradict each other even in the Four Gospels? Luke forgot to record Jesus quoting Psalms 22 on the cross, when he insisted that he investigated everything before writing it down. Matthew mentions a zombie apocalypse that's nowhere else found in the other Gospels. Matthew also pretty much copies Mark but exaggerates everything like the two donkeys ridden by Jesus when entering Jerusalem (Mark only mentioned the one donkey), or the instantaneous drying of the cursed fig tree (delayed by one day in Mark). Or how John moved the crucifixion up one day to fit Jesus as the sacrificial Lamb, and totally dismissed Simon of Cyrene as Jesus' cross bearer, insisting that Jesus carried it himself.
On the day of Resurrection I really want to see Paul's face when God places His wrath on him for misleading millions of people to deception. I honestly am more sad than angry for what he done..
Can you imagine on the Day of Judgment when a person finally learns the truth and that he/she is being damned in hellfire for all eternity because of a lie somebody many thousand years ago told/wrote. Can't even begin to imagine the agony.
Thank you for this great lecture and the efforts you put in it , My only issue with this channel is the list of interesting books that keeps getting longer and longer that I wish I will get and read.😍
The statement about certain individuals like James reminds me of the hadith " Sayyiduna ‘Ali radhi Allahu ‘anh: “The Abdāl are in Syria, and they are 40 men. Whenever one of them dies, Allah substitutes another in his place. By means of them, Allah brings down the rain, gives victory over enemies, and diverts punishment from the people of Syria.” mentioned by Imam Ahmad رضي الله عنه and others.
Massive respect to Paul for not changing his name and falling into arab trap. Religion is about what you believe not what language you speak. I'm a convert who kept his name and is proud of his language and culture aka not arab wannabe. Keep good work Paul. Peace
The name Tabor is close to the name Saboor (inshaa Allah Rahman). It means patience, to be forbearing, long-suffering and having endurance under hardship.❤
💥 Exposing Paul Lies 💥 When you read Matthew chapter 27, you will see that Judas killed himself before - according to them - the crucifixion of Jesus: Matthew 27:5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”). That is why it means before the event - according to them - the resurrection of Jesus - that the number of the disciples would be 11, but Paul said in his letter to the Corinthians: 1 Corinthians 15:5 and that he appeared to Cephas,[a] and then to the Twelve. This means that he did not receive the revelation and the alleged story of the resurrection did not happen, but Mark, who came later said: Mark 16:14 Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen. So Mark (The Anonymous Person) who didn't claim getting revelation didn't make the mistake in this alleged resurrection story but Paul who made the claim getting the revelation from Jesus get it wrong 🙄
Hi Paul....fantastic channel you have set up. I even listen to the podcasts now. One personal question, you seem to have lost lot of weight, just noticed it when watching your older videos?
Very informative conference. Will you allow me to do subtitles in Arabic and French and publish it in another channel, specialized in comparative religion and biblical criticism?
Dr. James Tabor mentioned in one video (I think it was here in BT) that the main sources to find the historical Jesus would be: the gospel Q, the letter of James, and the Didache. Interestingly, none of these sources mention the crucifixion.
hi paul! i hope u can also have a discussion about Mariam AS (virgin mary, her life, her biography in both bible and qur'an texts. also, life of James' jesus AS brother
Another great video with Dr Tabor. I can't help but wonder if he is a Muslim and if not why not, and maybe if a 3 way with Dr ali ataie and him would be interesting?
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO BE A MUSLIM AND RELY ON YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS TO GAIN FAVOR WITH GOD? I RELY ON JESUS CHRIST AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IMPUTED TO ME FOR FAVOR WITH MY GOD, JEHOVAH THE GOD OF JESUS.
Yes Paul came from Galilee as we read in Jerome and escaped to Tarsus "taking his parents with him." When was this? When the Romans besieged the town which was in AD67/68. This places Paul and indeed the new Christian movement after the war with the Jews.
Some key moments: 39:40: "All the way through the Hebrew Bible God is accessible to every human being. God is nearer to those who call upon Him. `Call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved.' That sounds like Paul but it's actually a quote from the Hebrew Bible: call upon the Creator and you can be saved from trouble, even saved from your sins. You can be forgiven as a father pities his son, so does the one God pity those who fear Him. As far as the east is from the west, He removes our sins." 50:57 "Prayer is the sacrifice." 51:29 "The new religion of Christianity was born in Romans 3." 59:12: "There is not one Christian element in the Book of James." 1:19:00: "Remember that verse in the Gospel of Thomas, where the disciples say, 'What do we do when you leave us? We're going to be orphans.' 'Go to James the Just... for whom Heaven and Earth came to be.'"
1 hour & half lecture 🥰, but before I start Let Paul answer the title himself.... allegedly if he wrote it that is~ 1 Corinthians 15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel 👉I preached to you👈, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word 👉I preached to you👈. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
It's not because you preach something that you 'invented' it. And you dishonestly omitted the next verse, 1 Corinthians 15:3 "For I delivered to you as of first importance 👉what I also received,👈 that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures..."
@@trismegistus2881 In that case it was supposed to be: ... the gospel 👉 I received 👈 or I was given! then you received !!! Where is Barnabas in this cycle? Did he not preach the same? But Paul himself is a man of ambiguity. Look at his statement of gaining followers. Earlier 1 Corinthians 9 he self interpreted a text to not overburden creatures beyond their capabilities Deut. 25: 4 to justify earning from preaching THEN made it a commandment! 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel Then stated his methods... I did not say this as one time example but after reading throughly the letters! You can't help but notice, There is a deceptive word play at hand of which he tries to insert his own ideologies & preach them alongside what he received.
Thanks for your work. If I may ask an off-topic question, why did the Catholic church choose Peter as its leader or founder such that the Pope is the vicar of Peter? In my modest understanding , it is by virtue of this selection of Peter that the Church of Rome claimed superiority over the Eastern Churches in Egypt and Syria. Thanks.
Obviously i'm just a layman, an undergraduate level of formal theological education at best, however sometimes I feel as if Dr. Tabor under sells how much emphasis Paul *does* place on the importance of ethics. I think Paul would 100% not only endorse the concepts in the letter of James but himself preached them. Even the faith-works dynamics. Paul mainly had to deal with Gentile-Jewish religious inter relational concerns and so his letter largely reflect that and are not always treatises on ethics which he certainly reminds his readers that he taught them and strictly warned them about. I think Paul says what James says but simply adds that the power source and vitalizing energy for the christian belief lies in the death and resurrection of Jesus (among other power sources). A question to ask, which Dr Tabor and Blogging Theology have asked and considered, is did the other 12 disciples know of, understand, and agree with the ideas Paul had about Jesus' death and resurrection and its subsequent ramifications. Blogging Theology believes they did not I think. I think Tabor as well or at least he hesitates to think they agreed. I'm not a trained historian or textual critic, so i'm only trying to exegete the New Testament, not mine the New Testament for historicity. In Galatians, in Paul's account of things, he says to Peter "How can you compel gentiles to live like a Jew when you yourself live like a Gentile!". I had presumed that Paul was saying that Peter had initially had some sort of agreement and shared understanding of Paul's idealogy that allowed him to think he was free from obligation or total obligation to the law of Moses (Paul early had claimed that James and Peter had already heard his gospel and gave him the hand of fellowship). He may have vascillated when men from James came, but this is still significant because, according to Paul, it seems like Peter *did* agree with Paul's gospel at least at some point even adopting it to his lifestyle. There is of course the book of Acts, which I understand Dr.Tabor and many others believe is a bit of Luke making Christian history and development seem smoother than it perhaps really was. In Acts there was friction but eventual tolerance of not complete agreement between James and Paul eventually.
I don’t believe Paul knew Greek enough to read, and write Greek Just must comment The history book called the Bible has been , altered, then to the extreme during the renaissance period. What makes anyone actually believe this history book has remained authentic, and unaltered. So many contradictions in this book
Joshua Little is hyper critical revisionist when it comes to Hadith science. This guy faces critique from the traditional scholars as western academics because of his narrow minded approach where doesn't take the rich Islamic scholarship into account. He even don't believe the prophet pbuh married Aisha RA at a young age. If he is that negative about the Hadith science then Christian literature stand absolutly no chance with this hyper critical guy.
@SAM_KBI That's my point precisely. Paul Williams invites people like Dale Martin, a gay Liberal Christian scholar and Bart Ehrman whom doesn't even believe in a God yet doesn't even apply the same critism to Islam even the slightest. He's a hypocrite and keeps his audience in an echo chamber because of his confirmation bias.
Salaam Alaikum Br. Paul, I wish the latest testament ( Quran ), the new testament ( Bible) and the old testament ( Torah) . All to be published as one book . I hope any one of the rich Man or woman will do it . Just like your guest Mr Tabor showed the leather bound book that has old and new testaments . We got to have one with all three in one . In that way people can read for themselves and get enlightened to the truth .
@@786humaira1The problem is that Quran was revealed to profet Muhammad SAW .New Testament is not the message Isa (pbuh) received from Allah SWT. New Testament actually a biography of profet written by hundreds of years latter. Old Testament source is even more dubious.
Can't happen. Since bible itself isn't the real words.. from the video itself we can know it's full of added stories.. Quran has no added substances. You can't put them together.. why add fake and wrong info into a book of truth.. you're gonna defile the truth if you put the together.. cos it's gonna contradict each other
Corinthians 3:10-11 New International Version 10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
I wish I had any hope that if I shared this fantastic conversation with my Christian friends and family, they would have open hearts about it and not outright attack me and tell me lost my soul is. Paul is a contradiction of everything in the “old” testament, which Christianity says is its foundation; and if that’s invalidated, where is the basis for this doctrine at all?
There’s some claims that all abrahamic faiths are men-made & inspired by some sumerians mythologies & other mythologies from different civilizations as well would appreciate if u can cover this topic as well.
This is proof that the so called scholars are "ever learning and unable to come to the knowledge of the truth. God preserves his word in the authorized version. They also do not understand the different dispensations. This is absolute proof of "vain jangling."
Paul himself was taken in by the messianic hellenized Damascus group. They had to have had at least crude foundational concepts that they imparted to Paul before his own theology. Plus all the messianic preconcepts in Isaiah minor prophets and Deadsea scrolls hundreds of years before Paul or AD 33.
if alot of christians accept scholars that spend their life to study bible, rather than just follow blindfaith accept doctrine from church.. it will be good.
Paul and James talking about Paul and James.
Thank you so much to both of you. Great episode
Would be a nice title 😂
Poetic innit🤣
Great catch! Love it haha
I remember coming to this exact same conclusion as a devout Christian in my teenage years.
just when im about to finish James D. Tabor's book...
I'm a muslim, I read the epistle of James, and tears came to my eyes 😢 really lovely teaching, thank you Paul and James
Can you imagine on the Day of Judgment when a person finally learns the truth and that he/she is being damned in hellfire for all eternity because of a lie somebody many thousand years ago told/wrote. Can't even begin to imagine the agony.
So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allāh," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. (2:79)
O People of the Scripture, why do you mix [i.e., confuse] the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]? (3:71)
"Now, when a messenger from Allah has come to them-confirming their own Scriptures-some of the People of the Book cast the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know." (2:101)
Christians will bypass Dr. Tabor's words and scream "Paul had divine revelation" but when you tell them about the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, they'll suddenly be overly critical of the method of revelation. It's just comical.
Regardless, this is yet another brilliant interview brother Paul. Dr Tabor is very careful with his words and I respect him for that, but any honest person looking from the outside can see that Paul and his writings has overshadowed Jesus in the gospels and that speaks volumes
that's because Paul was an Israelite who worshipped the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob...and Muhammad was an Ishmaelite. who worshipped Allah ..a different diety....🥴
Paul never had divine revelation though, he only had visions and then wrote letters
@@cc-cy yes the God of Abraham, Issac and Ishmael is entirely a different God from the God of Abraham, Issac and Ishmael
@@Hastenforthedawm 😂 perfect response
@@Hastenforthedawm compare Muhammad with Horus or Lord Vishn or Buddha etc .. other pagan deities. ..🥴
I think another awesome guest would be Micheal Hudson. He’s an economist, historian and economic anthropologist. His books cover a whole range of important themes like history of money, subversion of Christianity and how what we know now as the standard narrative of history departed from reality.
I would say kind of yes because: Paul is the initiator, the founder of Pagan Christianity, before him were the judaic Christianity. As time went on, judaic Christianity disappeared and the Pagan Christianity, which Paul founded, initiated became the todays Christianity. Christianitys development from a jewisch sect to a "new religion" took several hundred years but we can say it was completed during the 5th century after dozens of christian councils where todays Christianty was defined !!
I DISAGREE. APOSTLE PAUL WAS NOT A TRINITARIAN. PAUL TAUGHT PREDESTINATION AND ELECTION WHICH MOST CHRISTIANS ARE IGNORANT OR IN DISAGREEMENT OF.
read the letters to the Romans as to why St Paul is the apostles to the Gentiles. There you will discover how Jesus conquered man's bondage to sin, flesh, death and the Law. the law here refers to Mosaic Law. Thus, non-jewish christians need no longer observe Mosaic Law.
Don’t forget the true disciples and elect were first killed by Rome, ie in the Coliseum, then over-written and replaced with their pagan amalgamation called Christianity.
Roman historians tell us that First Century Roman jurists were unable to differentiate between Jews and Christians. We don't know exactly who died in the Collosseum because the Romans were record makers. Many people from the Levant were implicated in the revolts or charged with being an agent of Chrestus even if they could prove their Roman citizenship. As today, unless you were rich, you were unable to legally defend yourself.
Roman historians tell us that First Century Roman jurists were unable to differentiate between the old religion and the new religion. We don't know who it was who died in the Colloseum because the Romans were the record keepers.
Another great and enlightening episode. Sincere thanks to both of you, Paul and James.
Extremely scholarly and valuable , adds to the vast new revision of understanding the obscured Jesus of history by so many full time scholars who spent all their life time in this discipline
Historic Jesus is similar to Islamic Jesus 😊
@@hassanmirza2392 ??? historic Jesus? how about Hebrew Jesus
@@cc-cy there is no Hebrew Jesus. He was Aramaic. He was considered Jewish by his people but was in submission to his Lord. That's why we call him Muslim. It's the meaning of Islam: peca through submission to God. Islamic Jesus is the correct and accurate depiction of Jesus PBUH portrayed by God in His last revelation to His last Messenger PBUH.
@@cc-cy
Hebrew Jesus is the Historic one, Quranic one is the real one.
@@hassanmirza2392 Jesus(Issa-pbuh) is one man, one person, one human-being. His mother is Mary(Maryam-Gbph) who gave birth to him as a Virgin. God(Allah) planted a seed in her womb that became Jesus(pbuh). " Historical Jesus", "Biblical Jesus", Quranic Jesus", " Hebrew Jesus" is only adding more confusion to an already confused situation. Jesus( pbuh) is one man who is son of Mary(Gbph) and a prophet and messenger of God(Allah).
Dr. Tabor has such great objective scholarship! Thank you!
Paul and James are talking about Apostle Paul and Apostle James!
Paul you are a breathe of fresh air thank you sir
You have 2 versions of Jesus in the same book (Bible) : one God and one Prophet. That should tell us someone is lying.
But don’t you see, it’s fully true and fully false at the same, ya gotta have faith
Lol
my prediction, after the crucifixion, Jesus was upgraded from prophet to god, and Paul filled the vacancy and he appointed himself as a Apostle😢😢
Yes there are two gospels: the historical Jesus, and the risen Jesus. Both compliment each other, both are necessary if you're Christian.
@@paulhammer1363 which one is correct?
2 of the 3 that make the holy trinity
Christianity should be called Paulytheism
clever!
@@BloggingTheology you do great work brother
@BloggingTheology Why don't you invite Dr Joshua Little to discuss the sciences of Hadith?
As an Ebionite follower of Yeshua, this interview was quite pleasant. I wish to bring James from out of oblivion.
We still have Ebionites? That’s so cool. Do you guys have like an organized community? What books of New Testament do you guys follow? I have so many more questions. I wish there was more stuff about you guys on the internet.
@@Bhojani1 well, I think there are fringe groups who claim Ebionism, who have different beliefs. I personally don't know any save only a few who claimed they were trying to restore the ancient style of Hebrew and move to the Philippines as some way of fulfilling end time prophecy. But that's just one group.
I personally only accept the Torah, Prophets, and Writings as true scripture. Others I make small account of. Aside from accepting Yeshua as Messiah, I do accept the 4 Gospels - but not as inspired writings. I do believe that the original gospel of Matthew is probably the fabled "Q" gospel that scholars have touted for the last 200 years. And I believe that Yeshua put Peter in charge of the organization of the church.
I accept the apocryphal acts (mostly found in the so called "contendings of the Apostles" literature that has come down from the ethiopian church), I accept the literature attributed to Clement such as the Ethiopic Didascalia, Arabic apocalypse of Peter, Epistula Apostolorum, and the syriac Clementine Recognitions. These writings unfortunately, have been corrupted by Christian scribes but one day I intend to try and restore them to what would have been proper Jewish Petrine "Christianity". That's what I meant in my original post by "I wish to bring James out of oblivion" because these writings in some way preserve the true doctrines and accounts of the Apostles.
But these are my beliefs, I'm sure other Ebionites have different views. One thing we all have in common is that we reject Paul as an apostate. And I personally believe that he was Simon Magus. Both of these men have the gematria value of 616, which is the original value that John wrote in his Apocalypse.
Hopefully that all makes sense, feel free to ask more questions if you need clarification.
@@Bhojani1 for some strange reason my comment got deleted.
Theologically a very important topic. Thank you for the effort as always Paul
I think the Greco-Roman influence on Christianity has been heavily explored in relation to Pauline thought, but it would be interesting to see more discussions about the influences of Persian thought on the formation of Christianity. Sh. Abdal Hakim Murad had some interesting thoughts to present on Christianity not merely being a Hellenised reconfiguration of Judaism, but a fusion of Hellenistic and Persian thought culminating in the theanthropic synthesis that dominated all of Europe
Monasticism in Christianity comes from Persian Manichean religious thought, probably.
Paul was a Pharisee, Persian. He beloned to a religious cast. They depended on the revenue from their followers. They were enhancing their relevance by adding new elements to their ideology to stay relevant and widen their base for increased revenue. There should be some old persian documents, but I think the Romans had the habit of erasing any trace of them.
Zoroastrianism heavily influenced 2nd temple Judaism. Ideas that changed Judaism and bleed into the subsequent religions of Christianity and Islam include monotheism, a Messiah, heaven and hell, an afterlife, good vs evil dualism and more.
Zoroastrianism was the religion of Cyrus the Great who is the only non Jew that is called God's Messiah in the Bible.
@@ObjectiveEthics Monotheism of OT is debatable. Israelite had one god whose only job was to look after them, and there were many other gods as well. I think they
were adding Persian Gods to their list of gods. If there were some Persian influences on early Islam, there would be some linguistic influences also. I am not aware of that. Ideas do not necessarily propagate or spread.
@@almazchati4178 The Canaanite people that eventually became what you may be referring to as Israelites were polytheistic for most of their pre 2nd temple existence but during the Babylonia exile they were moving to a more henotheistic religious reform. That lasted until the 2nd temple period. Most people who don't understand the Zoroastrian reforms of Zarathustra don't realize that Zoroastrian became truly monotheistic in about 1,200 bce (possibly closer to 1,500 bce and some scholars think as late as 1,800 bce).
Side note:
The Israelites were actually Canaanite people who broke into a separate group that were also known as the Hyksos. The Exodus myth is based on the invasion of the Hyksos from Canaan to Egypt during the 15th, 16th and 17th dynasty before they were eventually expelled.
Oh I am so happy to see you both together ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
blogging theology never disappoints, amazing as always
Your informative interviews always make my day . Thank you Paul!
Thank you 🙏🏼 I always have this conviction that intelligent people who are humble and who respectfully pursue truth are worth listening to. May God bless you both in this life and the life after.
Thank you brother Paul and Doctor Tabor...
As a Muslim I have always been interested in the Christian mindset which to me stems from a bible filled with contradictions and statements made by dubious characters....whose statements though dubious ,are accepted as absolute truth...
Furthermore ,the amount of christian practices that originate in paganism is mind boggling...
Practices such as calling a man a God or the son of God...
And as Dr. Tabor just mentioned .....the symbolic practice of drinking the blood of Christ..
And the celebration of Saturnalia
And the celebration of ThanksKilling which is now Thanksgiving
The quran is also full of contradictions. The bible was written by men divinly inspired. The quran is said to be the exact words of god so how can there be mistakes? Pagan practices like kissing and walking around a black rock? 😂 the quran said the torah and injeel those who have them judge by them.
@@helioselexandros very original arguments that definitely haven't been comprehensively debunked centuries ago ;)
@@helioselexandros how is it that the divinely inspired men contradict each other even in the Four Gospels?
Luke forgot to record Jesus quoting Psalms 22 on the cross, when he insisted that he investigated everything before writing it down. Matthew mentions a zombie apocalypse that's nowhere else found in the other Gospels. Matthew also pretty much copies Mark but exaggerates everything like the two donkeys ridden by Jesus when entering Jerusalem (Mark only mentioned the one donkey), or the instantaneous drying of the cursed fig tree (delayed by one day in Mark). Or how John moved the crucifixion up one day to fit Jesus as the sacrificial Lamb, and totally dismissed Simon of Cyrene as Jesus' cross bearer, insisting that Jesus carried it himself.
Excellent discussion❤
Alhamdulillah, an interesting topic... May Allah SWT bless u paul
Masha Allah, amazing discussion. Thanks for inviting this scholar 🙌🏾
islam was founded about 600 years after the resurection of YAHUSHA (JESUS)
@@giovanni545 what a dumb argument
Christianity or paulinity was founded loong centuries after Moses
Responding the dumb with a dumb argument
@@giovanni545 so? we claim that this from god, god who has access to history
Thanks to God for this channel! Peace be upon you and stay blessed, Paul.
On the day of Resurrection I really want to see Paul's face when God places His wrath on him for misleading millions of people to deception. I honestly am more sad than angry for what he done..
Don't worry about it. St Paul was a champion of the infant church. He has served well.
Can you imagine on the Day of Judgment when a person finally learns the truth and that he/she is being damned in hellfire for all eternity because of a lie somebody many thousand years ago told/wrote. Can't even begin to imagine the agony.
Great dialogue
Thanks
I am a fan of you both !!
Thank you so much to both of you. Great episode
I need to do the mark course immediately. Thank you brother.
Amazing , very insightful interview! Thank you!
Amazing discussion.
Great guest. thnak you Paul
Great discussion.
Thank you, Paul, and thank you, James; your explanation gives a great insight into Christianity as a religious movement.
Awesome interview! Thank you
Brilliant discussion, so clear and informative.
Thank you so much for this information and guidance.🙏🏾
I wish you two could do in person interviews
Great pairing
Thank you for this great lecture and the efforts you put in it , My only issue with this channel is the list of interesting books that keeps getting longer and longer that I wish I will get and read.😍
Thank you so much for the great scholarship discussion gentlemen. We love Dr. Tabor, always great to hear.
Very good, an extraordinary story, thank you
How did these Aramaic characters get European names?
And the Europeans praised these Semitic people so much.
what i like about this channel is the objective and true seeking approach and respect for other beliefs
Amaizing !
This is Amazing ❤thank u 🙏🏽
What is so amzing about?
The statement about certain individuals like James reminds me of the hadith " Sayyiduna ‘Ali radhi Allahu ‘anh: “The Abdāl are in Syria, and they are 40 men. Whenever one of them dies, Allah substitutes another in his place. By means of them, Allah brings down the rain, gives victory over enemies, and diverts punishment from the people of Syria.” mentioned by Imam Ahmad رضي الله عنه and others.
Great video!
this has been fascinating.
Great conversation. I just wonder how people of NorthEast Africa(now middle east) happened to have european names!!!
Massive respect to Paul for not changing his name and falling into arab trap. Religion is about what you believe not what language you speak. I'm a convert who kept his name and is proud of his language and culture aka not arab wannabe. Keep good work Paul. Peace
Brother Paul you are simply amazing
I think the best channel to prove the pagan origins of christianity is ----Many prophets one message
i know one thing...i would NEVER want to be Paul on the day of judgement.
The name Tabor is close to the name Saboor (inshaa Allah Rahman). It means patience, to be forbearing, long-suffering and having endurance under hardship.❤
💥 Exposing Paul Lies 💥
When you read Matthew chapter 27, you will see that Judas killed himself before - according to them - the crucifixion of Jesus:
Matthew 27:5
So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
Matthew 27:46
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
That is why it means before the event - according to them - the resurrection of Jesus - that the number of the disciples would be 11, but Paul said in his letter to the Corinthians:
1 Corinthians 15:5
and that he appeared to Cephas,[a] and then to the Twelve.
This means that he did not receive the revelation and the alleged story of the resurrection did not happen, but Mark, who came later said:
Mark 16:14
Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.
So Mark (The Anonymous Person) who didn't claim getting revelation didn't make the mistake in this alleged resurrection story but Paul who made the claim getting the revelation from Jesus get it wrong 🙄
Hi Paul....fantastic channel you have set up. I even listen to the podcasts now. One personal question, you seem to have lost lot of weight, just noticed it when watching your older videos?
Very informative conference.
Will you allow me to do subtitles in Arabic and French and publish it in another channel, specialized in comparative religion and biblical criticism?
St. James The just is on the 3rd of the left side of Jesus at the top of the façade, in front of the dome in Saint Peter basilica
Dr. James Tabor mentioned in one video (I think it was here in BT) that the main sources to find the historical Jesus would be: the gospel Q, the letter of James, and the Didache.
Interestingly, none of these sources mention the crucifixion.
James saying: "Jesus, if he existed."
"I think he thinks he existed."
Huh!
What a brother that was.
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hi paul! i hope u can also have a discussion about Mariam AS (virgin mary, her life, her biography in both bible and qur'an texts.
also, life of James' jesus AS brother
That would be so cool!
Another great video with Dr Tabor. I can't help but wonder if he is a Muslim and if not why not, and maybe if a 3 way with Dr ali ataie and him would be interesting?
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO BE A MUSLIM AND RELY ON YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS TO GAIN FAVOR WITH GOD? I RELY ON JESUS CHRIST AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IMPUTED TO ME FOR FAVOR WITH MY GOD, JEHOVAH THE GOD OF JESUS.
@@dwashington1333 where was jehovah ever mentioned in the scriptures?
These two are how I think of Paul and James if they lived today.
fyi In night mode, the blogging theology name white font makes the play and pause button hard to see.
Nice
Yes Paul came from Galilee as we read in Jerome and escaped to Tarsus "taking his parents with him." When was this? When the Romans besieged the town which was in AD67/68. This places Paul and indeed the new Christian movement after the war with the Jews.
Historical Paul, legendary Paul, etc, etc ..... None of them loved Jesus (pbuh) rightly and more than Blogging Theology Paul does. 😊
Blogging theology paul is my favorite
Haha great
could you kindly make a video on apostolic succession?
Some key moments:
39:40: "All the way through the Hebrew Bible God is accessible to every human being. God is nearer to those who call upon Him. `Call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved.' That sounds like Paul but it's actually a quote from the Hebrew Bible: call upon the Creator and you can be saved from trouble, even saved from your sins. You can be forgiven as a father pities his son, so does the one God pity those who fear Him. As far as the east is from the west, He removes our sins."
50:57 "Prayer is the sacrifice."
51:29 "The new religion of Christianity was born in Romans 3."
59:12: "There is not one Christian element in the Book of James."
1:19:00: "Remember that verse in the Gospel of Thomas, where the disciples say, 'What do we do when you leave us? We're going to be orphans.' 'Go to James the Just... for whom Heaven and Earth came to be.'"
1 hour & half lecture 🥰, but before I start
Let Paul answer the title himself.... allegedly if he wrote it that is~
1 Corinthians 15
Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel 👉I preached to you👈, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word 👉I preached to you👈. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
It's not because you preach something that you 'invented' it.
And you dishonestly omitted the next verse, 1 Corinthians 15:3
"For I delivered to you as of first importance 👉what I also received,👈 that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures..."
@@trismegistus2881 In that case it was supposed to be: ... the gospel 👉 I received 👈 or I was given! then you received !!!
Where is Barnabas in this cycle? Did he not preach the same?
But Paul himself is a man of ambiguity.
Look at his statement of gaining followers.
Earlier 1 Corinthians 9 he self interpreted a text to not overburden creatures beyond their capabilities Deut. 25: 4 to justify earning from preaching THEN made it a commandment!
14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel
Then stated his methods...
I did not say this as one time example but after reading throughly the letters!
You can't help but notice,
There is a deceptive word play at hand of which he tries to insert his own ideologies & preach them alongside what he received.
May Allah guide Dr.Tabor.
Thanks for your work. If I may ask an off-topic question, why did the Catholic church choose Peter as its leader or founder such that the Pope is the vicar of Peter? In my modest understanding , it is by virtue of this selection of Peter that the Church of Rome claimed superiority over the Eastern Churches in Egypt and Syria. Thanks.
Obviously i'm just a layman, an undergraduate level of formal theological education at best, however sometimes I feel as if Dr. Tabor under sells how much emphasis Paul *does* place on the importance of ethics. I think Paul would 100% not only endorse the concepts in the letter of James but himself preached them. Even the faith-works dynamics. Paul mainly had to deal with Gentile-Jewish religious inter relational concerns and so his letter largely reflect that and are not always treatises on ethics which he certainly reminds his readers that he taught them and strictly warned them about.
I think Paul says what James says but simply adds that the power source and vitalizing energy for the christian belief lies in the death and resurrection of Jesus (among other power sources).
A question to ask, which Dr Tabor and Blogging Theology have asked and considered, is did the other 12 disciples know of, understand, and agree with the ideas Paul had about Jesus' death and resurrection and its subsequent ramifications.
Blogging Theology believes they did not I think. I think Tabor as well or at least he hesitates to think they agreed. I'm not a trained historian or textual critic, so i'm only trying to exegete the New Testament, not mine the New Testament for historicity. In Galatians, in Paul's account of things, he says to Peter "How can you compel gentiles to live like a Jew when you yourself live like a Gentile!". I had presumed that Paul was saying that Peter had initially had some sort of agreement and shared understanding of Paul's idealogy that allowed him to think he was free from obligation or total obligation to the law of Moses (Paul early had claimed that James and Peter had already heard his gospel and gave him the hand of fellowship). He may have vascillated when men from James came, but this is still significant because, according to Paul, it seems like Peter *did* agree with Paul's gospel at least at some point even adopting it to his lifestyle. There is of course the book of Acts, which I understand Dr.Tabor and many others believe is a bit of Luke making Christian history and development seem smoother than it perhaps really was. In Acts there was friction but eventual tolerance of not complete agreement between James and Paul eventually.
I don’t believe Paul knew Greek enough to read, and write Greek
Just must comment
The history book called the Bible has been , altered, then to the extreme during the renaissance period.
What makes anyone actually believe this history book has remained authentic, and unaltered.
So many contradictions in this book
Looks like James Tabor speaks with a Muslim mindset already? Thanks for the blogging🙏🏼
a deep dive into Paul .
Pual and James having chat on pual and James.😅
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May Allah Bless you Best in this Life and in the Hereafter.
Will you invite Dr Joshua Little on your platform to discuss Hadith Sciences?
Joshua Little is hyper critical revisionist when it comes to Hadith science. This guy faces critique from the traditional scholars as western academics because of his narrow minded approach where doesn't take the rich Islamic scholarship into account. He even don't believe the prophet pbuh married Aisha RA at a young age. If he is that negative about the Hadith science then Christian literature stand absolutly no chance with this hyper critical guy.
@SAM_KBI That's my point precisely. Paul Williams invites people like Dale Martin, a gay Liberal Christian scholar and Bart Ehrman whom doesn't even believe in a God yet doesn't even apply the same critism to Islam even the slightest. He's a hypocrite and keeps his audience in an echo chamber because of his confirmation bias.
Salaam Alaikum Br. Paul,
I wish the latest testament ( Quran ), the new testament ( Bible) and the old testament ( Torah) . All to be published as one book .
I hope any one of the rich Man or woman will do it .
Just like your guest Mr Tabor showed the leather bound book that has old and new testaments . We got to have one with all three in one .
In that way people can read for themselves and get enlightened to the truth .
The truth of One God and Mankind as one .
@@786humaira1The problem is that Quran was revealed to profet Muhammad SAW .New Testament is not the message Isa (pbuh) received from Allah SWT. New Testament actually a biography of profet written by hundreds of years latter. Old Testament source is even more dubious.
Can't happen. Since bible itself isn't the real words.. from the video itself we can know it's full of added stories.. Quran has no added substances. You can't put them together.. why add fake and wrong info into a book of truth.. you're gonna defile the truth if you put the together.. cos it's gonna contradict each other
it cannot be done because christianity holds the teaching that Divine Revelation ends with the apostles. Thus, no more insertion of additional books.
Corinthians 3:10-11
New International Version
10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Can you talk with Eyad al qunaybi ? He is an interesting individual.
Paul can you please do a talk about WHO Jesus was. He never said he was Jew. Can you please explain because it's important theme.
I wish I had any hope that if I shared this fantastic conversation with my Christian friends and family, they would have open hearts about it and not outright attack me and tell me lost my soul is. Paul is a contradiction of everything in the “old” testament, which Christianity says is its foundation; and if that’s invalidated, where is the basis for this doctrine at all?
Have you know grave of Simon Petrus one of Yesus disciple burial as islamic way
There’s some claims that all abrahamic faiths are men-made & inspired by some sumerians mythologies & other mythologies from different civilizations as well would appreciate if u can cover this topic as well.
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There's commercials literally every 5 minutes. Come on Paul
The James gospel is the most reliable.
JAMES WAS WRITTEN TO JEWS. PAUL WAS THE APOSTLE TO GENTILES, HE WAS GIVEN A DISPENSATION OF GRACE TO GOD‘S ELECT.
This is proof that the so called scholars are "ever learning and unable to come to the knowledge of the truth. God preserves his word in the authorized version. They also do not understand the different dispensations. This is absolute proof of "vain jangling."
Paul himself was taken in by the messianic hellenized Damascus group. They had to have had at least crude foundational concepts that they imparted to Paul before his own theology.
Plus all the messianic preconcepts in Isaiah minor prophets and Deadsea scrolls hundreds of years before Paul or AD 33.
I'm very curious about which religion the doctor follows.
The lord revealed himself in me. Correct Paul 🙂
Would love to be able to read books, but I get distracted easily. Any tips?
Start by switching off the TV 😊
@@KN-td5iw Don't watch TV
@BoxingMMA Fan you don't own a TV? what's all your furniture pointed at?
@@KN-td5iw LOOOOOOL
Split the book into small small sections. Take a notebook and make small points on what you digested from that section. 15 minutes a day every day
if alot of christians accept scholars that spend their life to study bible, rather than just follow blindfaith accept doctrine from church.. it will be good.
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