The SCP Foundation Nukes Itself
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- Hey maybe they should stop blowing themselves up.
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To be honest having a Nuke at a site is a smart idea. Although it may not be effective towards all SCPs at least it will stop them from destroying everything.
Not if the SCPs goal is secrecy, think about what would happen realistically if a nuke went off anywhere in the modern world
@@WhenDevilsDuel Well in lore secret societies are in all branches in government.
They cant destroy it if nuke it first! Am i right
maybe have it at sites but do not have it at sites that house anomalies resistant to nuclear bombs, which is one thing Director Weld mentioned!
@@loscause7927 sure but how likely is it that they're the president of the United States, or have influence in a government like say... North Korea. They can be a part of the governments all they want, that doesn't mean they have the power to stop a paranoid world leader, who thinks he just got nuked, from nuking another nation. Or the power to gaslight anyone that "oh bro don't worry, the nuclear bomb that just drastically increased the radiation in our stratosphere and set shockwaves throughout the planet, is no big D, I promise" Or some other country looking to take advantage of the chaos or even thinking that nuclear warfare has started and take it as a signal to blast away whoever just got nuked. Unless they -control- *are* the leaders of every super power, a nuke going off literally anywhere, would kick off ww3 a lot sooner than militant analysts currently predict.
The Nuclear Option is another good tale regarding the foundation’s use of nukes
I love this, don't argue with the writers about things that don't make sense in the SCP foundation, bring it up with Ethics Committee or the o5's.
oh that is a really good point!
"There is no such thing as the ethics committee."
or make an SCP that explains the whole thing to be a cognitohazard. Like how all mentions of Class D monthly terminations are just randomly appearing in files and should be ignored cause they're false
But nukes do make sense. It's to make sure that anomalies don't destroy anything. A way to slow them down.
Now the one thing that should be mentioned and fairly apparent plot loophole for this tale.
The Foundation is global entity with a lot of assets,including ground,naval,sea,and even space forces armed in various manners,along with the cooperation of various governments.
If the need for nuclear detonations as a final solution is still relevant to the containment of anomalies,it's far better for the Foundation to have said nukes in the form of assets external to the target that can be guranteed to be used if need be by those who can more calmly asses the situation once they've established the situation on site.
So both Weld can have the explosives removed from the work environments,save for maybe demolition charges in the building that can be used to parially or totally collapse a site in a controlled manner to help lock things in,and the Council will still have stronger nuclear options that can more easily follow strict guidelines of their use,all while allowing the staff both more room to work with should things go wrong and still have a reminder that failure in their work can end with their higher ups sacrificing them for the greater good,hence they should be competent at all times.
You can then even extend this concept by having sites specifically designed to be demolished by those charges(like how the Ludendorff Bridge was originally designed)and designed with a central hollow point where an airborne nuclear device can be guided into,ensuring maximum coverage once the device is activated.
Of course,we all know the Wiki doesn't even have a central canon anymore so consistentcy is all kinds of whack,even when it comes to nuclear usage.
it's funny, I was JUST reading the Sowing Circle ethics committee tale, and noticed your critique of that in the forums right when I got recommended this
It was a very good Tale too, the whole discussion on baby sacrifices and how everybody seemed to bring in pretty decent opinions of how to go about it, even though to me the answer was obvious with using D Class and the Sowing Circle.
But the story ended up showing the Devil's Advocate working as it should, cause their final verdict on the matter ended up being somehow less-but-still bad than even the Circle was, which makes the committee look even more competent than usual since most times they pick the grimdarkest option and throw a billion infants at it, but instead they did what committees ought to and discussed their way to a better solution
Remember that one time a Foundation AI spontaneously gained sapience and discovered music by setting off several nuclear bombs in rhythm without really understanding that that kills people?
I don't, is it a article or just a reference to SCP Secret Lab?
it's a tale and i don't remember what it's called sorry@@ChopstickSpice
Nuclear is how we got scp 296
Great reading, intriguing and thoughtful story especially in our modern times. I appreciated how you kept a very dry scientific modulation throughout but I was able to catch emotions nonetheless in their deliveries that helped sell their roles in the story.
cimmerian I love you but I want my family back
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Yayyy Dr. Cimmcimm is back! 🥰
This is awesome I love thos
really interesting idea.
Secret Lab 2021 Nuke Speedruns... ah, memories.
SCP-990 predicted this!! 😱😱
Cimmerian, can you just hug me dude. You’re the greatest man, I love hearing you talk about such creative things. I wish I had money to give, your a dime a dozen
gives me Dr. Strangeglove vibes
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I may have missed the point of some things. I don’t follow the author whinging about nuclear bombs. I have no idea what kinds of payload the sites use, but at ground zero of a nuclear detonation it’s over six times hotter than the core of the sun. I get that nukes aren’t a great solution, but anything that’s nuked no longer exists. All anomaly no longer exists if it’s nuked. Also about the fallout, I don’t know if it was hyperbole but fallout won’t last for a billion years. Seems very unprofessional to use hyperbole in a proposal like this. Finally, the reason a nukes would be used against a raid is because you don’t want your enemies to get what they’re trying to get. It’s not about losing the thing you have, when it comes to scps it’s about not letting them fall into the wrong hands. If I misunderstood something or was wrong please tell me, but personally not a fan of this tale.
Overseer spotted
"All anomaly no longer exists if it’s nuked." - As the tale itself mentions,it is not 100% cure all,some might even STRENGTHEN an anomaly,and is vastly inferior as a solution as the decades gone by.
" I don’t know if it was hyperbole but fallout won’t last for a billion years. Seems very unprofessional to use hyperbole in a proposal like this." - This isn't the proposal itself but the add-on to the written proposal,the verbal communication about the reasoning behind the proposal,a lot of places do this,so the Foundation isn't any different.
"Finally, the reason a nukes would be used against a raid is because you don’t want your enemies to get what they’re trying to get. It’s not about losing the thing you have, when it comes to scps it’s about not letting them fall into the wrong hands." - That's not "the" reason,that's "a" possible reason,one which is rare because the few times when an enemy faction came in(or attempted to),got/almost got their hands on an object,and left in one way or another,nuclear devices were not detonated(this boils down to writers wanting to write a narrative,since there is no longer any canon for the Wiki)in order to prevent the object ending up in the wrong hands.
The warhead usage in the four times,at the period of time the tale mentions,was to try and prevent the breaching anomaly from escaping,something that the tale also mentions was being handled well enough by five MTFs at Site 21 before the premature use of said warhead,resulting in undeeded losses of various types.
As for the egg that is a raid,the perfect tool is the hammer that are the MTFs,and that hammer can nail in the coffin of breaching SCPs pretty darn well without trying to flatten everything in the form of a nuclear warhead.
Cimmerian can you review Roblox SCP games?
This reminds me of the conservative talking point of using the lack of an alternative as a justification for a bad system.
Prisons don't rehabilitate people and have transformed into businesses but abolishing prisons is unrealistic because what's the alternative? Letting criminals run free?
Food is essential to survival but you can't make food free because what's the alternative? Forcing farmers to work without pay?
The education system is broken and harmful to students in many ways but what's the alternative? Letting kids do nothing all day or making them work?
You don't need a solution to identify a problem. You just need to identify it and bring it to the people who can work on a solution.
Lil bro thinks making food free and getting rid of prisons is a good idea 💀. Never cook again.
@@Based_Gigachad_001 Unironically yes.
Not just food but every basic need of a human. That includes food, water, shelter, healthcare and electricity and probably some things I'm not thinking of. As I said, that doesn't mean enslaving all farmers in a cyberpunk agricultural dystopia. For instance food could be funded through a 90% tax on people making over five million a year. Because let's be honest, what's the difference in the quality of life between someone who makes a million, 5 million, 100 million or a billion a year? Humans are finite. There's no possible way for a human being to spend that much money on anything anyway. It's just sitting in a moldy vault, gathering dust or an offshore account in Sweden or Panama.
And yes, I think prisons should be abolished and replaced by something better. That's the important part. Replaced by something better. For the life of me I cant understand why people thinks it makes sense to put a black guy away for decades because he's a drug trafficker for having a joint in his car but that the people who destroyed our entire economy in 2008 were given presidential cabinet positions. And prisons these days are meant to rehabilitate. So going back to my example, how would putting a black guy who smoked one joint in 2007 jailed for 20 years next to some guy who beheaded someone? Clearly that's going to fuck up the black guy into being more violent than when he came in because of all of the added stress of "am I gonna get shanked or raped in the shower or beaten by the guards or the other violent inmates or have my shit stolen". And for the guy who beheaded someone, is he going to rehabilitate and change in a place that rewards with survival the shitty behavior that led him here? Neither of these people have any incentive to change for the better and in one case, resources are being actively wasted on a crime that isn't even that serious.
If you just want to torture people then prisons are great. But if you want people to change and grow and learn from their mistakes and re-enter society as people who understand that beheading someone is kinda fucked actually, then prisons suck.
And there's already a real world example of what I'm saying. The famous Swedish prisons. That look more like mental health hospitals. Those people are still locked up and removed from society, but they're not treated like cattle. Also in the United States slave labor is permitted for prisoners. For making license plates, furniture and home appliances. And those aren't even all of my criticisms for prisons. Those are just the ones off the top of my head.
And isn't free food and no prisons kinda what humanity is striving for? Isn't that the end goal of society? Everyone being provided for and living in harmony? Or is *this* the best we can do as a species?
@@obsidian4844 I definitely agree that we can do better as a society. I have lots of conservative family members. They don't like to tackle a problem without a solid solution first. I am more of the approach that growth is messy and there's a lot as humans we figure out by doing. We approach risk and learning way differently. I know that's not all conservatives. I agree that people are more functional when their needs are secure. I believe that people would still work with all their needs met. I think prisons and jails are horrible institutions. They make people more likely to be repeat offenders. I worked as a corrections officer. The whole thing dehumanizes the people on both sides of the glass. I know people are afraid of losing what stability they have. From my perspective that is happening anyway as many of the systems decay. Small steady grass roots changes and community building have been the only way I can improve my surroundings. Getting involved in politics is important. My conservative relatives get really up in arms about dismantling things on a large scale but seem more amenable to local changes. At least they don't hate different people like they used to since working together with me and my variety of folks on community improvement.
First?!😂