Merphy just because Sentomaru claims he has the strongest defense doesn’t mean he does. Once upon a time Don Krieg said he was the strongest man in the world.
The thing about natural resources not being explained as a main reason for war in One Piece is definitely true. Because it wasn't explained but rather explicitly shown in Alabasta, where the conflict was born out of the lack of water or the battle for the single spec of earth in Skypia. And even Wano was a battle for resources from Kaido's perspective. So there definitely has been some buildup before.
Those resources weren't used as energy sources though. Alabasta needed water to not die of thirst, in Skypiea the earth was holy or part of their history/a promise. Kaido was producing weapons (or at least gathering the resources for weapons) in Wano to get money and expand his influence/control. Resources have always been important but they were never used to "create energy" to do something else.
@@Simar94 Vearth was only holy to the Shandians, who got blown up to Skypeia. To the native Skypeians, Vearth was an incredibly valuable resource because plants cannot germinate on island clouds.
@@Simar94yeah, resources for energy is definitely a new angle, I wonder if Oda’s planning on introducing that in Elbaf, the Giants already worship a Sun God and suns have been linked to energy in recent chapters considering Vegapunk’s heat powered lab and etc
literally i had this open while chatting in another tab, and i laughed hard enough to pause and check who else might have said something about this already
Knowing Oda's style, he is usually very straight forward and when he says things he means them in the most literal way. So i'm thinking maybe in the ancient kingdom there was a scientific way of creating devil fruits, and people literally wished for powers to be made for them. This will also explain why the other nations united against them, because they had a fearsome technology.
Also Vegapunk was surprised about the Gum-Gum-Fruit because it was not in the OLD encyclopedia (it's in the new one obviously as a cover up)... which suggests that new DFs cannot be "born" anymore. So it's pretty likely that all DFs were born or created around that time. How... we will have to see.
@@benediktmathes2528 actually scan translations vs viz media has vegapunk say ‘it’s not in any known devil fruit encyclopaedias’ so it’s not in any books at all.
@@felixowen2693 The scanlation makes more sense imo. Viz interpretation: There are multiple versions coming out, most likely because there are new infos on fruits. This would mean that new fruits are created or discovered. But it would make no sense for Vegapunk to frame it that way, because why would you not just say "in the books", why specifically talk about old ones? Because the natural conclusion if several versions came out, that the newest one is the most reliable. Also that would mean the newest encyclopedia also does not have infos about the Gum-Gum, which kinda contradicts chapter 1, where Shanks calls it that. Scanlation interpretation: There are 2 encyclopedias. One old one (the original) which included the Nika fruit but no Gum-Gum... and a new one, to cover up the Nika fruit. There it would make sense to specifically say the old one has no mention of the Gum-Gum, because pretty sure people knew about the Gum-Gum because of the new encyclopedia. Shanks for example calls it that in chapter 1. Would be nice from someone with Japanese knowledge to know which is the correct translation, but I would guess the scanlation one.
While I still think CP0 were portrayed as dummies in this chapter, they did say that orders told by Den Den Mushi would not work, which is why they had to attack Sentomaru and why they can't just have one of the 5 Elders order them via phone. This means that Vegapunk would need to be present in front of CP0 (his personal sent killers) and order the seraphims around faster thank any 3 of then can kill him, which, considering Lucci somehow got past Luffy while he was distracted to hurt Sentomaru, is very improbable.
That still doesn’t make sense. Doesn’t Vega have some around him. And he will see them and order them from afar. Lucci is fast but he’s not faster than the speed of sound fast. Even then Lucci can assume he has the entire straw hat crew aka the same crew that packed him up and is now a yonko and has a fleet of 1000s. I think the explaination is simple. Lucci is just straight forward and was like ehh I’ll take em out and them getting in the way whatever. Like in real life going to take on the smartest man in the world on their own island. They needed to send an admiral. But this is world government. Same people who sent one admiral to pack up a yonko crew on their territory. Same people who let luffy go free with minor issue when they know he had the special fruit. Also they let shanks take the fruit and while shanks was on a rink dink island they didn’t buster call it and sink the island.
The point about the other CP agents attempting to come to Egghead is also interesting because it potentially ties back to Wano. If we remember one of Orochi's demands was he wanted Vegapunk and at the time we assumed the WG never brought him just because they didn't want to. With this new information it seems like maybe they were actually trying to nab & bring him at the time but he kept sinking all the ships they sent to pick him up. Cool stuff.
22:10 In Lucci's defence, he is an awakened zoan. Remember the beast guards of Impel Down? They were basically braindead because of their zoan fruits awakening. Lucci is handling it WAY better than them
Loved the chapters and I love the "Mother nature" inclusion and also the idea it could be a reference to IMU (UMI is Sea in Japanese, Ummi can be Mother in Arabic). Imu hating Devil fruit users will make a lot of sense and explain a lot. I believe the ship disappearing could be because of Lilith and her robot (The shark). When she met the Strawhat, she mentioned how she could not override the primal instinct of the shark, so it was eating and destroying ships. Interesting words when we think about what Vegapunk said about Zoan taking control of the user during an awakening. I think Vegapunk speech about conflict and energy has not much to do with what we currently live in the One Piece world, but what happened in the past (Void century) and the history of humanity in general. As a scientist who is fascinated by the Void century, maybe he is seeing a bigger picture and questions like energy and resources seem to be key at that time. Not going too much into details, but the Space Pirates (ties with Vegapunk) and Enel Cover story was about energy (Enel devil fruit reviving a city) and Resources (we learn people from the moon ran out of ressources ). Also, Vegapunk is saying it to Luffy who is from Foosha Village (Windmill) which is an energy based Island, using Wind. Vegapunk's buddy, Luffy's father, the most wanted man in the story, seems to control wind. Coincidences? I will let you come to your own conclusion, like Rayleigh 😄
@@merphynapier42 This is also "kind of" backed up from the Enel cover story, where you can see that the 3 sky races came down from the moon becuase they lacked resources [energy], which could definitely be connected to what happened during the void century.
It may not pan out that way. You can't easily pull "Imu" out of "umi" due to how Japanese phonemes work. You'd get "miu" (mee-oo) before you'd get "Imu". That's because "mu" is not only a syllabus but also a single, *indivisible* phoneme.
Lucci has always been one of my favorite antagonists in OP, and I find it interesting that he has directly disobeyed orders from the government. I would not be surprised if he is going to be punished. His moral ambiguity and bloodlust are unmatched, and rare by government standards. Also, gotta love the fourth wall break about Oda himself. That was incredible
@@mohammedraihaaan2251 When Vegapunk elaborates on his theory on the origin of Devil Fruits, he infers that those with powers represent different branches of human evolution, which were dreamed up by "someone else before them". That "someone" is most likely rhetorical in the context of the story, but also acts as a wink to Oda
I think the reason Lucci is acting the way he is now is because after his encounter with Luffy and the cover story involving CP9, he has become more a fighter than typical assassin. More so he’s thinking in the line of I wanna test my strength against the only person to beat me and considering Luffy is a Yonko makes it even more appealing to Lucci.
That’s crazy. Luffy’s advanced future sight, advanced conquerors haki coating & advanced ryuoh + gear 5 awakening, even with Kaku, Stussy & the seraphim they’re still no match he is a god & Yonko. Zoro vs Kizaru incoming & Kuma will most probably beat the lights out of Cp0 cos they were there when Kuma was being abused by St Carlos & his dad at Mariejoa it’s time for a come back
I was absolutely giddy reading the latest chapters. I love gear 5, I love the parallels and how reckless lucci has gotten, I love vegapunk. These latest chapters are everything I’ve wanted and more.
Bonney, Strawhats, Kizaru, Sentomaru, and Kuma makes this a mini-Archipelago AND mini-Ennis Lobby reunion. I'm really excited by how Oda is going to draw a thematic thread through those arcs. There's also Ohara to connect! Cannot wait to see where he takes this.
I don't think Lucci attacked first. Rather he realized Luffy wouldn't stand down when he saw Atlas. Lucci says, "fighting them is not a good idea" and also asks Luffy to back off since he understands Luffy's personality.
Also, it will be hard draw the parallel between Luffy and Lucci because there's no way straw hats are gonna go after the WG for a single punch and I also don't think Lucci has enough sway for that. If we consider Kizaru then it's possible but not Lucci.
this was my thought too. Obviously he could have retreated and chosen not to fight back so there is still a little bit of him choosing to engage and disobey orders but Luffy was def coming at him first
Here's the thing about Lucci's actions, though: They're perfectly in character, because he doesn't care. He doesn't care about hierarchy or anything, he just wants to kill things. He fights Luffy without orders because he doesn't care about orders, he just wants to kill Luffy. He doesn't care if it could start a war, he probably WANTS a war so he can kill more people. He's got a very one track mind, and that track is "murder".
I never got that impression from him, as some sort of psychotic mass murderer. He has no problem killing, sure, like that flashbackthing where he took out an entire ship as a kid. But I doubt he'd just go around murdering random people if he could
I don't totally agree with this take, yes Lucci has killed a lot and gives the impression to actually enjoy murdering people, but the part where he "doesn't care" is where I disagree, after all if he didn't care about orders then he wouldn't have waited 5 years undercover in Water 7, Lucci is loyal to the goverment in most cases, but in the the mini stories he went from an assasin to more of a fighter/brawler, and in this situation where he is facing the guy who gave him his first and only defeat, it makes sense that he seeks revenge or to prove himself better than Luffy, not because he is a pshyco killer, but because of his ego/pride. Basically he acts in character, but I see his motivations in a different way, maybe it's just me
@@oscarlobo8033 i think of it like lucci is loyal to the WG because they let him kill people, if he didnt follow their orders he'd just be killed or imprisoned, but fighting luffy is a golden opportunity, a yonko level opponent who previously beat him? theres no better fight than that in the world so theres nothing that would stop him from taking it, luffy is literally the most important fight lucci could EVER find, its like a zoro vs mihawk fight, or a luffy vs BB fight from lucci's perspective, theres nothing more worth disobeying the WG for than this.
Remember how Roger said he wished he lived in Joyboy’s era? This may mean Joyboy’s era was when the Devil Fruits were created and everyone was going wild. This could be viewed as a fun and funny time to live. The world was turned upside down and thrown into chaos by the Ancient Kingdom spreading these creations. It would be very difficult for the WG to collect every DF since the fruits are seemingly spawned at random, except for Zoans that appear to be drawn to likewise wills.
I think Stussy specializes in infiltration and must've infiltrated Vegapunks lab as a scientist in the past to spy on him (like how CP-9 were assigned to Iceburg). This would also nicely tie in to her gag of withholding information until after the fact lol.
One small moment I loved was when we got confirmation that momonosuke's devil fruit originated from Kaido's, but Vegapunk considers it a failure just because it was the wrong color. It can still fly and breathe deadly fire, but it came out pink instead of blue. Just shows you how much of a perfectionist this big brain man is.
I'm also more subscribed to the idea that VP was referring to individual df's being born more out of necessity than wishful thinking (even the jacket-jacket- fruit lol). And I always love it when Oda romanticizes an idea and dedicates a double page spread to it (like when VP talks about it not mattering whether a God exists because this world is already so magnificent or when Mont Blanc Cricket romanticized adventuring the unknown or Romance Dawn). I can imagine "To the Grandline" playing in the background.
I don’t think it’s just one person wanting something though. I think it’s a collective of enough people desiring something. Idk what the jacket jacket fruit could be? Maybe desire for clothing or unity with another person? But what about whitebeards fruit? Who desires a natural disaster?
Egghead Island being simultaneously the first arc of the last saga as well as the parallel arc to Sabaody, which started the Marineford Saga, is just so much fun. I absolutely loved every single chapter of this so far^^
Though energy being the cause of wars is not often at the forefront of the story, if you choose to view "energy" as natural resources it can become more clear to see. Drum Island - Wapol's plan to rise further into power was hoarding the country's most valueable resource to himself (the doctors). Though this isn't as strong depending on if you can reason that humans count as resources. Alabasta - The main conflict began over a water shortage Skypiea - Enel hoarded Vearth for himself, which is the most valueable resource in the Sky Islands because it is the only soil they have to grow anything. This is a large part in why the Shandians rally to fight him. Whole Cake Island - Islands are ransacked with their entire militaries left in shambles for a literal grocery run. Additionally, the entire reason Big Mom holds territory outside of Totoland is because she wants islands dedicated to giving her sweets. Wano - Kaido's planned war could only be fought using the natural resources of Wano etc.
I read weekly in Japanese, and I agree with O'Hara (or at least what you say Liam said O'Hara said since I haven't seen that). Vega Punk's speech becomes very poetic and aggrandizing during the Devil Fruit lore dump. Also he's being a good deal more vague, as Japanese tends to be, than he is in English. The way I read it, nothing he said was intended to be taken literally. That said, one of Oda's most common tricks is to take something that is a gag, an exaggeration or really anything figurative and making it a fact of the world. Also: "Everything that a person can imagine is a possibility in reality" -Physicist, Willie Gallon
It metaphorically sounds like dreams. I think the view about dimensions and evolution bit is ridiculous by the fandom. It is just another way to describe dreams to me and the fans taking it as literal evolution or multiple dimensions which you can just take as a dream world
It sucks, I remember watching the ultimate one piece theory where ohara talks with the Japanese one piece theorist and you realise just how much of oda’s magnificent writing is missed out on because of the language barrier. You don’t get the clever foreshadowing with puns and word play.
Tbh, I think the reason he jumped in so quickly was because its Luffy. I imagine that Lucci still straight up just wants to beat Luffy, because he is probably his greatest defeat in his mind. Like he beat him in their HQ at the time and took their most valuable captive ever back from them. At least that's the way I interpreted this fight
-Kaku recognised the hologram as a space monster. Confirming that people have some kind of knowledge of space. That and this whole talk of infinite power supplies (aka an electricity man) is making me wonder if the Eneru cover story is somehow going to become more relevant to the series soon. It is one of the more random cover stories after all. -Dragon will probably be revealed to have the highest level of authority over the Seraphim during whatever war is to come with him. -Since Sentomaru referred to Kizaru as ‘Uncle’ back in Sabaody we can assume they are related if not close to each other. So Kizaru probably won’t be too happy with Lucci when he arrives at Egghead. And since he wouldn’t have clearance to attack Luffy he may have to step in to stop Lucci. I wonder what his unrelated mission to Egghead is. -I do wonder where Lucci’s character is going from here on. He doesn’t seem to be as loyal to the government as he used to be. He’s disobeyed the government by attacking Luffy and on the ship to Egghead he was beginning to ask questions about stuff he shouldn’t be. Sure he has a personal grudge against Luffy but this is also the guy who was so dedicated he spent 5 years undercover and mute as a shipwright for his mission. -Interesting that Awakened Lucci also has that smoky aura around his body like Luffy does. Is that a Zoan thing since people like Doflamingo didn’t have it while using awakened abilities. Or is it a sign that you have fully mastered your Awakening or something. -With Sentomaru, Kizaru and (presumably) Kuma all about to show up, all we need is Rayleigh to and we have all the people involved with the fighting during the Straw Hat separation together again. Maybe Kuma will pull a reverse of that situation and make the people opposing Luffy disappear? -Waiting for Seraphim Hancock to ally with Luffy since Vegapunk has stated it’s hard to overwrite personalities. And Hancock’s simping is probably such a strong part of her personality it even becomes part of her clone.
I feel like there is a retcon with the beast jailers or more of a clarification because the beast jailers are completely consumed by their Zoan fruits. That's why they act purely on instinct and why they don't have the cloud thing on their backs. Lucci only has a regular carnivorous Zoan so assuming the beast jailers actually had control over themselves that they would have a similar design.
@@thenewoneluv That would make Luffy's gear 4 an awakening though? I was under the impression gear 5th was Luffy's awakening. Also, is there any proof Yamato's fruit was ever awakened?
You’ll also notice that the space pirates that attack enel from the chapter covers have a Jolly Roger with a skull who’s cranium is inflated alot like vegapunks head.
Your last point made me realise that the marines chose to use s-snake to attack amazon lily probably to limit test how much the orders given to the seraphem can override their original personaliti since s-snake would be essentially attacking her family and herself
Vegapunk was saying it comes from the dreams of people in other worlds, he basically wrote himself into the story as he literally designed these characters like "What if a man was made of rubber" "What if a man was made of magma?" And writing them into his grand story. I LOVE ONE PIECE 😆😆
Something that occurred to me is that luffy’s gear five may make him able to overcome that drawback by rubberising the ocean so that the water tension doesn’t break and instead would just bounce on the water like it was jello.
Imu Umi= sea I think alot of people have already pointed out this coincidence, but i can add a bit more to it. Imu-sama was born from the sea's hatred towards devil fruits, she is essentially one with the sea. She cant "control" the sea but she has deep connection to it, they share the same emotions towards devil fruit users which is loathe. She hates people with D in their names because they are the Dreamers, their ancestors were the reason devil fruits became a reality. They are the enemy of god which is the sea, not the celestial dragons.
We need to find out why the sea rejects devil fruits. I personally think it's more about the nature of devil fruits themselves being actually unnatural in the One Piece world rather than the mother sea itself hating them
Whether devil fruits come into existence through metaphysical means or physical ones, I love Vegapunk's theory about it. So many theories online give very specific and detail explanations that make them sound more like science fiction, but that's not one piece, it has elements of it, but one piece is a romantic fantasy, and this ties so beautifully to the main themes of the series, dreams and wills, this basically makes DFs the dreams the people of the past had for humanity. I'm also soooooo down for the sea to become a more relevant existence in the story, with more lore to it. Finally I love how Oda has handled Vegapunk, before we met him he was a vague existence that we could expect to have the answers to everything, but Oda showed us he's a person like everybody else, with his own story and circumstances. From the reason why he joined the WG instead of the freedom fighters which make him more interesting and continues to make the political and moral side of one piece so interesting, cuz it's not just pure black and white, to the answers he's been able to give us, while not really telling us the full truth, cuz it wouldn't make sense for him to know all of that without reaching laugh tale, and that would also just devalue the moment where we learn the true history so much. This arc continues to be so amazing!!! Also I get why you wanted Lucci to punch Luffy, but I just think Lucci shouldn't be able to do that up to that point, and more than him starting the fight, I think it was more of Lucci understanding it was imposible for Luffy to look the other way and not get involved, of course he was going to fight him.
You talking about the trope of a sentient sea made me think of the Battle of Edd War between the Roger Pirates and Golden Lion Shiki. Shiki’s fleet heavily outnumbered the Roger Pirates until out of nowhere Shiki and his fleet were basically swallowed up by the ocean from massive waves of a storm. I always wondered if Roger or one of his crew members had some crazy ability that caused this, but maybe it was some type of Mother Nature force in play? 🤔
You remember the scene back in Punk Hazard when the crew were running away from the slime salamander of Ceasar, then just randomly shown was the scene on the wagon were stacks of apples were there then one of the apples just changed its appearance and suddenly turned into a devil fruit? It was so random and out of place it did not even have any importance during that arc. BUT, given the explanation of Vegapunk, that's probably how DFs manifest. The desires of the people of the past are expressed as DF in the future. So it's not like a Genie that if you wish it, it will appear right in front of you. Instead, it will appear at a random place in a random time that you probably even won't know about. That's probably also why most of the time you don't know which kind of DF you've eaten unless you tried it because of the countless possibility of human desires. Or it could also just be that's how a DF reappear after it's previous owner died or something. THE POINT is, we're already introduced on how DFs just randomly pop-out or turned into from an already existing fruit. Praise Oda for his foreshadowing and consistency.
Its been a little over a month since Kuma was freed, if I remember correctly. SHs spent about 3 weeks on Wano, which was when the reverie started, and we can assume its probably been a week of travel to get to Egghead.
its even better than that, when sogeking, king of sniper island, shot the WG flag luffy declared war with a very "oh well" attitude. lucci has now done the same thing essentially
The time lapse from the Reverie too now is roughly two weeks, the Onigashima raid happened 1 week after the Reverie and Luffy and Zoro took 5 days to wake up from the fight + the travel to Egghead. And the fight for energy source starting wars wasn't only about One Piece it's Oda talking about the real world through the story.
I like the idea that dreams manifest devil fruits, cause it explains the Paramecia class. Why would someone make the Jacket-Jacket fruit, that doesn't seem like a project someone would do on a whim. But because they could be manifested into being, cause someone wanted to be more than themselves. It also relates to the idea of Haki which is will, so if Devil Fruits are dreams and haki is will it would make Luffy's journey much more impact full. He dreams of being the freest man but does he have the will to see it through, same coin of why haki cancels out devil fruits. Its the will to destroy dreams, your will verses mine, whose is greater. I never liked the idea of devil fruits being Science experiments
The "starting a war" parallel makes more sense with Luffy ordering Sogeking to shoot the World Government flag in Ennies Lobby (Lucci being present right there) than by punching the Tenryubito in Sabaody.
Not sure if that would work, honestly. Gotta remember that Hancock didn't just fall in love at first sight with Luffy, it was a response to his actions and personality.
The reason why Lucci immediately attacked Atlas with one of his stronger attacks was likely because he wanted to take her out before she could order S Bear. It is likely that he would keep doing that with any other Vegapunk that showed up. Vegapunk has to physically be there to order them and if so then Lucci can easily take them out. So in a way, S Bear could be there to draw them out. Then Lucci just has to order the Seraphim to stand down if any orders did get through.
I know nothing about American accents nor where Merphy was growing up, but 18:18 sounded like something very regional brought straight from the childhood
These chapters are so intriguingly mysterious! Everything Vegapunk says is so open to interpretation at this point. But one thing that I really love is that the awakened Lucci now has the divine attributes (of the flames wrapping around him like the flowing band that Japanese gods are oftern portrayed with) that Luffy got for gear 4. Does this mean he too can become some sort of god? Do more fruits have this ability? Does ALL of them? Although I don't recall Katakuri having the divine flowing band of flames or other that Luffy and Lucci have, despite also being awakened. And I mean, Enel did put a ring of drums around him as if he were Raijin, but that wasn't precisely caused by his fruit, heh. I talked a little about what I thought about the translation in a thread below, but I'll put it here too in case more people are interested: In Japanese it litarally says "the rubber fruit, something like that" // "old/ancient devil fruit reference book(s?) in it it/(them?) is not recorded", so it's hard to tell if he's comparing it to one or more recent ones, or even if he's comparing it to any at all! Or if there are several old reference books, at that. Japanese generally doesn't use plural, or definite articles. Also, he doesn't say that the Nika fruit was included in that reference book, but that "[(This) very likeness of a god] is only recorded in old/ancient manuscrips". He uses a different word for the writings in which it was recorded. A lot of what is said in this chapter can be interpreted in several (correct) ways at this point, and it's just really hard to tell which the contextually correct version is before we get more information. I don't envy the official translators! Personally, I think that Vegapunk means that devil fruits are the "possibilities resulting from someone's wish of human development" in a general way, rather than specifically. Or at least that Oda wants to leave it linguistically a bit uncertain in order to make future revelations! I think the second part of what he says can be translated (literally, that is, not a translation you'd want to put in a finished work) as "In the multidute of futures of humanity there are abilites". To summarise, I think that he's saying that the dreams and wishes of various humans can result in a devil fruit in one of the possible futures in which humanity develops. And as of yet it's not clear what the process actually is. (I do work as a translator, although thankfully not for One Piece).
11:23-11:30 So everyone seems to be disagreeing on the translation. I have heard multiple people saying that it says something along the lines of all devil fruits were dreamed up by someone from a different dimension. And now a big theory is that Oda did a self-insert into the story.
CP0 are not stupid, just over confident. Vegapunk, his satellites, and Sentomaru can just simply be killed by Lucci, Kaku or Stussy. Infact using their Seraphim control to lure out the other Vegapunks to kill them seems like a pretty sound strategy.
I don’t think they were planning to use the seraphim to kill Vegapunk. If vegapunk teleports away, I’m pretty sure the authority chip takes effect again. Extrapolating off of what happened to Atlas and Sentomaru, this mission was going to be very easy for them, but then… the Straw Hats happened.
Returning the seraphim to Vegapunk was part of CP0's sneak attack plan to assassinate him. Apparently Lucci is stupid for not predicting that the strawhats would be on egghead island to stop them LOL. Nice take
17:30 And it's obvious! Who wouldn't put a failsafe so that their own weapon isn't used against him? And I'm positive that's the officially announce hierarchy, but the real one has Dragon in the list, based on Kuma's actions when he was taken to Kamabaka. And of course, the Celestial Dragons are below both VP and Dragon
BIG thing I need to mention, Oda uses backwards spelling a lot, like with Elbaf/Fable. Imu is Umi spelled backwards, and Umi means Mother/Sea translated from Japanese. Rejected by the sea, the mother of nature, I'm sure you can see where my theorizing is going!
10:43 I wonder if Oda was trying to connect an idea from the real world (wars of resources) to One Piece (as he often does, like racism, discrimination, etc.) but due to not showing it in his story, it missed the mark a little? 20:27 Admittedly, if Vegapunk teleported to command the Seraphim, it would give CP0 an opportunity to kill him. My thought that they won’t truly be in control is that Atlas is said to still be alive on the battlefield, so later on, she may command the Seraphim to turn again. But I think this is something to make CP0 more of a threat and this arc to have more stakes. After all, I think most people were thinking Luffy would wipe the floor with Lucci. But if Lucci was awakened… and there’s 3-4 Seraphim against Luffy… and 2 Seraphim intimidated (but didn’t defeat) Blackbeard… it would be a somewhat valid match up for Luffy to fight more seriously (since he’s kind of been not taking it too seriously). Edit: Also, Kizaru too!
I'm glad that they didn't make the comparison between Luffy and Lucci. When Luffy punched Carlos in Sabaody it was impactful not only because of its implications but also because of what Luffy represents as a character. Having Lucci do the same thing here would make that moment feel less significant for me. We all read in different ways and I respect that, I just want to point out my perspective. Besides that I strongly recommend reading goodnight punpun. I read it a couple of years ago and still think about it every now and then. However it gets extremely emotional so be ready for that if you decide to pick it up.
"People's dreams never end" Also, at the end of Jaya when the StrawHats escaped Blackbeard's pursuit, Van Auger said: "All things in this world are cogs that move in tune to strong desires".
Gaimon: The One Piece is already a dream within a dream within a legend Ussop in Jaya referring to Sky Island: Sky Island is a dream in a dream! And we all know Skypeia was real
Honestly ive been having a thought that vegapunk could be wrong about the past, the kingdom was advanced but not technologically, look at the remnants they left, large monoliths with a written history, a giant ark, and ancient weapons that all seem to be some sort of natural power to control animals. Not to mention the giant robot that no matter what science vegapunk uses he cant get it to work. Maybe the ancient kingdom were magical and this is just vegapunks perfectionist streak making him say “theres no way i invented this”
9:55 Oil is energy, Merph. While in One Piece has not been specifically shown, in any world the main reason for war will be the limited natural resource, and based in our lifestyle, that resource will always be energy. You are right that it's never been brought up before in the story, but no reason for the few wars we've seen has been brought up (except Marineford)
Not to mention just after doffy was defeated, oda did showed how resource-less countries had been in war to get some more resources and were dependent on doffy to get weapons.. same happened when germa 66 was introduced as a hired party in some other wars.
7:00 Maybe Kuma just heard when Lucci said "let's just terminate her on sight" when talking about Bonney (1067), his daughter, so he is running to try to save her once again.
I am convinced that VP's explanation for devil fruits is related to the numerous biologically unusual humanoid tribes that exist in the world like the tontottas or the long arms tribe. VP suggests that devil fruits are the ideas that went too far, so the ones that didn't created viable subspecies of humans.
My theory is that Blackbeard has something to do with it the disappearing CP ships. After Water 7 we went to Thriller Bark where ships “mysteriously” kept disappearing. Last time we saw Moria was when he faced off against BB, and we know that Egghead is close to where we last saw BB and where he’s keeping Koby
I think the reason CP0 brought S-Bear is because that was the pretext for their arrival to the island. They were still trying to act like the only reason they came to the island was to return S-Bear. Maybe if they knew that Vegapunk had already figured out their plan, they wouldn't have bothered bringing him. Also, they probably assume that they could easily overpower Vegapunk, so that his higher position on the Seraphim command hierarchy would be moot. And I guess they figured they could easily take out Sentomaru as well, which seems to be the case given what Lucci did to him.
I believe it is as connected to willpower as Haki . I think Haki has established the power of will in one piece and I think that there's a natural transition there that could explain devil fruits.
love the amount of lore and backstories we're being bombarded with. and love how luffy's yoko status makes even CP0 and lucci need to be careful. and making lucci awakened is a great way to get lucci up to at least a level where he can engage in sparring with luffy in his current state. we did get a luffy-punches-lucci panel where luffy punches through the floor through lucci or something like that.
About the devil fruits. I think is not just "i want to be a jacket" and more like "I want to have a jacket because I have no cloths" or "I want a palace to live" or " I wish I could eat anything so I couldnt be hundry" type of thing
Concerning the energie issue: I agree that, this 'we fight over energy sources' thing wasn't talked about nearly enough in the past to feel that important. My point of view: People started wars for different reasons (or so they think) only Vegapunk saw those wars for what they really are : fights over energy sources. Even the participants might think, they fight over political or economic power but VP understands that, if provided with enough energy all these issues would disappear.
@ order of command: An awakened Lucci surely is able to clear this up, if it wouldn't be for Luffy being present. I feel like the order getting explained was more for us than anything. They were prepared, brought S-Bear with them, and with the limitation of orders not being able to get into a Seraphim via a Den-Den Mushi, Sentomaru and/or Satellites/Stella need to be present, literally in line of sight of CP0 to effectively order any Seraphim, which puts them into assassination range. And while Stussy and Kaku might be able to hold off some number of Seraphims for x amount of time, Awakened Lucci slips past the defenses and kills / makes one of he higher-ups in order unable to speak. Only Sentomaru seems to be able to fight with all we know right now, so killing any Vegapunk body on sight should be easy for a ruthless, speedy, awakened assassin. Kaku makes this hierarchy reveal look like they're stupid indeed, but if Luffy wasn't there, be sure that CP0 would succeed easily.
18:09 s-bear was a pretense to enter the island, they can't just enter the island "hey punk we r here for sightseeing" and it was supposed to be an assassination mission, so it doesn't matter if they have to take the very weapon which can go against they have to take that much risk at least but vegapunk already knew that also I don't think they would be able to enter the island without s-bear powers
Seeing your videos just always makes me smile your the best Merph🤙🏿 + I think CP0 knows Vegapunk can turn the Seraphim on them but they also think they can kill Vegapunk before he can say anything which without luffy could be true as well
Merphy i dont know if people already told you, but you need to watch the videos of OP from Melon Teee, i think you will love it, they are about characters and world, and like you, she isnt about the fights but about everythig else
yeah the vegapunks could give an order to the seraphim, but that would be super risky because they can't do it through a denden mushi. Atlas, the most physically capable fighter of the punks, got offed in an instant.
Talking about the Ocean all the time I feel like you might enjoy "The swarm. A novel of the deep." and its companion work "Nachrichten aus einem unbekannten Universum" (looks like the latter is not available in english)
I'm honestly fine with the idea of Devil Fruits essentially being manifestations of people's dreams. Oda puts heavy emphasis on the importance of dreams and their power. A united theme for a lot of the major characters is that their motivated by and truly believe in them. Luffy and Blackbeard are introduced as polar opposites, but the one thing they agree on is the importance of dreams. It fits that as physical manifestations of dreams, the Devil Fruits are so powerful and limitless in their possibilities.
It also fits because Blackbeard never sleeps and therefore cannot dream. Plus, the darkness fruit *chose* BB because BB best represents darkness. He cannot dream literally
I think when it came to the Hierarchy maybe CP0 was betting on A. killing the Vegapunks without them activating the seraphim, B. Pressure Sentomaru to turn on Vegapunk, or C. get S. Bear to kill all people above their own hierarchy before they had a chance to activate the other seraphim. Of course they could never have predicted the unpredictable force of nature that was Monkey D. Luffy
Two things: 1. Kuma was on Mariejois during the Reverie, Bonney saw him. It was during this event that the Revolutionary Army rescued him, and Reverie ran while the Strawhats were on Wano. So unless you're making the claim that the SH stayed on Wano for 2 months after Reverie was concluded (a hard sell for me) I'm pretty sure Kuma is more like 2 weeks free from captivity. 2. Vegapunk has claimed that he's made his inventions while chasing the technological advancements of 800 years ago, and Vegapunk has successfully synthesized Devil Fruits. So I wonder if Devil Fruits weren't manmade by a certain lost Kingdom. Or weren't made in response to a certain lost Kingdom's Ancient Weapons. I definitely feel like they have to be connected to the Will of D, though. I've always thought that stood for "the Will of the Devil".
what do you think Luffy's Dream is? My criteria: 1 -It's very Luffy like (Nami said it's very like him) 2 -It needs to be weird and backward, illogical (Usopp and Sanji were questioning his reasoning) 3 -Almost impossible to achieve 4 -Gol D. Roger could have the same dream -Being King of the pirates does not guaranty it but makes it possible (Luffy claim that it would be possible if he would be a PK, Frankie says he needs to be PK to have a chance) 5 -It needs to be childish 6 -Shocking and ridicules 7 -Needs to be somehow already alluded to I think the perfect fit is "I want to eat for free wherever I go" 1. it's very like Luffy (eating connected to freedom) 2. The logic that if he is great, then everybody would want to buy him a meal 3. kind of as much impossible as it gets, (maybe if you steal, but Luffy is a Pirate for a reason too) 4. God D Roger was not trying to rule the world, he wanted to be GREAT to achieve his dream. "Eating for free" the same logic as Luffy 5. It's very childish 6. If some child said that, it would be funny. But if someone had it as a serious goal, it would be shocking 7. In every arc, Luffy is feed by someone for free, and then he helps them. I think it's very strong foreshadowing
The part about devil fruits is extra cool because it means that devil fruits are literally inherited will. It lines up with the themes of the series as well as Gear 5 does.
I can't stress enough how happy I am to learn that you're going to review Vagabond. You'll finally see how much of a masterpiece this is and we're going to be able to share it with you
You were spot on with the parallel, but gave the wrong example with Charlos. In Ennis Lobby they burned the world government flag and were told, “this symbolizes a declaration of war” and the Straw Hats not caring about the consequence.
Tbh I think the way Oda drew this "skirmish" is the absolute best way it could have been portrayed. Not because of thematical likenesses but for the same reason CP0 *shouldn't* have engaged to begin with; Luffy is a yonko. He just defeated "the strongest creature in the world", so it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever if there even was a miniscule challenge. Even if Lucci has become stronger the bar Luffy has set is so ridiculously high an actual hit would undermine all of his development as a fighter. Also, I think it's been heavily hinted that the reason the government ships disappeared has been due to the cyborg sea kings as Lilith mentioned they have eaten ships in the past due to inability to remove all emotions from living specimen.
I would love for you to rereview the Reverie Arc, Levely Arc. There are a couple things you missed to talk about, and One thing in particular. There's a moment where we see the kings and queens at the meeting and Shirahoshi is about to be enslaved by our most hated celestial dragon, only to be saved by another celestial dragon... The same celestial dragon from Fishman Island that the queen saved all those years ago.. And, I think that its a bit surprising that you never talked about a moment like that when it meant the queens actions impacted such an evil person. I'd also love to hear you talk about the connection between this and Fishman Island, Thank you!
You brought up a good thing about luffy/Rogers dream being so important. Could there be a devil fruit which encompasses that dream? I still think there might be a chance that devil fruits are inspired by the Nordic mythology of utgard loki who could make illusions by manifesting things such as concepts into beings in order to win a competition against thor. He made a wildfire as a person to win an eating competition (which’s sounds like ace and his logia). Made the personification of thought to win a race as thought was faster than action (which is like a paramecia) and made the world serpent as a kitty cat and challenged thor to lift it up (which reminds me of mythical zoans). Earlier one shots of one piece state that devil fruits come from the ‘illusion tree’ so it make sense as being illusions. Vegapunk even says they devil fruits are kind of in another world to put reality.
I think the statement about the devil fruits supports a theory I've had for a while that they're basically the ultimate form of haki. We've already seen stuff like Sanji igniting himself or Zoro's demon form thing, and I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that those are related to conqueror's haki. The way I see it, they're using their willpower to create these effects and the stronger their will gets the more their powers will resemble fruit powers. And I think if someone manages to fully realize a power like that then when they die the power stays behind and condenses into a fruit, and it's connected to the whole inherited will theme since the fruits are basically made of someone else's residual willpower. So basically I think it's less like saying "hey, I wish I had a power" and having a fruit suddenly appear, and more that your haki becomes so strong that you can use it to manifest a power which then remains behind as a fruit after your death.
While I get your point about the command structure, the impression I got was that the controller needed to be physically present to give orders and not have them overridden. And Lucci's actions seem to inform this. The instant he spots someone higher in the chain than them he instantly one-shots them. Atlas. Sentoumaru (which you did pronounce correctly!) Both of them he went hard and fast at the first opportunity. Speaking of control, I wonder if Oda will use S-Snake to paralell Hancock in some way. Hancock obeyed Government orders out of a love for Luffy. I wonder if love likewise will be what allows S-Snake to instead *disobey* orders, whether a love of her father(s? mothers? parents?) Vegapunk or if she develops a precocious schoolgirl crush on Luffy. Admittedly, this is mostly in service to my own desire to see Hancock and S-Snake interact. Whether they a) bond over Luffy, b) fight over Luffy, or c) Hancock declaring S-Snake her and Luffy's child when first seeing her white hair next to Gear 5th's. I just want S-Snake to be free and have the childhood Hancock never did.
One of the things that interested me in these chapters was that vegapunk mentioned that his inventions could be spread around the world with an "eternal flame." In the OP world this would be possible if law used his power to grant eternal youth to a certain person with a fire devil fruit...!
Merphy just because Sentomaru claims he has the strongest defense doesn’t mean he does. Once upon a time Don Krieg said he was the strongest man in the world.
Also Kaido was said to never lose
Laido 😊
@@boshman11 it was said in a 1v1, always bet on kaido, and he never lost a 1v1.
@@boshman11 it took literal hax and multiple opponents to take down Waido.
@@boshman11 took half the damn island to take him out
@@boshman11 15 people + an entire Mink army took him down, not to mention Luffy 4 times 😭
Luffy still isn’t stronger than Kaido either
The thing about natural resources not being explained as a main reason for war in One Piece is definitely true. Because it wasn't explained but rather explicitly shown in Alabasta, where the conflict was born out of the lack of water or the battle for the single spec of earth in Skypia. And even Wano was a battle for resources from Kaido's perspective. So there definitely has been some buildup before.
This is a good point - I thought it was new but in retrospect it’s not
Those resources weren't used as energy sources though. Alabasta needed water to not die of thirst, in Skypiea the earth was holy or part of their history/a promise. Kaido was producing weapons (or at least gathering the resources for weapons) in Wano to get money and expand his influence/control.
Resources have always been important but they were never used to "create energy" to do something else.
@@Simar94 Vearth was only holy to the Shandians, who got blown up to Skypeia. To the native Skypeians, Vearth was an incredibly valuable resource because plants cannot germinate on island clouds.
@@Simar94yeah, resources for energy is definitely a new angle, I wonder if Oda’s planning on introducing that in Elbaf, the Giants already worship a Sun God and suns have been linked to energy in recent chapters considering Vegapunk’s heat powered lab and etc
I agree, but it definitely could have been set up a little more clearly imo
I'm actually just proud that Merph has caught up with the latest chapters and is just as obsessed as many of us 🤣
I don’t know why, but merphy saying,
“S-Bear kill!”
“S-Bear no!”
Made me laugh so hard!
literally i had this open while chatting in another tab, and i laughed hard enough to pause and check who else might have said something about this already
Knowing Oda's style, he is usually very straight forward and when he says things he means them in the most literal way. So i'm thinking maybe in the ancient kingdom there was a scientific way of creating devil fruits, and people literally wished for powers to be made for them. This will also explain why the other nations united against them, because they had a fearsome technology.
Also Vegapunk was surprised about the Gum-Gum-Fruit because it was not in the OLD encyclopedia (it's in the new one obviously as a cover up)... which suggests that new DFs cannot be "born" anymore. So it's pretty likely that all DFs were born or created around that time. How... we will have to see.
@@benediktmathes2528 actually scan translations vs viz media has vegapunk say ‘it’s not in any known devil fruit encyclopaedias’ so it’s not in any books at all.
@@benediktmathes2528 wouldn't it suggest the opposite of that? If it can't be found in a book, it could be a more recently created fruit
@@menderbug1 It's not a new fruit, the Government officially named the fruit "Gum-Gum-Fruit" so that people didn't know about its awakened form.
@@felixowen2693 The scanlation makes more sense imo.
Viz interpretation:
There are multiple versions coming out, most likely because there are new infos on fruits. This would mean that new fruits are created or discovered. But it would make no sense for Vegapunk to frame it that way, because why would you not just say "in the books", why specifically talk about old ones? Because the natural conclusion if several versions came out, that the newest one is the most reliable. Also that would mean the newest encyclopedia also does not have infos about the Gum-Gum, which kinda contradicts chapter 1, where Shanks calls it that.
Scanlation interpretation:
There are 2 encyclopedias. One old one (the original) which included the Nika fruit but no Gum-Gum... and a new one, to cover up the Nika fruit. There it would make sense to specifically say the old one has no mention of the Gum-Gum, because pretty sure people knew about the Gum-Gum because of the new encyclopedia. Shanks for example calls it that in chapter 1.
Would be nice from someone with Japanese knowledge to know which is the correct translation, but I would guess the scanlation one.
While I still think CP0 were portrayed as dummies in this chapter, they did say that orders told by Den Den Mushi would not work, which is why they had to attack Sentomaru and why they can't just have one of the 5 Elders order them via phone.
This means that Vegapunk would need to be present in front of CP0 (his personal sent killers) and order the seraphims around faster thank any 3 of then can kill him, which, considering Lucci somehow got past Luffy while he was distracted to hurt Sentomaru, is very improbable.
That still doesn’t make sense. Doesn’t Vega have some around him. And he will see them and order them from afar. Lucci is fast but he’s not faster than the speed of sound fast. Even then Lucci can assume he has the entire straw hat crew aka the same crew that packed him up and is now a yonko and has a fleet of 1000s. I think the explaination is simple. Lucci is just straight forward and was like ehh I’ll take em out and them getting in the way whatever. Like in real life going to take on the smartest man in the world on their own island. They needed to send an admiral. But this is world government. Same people who sent one admiral to pack up a yonko crew on their territory. Same people who let luffy go free with minor issue when they know he had the special fruit. Also they let shanks take the fruit and while shanks was on a rink dink island they didn’t buster call it and sink the island.
The point about the other CP agents attempting to come to Egghead is also interesting because it potentially ties back to Wano. If we remember one of Orochi's demands was he wanted Vegapunk and at the time we assumed the WG never brought him just because they didn't want to. With this new information it seems like maybe they were actually trying to nab & bring him at the time but he kept sinking all the ships they sent to pick him up. Cool stuff.
22:10 In Lucci's defence, he is an awakened zoan. Remember the beast guards of Impel Down? They were basically braindead because of their zoan fruits awakening. Lucci is handling it WAY better than them
Yeah vegapunk said awakened zoans change the personality of the user.
The thing is that Lucchi is NOT sorry that he started a war. This is the major difference between the two.
The major difference is that Lucci can't hit Luffy.
Loved the chapters and I love the "Mother nature" inclusion and also the idea it could be a reference to IMU (UMI is Sea in Japanese, Ummi can be Mother in Arabic). Imu hating Devil fruit users will make a lot of sense and explain a lot.
I believe the ship disappearing could be because of Lilith and her robot (The shark). When she met the Strawhat, she mentioned how she could not override the primal instinct of the shark, so it was eating and destroying ships. Interesting words when we think about what Vegapunk said about Zoan taking control of the user during an awakening.
I think Vegapunk speech about conflict and energy has not much to do with what we currently live in the One Piece world, but what happened in the past (Void century) and the history of humanity in general. As a scientist who is fascinated by the Void century, maybe he is seeing a bigger picture and questions like energy and resources seem to be key at that time.
Not going too much into details, but the Space Pirates (ties with Vegapunk) and Enel Cover story was about energy (Enel devil fruit reviving a city) and Resources (we learn people from the moon ran out of ressources ).
Also, Vegapunk is saying it to Luffy who is from Foosha Village (Windmill) which is an energy based Island, using Wind. Vegapunk's buddy, Luffy's father, the most wanted man in the story, seems to control wind. Coincidences? I will let you come to your own conclusion, like Rayleigh 😄
oooo really good points here esp about his perspective being informed by the Void Century
Imu is the mother and devil fruits are the gifts a father gives to their children that the mother doesn’t agree with
ruclips.net/video/rsSGumJemuE/видео.html
I did find this video going into that Imu theory more which I love.
@@merphynapier42 This is also "kind of" backed up from the Enel cover story, where you can see that the 3 sky races came down from the moon becuase they lacked resources [energy], which could definitely be connected to what happened during the void century.
It may not pan out that way. You can't easily pull "Imu" out of "umi" due to how Japanese phonemes work. You'd get "miu" (mee-oo) before you'd get "Imu". That's because "mu" is not only a syllabus but also a single, *indivisible* phoneme.
Lucci has always been one of my favorite antagonists in OP, and I find it interesting that he has directly disobeyed orders from the government. I would not be surprised if he is going to be punished. His moral ambiguity and bloodlust are unmatched, and rare by government standards.
Also, gotta love the fourth wall break about Oda himself. That was incredible
What was the fourth wall break ? I didn't catch it in the chapter
@@mohammedraihaaan2251 When Vegapunk elaborates on his theory on the origin of Devil Fruits, he infers that those with powers represent different branches of human evolution, which were dreamed up by "someone else before them". That "someone" is most likely rhetorical in the context of the story, but also acts as a wink to Oda
I think the reason Lucci is acting the way he is now is because after his encounter with Luffy and the cover story involving CP9, he has become more a fighter than typical assassin. More so he’s thinking in the line of I wanna test my strength against the only person to beat me and considering Luffy is a Yonko makes it even more appealing to Lucci.
That’s crazy. Luffy’s advanced future sight, advanced conquerors haki coating & advanced ryuoh + gear 5 awakening, even with Kaku, Stussy & the seraphim they’re still no match he is a god & Yonko. Zoro vs Kizaru incoming & Kuma will most probably beat the lights out of Cp0 cos they were there when Kuma was being abused by St Carlos & his dad at Mariejoa it’s time for a come back
@@jarinxcii263 yeah luffy plot armour is stronger than roger and wb combined. Imo
@@shlomoshlomo963 jesus christ being strongest doesn't mean plot armour
@@shlomoshlomo963 pel and kianmon has more plot armor than luffy 😂
I was absolutely giddy reading the latest chapters. I love gear 5, I love the parallels and how reckless lucci has gotten, I love vegapunk. These latest chapters are everything I’ve wanted and more.
Petition to have Merphy write a One Piece fan fiction story!
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Bonney, Strawhats, Kizaru, Sentomaru, and Kuma makes this a mini-Archipelago AND mini-Ennis Lobby reunion. I'm really excited by how Oda is going to draw a thematic thread through those arcs. There's also Ohara to connect! Cannot wait to see where he takes this.
I don't think Lucci attacked first. Rather he realized Luffy wouldn't stand down when he saw Atlas.
Lucci says, "fighting them is not a good idea" and also asks Luffy to back off since he understands Luffy's personality.
Also, it will be hard draw the parallel between Luffy and Lucci because there's no way straw hats are gonna go after the WG for a single punch and I also don't think Lucci has enough sway for that.
If we consider Kizaru then it's possible but not Lucci.
@@Rj.1101 CP0 are expendable as any Navy recruit, they just have extra previliges, that's all.
this was my thought too. Obviously he could have retreated and chosen not to fight back so there is still a little bit of him choosing to engage and disobey orders but Luffy was def coming at him first
Here's the thing about Lucci's actions, though: They're perfectly in character, because he doesn't care. He doesn't care about hierarchy or anything, he just wants to kill things. He fights Luffy without orders because he doesn't care about orders, he just wants to kill Luffy. He doesn't care if it could start a war, he probably WANTS a war so he can kill more people. He's got a very one track mind, and that track is "murder".
I never got that impression from him, as some sort of psychotic mass murderer. He has no problem killing, sure, like that flashbackthing where he took out an entire ship as a kid. But I doubt he'd just go around murdering random people if he could
I don't totally agree with this take, yes Lucci has killed a lot and gives the impression to actually enjoy murdering people, but the part where he "doesn't care" is where I disagree, after all if he didn't care about orders then he wouldn't have waited 5 years undercover in Water 7, Lucci is loyal to the goverment in most cases, but in the the mini stories he went from an assasin to more of a fighter/brawler, and in this situation where he is facing the guy who gave him his first and only defeat, it makes sense that he seeks revenge or to prove himself better than Luffy, not because he is a pshyco killer, but because of his ego/pride.
Basically he acts in character, but I see his motivations in a different way, maybe it's just me
@@oscarlobo8033 i think of it like lucci is loyal to the WG because they let him kill people, if he didnt follow their orders he'd just be killed or imprisoned, but fighting luffy is a golden opportunity, a yonko level opponent who previously beat him? theres no better fight than that in the world so theres nothing that would stop him from taking it, luffy is literally the most important fight lucci could EVER find, its like a zoro vs mihawk fight, or a luffy vs BB fight from lucci's perspective, theres nothing more worth disobeying the WG for than this.
The starting the war is also symbolic and a reflection on what Luffy did when he declared war on TWG when they went to rescue Robin
Remember how Roger said he wished he lived in Joyboy’s era? This may mean Joyboy’s era was when the Devil Fruits were created and everyone was going wild. This could be viewed as a fun and funny time to live. The world was turned upside down and thrown into chaos by the Ancient Kingdom spreading these creations. It would be very difficult for the WG to collect every DF since the fruits are seemingly spawned at random, except for Zoans that appear to be drawn to likewise wills.
I think Stussy specializes in infiltration and must've infiltrated Vegapunks lab as a scientist in the past to spy on him (like how CP-9 were assigned to Iceburg).
This would also nicely tie in to her gag of withholding information until after the fact lol.
One small moment I loved was when we got confirmation that momonosuke's devil fruit originated from Kaido's, but Vegapunk considers it a failure just because it was the wrong color. It can still fly and breathe deadly fire, but it came out pink instead of blue. Just shows you how much of a perfectionist this big brain man is.
I'm also more subscribed to the idea that VP was referring to individual df's being born more out of necessity than wishful thinking (even the jacket-jacket- fruit lol).
And I always love it when Oda romanticizes an idea and dedicates a double page spread to it (like when VP talks about it not mattering whether a God exists because this world is already so magnificent or when Mont Blanc Cricket romanticized adventuring the unknown or Romance Dawn).
I can imagine "To the Grandline" playing in the background.
I don’t think it’s just one person wanting something though. I think it’s a collective of enough people desiring something.
Idk what the jacket jacket fruit could be? Maybe desire for clothing or unity with another person?
But what about whitebeards fruit? Who desires a natural disaster?
Egghead Island being simultaneously the first arc of the last saga as well as the parallel arc to Sabaody, which started the Marineford Saga, is just so much fun.
I absolutely loved every single chapter of this so far^^
Though energy being the cause of wars is not often at the forefront of the story, if you choose to view "energy" as natural resources it can become more clear to see.
Drum Island - Wapol's plan to rise further into power was hoarding the country's most valueable resource to himself (the doctors). Though this isn't as strong depending on if you can reason that humans count as resources.
Alabasta - The main conflict began over a water shortage
Skypiea - Enel hoarded Vearth for himself, which is the most valueable resource in the Sky Islands because it is the only soil they have to grow anything. This is a large part in why the Shandians rally to fight him.
Whole Cake Island - Islands are ransacked with their entire militaries left in shambles for a literal grocery run. Additionally, the entire reason Big Mom holds territory outside of Totoland is because she wants islands dedicated to giving her sweets.
Wano - Kaido's planned war could only be fought using the natural resources of Wano
etc.
I read weekly in Japanese, and I agree with O'Hara (or at least what you say Liam said O'Hara said since I haven't seen that). Vega Punk's speech becomes very poetic and aggrandizing during the Devil Fruit lore dump. Also he's being a good deal more vague, as Japanese tends to be, than he is in English. The way I read it, nothing he said was intended to be taken literally. That said, one of Oda's most common tricks is to take something that is a gag, an exaggeration or really anything figurative and making it a fact of the world.
Also: "Everything that a person can imagine is a possibility in reality" -Physicist, Willie Gallon
It metaphorically sounds like dreams. I think the view about dimensions and evolution bit is ridiculous by the fandom. It is just another way to describe dreams to me and the fans taking it as literal evolution or multiple dimensions which you can just take as a dream world
It sucks, I remember watching the ultimate one piece theory where ohara talks with the Japanese one piece theorist and you realise just how much of oda’s magnificent writing is missed out on because of the language barrier. You don’t get the clever foreshadowing with puns and word play.
Tbh, I think the reason he jumped in so quickly was because its Luffy. I imagine that Lucci still straight up just wants to beat Luffy, because he is probably his greatest defeat in his mind. Like he beat him in their HQ at the time and took their most valuable captive ever back from them. At least that's the way I interpreted this fight
-Kaku recognised the hologram as a space monster. Confirming that people have some kind of knowledge of space. That and this whole talk of infinite power supplies (aka an electricity man) is making me wonder if the Eneru cover story is somehow going to become more relevant to the series soon. It is one of the more random cover stories after all.
-Dragon will probably be revealed to have the highest level of authority over the Seraphim during whatever war is to come with him.
-Since Sentomaru referred to Kizaru as ‘Uncle’ back in Sabaody we can assume they are related if not close to each other. So Kizaru probably won’t be too happy with Lucci when he arrives at Egghead. And since he wouldn’t have clearance to attack Luffy he may have to step in to stop Lucci. I wonder what his unrelated mission to Egghead is.
-I do wonder where Lucci’s character is going from here on.
He doesn’t seem to be as loyal to the government as he used to be.
He’s disobeyed the government by attacking Luffy and on the ship to Egghead he was beginning to ask questions about stuff he shouldn’t be. Sure he has a personal grudge against Luffy but this is also the guy who was so dedicated he spent 5 years undercover and mute as a shipwright for his mission.
-Interesting that Awakened Lucci also has that smoky aura around his body like Luffy does. Is that a Zoan thing since people like Doflamingo didn’t have it while using awakened abilities. Or is it a sign that you have fully mastered your Awakening or something.
-With Sentomaru, Kizaru and (presumably) Kuma all about to show up, all we need is Rayleigh to and we have all the people involved with the fighting during the Straw Hat separation together again.
Maybe Kuma will pull a reverse of that situation and make the people opposing Luffy disappear?
-Waiting for Seraphim Hancock to ally with Luffy since Vegapunk has stated it’s hard to overwrite personalities. And Hancock’s simping is probably such a strong part of her personality it even becomes part of her clone.
I feel like there is a retcon with the beast jailers or more of a clarification because the beast jailers are completely consumed by their Zoan fruits. That's why they act purely on instinct and why they don't have the cloud thing on their backs. Lucci only has a regular carnivorous Zoan so assuming the beast jailers actually had control over themselves that they would have a similar design.
The uncle thing is more of a translation issue. The word they use in Japanese is supposed to be referencing how Yakuza members address their seniors.
@@thenewoneluv That would make Luffy's gear 4 an awakening though? I was under the impression gear 5th was Luffy's awakening. Also, is there any proof Yamato's fruit was ever awakened?
You’ll also notice that the space pirates that attack enel from the chapter covers have a Jolly Roger with a skull who’s cranium is inflated alot like vegapunks head.
Your last point made me realise that the marines chose to use s-snake to attack amazon lily probably to limit test how much the orders given to the seraphem can override their original personaliti since s-snake would be essentially attacking her family and herself
Vegapunk was saying it comes from the dreams of people in other worlds, he basically wrote himself into the story as he literally designed these characters like "What if a man was made of rubber" "What if a man was made of magma?" And writing them into his grand story. I LOVE ONE PIECE 😆😆
The fact that the one drawback of devil fruits, that you can't swim could actually come back in a massive way gets me very excited!
Something that occurred to me is that luffy’s gear five may make him able to overcome that drawback by rubberising the ocean so that the water tension doesn’t break and instead would just bounce on the water like it was jello.
Imu
Umi= sea
I think alot of people have already pointed out this coincidence, but i can add a bit more to it.
Imu-sama was born from the sea's hatred towards devil fruits, she is essentially one with the sea. She cant "control" the sea but she has deep connection to it, they share the same emotions towards devil fruit users which is loathe. She hates people with D in their names because they are the Dreamers, their ancestors were the reason devil fruits became a reality. They are the enemy of god which is the sea, not the celestial dragons.
We need to find out why the sea rejects devil fruits. I personally think it's more about the nature of devil fruits themselves being actually unnatural in the One Piece world rather than the mother sea itself hating them
Whether devil fruits come into existence through metaphysical means or physical ones, I love Vegapunk's theory about it. So many theories online give very specific and detail explanations that make them sound more like science fiction, but that's not one piece, it has elements of it, but one piece is a romantic fantasy, and this ties so beautifully to the main themes of the series, dreams and wills, this basically makes DFs the dreams the people of the past had for humanity.
I'm also soooooo down for the sea to become a more relevant existence in the story, with more lore to it.
Finally I love how Oda has handled Vegapunk, before we met him he was a vague existence that we could expect to have the answers to everything, but Oda showed us he's a person like everybody else, with his own story and circumstances. From the reason why he joined the WG instead of the freedom fighters which make him more interesting and continues to make the political and moral side of one piece so interesting, cuz it's not just pure black and white, to the answers he's been able to give us, while not really telling us the full truth, cuz it wouldn't make sense for him to know all of that without reaching laugh tale, and that would also just devalue the moment where we learn the true history so much.
This arc continues to be so amazing!!! Also I get why you wanted Lucci to punch Luffy, but I just think Lucci shouldn't be able to do that up to that point, and more than him starting the fight, I think it was more of Lucci understanding it was imposible for Luffy to look the other way and not get involved, of course he was going to fight him.
You talking about the trope of a sentient sea made me think of the Battle of Edd War between the Roger Pirates and Golden Lion Shiki. Shiki’s fleet heavily outnumbered the Roger Pirates until out of nowhere Shiki and his fleet were basically swallowed up by the ocean from massive waves of a storm. I always wondered if Roger or one of his crew members had some crazy ability that caused this, but maybe it was some type of Mother Nature force in play? 🤔
Or an ancient weapon even?
Or could have something to do with that egg on their ship
You remember the scene back in Punk Hazard when the crew were running away from the slime salamander of Ceasar, then just randomly shown was the scene on the wagon were stacks of apples were there then one of the apples just changed its appearance and suddenly turned into a devil fruit? It was so random and out of place it did not even have any importance during that arc. BUT, given the explanation of Vegapunk, that's probably how DFs manifest. The desires of the people of the past are expressed as DF in the future. So it's not like a Genie that if you wish it, it will appear right in front of you. Instead, it will appear at a random place in a random time that you probably even won't know about. That's probably also why most of the time you don't know which kind of DF you've eaten unless you tried it because of the countless possibility of human desires. Or it could also just be that's how a DF reappear after it's previous owner died or something. THE POINT is, we're already introduced on how DFs just randomly pop-out or turned into from an already existing fruit. Praise Oda for his foreshadowing and consistency.
I think Lucci had to bring S-bear with them because he was their way in to the island and also their way out...
Its been a little over a month since Kuma was freed, if I remember correctly. SHs spent about 3 weeks on Wano, which was when the reverie started, and we can assume its probably been a week of travel to get to Egghead.
I LOVE THE PARALLEL BETWEEN LUFFY AND LUCCI (THEY STARTED "A WAR" IN DIFFERENT WAYS, FIRST IN SABAODY ARCIPELAGO, AND NOW WITH EGGISLAND 😍💖🎃🖤🤣)
Pretty sure lift started the war in enies lobby
its even better than that, when sogeking, king of sniper island, shot the WG flag luffy declared war with a very "oh well" attitude.
lucci has now done the same thing essentially
The time lapse from the Reverie too now is roughly two weeks, the Onigashima raid happened 1 week after the Reverie and Luffy and Zoro took 5 days to wake up from the fight + the travel to Egghead.
And the fight for energy source starting wars wasn't only about One Piece it's Oda talking about the real world through the story.
I like the idea that dreams manifest devil fruits, cause it explains the Paramecia class. Why would someone make the Jacket-Jacket fruit, that doesn't seem like a project someone would do on a whim. But because they could be manifested into being, cause someone wanted to be more than themselves. It also relates to the idea of Haki which is will, so if Devil Fruits are dreams and haki is will it would make Luffy's journey much more impact full. He dreams of being the freest man but does he have the will to see it through, same coin of why haki cancels out devil fruits. Its the will to destroy dreams, your will verses mine, whose is greater. I never liked the idea of devil fruits being Science experiments
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The "starting a war" parallel makes more sense with Luffy ordering Sogeking to shoot the World Government flag in Ennies Lobby (Lucci being present right there) than by punching the Tenryubito in Sabaody.
"Are you stupid!? 🤨"
Sassy Merphy is hilarious, I love this.
DAMN YOU NAILED THAT STUSSY PREDICTION
We need some Oda humor in S-Snake seeing Luffy and being in love with him. Also love S-Shark being so disinterested in fighting. Just so non-chalant.
Just imagine S-Snake hiding behind S-Shark because she has a crush on Luffy
Not sure if that would work, honestly. Gotta remember that Hancock didn't just fall in love at first sight with Luffy, it was a response to his actions and personality.
@@Jb-id1bu it’s a gag. Lol it doesn’t have to make sense.
12:30 My only beef with that is, who would dream of being a jacket???!?!
The reason why Lucci immediately attacked Atlas with one of his stronger attacks was likely because he wanted to take her out before she could order S Bear. It is likely that he would keep doing that with any other Vegapunk that showed up. Vegapunk has to physically be there to order them and if so then Lucci can easily take them out. So in a way, S Bear could be there to draw them out. Then Lucci just has to order the Seraphim to stand down if any orders did get through.
I know nothing about American accents nor where Merphy was growing up, but 18:18 sounded like something very regional brought straight from the childhood
These chapters are so intriguingly mysterious! Everything Vegapunk says is so open to interpretation at this point. But one thing that I really love is that the awakened Lucci now has the divine attributes (of the flames wrapping around him like the flowing band that Japanese gods are oftern portrayed with) that Luffy got for gear 4. Does this mean he too can become some sort of god? Do more fruits have this ability? Does ALL of them? Although I don't recall Katakuri having the divine flowing band of flames or other that Luffy and Lucci have, despite also being awakened. And I mean, Enel did put a ring of drums around him as if he were Raijin, but that wasn't precisely caused by his fruit, heh.
I talked a little about what I thought about the translation in a thread below, but I'll put it here too in case more people are interested:
In Japanese it litarally says "the rubber fruit, something like that" // "old/ancient devil fruit reference book(s?) in it it/(them?) is not recorded", so it's hard to tell if he's comparing it to one or more recent ones, or even if he's comparing it to any at all! Or if there are several old reference books, at that. Japanese generally doesn't use plural, or definite articles.
Also, he doesn't say that the Nika fruit was included in that reference book, but that "[(This) very likeness of a god] is only recorded in old/ancient manuscrips". He uses a different word for the writings in which it was recorded.
A lot of what is said in this chapter can be interpreted in several (correct) ways at this point, and it's just really hard to tell which the contextually correct version is before we get more information. I don't envy the official translators!
Personally, I think that Vegapunk means that devil fruits are the "possibilities resulting from someone's wish of human development" in a general way, rather than specifically. Or at least that Oda wants to leave it linguistically a bit uncertain in order to make future revelations! I think the second part of what he says can be translated (literally, that is, not a translation you'd want to put in a finished work) as "In the multidute of futures of humanity there are abilites".
To summarise, I think that he's saying that the dreams and wishes of various humans can result in a devil fruit in one of the possible futures in which humanity develops. And as of yet it's not clear what the process actually is.
(I do work as a translator, although thankfully not for One Piece).
11:23-11:30 So everyone seems to be disagreeing on the translation. I have heard multiple people saying that it says something along the lines of all devil fruits were dreamed up by someone from a different dimension. And now a big theory is that Oda did a self-insert into the story.
CP0 are not stupid, just over confident. Vegapunk, his satellites, and Sentomaru can just simply be killed by Lucci, Kaku or Stussy. Infact using their Seraphim control to lure out the other Vegapunks to kill them seems like a pretty sound strategy.
I’m in love with the Egghead Island arc so far. The fights, the lore, everything has been hitting for me so far and I can’t wait to see more
He, that’s where I defer 12:20 I specifically love that concept, like Tsurus wash wash fruit
I don’t think they were planning to use the seraphim to kill Vegapunk. If vegapunk teleports away, I’m pretty sure the authority chip takes effect again. Extrapolating off of what happened to Atlas and Sentomaru, this mission was going to be very easy for them, but then… the Straw Hats happened.
Returning the seraphim to Vegapunk was part of CP0's sneak attack plan to assassinate him. Apparently Lucci is stupid for not predicting that the strawhats would be on egghead island to stop them LOL. Nice take
17:30 And it's obvious! Who wouldn't put a failsafe so that their own weapon isn't used against him? And I'm positive that's the officially announce hierarchy, but the real one has Dragon in the list, based on Kuma's actions when he was taken to Kamabaka. And of course, the Celestial Dragons are below both VP and Dragon
BIG thing I need to mention, Oda uses backwards spelling a lot, like with Elbaf/Fable. Imu is Umi spelled backwards, and Umi means Mother/Sea translated from Japanese. Rejected by the sea, the mother of nature, I'm sure you can see where my theorizing is going!
10:43 I wonder if Oda was trying to connect an idea from the real world (wars of resources) to One Piece (as he often does, like racism, discrimination, etc.) but due to not showing it in his story, it missed the mark a little?
20:27 Admittedly, if Vegapunk teleported to command the Seraphim, it would give CP0 an opportunity to kill him. My thought that they won’t truly be in control is that Atlas is said to still be alive on the battlefield, so later on, she may command the Seraphim to turn again. But I think this is something to make CP0 more of a threat and this arc to have more stakes. After all, I think most people were thinking Luffy would wipe the floor with Lucci. But if Lucci was awakened… and there’s 3-4 Seraphim against Luffy… and 2 Seraphim intimidated (but didn’t defeat) Blackbeard… it would be a somewhat valid match up for Luffy to fight more seriously (since he’s kind of been not taking it too seriously). Edit: Also, Kizaru too!
I really enjoy your chapter reactions more than I thought I would ..
they bring a fun humorous side to you I love it
I'm glad that they didn't make the comparison between Luffy and Lucci. When Luffy punched Carlos in Sabaody it was impactful not only because of its implications but also because of what Luffy represents as a character. Having Lucci do the same thing here would make that moment feel less significant for me.
We all read in different ways and I respect that, I just want to point out my perspective.
Besides that I strongly recommend reading goodnight punpun. I read it a couple of years ago and still think about it every now and then. However it gets extremely emotional so be ready for that if you decide to pick it up.
blackbeard also mentioned dreams with luffy 🤔 when they first met. i forgot what exactly he said
"People's dreams never end"
Also, at the end of Jaya when the StrawHats escaped Blackbeard's pursuit, Van Auger said: "All things in this world are cogs that move in tune to strong desires".
Gaimon: The One Piece is already a dream within a dream within a legend
Ussop in Jaya referring to Sky Island: Sky Island is a dream in a dream!
And we all know Skypeia was real
Honestly ive been having a thought that vegapunk could be wrong about the past, the kingdom was advanced but not technologically, look at the remnants they left, large monoliths with a written history, a giant ark, and ancient weapons that all seem to be some sort of natural power to control animals. Not to mention the giant robot that no matter what science vegapunk uses he cant get it to work. Maybe the ancient kingdom were magical and this is just vegapunks perfectionist streak making him say “theres no way i invented this”
The Ancient kingdom is more of a dream kingdom
Merphy proving she's a true fan like all of us here. Three cheers Merphy!
9:55 Oil is energy, Merph. While in One Piece has not been specifically shown, in any world the main reason for war will be the limited natural resource, and based in our lifestyle, that resource will always be energy.
You are right that it's never been brought up before in the story, but no reason for the few wars we've seen has been brought up (except Marineford)
Not to mention just after doffy was defeated, oda did showed how resource-less countries had been in war to get some more resources and were dependent on doffy to get weapons.. same happened when germa 66 was introduced as a hired party in some other wars.
7:00 Maybe Kuma just heard when Lucci said "let's just terminate her on sight" when talking about Bonney (1067), his daughter, so he is running to try to save her once again.
I am convinced that VP's explanation for devil fruits is related to the numerous biologically unusual humanoid tribes that exist in the world like the tontottas or the long arms tribe. VP suggests that devil fruits are the ideas that went too far, so the ones that didn't created viable subspecies of humans.
One could say, Lucci gets straight to the point
My theory is that Blackbeard has something to do with it the disappearing CP ships. After Water 7 we went to Thriller Bark where ships “mysteriously” kept disappearing. Last time we saw Moria was when he faced off against BB, and we know that Egghead is close to where we last saw BB and where he’s keeping Koby
I think the reason CP0 brought S-Bear is because that was the pretext for their arrival to the island. They were still trying to act like the only reason they came to the island was to return S-Bear. Maybe if they knew that Vegapunk had already figured out their plan, they wouldn't have bothered bringing him. Also, they probably assume that they could easily overpower Vegapunk, so that his higher position on the Seraphim command hierarchy would be moot. And I guess they figured they could easily take out Sentomaru as well, which seems to be the case given what Lucci did to him.
You ever think some of spandoms idiocy rubbed off on kaku and lucci since he's also in CP0 lol. 😂
I believe it is as connected to willpower as Haki . I think Haki has established the power of will in one piece and I think that there's a natural transition there that could explain devil fruits.
love the amount of lore and backstories we're being bombarded with. and love how luffy's yoko status makes even CP0 and lucci need to be careful. and making lucci awakened is a great way to get lucci up to at least a level where he can engage in sparring with luffy in his current state. we did get a luffy-punches-lucci panel where luffy punches through the floor through lucci or something like that.
About the devil fruits. I think is not just "i want to be a jacket" and more like "I want to have a jacket because I have no cloths" or "I want a palace to live" or " I wish I could eat anything so I couldnt be hundry" type of thing
Concerning the energie issue:
I agree that, this 'we fight over energy sources' thing wasn't talked about nearly enough in the past to feel that important.
My point of view: People started wars for different reasons (or so they think) only Vegapunk saw those wars for what they really are : fights over energy sources. Even the participants might think, they fight over political or economic power but VP understands that, if provided with enough energy all these issues would disappear.
@ order of command:
An awakened Lucci surely is able to clear this up, if it wouldn't be for Luffy being present. I feel like the order getting explained was more for us than anything. They were prepared, brought S-Bear with them, and with the limitation of orders not being able to get into a Seraphim via a Den-Den Mushi, Sentomaru and/or Satellites/Stella need to be present, literally in line of sight of CP0 to effectively order any Seraphim, which puts them into assassination range.
And while Stussy and Kaku might be able to hold off some number of Seraphims for x amount of time, Awakened Lucci slips past the defenses and kills / makes one of he higher-ups in order unable to speak.
Only Sentomaru seems to be able to fight with all we know right now, so killing any Vegapunk body on sight should be easy for a ruthless, speedy, awakened assassin.
Kaku makes this hierarchy reveal look like they're stupid indeed, but if Luffy wasn't there, be sure that CP0 would succeed easily.
18:09 s-bear was a pretense to enter the island, they can't just enter the island "hey punk we r here for sightseeing"
and it was supposed to be an assassination mission, so it doesn't matter if they have to take the very weapon which can go against they have to take that much risk at least
but vegapunk already knew that also I don't think they would be able to enter the island without s-bear powers
Seeing your videos just always makes me smile your the best Merph🤙🏿 + I think CP0 knows Vegapunk can turn the Seraphim on them but they also think they can kill Vegapunk before he can say anything which without luffy could be true as well
9:42 true me too the energy subject never been mentined before in one piece and now they tell us peoople have been fighting over it where when
Merphy i dont know if people already told you, but you need to watch the videos of OP from Melon Teee, i think you will love it, they are about characters and world, and like you, she isnt about the fights but about everythig else
before the start of skypiea island, there was a line that goes along" Everything that humans can imagine is a possibility in reality"
yeah the vegapunks could give an order to the seraphim, but that would be super risky because they can't do it through a denden mushi. Atlas, the most physically capable fighter of the punks, got offed in an instant.
Talking about the Ocean all the time I feel like you might enjoy "The swarm. A novel of the deep." and its companion work "Nachrichten aus einem unbekannten Universum" (looks like the latter is not available in english)
I'm honestly fine with the idea of Devil Fruits essentially being manifestations of people's dreams. Oda puts heavy emphasis on the importance of dreams and their power. A united theme for a lot of the major characters is that their motivated by and truly believe in them. Luffy and Blackbeard are introduced as polar opposites, but the one thing they agree on is the importance of dreams. It fits that as physical manifestations of dreams, the Devil Fruits are so powerful and limitless in their possibilities.
It also fits because Blackbeard never sleeps and therefore cannot dream. Plus, the darkness fruit *chose* BB because BB best represents darkness. He cannot dream literally
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I think when it came to the Hierarchy maybe CP0 was betting on A. killing the Vegapunks without them activating the seraphim, B. Pressure Sentomaru to turn on Vegapunk, or C. get S. Bear to kill all people above their own hierarchy before they had a chance to activate the other seraphim. Of course they could never have predicted the unpredictable force of nature that was Monkey D. Luffy
Two things:
1. Kuma was on Mariejois during the Reverie, Bonney saw him. It was during this event that the Revolutionary Army rescued him, and Reverie ran while the Strawhats were on Wano. So unless you're making the claim that the SH stayed on Wano for 2 months after Reverie was concluded (a hard sell for me) I'm pretty sure Kuma is more like 2 weeks free from captivity.
2. Vegapunk has claimed that he's made his inventions while chasing the technological advancements of 800 years ago, and Vegapunk has successfully synthesized Devil Fruits. So I wonder if Devil Fruits weren't manmade by a certain lost Kingdom. Or weren't made in response to a certain lost Kingdom's Ancient Weapons. I definitely feel like they have to be connected to the Will of D, though. I've always thought that stood for "the Will of the Devil".
what do you think Luffy's Dream is?
My criteria:
1 -It's very Luffy like (Nami said it's very like him)
2 -It needs to be weird and backward, illogical (Usopp and Sanji were questioning his reasoning)
3 -Almost impossible to achieve
4 -Gol D. Roger could have the same dream
-Being King of the pirates does not guaranty it but makes it possible (Luffy claim that it would be possible if he would be a PK, Frankie says he needs to be PK to have a chance)
5 -It needs to be childish
6 -Shocking and ridicules
7 -Needs to be somehow already alluded to
I think the perfect fit is "I want to eat for free wherever I go"
1. it's very like Luffy (eating connected to freedom)
2. The logic that if he is great, then everybody would want to buy him a meal
3. kind of as much impossible as it gets, (maybe if you steal, but Luffy is a Pirate for a reason too)
4. God D Roger was not trying to rule the world, he wanted to be GREAT to achieve his dream. "Eating for free" the same logic as Luffy
5. It's very childish
6. If some child said that, it would be funny. But if someone had it as a serious goal, it would be shocking
7. In every arc, Luffy is feed by someone for free, and then he helps them. I think it's very strong foreshadowing
I was going through all the parallels to Sabaody and didn't think of the starting a fight that would bring an admiral to the island was one of them
thanks merphy!!! 25 minutes for just a couple of chapter...KUDOS!!!
The part about devil fruits is extra cool because it means that devil fruits are literally inherited will. It lines up with the themes of the series as well as Gear 5 does.
I can't stress enough how happy I am to learn that you're going to review Vagabond. You'll finally see how much of a masterpiece this is and we're going to be able to share it with you
You were spot on with the parallel, but gave the wrong example with Charlos. In Ennis Lobby they burned the world government flag and were told, “this symbolizes a declaration of war” and the Straw Hats not caring about the consequence.
Ressources were indirectly discussed I would say. Like food in Wano, water in Alabasta, Earth/Dirt in Skypea, Lifetime in WCI, and so on
Tbh I think the way Oda drew this "skirmish" is the absolute best way it could have been portrayed. Not because of thematical likenesses but for the same reason CP0 *shouldn't* have engaged to begin with; Luffy is a yonko. He just defeated "the strongest creature in the world", so it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever if there even was a miniscule challenge. Even if Lucci has become stronger the bar Luffy has set is so ridiculously high an actual hit would undermine all of his development as a fighter.
Also, I think it's been heavily hinted that the reason the government ships disappeared has been due to the cyborg sea kings as Lilith mentioned they have eaten ships in the past due to inability to remove all emotions from living specimen.
The dream for more energy could have made enel’s fruit if vegapunk’s theory is true
I love sou much how Luffy is referred as an Emperor of the sea, this warms my heart.
I would love for you to rereview the Reverie Arc, Levely Arc. There are a couple things you missed to talk about, and One thing in particular. There's a moment where we see the kings and queens at the meeting and Shirahoshi is about to be enslaved by our most hated celestial dragon, only to be saved by another celestial dragon... The same celestial dragon from Fishman Island that the queen saved all those years ago.. And, I think that its a bit surprising that you never talked about a moment like that when it meant the queens actions impacted such an evil person. I'd also love to hear you talk about the connection between this and Fishman Island, Thank you!
You brought up a good thing about luffy/Rogers dream being so important. Could there be a devil fruit which encompasses that dream?
I still think there might be a chance that devil fruits are inspired by the Nordic mythology of utgard loki who could make illusions by manifesting things such as concepts into beings in order to win a competition against thor. He made a wildfire as a person to win an eating competition (which’s sounds like ace and his logia). Made the personification of thought to win a race as thought was faster than action (which is like a paramecia) and made the world serpent as a kitty cat and challenged thor to lift it up (which reminds me of mythical zoans).
Earlier one shots of one piece state that devil fruits come from the ‘illusion tree’ so it make sense as being illusions. Vegapunk even says they devil fruits are kind of in another world to put reality.
I think the statement about the devil fruits supports a theory I've had for a while that they're basically the ultimate form of haki. We've already seen stuff like Sanji igniting himself or Zoro's demon form thing, and I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that those are related to conqueror's haki. The way I see it, they're using their willpower to create these effects and the stronger their will gets the more their powers will resemble fruit powers. And I think if someone manages to fully realize a power like that then when they die the power stays behind and condenses into a fruit, and it's connected to the whole inherited will theme since the fruits are basically made of someone else's residual willpower.
So basically I think it's less like saying "hey, I wish I had a power" and having a fruit suddenly appear, and more that your haki becomes so strong that you can use it to manifest a power which then remains behind as a fruit after your death.
While I get your point about the command structure, the impression I got was that the controller needed to be physically present to give orders and not have them overridden. And Lucci's actions seem to inform this. The instant he spots someone higher in the chain than them he instantly one-shots them. Atlas. Sentoumaru (which you did pronounce correctly!) Both of them he went hard and fast at the first opportunity.
Speaking of control, I wonder if Oda will use S-Snake to paralell Hancock in some way. Hancock obeyed Government orders out of a love for Luffy. I wonder if love likewise will be what allows S-Snake to instead *disobey* orders, whether a love of her father(s? mothers? parents?) Vegapunk or if she develops a precocious schoolgirl crush on Luffy.
Admittedly, this is mostly in service to my own desire to see Hancock and S-Snake interact. Whether they a) bond over Luffy, b) fight over Luffy, or c) Hancock declaring S-Snake her and Luffy's child when first seeing her white hair next to Gear 5th's.
I just want S-Snake to be free and have the childhood Hancock never did.
One of the things that interested me in these chapters was that vegapunk mentioned that his inventions could be spread around the world with an "eternal flame." In the OP world this would be possible if law used his power to grant eternal youth to a certain person with a fire devil fruit...!
Great review... I really enjoyed it
Pretty sure that's exactly what Lucci wants. Vegapunk to show up personally so he can deal with him.