Why did South Africa Give up its Nukes? (Short Animated Documentary)
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South Africa's Nuclear Weapons Program: From Deterrence to Dismantlement by Waldo Stumpf
Why South Africa Gave up the Bomb by J.W. de Villiers, Roger Tardine and Mitchell Reiss.
History matters: why did South Africa give up its Nukes?
Me:South Africa had nukes?
@@DoReMi123acb Zimbabwe hasn't always been a shithole?
@@jokuvaan5175 Yeah......Rhodesia. I have several black friends from the country who left because of political violence, intimidation, and poverty. They speak highly of what it use to be and hate what is now.
@@DoReMi123acb Rhodesia was a country founded by a white business man who exploited africa
@@DoReMi123acb lol, someone supporting Rhodesia has "black friends", sure haven't heard that one before
Jami Wait Sandy’s a girl?
It's taken 28 years but that shattering sound was the perfect way to concisely represent the break-up of the Soviet Union.
Peter Grey day 2:39
I read this as that part came on.
Pure sadness :_(
@Peter grey well that's sorta why he put the sound in.
@@aaronhpa why is it sadness? Letting people choose thier own governments?
Please do a video on why Namibia is no longer a part of South Africa.
@@DoReMi123acb I mean you're not wrong
Because they were never part of SA to begin with. After WW1, the German colony was given to South Africa as a mandate, although it was never intended to be part of South Africa. At some stage, it was seen as a fifth province in South Africa, but internationally, it was always seen as a seperate entity.
Interesting
@@Hannodb1961 Right, basically a colony that happened to be right next to the colonizing power.
@@DoReMi123acb do you have any proof to support your claim?
South Africa at this time is probably one of the few countries since 1945 who could claim to have got rid of nukes and be genuinely believed
And when you look at the state of SA in present day it's a good job they don't have nukes.
Erm I don't think its hard to dissarm a nuke and then re activate it or whatever. It's a matter of we had them , we probably still have them , you guys know how these things work so just saying we had them doesn't mean we don't have them. I don't work for the army I'm just born and uneducated here. I like to think that there are new ones they just not "plugged in yet"
They did it out of necessity not because of some altruistic reason.
We could not let the terrorists (ANC) have nukes. They steel and break everything!
@@rosslansberg6323 South Africa still has a stockpile of weapon grade uranium so building a new weapon wouldn't be too hard as it's the enrichment that's the tricky part. For a bomb that is, using it in a missile would require much more effort.
For proper disarmament this highly enriched uranium should be mixed with lower grade uranium and refined into nuclear fuel to be useful. This is what US and Russia have done with a bunch of their decommissioned nuclear weapons.
“Our nuclear weapons will be used for peaceful purposes”
- _Generic dictator_
"We come in peace lmao"
- Gandhi
@@Baddy187 depends on your definition of dictator
@@CommunistLlama No it doesn't. You could argue that South Africa was Aristicratic, but South Africa was never just ruled by one man with absolute power.
Just like Iran
Reminds me of a scene from the 2012 movie “The Dictator”
Just to add a little something. In September 1979 the Vela Incident occurred in the ocean halfway between S. Africa and Antarctica. A US satellite system detected a flash which was more than likely a nuclear explosion. The specific location and timing meant it should have gone undetected except one of the satellites in the global detection system which had been listed as inoperable was in fact still in working order and captured the flash. S. Africa denied it was a test, and the US quickly changed to official story to it likely being a natural event. But it probably was a clandestine small nuclear test, either done by S. Africa, Israel, or the two countries working together.
I’m glad someone mentioned this
Nice piece of context, thank you.
Thank you
Israel's nuke policy is I think pretty clever. Neither confirm or deny.
It's a badly kept secret anyway. SA and Israel probably DID work together with a test.
"Can't leave them nuks to them blacks"
- Some Politicians
@JOHN CENA *laughs in Obama*
@@taethegreat7577 obama was mixed race
@Aggressive Tubesock You say that like its a bad thing.
@@LiftForYockey Or like every other race isn't even MORE racist. :D
I'm black but would you trust nuclear weapons to both black and white governments? Hell no.
Being born and raised in South Africa, this was surprisingly accurate
Before this I never knew that south Africa had nuclear weapons
Apart from the pronunciations
Ik hoop dat ik ooit naar zuid Afrika kan
Im surprised you can read
@@mokushmasmo6009 fucking racist
We’ll never give up our weapons
Why should you my Supreme Leader?
What if we throw in your very own McDonalds, KFC and Wendy’s?!
Never let them get you, Supreme Leader!
@@岛鹏 how dear you mock the Supreme leader of best korea,time for re-education
Thanks Kim, very cool!
"We had Nukes" lmao, that's what you call a serious silent threat that no one ever knew about.
I always thought this was common knowledge. But my parents were South African.
bombs are stil there at mahlaba ndlovu
chief we are led by mafia s you will never understand maybe they already build another one the way these allied powers respect this county .
Same as Israel still does today. Officially they don't confirm, but they have given enough hints through the year to guarantee deterrence. Btw SA and Israel worked together in their respective nuclear programmes.
But it reminds me of Dr. Strangelove: A nuclear deterrent is useless if you don't announce that you have it. So it was a strange policy to have nukes but keep it secret.
Edit: Or maybe it was like Israel's nukes, which everyone knows exist, but Israel has not *officially* declared it.
"Well, if we're going down for Gods sake don't let the ANC get the nukes". That was probably the REAL thinking.
thats 100% it
@@细勇耐 And 100% the correct conclusion.
The thought of Jacob Zuma having a nuclear arsenal is horrifying. Not a fan of the nats but thank god they dismantled those things.
@@matthew1882 When I was in Bloemfontein in the late 80s everyone I spoke with seemed to think the Afrikaners would go down in a blaze of glory before giving up control and some even tried to justify using nukes if it came down to it.
@@pfdrtom that sounds like the Afrikaners I know. They Still want to go down in a blaze of glory and it's just ridiculous. Then again the ANC being the most corrupt morons on the planet doesn't inspire confidence either.
There’s a little that was left out of this video on why South Africa developed nuclear weapons in the first place. They never did make enough weapons to serve as a deterrent to Angola attacking their country. Plus, nuking your own land to prevent a foreign invasion is less than ideal. Yes, Angola was backed by the Soviets. The South African government was banking on the United States intervening on their behalf if it looked like they were going to be overrun by communists. South Africa developed nuclear weapons to convince the American government that the consequences for not intervening would be worse than if they did intervene.
And yet the comunist rule now i realy with they would stop calling it south africa that died in 1994 its just africa now fucked like the rest of africa
White racists in South Africa feared that Africans would bomb Germany, Belgium, and other European countries that deserve retribution for killing, enslaving, and colonizing Africans! America wants a weak Africa, so they can keep stealing African wealth. Put and China are bringing weapons to Africa. Soon white people must leave Africa or be forced out!
So we’re just going to brush over the CUBANS IN ANGOLA
Noah Barnacz I mean, it was mentioned. Did you want him to go on a huge tangent or something?
Claudio Oliveira next joke 😂
@Claudio Oliveira Nobody won....
@Claudio Oliveira They did, because of superior military tech supplied by the Russians, but even with it they where held back and in the end both failed to achieve their aim.
@morton christie yep, What the South Africans did where impressive considering the situation they where in. Saw there is a new documentary on Netflix on the subject. Definitively gonna watch it and brush up on it. Been a while since I've looked in to this conflict.
US intervention in Central and South America during the cold war would be a great next video!
I thought, the entire Latin American history in 1800-2000 was one big US intervention!)
1800: UK
1900: US
GarkKahn What about Monroe doctrine?
@@GarkKahn The UK made in the 19th century relatively small and not much significant interventions in the Americas in general, apart from their few colonies. The UK was way too focused on big riches in the Old World in the 1800s in India, Persian Gulf, China, Pakistan and India again.
During the 1800s the US already had a bigger influence on the Central and South America than the UK ever had, like the comment above states on the Monroe Doctrine.
Just a few examples
Uk invaded the viceroyalty of rio de la plata twice which caused riot among the people because spanish authorities fled while civilians repelled both invasions by themselves (prelude for independence wars)
Uk participated in the negotiations for uruguayan independence in order to protect british propierties in the region. Uruguay was like south american switzerland during almost all the regional history. And i can continue
With this i don't mean usa didn't interviene during that time or uk didn't during 20th century but they DID during 19th a few times on important moments
I represented South Africa in a Yom Kippur War committee in Model UN. I had fun threatening that I had uranium I could use and send to Israel. I gave some uranium to Australia thinking he wouldn't do anything against me and at the end he ended up nuking Cape Town
Amazing
Hey, be glad the Aussies only used nukes. Imagine what destruction they could have wrought if they sent you an Emu army.
THE MOON SHALL JOIN YOUR COALITION.
Avery the Cuban-American Hello again, Avery!
Why did Australia want nukes?! Why did they use them against Cape Town?! What the heck happened at your Model UN?!
nukes: i thought you never gonna give me up
south africa: sorry I let you down
Can't believe I got rick rolled in my own head, it's a violation.
As someone with ADHD these history videos that go straight to the point but is still detailed and maintains context is like heaven to me. Plus visuals help a lot
Do keep in mind they are super simplified, so you cant really get any good info from them, aside from the entertainment
@@whocares317 I know but it’s still something I appreciate so that I can go look more into it.
@@whocares317 But they’re still adequate educational material.
When thing are interesting they are interesting. At least for me so I don't get distracted.
But if it is boring I will go wander... And zone out...
@@whocares317 these are almost perfect, they get into the topic and are really educational
The nuclear warheads are peaceful! -South Africa
Mahandi Ghandi: Yes, I like you.
i like he said that the uranium would be used for energy even though they were used for nukes they never told the rest of the world that until after we got rid of them
I don't think he liked nukes.
I cant believe you just called him "Mahandi Ghandi" lmao
Neil Wilson it’s a big from civ that is a meme
@@generalaccount6531 When Gandhi has completed the Manhattan Project, that's when things get real
Hey a video I can contribute to, in my final year of varsity one the engineers that worked on the nuclear missile program gave us a presentation on his experience in it. He didn't work on the nuclear bombs themselves, but rather on the rockets that were supposed to be able to carry them to Angola.
He told us about the incredible secrecy that was involved, to the point that not even the people making the bombs and missiles knew what they were doing. They would design components and have multiple different companies work on each part separately and lie about what the component was for, then bring them all back together and assemble them on site. The missiles were assembled in an old farm and a barn house tower was used to stand the missile upright, with the main part of the barn used for construction.
He told us how, even though they knew what to build they didn't actually have anyone with the experience to design the rockets they needed, but that the USA was willing to help, just not officially. They would fly to Canada, cross the border into the USA and obtain blueprints and designs to aid in the construction back at home, and he mentioned how a private airport was constructed where they could land and take-off in secret.
When the program was shut down the USA sent officials over to oversee the closure and make sure we had definitely gotten rid of the nukes, they poured concrete into the missile silos, but the old casings are still in a museum to this day, they look pretty much spot on to the drawings in your video.
If I remember correctly they never actually tested the range of the rockets, so even though we had nukes we couldn't have launched them.
I still have the PowerPoint presentation that he gave us, just wish I had a video of the actual interview. I asked him if he ever felt bad that he had worked on something that was essentially going to be used to kill people and he said his time on the program were the best years of his life. He said how it was the most challenging thing he'd ever done and how his trips to the USA made him feel like a spy. All-in-all a really great presentation and one the highlights of my varsity days.
They did test the range, flew them up past Angola, turned around and made it back to around Langebaan, I think, where it was dumped in the sea.
There was problem with the steering apparently, not reactive enough.
I think they could've been used as "Gravity Bombs" dropped from a strike aircraft.
Missile silo's???? I think those bombs were meant to be delivered by Canberras.
@@mikespencer4922 The long term goal for the Apartheid government was for them to be delivered via missiles. But the program never reached completion.
Please upload the powerpoint presentation if you don't mind
Can you imagine the ANC with access to nukes?
I'm surprised the mysterious test detonation in the ocean near S Africa was not mentioned at all (the Vela incident). Never realized they actually had nuclear weapons. Good video otherwise.
Yeah we were pretty advanced beofree the United States and all their allies FORCED the handover of the country TO COMMUNISTS.
The country is currently in a state of emergency due to the power grid almost failing, all due to the commies stealing 1 BILLION A MONTH, because and I state in their own words: "we need to eat"
All state owned entities are destroyed. No police service, military look like a weight watchers parade.
Its all gone to shit.
I could go on and on.
Vela wasn’t South Africa, South Africa never made an extra bomb to blow up
Makes no difference now, the ANC would have probably sold those nukes to the Guptas
"Sold" would in this instance have meant advancing them a couple of billion to pay for them nukes and then give them the rights to the intellectual property plus a rent free long term lease on some government facility, for which another couple of billion of taxpayer's money would be used to renovate by a Gupta-owned company, and termed a previously-disadvantaged persons empowerment project for which a joint-Gupta/Zuma owned consultancy would be paid several million to set up...
@@jimbobjones9119 please add more full stops and divide into paragraphs. Makes it easier to dgest information.
Naw, they owe other terrorist groups favors.
Those nukes would've disappeared due to Y2K or something.
Letting the ANC inherent nukes would have brought “necklacing” to a whole new level.
Israel also helped them with the bomb and sold them arms.
@@merlinbotha363 Haha....it would all have happened so quickly - no time for punctuation...nor the usual supply chain regulations!
Seeing how our current government runs and maintains our power grid, I, as a South African, am sooooo glad we don't have nuclear weapons anymore 😂🙆♂️.
why are the screwing up so badly tho?
@@TheStriker0525 corruption, chronyism, ineptitude and incompetence. Turns out sitting in a foxhole in Angola doesn't make you qualified to run a government department. Who woulda thunk?
@@matthew1882 that's the same all over Africa, your situation isn't in any way worse, at opposite, it's a little better
The rest of the world is too
@@shockmaster1929 not that our nukes could ever reach outside of Southern Africa. The deployment method was basically "kick it out the back of a plane"
Pretty sensible to not give the ANC nukes LMAO
It was a very smart call.
The most interesting things about SA nuclear weapons is that they used Vortex separation to obtain the HEU. They are probably the only 1's to do it that way.
What does that mean and how is it different
@@TjtheSquishyLegomanicWe used "Boer space magic"
@@matthew1882 Boers are in a class of their own. Even with some of the harshest sanctions in global history they still managed to remain at the forefront of technology. Proud to share so much common ancestry with the Boers!
A very clever race
@@pieterveenders9793 lol watse kak praat jy? Jy lewe in 'n droom wereld
2:38 Best ever image of the Cold War ending.
I just love how you always include portraits hanging on the wall-lends a degree of atmosphere lacking in other vids tbh 10/10
“...to make sure it wasn’t too civil-war-y”. That cracked me up!
@1:12 You pictured Swaziland (Now eSwatini) as part of Potuguese East Africa and Mozambique, but it was never part thereof. Swaziland was a British colony and obtained independence in 1968.
this
Oh.
Is this why there are already 5 dislikes on the video?
@@theregalproletariat I don't know about the dislikes. I wouldn't dislike an informative video for a small mistake like that. The rest of the video is spot on.
But ask yourself this: Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things?
@@wilhelmrk I am sure it matters to the millions of Swazi's who's history is not being told correctly. Or they dont and it doesnt. I was just trying to show that there are a lot of countries in that "small" space.
Without watching the vid. The first thing i thought of was, could anyone imagine the ANC having nukes? They'd probably sell it to anyone for the right price.
Yea like the NP was not corrupt and never made arm deals. Yea. NP was good. ANC is bad.
@@iBhacaBeats NP wasn't as broke, corrupt yes but probably has a tad more foresight. Just a tad.
@@iBhacaBeats np where also politicians, but at least somewhat capable ones. ANC is just, its a good example of everything that can be wrong with a govourment/political party.
It's very obvious that you don't know about A.Q. Khan.
Thank god they gave it up. Could you imagine the current South African governments with nukes?
Youre just racist and shit
padvinder8 I didn’t know that not wanting a horribly incompetent and corrupt government having nukes was racist
Mr Nice Guy The governments not racist, you’re projecting your own flaws on them.
South Africa wouldn't even have nukes right now. Because the minute if we found out that they had nukes then the USA would have told them to give it up or USA place economic sanctions.
Most likely the US and allies would’ve gotten them to remove them voluntarily as they had with other nations.
Imagine what it would be like if the ANC or EFF had access to nukes.
They would if we had. And nothing stops them from developing it now.
Brians stops them they cant even keep what was a first world economy given to them so nukes way beyound there capabilities
@@lucienpetersen9010 the lack of infrastructure stops em
@@lucienpetersen9010 Nothing but brain power.
Lol oh shxt. Would be Helll.
no one: ...
South Africa:
♫Uranium fever has done and got me down
Uranium fever is spreadin' all around
With a Geiger counter in my hand
I'm a-goin' out to stake me some government land
Uranium fever has done and got me down ♫
War! Huh! Yeah, what is it good for?
nice lyrics, not terrible not great
Well I had talk with the AEC
And they brought out some maps that looked good to me
And one showed me a spot that he said he knowed
So I straddled my Jeep and headed down the road
Tom Lehrer wrote in his 1965 satirical song “Proliferation,” a list of potential nuclear powers:
South Africa wants TWO; that’s right,
One for the black and one for the white! Who’s next?
Kaiser Wilhelm II Sorry , I’m not familiar with that song.
That was a wise decision.
@@superm530 Looking at the state of our current government, I think it was. Our government isn't very smart, and if they had nukes, it would just make them pretty cocky as well.
@@superm530 well it's like son Goku: he can destroy earth with his little finger but he chooses to fight under strength so he doesn't kill everybody.
@@nadavjones4244 let Iran have them too then since they're also constantly under threat from neighbours
Payback is a bitch
@@superm530 probably still secretly have them.
Seeing how South Africa ended up *Whew*
@Truthbeyondemotion had to put "white" in there didn't you? You know, China is turning african countries into their own personal debt slaves
@@shorewall Acting as though developement is something inherently race based is not only a hilariously retarded thing to say, but disgustingly dishonest if you know even the slightest bit of human history and how it constantly changes.
Having a look at the total disarray of the current SA government, getting rid of their Nukes was a demonstration of maturity, wisdom and foresight.
Yeah they would have most likely blown SA up trying to connect all the tv's in Soweto to it.
Defnitely. Image the ANC (governing party) had access to nukes. A thought that would scare anyone.
It may interest you to know that while the nuclear weapons were dismantled, the material still exists under very heavy military guard to this very day in Pretoria. A tiny bit has been used for medical purposes but the majority of it is still ready to go. Since the ANC took power, each US president has tried to persuade each of their South African counterparts to do away with the nuclear material, but each of them refused. I think this is a wise strategic move probably to allow South Africa to reinstate the nuclear arms program should she come under imminent threat from another country.
@@Kaveman. I don’t think we currently have the expertise to make nuclear weapons as the blueprints we had were destroyed
@@havok2579 building a bomb out of Uranium 235 is trivially easy, you just have two large enough clumps of it and mash them together and it will go supercritical.
The hard part about building a nuclear bomb is getting the Uranium 235... or Plutonium.
Thanks for doing a South Africa episode!
Next video “Why did Ukraine give up 5k nukes to Russia?”
asking the interesting questions
Emparor: taking things that where not theirs has not stopped anyone in history. I think having a few nukes lying around is useful. Especially now when they get invaded by Russia.
Can tell you in few words: a) seeking better relationship with West + funding b) corrupted government of pro-russian ex-Commies d) too expensive to maintain. But that was a huge mistake to give it up like that. At least we had to ask for something better than just Budapest memorandum, especially knowing the historical fact «Documents signed by Russia isn't worth of the paper they are written on».
Ivan Alekseichuk another reason is because Russia made a deal with Ukraine that they wouldn’t violate their territorially integrity but we all know how that turned out
@@RealClutchMcGee that's exactly what I meant, the document is called Budapest memorandum.
As a South Arican, it's always interesting to hear foreigners pronounce our names and surnames. Like "Botha". XD
Botha is a Europeans name it's not South "African"
@ragnar ulrichson Lol your opinion is only worth about Jack,
If we moved from central and west Africa after the 1600s our languages wouldn't have evolved so much we would have common cultural heritage with some ethnic groups in central and west Africa,just like Afrikaans and Dutch are mutually intelligible there are no ethnic groups in central or west Africa today that have a single similarity with Bantu tribes be it languages or cultural practices,nice try with your unfounded opinions 🤣hell you people think the Zulu tribe arrived here between the 1700s and 1800s when the Zulu tribe was actually formed in Southern Africa and had a different name before Shaka Zulu,but i like that you think i have to agree with your historical views I mean pale skinned people have always had some form of monopoly control over history ,it's like asking the hunter to tell the lion's story ,
Don't patronize me or assume that you can just insult my intelligence with historical fallacies
@ragnar ulrichson i would spend more time refuting anything you said if i believed for a second that it has a mere grasp of reality wouldn't make a difference eitheway it doesn't defeat my initial point,Botha was European-South African I'm African-South African which is just south african,it's a pity that i can share images on you tube comment sections
true reason: we knew the ANC is corrupt, so we took them away before they could do something with it.
"Insert Earth Here" made me laugh more than it should've
He's done that in all of his videos that mention the UN.
@@mirzaahmed6589 And it's made me laugh every time
@@ifandafydd7432 Timestamp?
@@Serjo777 It's four minutes long, it's not going to take you long to find it yourself
@@ifandafydd7432 I just watched it before writing the comment and didn't see that.
I lived in Malawi 1976-80. I believe I saw the flash from the SA test.
I was leaving a friend's house in Lilongwe late one evening and suddenly, as I opened my car door, we both could momentarily see clouds in a blue sky, green trees and each other's faces before it went dark again. We were both stunned but neither of us heard any sound, not was there any rush of wind, so we must have been too far away for that.
Reminds me of that old game named Soldier of Fortune. There your main villain is a former South African general who stole nukes from the Russia and sold them to various terrorist organizations around the world..
He used to propose to use South African nukes as a leverage to end UN embargo. Now he grew up to be a terrorist mastermind and your job is to locate and safely defuse those nukes and then to eliminate him. And he has a brother who is a leader of a very dangerous gang of criminals in the USA because why not.
That game was cool.
I had completely forgotten the story to that game. Unsurprising I suppose, given that the main selling point of the game at the time was gory kills.
He wore a very strange armour, and he was the last boss of the game. If i remember correctly he was cut in two by a falling light fixture.
What incredible foresight.
As a south African I think its a very good thing, SA got rid of them. Look at our ANC Government right now, would you really want them to have nukes? Ask yourself honestly
To be honest, they'd do nothing with them. Also, they've been decommissioned, not necessarily destroyed.
I highly recommend that you read “The Unspoken Alliance” because it explains how South Africa developed its nukes and why they wanted/needed them in the first place.
Do you mind giving me a bit of info on what the book is about?
My friend's dad who worked in a top secret government facility in south africa told him a secret one day, saying that although our nukes were dismantled, we had the means to reconstruct them if need be. I'm not sure if this is true but considering how powerful our military was in apartheid, it might be.
My grandfather was rather high up in the military and told me something very similar. He even mentioned that they had actually removed and falsified documents closer to the end so that it looked like there were only the 7 but that they ended up storing some in undisclosed areas under private ownership and not military and that they also gave some to Israel since apparently they worked on these programs together. How true that all was, I don't know but my grandfather wasn't really the sort of person to lie or tell big stories so ja. Who knows🤷🏼♂️
@@coetzeehome
Just the kind to reveal state secrets to his kid?!
@@r.lewisblake7793 Landscape for those like my grandfather is not the same as for the US veterans. He was told to leave the military and was all treated extremely poorly after the new government took over. I am sure 10 years after leaving and being made to be the bad guys in politics in SA leaves you not so patriotic about keeping secrets. (If it was true)
@@coetzeehome The black government of South Africa turned your country into a shithole now. SA would've been a better and progressive country with white rational leaders.
@@NoVisionGuy I honestly don't know how to respond to this like was that meant to be racist or did u just word it poorly
I'm an American whose been living in South Africa for years now. Some have said that a few of the A bombs were taken away and hidden. Only a few VP's knew where they were. I wonder if these bombs are still in safe hands..... if they are indeed still intact. Well, one day we just might all find out.... one way or the other.
The uranium is in Pelindaba..
May we never find out lol
They were sent to lsraeI
There's a theory that some were hidden under the Voertrekker monument...
I thought they just handed them over to Isreal. re: Vela incident.
Possible lol. I reckon that the only reason that two Arab nations signed a peace treaty with us and we have "good" relations with some others is that we have nukes.
@@yoavmor9002 They sure are good deterrents. Stay safe ;)
poppedweasel while the two likely worked together to develop nuclear weapon capabilities, the arsenal of the two nations were constructed separately, and Israel would have likely continued to develop more sophisticated weapons, mean the relatively primitive nukes of South Africa would have been less useful. In addition, transporting nuclear weapons from South Africa would have meant passing by non Israeli friendly nations, and if they got wind they would have attempted to seize the weapons
Maybe just Uranium but if USA helped SA to make nukes then why not Israel
@Kevin Zhang Yes, I'm quite active on Falklands vids. Argies make great punchbags. The Falklands is a bit of a specialist subject of mine. Hope the essays weren't too boring?
Imagine the ANC with all their incompetence and corruption inherited the nukes. This was a gift to humanity to take the matches out of the child's hands and preventing fires from starting
Rhodesia deserves its own episode
It's zimabwe - _-
I mean look at South Africa now, kind of glad they do not have nukes cause its utter chaos over there
*visible confusion*
We need Malema to bring order to chaos.
Matt Seymour where are you from MATT?
The nukes are still there. It's stored in a silvermine.
Tyler Durden Oh yes, the troll/conspiracy theorist, oh how I missed you
2:15
Warning: Splodey boi
I love the simple yet elegant animation style
"Well, I think I know the answer but I'm not sure I should say it." - Stan Marsh, South Park
It was Randy Marsh.
@@tuomosalo2029 So it was, thanks!
In the 1980s stories circulated of an undersea nuke test in the south Atlantic, possibly done by South Africa.
If you're thinking of the Vela incident in September 1979, that was an above-the-water test (if it was a test).
@@beeble2003 it most definitely was and it most definitely was South Africa and Israel
1:13 my country appears in the friend list
Psss, in this video that’s a *bad* thing.
@@trevorwilson6683 no
@@mastrorick it is lol you were one of the few countries on earth still pro segregation and pro native exploitation
@@joelGi excuse my country for befriended the black people until the end of the apartheid
They saw where it was going, and didn't want them getting access to that weapon
Let us just imagine the current South Africa with nukes. Now thank God.
And look at the state south africa is in now.
How much oil has it got? Maybe it's time NATO gave it some more 'freedom' (which is probably code for invasion)
Alex 1218 if you say so Nazi
@@tyrionlannister6459 ok commie
@@CoolNinja925 I'm sure the black people living there would agree with you.
@@Vegito_Fanpage I am a original black South African... Why don't you come and tell us that bullshit.... We don't want whites people in our country... They belong to their country in Europe
South Africa is like the little brother who after being bullied by his older siblings, shuts himself in his room and plots revenge but matures in the end so does nothing
@Truthbeyondemotion hahaha you're out of your mind.
YESSS FINALLY A VID ON SA IM SO HAPPY I COULD BREAK MY CAPS LOCK BUTTON
US: We hate communist
South Africa: So you will help us in Angola right?
US: No
A case of military panic. The US pulled out of the operation .
Argentina also had a nuclear weapons development program, which is why they began developing more enriched uranium based nuclear reactors and developing ballistic missilies while pushing more development into their space program. When democracy returned in 1983 and Argentina signed the non-proliferation treaty, the whole program was halted before any nuclear weapon was ever built, but they did sell their nuclear and ballistic missile technology to whatever country would pay for it. (they sold nuclear technology to Egypt and Ballistic missile technology to Irak, for example.)
Now Argentina is becoming a shithole thanks to the socialist
Brazil as well.
Lmfao can you imagine someone walking up to you holding up a sign that says “turns out you suck” 😂😂😂😂
0:07 yeah looking at Ukraine's situation today it probably should've kept those
No one was really concerned that a democratic SA would nuke anyone. But there were enormous concerns that the nukes could be sold to other countries, particularly Libya, since the ANC had a friendly relationship with Gaddafi.
Correct and South Africa is presently fostering very warm ties with the likes of Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela and others.
And now this beautiful country is sadly going down. This is my birth country, it is my home and would never live anywhere else. I love all its people..... I pray for all its people.
A video on the History of Panama would be interesting.
2:48 wise decision
based
Indeed
Good call on their part, I don't like thinking of their current clown-show having access to nukes.
You could have mentioned, at least briefly, why the map suddenly changed and the country was half the size....
South Africa gave up its control over South-West Africa (former German South-West Africa). It was handed to South Africa by the British when Germany's territories were seized
Namibia got its independence
Although its unfair that noting about that was mentioned
The Northwestern part use to be owned by Germany, but the U.K. never fully supported the idea of South Africa getting that country. It was more of a South African territory and in 1990 it got independence when it was seen that the USSR was no longer a threat. I wish the U.K. would have supported the union, as it would have helped South Africa to be a greater nation.
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Wonderful video I am always amazed seeing your videos, they're so so sooo informative and knowledgeable. Keep it up 👍
Short answer. Nukes in the hands of the ANC would have been even more disastrous than the ANC alone has been for the country.
You should make a video about why portugal don't give up of his colonies
Or Portuguese Colonial War itself and his dictator Antonio Salazar
2:50
Smartest thing they could have ever possibly have done. Imagine if the modern day SA had nukes smh
South Africa would be what it is today if they had nukes. They would have to capitulate to foreign interest at every turn .
@@dronestar1118 imagine SA without european influence? i promise you it wouldn't have the universities, scientific discoveries, major cities & infrastructure, etc. it has today
@@lm_b5080 Won't know given the colonial governments ran roughshod over any and all native powers.
Ethiopia and Mali were both quite developed without outside interference. And to look further afield the Indians and Chinese were arguably more advanced until the middle ages, even having basic rocket tech the english and other would copy after invading.
Meanwhile look at former Yugoslavia. Absolute mess, why? they were the battlefield of outside powers for centuries, and then held together with gum by autocrats, not in much better state.
@@Joesolo13 Look at Somalia if you want to see Africa without European influences.
@@andrewdutoit9571 Look at Rwanda, Botswana if you want to see Africa without European influences.
Well, if you want to build a nuclear bomb, its pretty easy, you go to Brasil, and buy fairly cheap book called "A Fisica dos Explosivos Nucleares" which translates for The physics of nuclear explosives, it was made by a University professor who was dared to do it for his PHD, he use the only 2 pictures of the american bomb opened, and the scarce test results that were not classifed.
From nuclear nation to failed state in 30 years. What a waste.
People don't realize how sure it seemed that post-apartheid SA would plunge into civil war. Mandela wasn't just bringing equality, he pulled off the unthinkable. Equality with peace
dream on
@G Bone Okay except it happened dude. This was 20 years ago dumb bastard
Surely you mean "equal misery"........ the tome of "radical socialism"
@@JacquesMare okay, edgelord
@@CodaMission you should come and visit, so you can learn what the result is of what you admire.......
A video on Rhodesia would be informative.
2:57 I'm sorry but your flat delivery made this way to funny
After reading the title my gut reaction was the final reason given within seconds of the end of the video.
When I think of south africa it reminds me of Turkey where it was in a good position to improve but things have gotten worst
Wasn't turkey a more secular country? I mean what happened?
@@attiepollard7847 I'm not an expert on the subject but basically it was a key ally to the west especially under Mustafa Kemal Atatürk who made turkey the only major muslim majority country who didnt have the quran in its constitution. But after he died, over time turkey started becoming more right wing and nationalistic to now their president Erdogan is basically Russian putin in that he's made the country more aggressive, embraced conservative islam ( not the same conservatism as here in the west ), and has given the presidency more and more absolute power.
@@Spongebrain97 sound a lot like what happened to Iran after the 70s
2:33, the cute way of saying civil war
My grand father was one of the few nuclear physicist that worked directly with the uraniam materials in a under ground lab. He was sent to Europe to learn how to handle the radioactive materials in a safely manner. When they actually got to the testing it more of a test how to safely deliver the payload. He was going to work on 2 PhDs based on the data he was going to collect when they detonated the first bomb. But it was actually a Russian spy get that caught a glimpse of what they where doing and they alerted the Americans to do further investigations. That was when they used the satellite to see the testing and the next day my grandfather woke up to the South African president yelling at them to stop everything and they buried everything in a 20ft deep hole in the dessert along with his equipment for his 2 PhDs.
Sry for bad grammar English is not my fist language.
I kinda think that Nelson Mandela would've disarmed the nukes if these guys hadn't.
@bnet sucks how would have been politically suicide? There wasn't no countries around him that was a threat to SA when he was in office. Also who in the ANC would have opposite him getting rid of nukes?
Idk.......considering how he bungled up the AIDS situation there, woukd he really have done anything useful?
@@DoReMi123acb Nelson Mandela followed the pacifistic ideals of Mahatma Ghandi, that is why I presume he would've done it.
I like this videos because: FOR THE SHORT version you see the video and for the CORRECTIONS (yes, locals always know a little bit more) the forgotten details and the further explanations you go to the COMMENTS. PLUS THE JOKES.
Imagine someone like Julius Malema with access to Nuclear Weapons...
That's actually fucking scary.
2:55 - 3:00 That's why
lol imagine if the ANC was in charge of Nukes… they would have sold them on the black market to the highest bidder
"Although he stressed that this would only be for peaceful purposes, exactly ZERO people believed him" International relations: where lying through your teeth is peacefully accepted as normal behaviour.
Just imagine the present situation if they didn't...
You can’t put Nukes in the recycling, the local council would be very annoyed.
"We were bad but now we're good"
Had the ANC still had nukes , Zuma would have done a deal with the Gupta bros to sell them to the highest bidder.
Numerous ideas of Apartheid South Africa were terrible. But you cannot deny that the government of the time had one of the sharpest minds.
i really love that "insert earth here" in that logo 😂
South Africa once had nuclear weapons to protect itself from those around it.
Then they gave up those weapons to protect itself from those who were about to lead it.
They weren't wrong.
@@chrisporter9397
No they were not.
Thank goodness they had the foresight.
Rhodesia: We want monarchy
Great Britain: Naw mate
South Africa: We want no monarchy
Great Britain : *Hey wait that's illegal*