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Any of those listed rifles in the budget friendly yet highly accurate category?? New to the channel and hunting world. Looking for a .300 WM and I appreciate your help in advance! Keep up the good work!
STOP WITH THE .300 RECOIL, MOST RIFLES HAVE A BREAK ON THEM AND IT DOESNT KICK BUT LIKE A .243! AND THAT'S OFF A BIPOD NOT SOME LEAD SLED EITHER!!!! STOP EXAGGERATING CLOWN
Shoulder pain lol my 8 year old shoots my Christensen. 300 off a bipod it doesnt kick at all this guy is such a pssy! Yea it has a muzzlebreak look at videos it kicks like a .243!
@@chrismoreau6425 Recoil tolerance is subjective, my 300 with 200 brain projectiles, I thought was a little "up there" that didn't come out right, but 250's out of a light 338 educated me otherwise.
My first centerfire rifle was a .270 Win and I still have it (and love it). Living in north central British Columbia, I wanted something with more oomph for grizzlies and for hunting in the mountains where long range shots are a fact of life. 35 years ago I got a .300 Win Mag made by Krico. It's a genuine tack driver. The recoil is stout but manageable. It loves good old Hornady 180 gr. flat base InterLocks. It's my go to moose and mountain rifle. I have absolutely no desire or need of any other 30 calibre magnum. Reloading is easy. IMR 4831 works great. Yes, there's lots of newer powders but when you're getting half minute groups at 200 yards, why try 'fixing' it?
Kriko made excellent rifles back then, I have one in .243 Win & it’s a highly accurate and beautiful little rifle, the build quality far exceeds any of the current mass production offerings.
@@torreyintahoe Ummm...half minute shooting sounds good to me. You have to be a good shot to consistently do that. Any one can get lucky once in a while but consistent half minute is excellent.
I'm a fan of the 300WM. I own 3 and have owned at lest 3 others in the past. Very accurate. I hand load, so I can turn it in to a 30-30, 308 and a 30-06. Four guns in one. Recoil is stout. I have a Remington stainless that came with a factory muzzle break and it recoils less than a 308. It truly is a pleasure to shoot. Thanks for expounding on the 300 WM! Currently I'm setting up a Browning BLR take down as go anywhere gun. I'm getting it threaded for a break because the straight stock will kick you very hard. Thanks
Everyone keeps saying that the 300 wsm has the same ballistics as the 300 wm, its just not true. The 300 wm has a 90-100fps advantage over the wsm and it can run much heavier bullets. You can run a 220 gr 300 wm at the same velocity as a 200 gr bullet in a 300 wsm. Saying they are the same is like saying the 30-06 is the same as the 300 wsm. The 300 wm may be slightly less efficient, but just barely. The 300 wsm is a fine cartridge and if I didn't already have 4 magnum rifles, I would buy one. If it was the same as the 300 wm, the 300 wm would fall off the map.
My first center fire rifle was/is a Weatherby Vanguard in 7MM Remington Mag, been handloading for it since 2001And that belt on the brass does require some extra steps in the reloading process. It has less recoil than the 30-06 and shoots flatter with higher BC’s Bullets. What’s not to love .
I've told this story a couple of times before but not sure if I told it on this channel. When I was in highschool I worked at a small local gun shop. I basically grew up in this shop. Anyway.. my job throughout highschool was to load my pickup up with every used rifle we had come in on trade, mount one of our entry level scopes(sightron at the time) on it sight it in and put it back on the shelf with a target group cutout for sale as a "ready to go" rifle. I did this with every caliber imaginable. 17 all the way up to some 416 calibers. Anyway I'll get to the point... There was a used Kimber featherweight in 300 win mag that came in that looked like someone had dragged behind a pickup with a chain...rust scrapes, scratches, cracks. It shot lights out though. So it was priced to sell. We ended up selling and rebuying the rifle THREE times in as many weeks and the complaint was always the same. "Sob kicks like a mule!!, "I didn't expect that kind of recoil!!" Each time we refitted the shooter with either a 30-06 or 270 and they were happy as could be. Of course it didn't help that it was a featherweight. As near as we could tell it was a Kimber custom shop rifle that someone just horribly abused. I just always got a kick out of that story. It's one of my favorites from that old gun shop.
I have a 300 win mag in the Weatherby vanguard rifle. I had Weatherby put an Accu brake on it for me to reduce the recoil. I now have 300 win mag power with the recoil of a 243 caliber rifle. Fantastic can’t beat it.
Loved the 300WM and have had several. Used them with great results Uk and outstanding in Africa where I would suggest it’s the ubiquitous round for plains game safaris and ammo available most everywhere. I also use on a mostly daily basis a Borden 257 WM which is a fantastic very understated and understood cartridge with lots of energy and by comparison mild recoil
I bought a 300WM from Alamo Precision Rifles a few years back. Beautiful gun, but unfortunately for me I became obsessed with archery hunting at the same time. I've actually never used it in the field. I live on the East Coast, so lots of archery saddle hunting and .45-70 when I'm in the thick mountain laurel. One day I'll hunt out West where I can do the rifle justice.
I chose the 300 PRC. I reload 300 win mag for my friend all the time. Love the round. But I like the PRC better. Never really had an issue with the belts. They usually only swell with really hot loads. Great video. But my main hunting rifle is a 308 Winchester.
I was looking to get a 300 PRC but the non availability of brass makes me strongly lean towards getting another 300 Win Mag. I already have lots of brass and the dies, so it makes sense for me to stick with it due to availability. The Bergara MG Lite I’m looking at (not available in 300 PRC) has a magazine long enough to allow seating the big bullets out long enough to get plenty of powder behind. In my Remington 700P it runs out of magazine length before I get near the lands with the 210 Berger. I get 2900 FPS out of my 300 WM with the 210 gr Berger. I was able to get it to 2950 FPS but started getting a stiff bolt so I backed it off
@@michaelcheshareck3275 right now that is smart. I got lucky and bought 3 boxes of PRC. With Dillon reloading press the 300 win mag lower kit is the same for both cartridges so I can reload for both. Just got both case gauges and dies. Do both. I would do 300 win mag first.
@Terry Winderweedle recoil was not part of our discussion but you can add it if you want. It was more about availability of the two rounds. I run mainly 308 Winchester. Lighter and less powder in reloading. Do you have some relevant information on your experience between 300 PRC and 300 win mag? If so I would love to here your experience.
@@jeffgenchi5863 recoil on a 300 win mag with a brake isn’t that bad, to me. It’s pretty snappy without a brake in a hunting weight rifle. My 308 win POF Revolution DI isn’t a traditional hunting rifle but it is a 6.8 pound AR platform rifle with a good brake on it, and it certainly kicks way less than a similar weight 300 win mag. Cheaper to load 308 for sure, takes barely over half the powder I’m using in my 300 WM. But the 300 WM reaches out very flat and hits with authority.
My favorite 300 mag is the 300 WSM as well. Just great all around cartridge, also seem to recoil a little less than the 300 WM and this is across different platforms.
It holds less powder so of course it has less recoil lol. Seriously though I do love 300 WSM. I got a .300 PRC but ammo is so hard to find right now it is ridiculous. I really like the ability to load super heavy high BC projectiles. Heavy .300 bullets are actually more efficient than .338 LM.
Found this channel this morning!!! What a blessing -- also I am a 300 win mag fanatic (my precious wife got me a rem 700 5R setup for Christmas). I had been a 7mm mag fan for years … but she flipped me to the 300! Thanks again for this channel and all the work that goes into it … VERY appreciated !
I've owned the Winchester Model 70, the Sako 75 Finnlight, the Sako 85 Finnlight and the Browning A Bolt 11 in 300 Win Mag. I currently own the Tikka T3X in 300 Win Mag. All I've done to the rifle is to add a prefit Limbsaver recoil pad. It now feels like a 30/06 at most to shoot and is the most accurate rifle I think that I've owned. The trigger is awesome, the barrel is Sako and I can carry it all day. I also own one in 9.3x62 with a prefit Limbsaver recoil pad added and it also is very manageable to shoot of the bench. In the field all I feel is the report of the shot in my ears. Thanks for sharing!
The belt was absolutely there for head space. Originally it was made for straight walled high power cartridges. They kept the belt when they made necked calibers from the original is all.
And in a properly designed case head, it is much thicker than a non-belted head. No one seems to notice these days and marketers are too busy bringing too many 300 mags to market.
11:08 the belt is just a holdover from the 375H&H which did need a belt to headspace off of with such a subtle shoulder and it just stuck. The 375H&H is the only belted magnum I have reloaded for but for a 30 Cal magnum I'd go WSM or WM without issue and just bump the shoulder back to headpsace correctly.
Hey man, love your videos! I must admit, I was gifted a t3x supelite in 300WM. And obviously, recoil perception is different from person to person but I didn’t mind it at all. I also swapped out the buttpad with a limb saver, and added some natural weight with a scope and mount, and it softened up significantly.
I agree with your assessment of the WSM... Additionally, the WSM also makes the action torque (flex) less. While this may be splitting hairs, once you start shooting XLR, (1500+yds) you try to eliminate ALL flex...(ask any benchrest shooter)...!!!
T\C Encore in 300WinMag is a 28 inch fluted stainless barrel. No action to flex. Shoots MOA out to 1100 yards (at least mine does, and that's the farthest I've had the opportunity to test) with factory ammo.
Great info! I was in the market for a 06 or something similar and I ended up winning a 300wm at an event. It’s more than I really need, but it was free! I’m excited to test it out this spring.
The Tikka is a great rifle .They have a tendency to make most in superlite. Thin wimpy barrels.Not great for 5 round groups but great for hunting. I had a Sako .300Wby in a trg-s and loved it. Built a house and needed money. Friend of mine said it was my gun still but he had a heart attack and died.His wife didn't know the agreement so that kind of sucks but it happened.
I'd have to add the Winchester Model 70 Alaskan to the list. It's a great looking rifle with it's wood stock and iron sights. Plus the control round feed is awesome too.
Have a Tica in 300 WM. Ported it, and it is nice to shoot. 4 succesful trips to Africa taking virtually all plains game available. In New Mexico for elk right now and the Tika is with me
I'm not really a fan of the 30 cals but I definitely agree with the don't waste your money buying a 300 PRC unless you're needing it for long range or maybe if all you plan on hunting is moose or brown bear and you want some added horsepower at distance... I still preference something in the upper end of the 7mm family but I do own a 30-06 and 300 Win Mag and I've killed several animals with them. Love these videos brother keepem coming!!!
My first was a 30-30 up close firearm my favorite is 30/40 krag. But can't beat 300 win mag. Loaded with 165 or 180 gr. 300 yrd. Head shots. 550yrd. Elk pickup and planted big mule buck.
I got one back in 95'. Boy, does it work. It not only drops deer right now, it kills their shadow. LOL. I came to realize that realistic hunting ranges in my are between 30 and 100 meters so I stepped down to a smaller cartridge. But if I go another area that has open county and a cartridge with a whole lot of MOJO is needed. .300 win mag will get it done. Great video, as always. I trust that you didn't go hunting in Brazil.
My dad thought he might get assigned to Alaska in the Air Force and bought a 300 magnum. He ended up getting assigned to Oklahoma. Shot a few deer and a couple turkeys with it, but he doesn’t hunt anymore.
Ah...finally a opinion that I can bring another perspective too. The short neck also has more support. They won't crack as soon as a long neck. So if your reloading. They will give you additional loads. The belt. Because of the straight wall of the case, they tend to stick after discharge. With the added belt and chamber ment for it. The gasses that do make it backwards have a seal before the bolt face. Helping with cases from pushing out against the chamber wall as much. Helping with ejection. Even with cases such as the Mauser and British .303. That belt has proven itself in exstream trench war conditions. There are only two cartridges in this family as iam concerned. Two with similar flight path and case design. The 300 win mag and 7mm mag. Definitely hard on the shoulder! We still have a long way to go in ammunition design. More about calibers... then projectile design. A short action could easily compete if the projectile had better designs.
300 Winchester magnum is a great classic cartridge! One of my favorites the short neck and the belt has never caused me any problems and no one I know who uses it has ever complained about it… must be bullshit.😁
I’ve got a Mk-13 Mod 5 in .300 Win Mag and the Barrett Mk-22 MRAD Both with suppressors and both shoot the 220 grain Mk-248 ammo. They cost a lot and also weigh more than 14 pounds a piece. Yes these are actual to spec sniper rifles and have as much kick as an AR-15 in 5.56mm At a mile, I’m dinging steel 17 out of 20 rounds. 230 gr A-Tips are super accurate at a mile as well.
I shoot 180 in 300 mag it's good for heavy game like elk and moose but I see some people using 30.06 and 270 all good hunting cartage thanks for sharing
I just traded a Savage Axis in 308 Win for a Parker Hale 1200 in 300 Win Mag. Beautiful rifle. I reload using H1000, Win, Fed, or Rem cases and Federal magnum primers. I also use 180gr Nosler Partitions for moose hunting. It came with Over/Under rings to utilize the sights at close range. It came with a fixed 4x scope but I had a spare Bushnell Trophy XLT 3-9x40 with the 600 DOA reticle and put it on. The pit where I shoot is only 110 yards long but I was getting incredible accuracy. Stay safe and happy shooting.
The reason that it is head spaced with the belt is because it is based on the 375 H&H cartridge and when the engineers designed that cartridge they didn't think that there was enough shoulder on that case to properly set the head spacing so they came up with the belt as a way to head spaced it. All belted magnums are based on the 375 H&H case which is why they all have a belt. It has nothing to do with case strength. It is purely there for head spacing.
I don't see anyone talking about the 300 and 338 Norma Mags. Never heard of them until the buzz around the MK22. I'm surprised at how little content there is on them. Would love to hear thoughts on how they stack up. Thanks!
The "belt bulge" is real. Think of it like the muffin top on a fat person. Brass builds up just ahead of the belt, slid down the case, as a result of normal full-length sizing. My 7mm Mag would have trouble chambering after two or three resizings. The collet resizing die fixed this problem. I can get 10+ resizings with it.
Nothing wrong with the 300 WM, but I have been planning on 300 PRC for my next hunting rifle. I want the benefits it offers, & I reload. I look forward to you doing a video on 300 PRC in the future.
My savage 110 in 300 win mag shoots sub moa with everything I feed it, even cheap ppu soft points. Takes the same magazine as the 338 lapua so it allows me to load out to 3.850. Being able to load long pretty much gives me the same performance as a 300 prc. The 212 eldx @ 2850 fps is my go to load.
Recoil recoil recoil such a big part of what everyone seems to be talking about these days. I have shot my entire life and recoil for hunting plays no factor in what I shoot. In the excitement of a shot I don't even notice the recoil I'm too worried about getting the animal down cleanly and ethically. Then after it's down all I feel is excitement and relief knowing I put meals on my families plate for the next year. I consistently choose my 300 win mag tikks tsx lite or 300 wsm model 70 featherweight for deer and my elk gun is a 300 Weatherby in an ultralight mark 5. And never notice any wince or pull due to expecting unwanted recoil.
With a good brake, you can shoot a 300wm all day. I have a CVA cascade with an aftermarket brake. It shoots like a .308 without a brake, nothing you couldn’t handle for a range session of 20-30 Shots.
While I agree with most of your comments I still prefer my 300prc over any of the other 30cals I own. However since the purchase of a 6.8 Western all my 30cals have taken a backseat.
I always used to think that the 30/06 was the best round going! I've been hunting since I was a kid and now going on 63. To this very day I know that my 300 win mags are the cream of the crop, and I ain't kidding either! A 350 yd. Point blank range with regular 180 gr. Softpoints, even flatter with pointed boat tails, and only drops 30 in.@ 500 yds.when sighted in @ 200 yds. All of this coming from a flatbase 180 gr.spitzer @ 1850 ft.elevation.
With a good brake, I don’t think the recoil is any worse than a 30.06. Only thing keeping me from getting one, is the scarcity of primers and powder. I’ve got plenty of brass, and actually have a good supply of 4350 and 4831 powder, but large rifle magnum primers are near impossible to find, and I rarely used them before, so I only have 300 in my stash. If I could find a brick of them, I’d get either the Ruger Precision or the Savage 110 precision.
I'v got my Ruger mark ii SS steel all wether in 90's and in the Desert 🏜️ hunting you need longer range to shoot game 🎯 the 300 win mag is the one for me. But I got a 25-06 rem is a good one for me too for deer hunting Roswell NM White sands Desert N.M.
If I could only have one rifle, well, it would be the .300 Win Mag. I've hunted quite a few thing and made a few good shots in the 30+ years I've used one. I have a Browning A-bolt Stalker. I live out west and use it. There is one thing I've never thought about after taking any shot at a game animal, how much the rifle kicked. Use the right tool for the job
I went to Bass Pro years ago to buy a new hunting rifle. Salesman directed me to the Tikka 695 in 300wm. Bought it without hesitation. If it had a threaded barrel it would be perfect, but not necessary for hunting.
I was watching the biography of Charles Keating III, navy seal. He was killed in action but in the biography they had footage of him in a fire fight in Iraq in which you could hear him saying that he was going for his 300 win mag.
Back in 2007 I picked up a winchester Model 70 300 win mag that was a win custom shop gun with the claw extractor new for $325 on clearance at scheels that they found buried in the back. I’m still laughing finding that right after they put it out with that price tag. It was dirt cheap then and it was just after winchester discontinued the model 70 for a few years. It was a gun a guy ordered put money down and never paid off and picked up so basically I had to cover the remainder of he owed. Same day I then went to gander mountain and picked up a 300wsm model 70 sporter for $500 bucks. I have 825 bucks in two win m-70 300 mags. Feel like I hit the lotto that day
I just got a seekins precision havak element in 300 win mag and even though the rifle is 6 pounds without glass the recoil isn’t awful with the big break.
I'm not sure why everybody gets wound up about the short neck on the winmag. I'm running 208's at 2900fps 50' above sea level out of a 26"barrel. I don't think the bullet getting into the powder column is hurting anything. If you built a chamber around the round you intend to shoot, like hornady has with all the latest flavors of the month, you'll find out pretty quick that most of the new cartridges don't bring that much more to the table. Check out Mark and sam after work's testing of the big 30's. The winmag pulls ahead with the big bullets. The prc and the Norma really shine with the 225-225gr bullets. Which is what they were designed for.
personally I would take the 3006 or 308 both are more than enough for me. I used to live in Alaska I had moose with the 3006 and I had two friends that hunted with the 308 they both were totally fine and one of my friends with the 308 actually took an interior grizzly with his 308 1 shot kill. I also had a 300 weatherby Magnum but I realized really quickly what a mistake I'd made by buying it it was absolutely brutal. if you are hunting at ethical ranges there is really no need for a 300 win mag. Thank you 👍
I have something to add to your commentary about the 300 Win Mag. Especially when you compare it to the overrated 300 PRC. You can make the the 300 Win Mag far more versatile and easily comparable to the PRC by shooting the heavier, longer bullets and simply seat them out to a longer OAL. Many rifles will already be very compatible with this “adjustment” such as Remington, and Winchester, and with minor machining by a gunsmith the Savage 110. However, the Savage 110 will handle them in unmodified form and still allow you to have a two shooter vs a three shooter simply by loading one in the magazine and one in the chamber in a hunting or even a target situation and it functions flawlessly. My Savage 110 shoots the 225gr Hornady ELDM with H1000 powder into 1/2 MOA out to 1500 yds . And the plus side to this is also giving you slightly more powder capacity, which in turn makes the cartridge even more effective and efficient by bumping your velocity while keeping your pressures safe…. Other than that the 300 Win Mag is by far the most versatile cartridge in the fields. Love your shows, keep up the good work
Did not know Peterson had long brass i will have to find some. I use Preston Cartridge's long brass for reloading 300wm and its quality is certainly top notch
I’ve only shot one .300wm, an old scoped Husqvarna bolt action belonging to a friend. That rifle is factory compensated and it honestly didn’t recoil that bad.
We have way more cartridges then we need. With so many great choices these days, we can afford to be very choosy (even picky) with our preferences. I prefer not to have belts on my cartridges. I prefer a longer neck for caliber than the .300 Win Mag, and a wider powder column. I found the 6.5 Creedmoor does everything I need from a full-power rifle cartridge. I'm down to loading only that and the .223 Remington (all of my rifles are in either of these two calibers). It's wonderful logistically to only purchase two kinds of bullets, cases, primers, powders, reloading trays, dies, etc. What practical gain would I enjoy by adding more complexity. If I ever had a need for something larger, I'd purchase a .338 Lapua and be done with it.
An Alaska Master Guide told me that the 300 Win Mag is the best all around cartridge for North America. The neck length is a non issue. Headspace off the 30 deg shoulder. My rifle is a Model 70 controlled feed G series action. McMillan stock. Talley detachable mounts, Zeiss scope. Pac Nor Super Match Barrel 3 contour. SAAMI min body and match throat and lede. H4831 behind the 200 grain Nosler partition is poison. Last bull elk at 250 yds dropped so fast the guide could not get the camera going. Ammunition availability is a big problem with the competition. If you can't find ammo in northern Saskatchewan it is a no go for me.
I have a Tikka t3x in 300 winmag. First thing I did to it was thread the muzzle and put a brake on it. I think I’m going to switch it to 300 wsm when I switch to a carbon fiber barrel due to minimal velocity loss and better compatibility for shooting long bullets in a Tikka action. The biggest benefit to me of 300 wsm and 300 wm over 30-06, is the ability to shoot 190-215 grain bullets at 2800+ fps. My main hunting load for my 300 win mag is a 190 grain ABLR at 2950
@@jeremybauman8025 I did a 1/2-28 thread size with a hawkins 3 port brake. It still kicks pretty good, but not too awful. The 1/2” threads have worked fine so far. My gunsmith said he hasn’t ever had problems with it
My dad has a vanguard stainless synthetic in 300 win and you barely even notice it standing firing, the recoil pad is pretty large on those. It does go downhill a bit while seated trying to get groups however.
The only 300 WM I ever owned was a Browning BAR. Was a nice shooter, but overkill on whitetails and mulies. Traded it off for a Ruger M77 7 Rem Mag which, ironically, is also overkill for deer. Since the ammo and component shortages, I have refocused on my short actions. Bought a 6.8 Western Xbolt and a Model 70 Supergrade in 6.8 Western. Odds are that I will probably not own a 300 WM again. Good caliber, just have no need for it.
Have a tikka T3X in 300 winmag, after 5 shots i almost need it to replace my shoulder , but find a blessing just changing the butpad to a limbsaver air tech, now is basically like a 308.
I just picked up a .300 win mag in a Bergara HMR wilderness. It is very heavy but after 5 shots I was shooting less than 1moa. The felt recoil is less than my 6.5 creedmoor. Get a heavier model rifle with a muzzle break and recoil is not a factor. I shot 24 rounds and could have shot way more with no issues.
I owned a Savage 110 Ultralight for years when I was a kid. Dad bought it for me when I was 16 for a Christmas present. My brother split his nose by scope bite the only two times he shot it! After that I was the only one who would shoot it when we went to the range! I'm not a little guy, and I was an above average sized kid, but damn that gun would rock the shit out of you! Punchy as hell too!
The only need for a belted rim is to headspace early highly tapered "rimless" safari cartridges like .375 H&H Magnum that otherwise didn't have a consistent datum point for headspace. Prior magnum cartridges were rimmed, which are problematic in stacked-round magazines. By the the time the more conventional "North American" magnums were in development, the belted rim was not strictly needed but was useful as an established standard with some marketing cache.
Should do a ballistics video of the 284 as it’s very hard to find ballistics chart, and get some reliable information out there as it’s becoming popular in f class
I personally like weatherby actions as far as out of the box guns go. I tried the tikka and then tried the weatherby action the weatherby was so much more smooth and was not impressed by the tikka as my savage 110 ba stealth had a smoother action which I was surprised about.
I shoot the 300 norma. Bit more expensive. But I'm pushing a 230gr berger at almost 3100fps is great.... But the cost of loading for it is pricey. But great for extreme long range
There is one other detractor to the 300 Win mag. A 1 in 10 twist rate starts to have problems stabilizing the heavy for caliber bullets. It just boils down to the fact that the gun manufactures need to put a faster twist rate. Other than that the 300 Win mag is the bomb.
Well the 300WM isn’t really designed for long bullets anyway, if you are loading a high BC bullet in a 300, you’re losing a lot of powder capacity because you’ve got to cram the bullet deep in the case. If you need a rifle shooting 215 grain plus bullets the you should get a PRC or Norma mag.
I have identical rem 700's chambered in .300 rum and .375 rum both wear brakes both require ear protection. I wear electronic ear buds that also allow me to hear sounds I would not hear, soft sounds are pronounced also. As for recoil both are bone crushers without the brake on, they are set up identical and weigh like 12.5# a piece all in. Recoil off the bench is not pleasant with either, not painful just unpleasant.
I think the original belted magnum was the 375 HH with its long shoulder angle wasn’t ideal head spacing so the belt was added, maybe the 300 HH, Not sure?
I have a two question. Have you shot 160 grain bullets. I shoot paper. Plus my local shop carries 160 grain ammo. Next question what the barrel life on a 300wn. Just ball park. Thank you
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Any of those listed rifles in the budget friendly yet highly accurate category?? New to the channel and hunting world. Looking for a .300 WM and I appreciate your help in advance! Keep up the good work!
STOP WITH THE .300 RECOIL, MOST RIFLES HAVE A BREAK ON THEM AND IT DOESNT KICK BUT LIKE A .243! AND THAT'S OFF A BIPOD NOT SOME LEAD SLED EITHER!!!! STOP EXAGGERATING CLOWN
can you please say or mark which round is which from left to right or label in video?
I have a Tikka T3X Superlite in 300 WinMag and it actually doesn't bother me too much. The price of ammo helps to moderate the shoulder pain 😀
Shoulder pain lol my 8 year old shoots my Christensen. 300 off a bipod it doesnt kick at all this guy is such a pssy! Yea it has a muzzlebreak look at videos it kicks like a .243!
Same, my tikka is the D18 and by far the nicest shooting 300 I’ve ever had.
@@ColbyKittle My sako 75 is pretty sweet, try it without the scope using irons, nice balance.
I have the Tikka Superlite in .300 wm and I love it. Recoil doesn’t bother me at all…
@@chrismoreau6425 Recoil tolerance is subjective, my 300 with 200 brain projectiles, I thought was a little "up there" that didn't come out right, but 250's out of a light 338 educated me otherwise.
My first centerfire rifle was a .270 Win and I still have it (and love it). Living in north central British Columbia, I wanted something with more oomph for grizzlies and for hunting in the mountains where long range shots are a fact of life. 35 years ago I got a .300 Win Mag made by Krico. It's a genuine tack driver. The recoil is stout but manageable. It loves good old Hornady 180 gr. flat base InterLocks. It's my go to moose and mountain rifle. I have absolutely no desire or need of any other 30 calibre magnum.
Reloading is easy. IMR 4831 works great. Yes, there's lots of newer powders but when you're getting half minute groups at 200 yards, why try 'fixing' it?
Kriko made excellent rifles back then, I have one in .243 Win & it’s a highly accurate and beautiful little rifle, the build quality far exceeds any of the current mass production offerings.
4831 is my go to. I have 165 boat tail interlocks at 3250 fps for hunting, and 208 eldm at 2850 or so for ringing steel, both with imr 4831.
I'm using 4831 for 7mm rem mag. half minute groups very consistently and probably better than that in the hands of a better shooter.
@@torreyintahoe Ummm...half minute shooting sounds good to me. You have to be a good shot to consistently do that. Any one can get lucky once in a while but consistent half minute is excellent.
Well said
I'm a fan of the 300WM. I own 3 and have owned at lest 3 others in the past. Very accurate. I hand load, so I can turn it in to a 30-30, 308 and a 30-06. Four guns in one. Recoil is stout. I have a Remington stainless that came with a factory muzzle break and it recoils less than a 308. It truly is a pleasure to shoot.
Thanks for expounding on the 300 WM! Currently I'm setting up a Browning BLR take down as go anywhere gun. I'm getting it threaded for a break because the straight stock will kick you very hard. Thanks
Everyone keeps saying that the 300 wsm has the same ballistics as the 300 wm, its just not true. The 300 wm has a 90-100fps advantage over the wsm and it can run much heavier bullets. You can run a 220 gr 300 wm at the same velocity as a 200 gr bullet in a 300 wsm. Saying they are the same is like saying the 30-06 is the same as the 300 wsm. The 300 wm may be slightly less efficient, but just barely. The 300 wsm is a fine cartridge and if I didn't already have 4 magnum rifles, I would buy one. If it was the same as the 300 wm, the 300 wm would fall off the map.
Well said I completely agree.
Love my 300WM!😉
Have both if going hunting pick the win mag every time
Just like 7 REM Mag, there is a reason the 300 Win has held up for so many years.
It performs. It works. Therefore it sells.
Well put!
My first center fire rifle was/is a Weatherby Vanguard in 7MM Remington Mag, been handloading for it since 2001And that belt on the brass does require some extra steps in the reloading process. It has less recoil than the 30-06 and shoots flatter with higher BC’s
Bullets. What’s not to love .
I've told this story a couple of times before but not sure if I told it on this channel. When I was in highschool I worked at a small local gun shop. I basically grew up in this shop.
Anyway.. my job throughout highschool was to load my pickup up with every used rifle we had come in on trade, mount one of our entry level scopes(sightron at the time) on it sight it in and put it back on the shelf with a target group cutout for sale as a "ready to go" rifle. I did this with every caliber imaginable. 17 all the way up to some 416 calibers.
Anyway I'll get to the point... There was a used Kimber featherweight in 300 win mag that came in that looked like someone had dragged behind a pickup with a chain...rust scrapes, scratches, cracks. It shot lights out though. So it was priced to sell. We ended up selling and rebuying the rifle THREE times in as many weeks and the complaint was always the same. "Sob kicks like a mule!!, "I didn't expect that kind of recoil!!" Each time we refitted the shooter with either a 30-06 or 270 and they were happy as could be. Of course it didn't help that it was a featherweight. As near as we could tell it was a Kimber custom shop rifle that someone just horribly abused.
I just always got a kick out of that story. It's one of my favorites from that old gun shop.
I have a 300 win mag in the Weatherby vanguard rifle. I had Weatherby put an Accu brake on it for me to reduce the recoil. I now have 300 win mag power with the recoil of a 243 caliber rifle. Fantastic can’t beat it.
Hard to beat the 300 win mag or the 7mm rem mag
My 300 win mags ain't going nowhere. Don't even want none of these newfangled things.
Loved the 300WM and have had several. Used them with great results Uk and outstanding in Africa where I would suggest it’s the ubiquitous round for plains game safaris and ammo available most everywhere. I also use on a mostly daily basis a Borden 257 WM which is a fantastic very understated and understood cartridge with lots of energy and by comparison mild recoil
I haven't heard of the borden. I will need to look it up. Was going to neck down a WSM case to .257
I bought a 300WM from Alamo Precision Rifles a few years back. Beautiful gun, but unfortunately for me I became obsessed with archery hunting at the same time. I've actually never used it in the field. I live on the East Coast, so lots of archery saddle hunting and .45-70 when I'm in the thick mountain laurel. One day I'll hunt out West where I can do the rifle justice.
U wanna sell ur APR💵
I hunt with a Benelli R1 in 300 WM and love it. The R1 absorbs the recoil very well. Thank you for the video
I chose the 300 PRC. I reload 300 win mag for my friend all the time. Love the round. But I like the PRC better. Never really had an issue with the belts. They usually only swell with really hot loads. Great video. But my main hunting rifle is a 308 Winchester.
I was looking to get a 300 PRC but the non availability of brass makes me strongly lean towards getting another 300 Win Mag. I already have lots of brass and the dies, so it makes sense for me to stick with it due to availability. The Bergara MG Lite I’m looking at (not available in 300 PRC) has a magazine long enough to allow seating the big bullets out long enough to get plenty of powder behind. In my Remington 700P it runs out of magazine length before I get near the lands with the 210 Berger. I get 2900 FPS out of my 300 WM with the 210 gr Berger. I was able to get it to 2950 FPS but started getting a stiff bolt so I backed it off
@@michaelcheshareck3275 right now that is smart. I got lucky and bought 3 boxes of PRC. With Dillon reloading press the 300 win mag lower kit is the same for both cartridges so I can reload for both. Just got both case gauges and dies. Do both. I would do 300 win mag first.
@Terry Winderweedle recoil was not part of our discussion but you can add it if you want. It was more about availability of the two rounds. I run mainly 308 Winchester. Lighter and less powder in reloading. Do you have some relevant information on your experience between 300 PRC and 300 win mag? If so I would love to here your experience.
@@jeffgenchi5863 recoil on a 300 win mag with a brake isn’t that bad, to me. It’s pretty snappy without a brake in a hunting weight rifle. My 308 win POF Revolution DI isn’t a traditional hunting rifle but it is a 6.8 pound AR platform rifle with a good brake on it, and it certainly kicks way less than a similar weight 300 win mag. Cheaper to load 308 for sure, takes barely over half the powder I’m using in my 300 WM. But the 300 WM reaches out very flat and hits with authority.
@@michaelcheshareck3275 I agree totally. Between the two cartridges I really don't notice much. Brakes realty do make them nicer to shoot.
My favorite 300 mag is the 300 WSM as well. Just great all around cartridge, also seem to recoil a little less than the 300 WM and this is across different platforms.
It holds less powder so of course it has less recoil lol. Seriously though I do love 300 WSM. I got a .300 PRC but ammo is so hard to find right now it is ridiculous. I really like the ability to load super heavy high BC projectiles. Heavy .300 bullets are actually more efficient than .338 LM.
@@thatoneguy454c yeah for sure, its certainly part of the equation.
@@thatoneguy454c The new Norma 180g Bondstrike are great for the 300wsm. All over right noenit seems.
I like the 300 norma magnum, a lot better than 338 LM
I like the WSMs a lot. I have a 270 WSM. If I got a 30 caliber magnum, it would be a 300 WSM.
Found this channel this morning!!! What a blessing -- also I am a 300 win mag fanatic (my precious wife got me a rem 700 5R setup for Christmas). I had been a 7mm mag fan for years … but she flipped me to the 300!
Thanks again for this channel and all the work that goes into it … VERY appreciated !
What do you like more in the 300 than 7mm ?
@@dimmacommunication Would like to know the same. I cant decide between 300wm and 7mm for a new elk rifle this season
.30-06 for me - 22" barrel and enough juice for any critter out to 400-500 yards.
Can’t beat the .30-06!
Absolutely!
I've owned the Winchester Model 70, the Sako 75 Finnlight, the Sako 85 Finnlight and the Browning A Bolt 11 in 300 Win Mag. I currently own the Tikka T3X in 300 Win Mag. All I've done to the rifle is to add a prefit Limbsaver recoil pad. It now feels like a 30/06 at most to shoot and is the most accurate rifle I think that I've owned. The trigger is awesome, the barrel is Sako and I can carry it all day. I also own one in 9.3x62 with a prefit Limbsaver recoil pad added and it also is very manageable to shoot of the bench. In the field all I feel is the report of the shot in my ears. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for a great video and good info on the 300 win mag cartridge. I own a Bergara B-14 HMR in 300 win mag
The belt was absolutely there for head space. Originally it was made for straight walled high power cartridges. They kept the belt when they made necked calibers from the original is all.
And in a properly designed case head, it is much thicker than a non-belted head. No one seems to notice these days and marketers are too busy bringing too many 300 mags to market.
11:08 the belt is just a holdover from the 375H&H which did need a belt to headspace off of with such a subtle shoulder and it just stuck. The 375H&H is the only belted magnum I have reloaded for but for a 30 Cal magnum I'd go WSM or WM without issue and just bump the shoulder back to headpsace correctly.
Hey man, love your videos! I must admit, I was gifted a t3x supelite in 300WM. And obviously, recoil perception is different from person to person but I didn’t mind it at all.
I also swapped out the buttpad with a limb saver, and added some natural weight with a scope and mount, and it softened up significantly.
shooting both 300WM & 300RUM, i as well don't mind it & it truly isn't that bad. I guess it depends on the person/rifle setup.
I agree with your assessment of the WSM... Additionally, the WSM also makes the action torque (flex) less. While this may be splitting hairs, once you start shooting XLR, (1500+yds) you try to eliminate ALL flex...(ask any benchrest shooter)...!!!
T\C Encore in 300WinMag is a 28 inch fluted stainless barrel. No action to flex. Shoots MOA out to 1100 yards (at least mine does, and that's the farthest I've had the opportunity to test) with factory ammo.
Great info! I was in the market for a 06 or something similar and I ended up winning a 300wm at an event. It’s more than I really need, but it was free! I’m excited to test it out this spring.
That's awesome!!! How r u liking it?!
@@johnagen3688 I am! I put a brake on it and surprisingly it doesn’t kick much. Still playing around with ammo, but so far so good.
@@joncook6331 awesome!!!
My three go to cartridges....
22-250, 25-06 and .300 Win mag.
With proper bullets everything you will ever need for North America.
I'm with you in a general sense...mine are .243 .270 and 300 win mag
The Tikka is a great rifle .They have a tendency to make most in superlite. Thin wimpy barrels.Not great for 5 round groups but great for hunting. I had a Sako .300Wby in a trg-s and loved it. Built a house and needed money. Friend of mine said it was my gun still but he had a heart attack and died.His wife didn't know the agreement so that kind of sucks but it happened.
I have a couple of 30.06s, they are fine for my usage.
30 06 is THE true king!!!
I'd have to add the Winchester Model 70 Alaskan to the list. It's a great looking rifle with it's wood stock and iron sights. Plus the control round feed is awesome too.
I have this rifle (model 70 in 300 wm) and the recoil is so extreme that I am sore for weeks after shooting just a few rounds.
Have a Tica in 300 WM. Ported it, and it is nice to shoot. 4 succesful trips to Africa taking virtually all plains game available. In New Mexico for elk right now and the Tika is with me
I'm not really a fan of the 30 cals but I definitely agree with the don't waste your money buying a 300 PRC unless you're needing it for long range or maybe if all you plan on hunting is moose or brown bear and you want some added horsepower at distance... I still preference something in the upper end of the 7mm family but I do own a 30-06 and 300 Win Mag and I've killed several animals with them. Love these videos brother keepem coming!!!
The thing I always liked the 300 win mag is it may not be the best at anyone thing, but it's very good at everything.
Just ordered one in the CVA Cascade. Seems like a very capable/comfortable rifle/ammo combo.
My first was a 30-30 up close firearm my favorite is 30/40 krag. But can't beat 300 win mag. Loaded with 165 or 180 gr. 300 yrd. Head shots. 550yrd. Elk pickup and planted big mule buck.
I live in Missouri. I love my .300WM, but I hunt with good old .308 It does everything I need🤷♂️
I got one back in 95'. Boy, does it work. It not only drops deer right now, it kills their shadow. LOL. I came to realize that realistic hunting ranges in my are between 30 and 100 meters so I stepped down to a smaller cartridge. But if I go another area that has open county and a cartridge with a whole lot of MOJO is needed. .300 win mag will get it done. Great video, as always. I trust that you didn't go hunting in Brazil.
My dad thought he might get assigned to Alaska in the Air Force and bought a 300 magnum. He ended up getting assigned to Oklahoma. Shot a few deer and a couple turkeys with it, but he doesn’t hunt anymore.
Nice comparisons and rationale. I might also look at some of the Sherman 30's and absolutely the 300 Norma as well.
Ah...finally a opinion that I can bring another perspective too. The short neck also has more support. They won't crack as soon as a long neck. So if your reloading. They will give you additional loads. The belt. Because of the straight wall of the case, they tend to stick after discharge. With the added belt and chamber ment for it. The gasses that do make it backwards have a seal before the bolt face. Helping with cases from pushing out against the chamber wall as much. Helping with ejection. Even with cases such as the Mauser and British .303. That belt has proven itself in exstream trench war conditions. There are only two cartridges in this family as iam concerned. Two with similar flight path and case design. The 300 win mag and 7mm mag. Definitely hard on the shoulder! We still have a long way to go in ammunition design. More about calibers... then projectile design. A short action could easily compete if the projectile had better designs.
300 Winchester magnum is a great classic cartridge! One of my favorites the short neck and the belt has never caused me any problems and no one I know who uses it has ever complained about it… must be bullshit.😁
That comment is pure truth!
I’ve got a Mk-13 Mod 5 in .300 Win Mag and the Barrett Mk-22 MRAD
Both with suppressors and both shoot the 220 grain Mk-248 ammo.
They cost a lot and also weigh more than 14 pounds a piece. Yes these are actual to spec sniper rifles and have as much kick as an AR-15 in 5.56mm
At a mile, I’m dinging steel 17 out of 20 rounds. 230 gr A-Tips are super accurate at a mile as well.
Can confirm, my T3x SL in 270 Win kicks about as hard as my Bergara B14 in 300 WM
I shoot 180 in 300 mag it's good for heavy game like elk and moose but I see some people using 30.06 and 270 all good hunting cartage thanks for sharing
I just traded a Savage Axis in 308 Win for a Parker Hale 1200 in 300 Win Mag. Beautiful rifle. I reload using H1000, Win, Fed, or Rem cases and Federal magnum primers. I also use 180gr Nosler Partitions for moose hunting. It came with Over/Under rings to utilize the sights at close range. It came with a fixed 4x scope but I had a spare Bushnell Trophy XLT 3-9x40 with the 600 DOA reticle and put it on. The pit where I shoot is only 110 yards long but I was getting incredible accuracy. Stay safe and happy shooting.
Good trade! Thrown those over under rings away. 3x will be faster.
The reason that it is head spaced with the belt is because it is based on the 375 H&H cartridge and when the engineers designed that cartridge they didn't think that there was enough shoulder on that case to properly set the head spacing so they came up with the belt as a way to head spaced it. All belted magnums are based on the 375 H&H case which is why they all have a belt. It has nothing to do with case strength. It is purely there for head spacing.
I don't see anyone talking about the 300 and 338 Norma Mags. Never heard of them until the buzz around the MK22. I'm surprised at how little content there is on them. Would love to hear thoughts on how they stack up. Thanks!
The "belt bulge" is real. Think of it like the muffin top on a fat person. Brass builds up just ahead of the belt, slid down the case, as a result of normal full-length sizing. My 7mm Mag would have trouble chambering after two or three resizings. The collet resizing die fixed this problem. I can get 10+ resizings with it.
Nothing wrong with the 300 WM, but I have been planning on 300 PRC for my next hunting rifle. I want the benefits it offers, & I reload. I look forward to you doing a video on 300 PRC in the future.
What benefits??
My savage 110 in 300 win mag shoots sub moa with everything I feed it, even cheap ppu soft points. Takes the same magazine as the 338 lapua so it allows me to load out to 3.850. Being able to load long pretty much gives me the same performance as a 300 prc. The 212 eldx @ 2850 fps is my go to load.
Recoil recoil recoil such a big part of what everyone seems to be talking about these days. I have shot my entire life and recoil for hunting plays no factor in what I shoot. In the excitement of a shot I don't even notice the recoil I'm too worried about getting the animal down cleanly and ethically. Then after it's down all I feel is excitement and relief knowing I put meals on my families plate for the next year. I consistently choose my 300 win mag tikks tsx lite or 300 wsm model 70 featherweight for deer and my elk gun is a 300 Weatherby in an ultralight mark 5. And never notice any wince or pull due to expecting unwanted recoil.
Had the 300win forever but I got impressed with 300norma, I had one built. Keeping the win but the norma is my go to rifle now.
Love my bolt 300wsm... but recently purchased a 300winmag AR magazine type rifle. My new Battle rifle. (instead of my 308)
With a good brake, you can shoot a 300wm all day. I have a CVA cascade with an aftermarket brake. It shoots like a .308 without a brake, nothing you couldn’t handle for a range session of 20-30 Shots.
I love my bergara b14 hmr in 300win. With my load development I've got it shooting 3/4in groups at 200 yards with a hornady 178 eldm
While I agree with most of your comments I still prefer my 300prc over any of the other 30cals I own. However since the purchase of a 6.8 Western all my 30cals have taken a backseat.
That's strange. First time I've ever heard that. But glad you found what works for you!
I’m actually waiting for the new Tikka Super Varmint to become available. At 8.8 lbs, it’ll be good chambered in .300 Win Mag.
I always used to think that the 30/06 was the best round going! I've been hunting since I was a kid and now going on 63. To this very day I know that my 300 win mags are the cream of the crop, and I ain't kidding either! A 350 yd. Point blank range with regular 180 gr. Softpoints, even flatter with pointed boat tails, and only drops 30 in.@ 500 yds.when sighted in @ 200 yds. All of this coming from a flatbase 180 gr.spitzer @ 1850 ft.elevation.
With a good brake, I don’t think the recoil is any worse than a 30.06. Only thing keeping me from getting one, is the scarcity of primers and powder. I’ve got plenty of brass, and actually have a good supply of 4350 and 4831 powder, but large rifle magnum primers are near impossible to find, and I rarely used them before, so I only have 300 in my stash. If I could find a brick of them, I’d get either the Ruger Precision or the Savage 110 precision.
I'v got my Ruger mark ii SS steel all wether in 90's and in the Desert 🏜️ hunting you need longer range to shoot game 🎯 the 300 win mag is the one for me. But I got a 25-06 rem is a good one for me too for deer hunting Roswell NM
White sands Desert N.M.
If I could only have one rifle, well, it would be the .300 Win Mag. I've hunted quite a few thing and made a few good shots in the 30+ years I've used one. I have a Browning A-bolt Stalker. I live out west and use it. There is one thing I've never thought about after taking any shot at a game animal, how much the rifle kicked. Use the right tool for the job
I got a Noreen Carbine X in .300wm with a 16" barrel. Thing is a beast.
Excited video! I like the older tried and true cartridges.
Thanks, as always.
The biggest negative with the belted case is early case failure just above the belt. About 4 reloads is all.
I went to Bass Pro years ago to buy a new hunting rifle. Salesman directed me to the Tikka 695 in 300wm. Bought it without hesitation. If it had a threaded barrel it would be perfect, but not necessary for hunting.
I was watching the biography of Charles Keating III, navy seal. He was killed in action but in the biography they had footage of him in a fire fight in Iraq in which you could hear him saying that he was going for his 300 win mag.
Back in 2007 I picked up a winchester Model 70 300 win mag that was a win custom shop gun with the claw extractor new for $325 on clearance at scheels that they found buried in the back. I’m still laughing finding that right after they put it out with that price tag. It was dirt cheap then and it was just after winchester discontinued the model 70 for a few years. It was a gun a guy ordered put money down and never paid off and picked up so basically I had to cover the remainder of he owed.
Same day I then went to gander mountain and picked up a 300wsm model 70 sporter for $500 bucks. I have 825 bucks in two win m-70 300 mags. Feel like I hit the lotto that day
I just got a seekins precision havak element in 300 win mag and even though the rifle is 6 pounds without glass the recoil isn’t awful with the big break.
I'm not sure why everybody gets wound up about the short neck on the winmag.
I'm running 208's at 2900fps 50' above sea level out of a 26"barrel. I don't think the bullet getting into the powder column is hurting anything.
If you built a chamber around the round you intend to shoot, like hornady has with all the latest flavors of the month, you'll find out pretty quick that most of the new cartridges don't bring that much more to the table.
Check out Mark and sam after work's testing of the big 30's. The winmag pulls ahead with the big bullets. The prc and the Norma really shine with the 225-225gr bullets. Which is what they were designed for.
Here for Jim, commenting for the Algo!
Thanks man!
Would love to have you do a podcast on what happened to the 338 Express by Marlin and Hornady.
Yes! That would be interesting!
personally I would take the 3006 or 308 both are more than enough for me. I used to live in Alaska I had moose with the 3006 and I had two friends that hunted with the 308 they both were totally fine and one of my friends with the 308 actually took an interior grizzly with his 308 1 shot kill. I also had a 300 weatherby Magnum but I realized really quickly what a mistake I'd made by buying it it was absolutely brutal. if you are hunting at ethical ranges there is really no need for a 300 win mag. Thank you 👍
I have something to add to your commentary about the 300 Win Mag. Especially when you compare it to the overrated 300 PRC. You can make the the 300 Win Mag far more versatile and easily comparable to the PRC by shooting the heavier, longer bullets and simply seat them out to a longer OAL. Many rifles will already be very compatible with this “adjustment” such as Remington, and Winchester, and with minor machining by a gunsmith the Savage 110. However, the Savage 110 will handle them in unmodified form and still allow you to have a two shooter vs a three shooter simply by loading one in the magazine and one in the chamber in a hunting or even a target situation and it functions flawlessly. My Savage 110 shoots the 225gr Hornady ELDM with H1000 powder into 1/2 MOA out to 1500 yds . And the plus side to this is also giving you slightly more powder capacity, which in turn makes the cartridge even more effective and efficient by bumping your velocity while keeping your pressures safe…. Other than that the 300 Win Mag is by far the most versatile cartridge in the fields. Love your shows, keep up the good work
For reloaders, Peterson 300WM long brass negates the belt issue.
Did not know Peterson had long brass i will have to find some.
I use Preston Cartridge's long brass for reloading 300wm and its quality is certainly top notch
@@rollandklontz Graf and Sons has it.
Thanks Jimmy, good stuff 👍🇺🇸🗽
I’ve only shot one .300wm, an old scoped Husqvarna bolt action belonging to a friend. That rifle is factory compensated and it honestly didn’t recoil that bad.
We have way more cartridges then we need. With so many great choices these days, we can afford to be very choosy (even picky) with our preferences. I prefer not to have belts on my cartridges. I prefer a longer neck for caliber than the .300 Win Mag, and a wider powder column. I found the 6.5 Creedmoor does everything I need from a full-power rifle cartridge. I'm down to loading only that and the .223 Remington (all of my rifles are in either of these two calibers). It's wonderful logistically to only purchase two kinds of bullets, cases, primers, powders, reloading trays, dies, etc. What practical gain would I enjoy by adding more complexity. If I ever had a need for something larger, I'd purchase a .338 Lapua and be done with it.
An Alaska Master Guide told me that the 300 Win Mag is the best all around cartridge for North America. The neck length is a non issue. Headspace off the 30 deg shoulder. My rifle is a Model 70 controlled feed G series action. McMillan stock. Talley detachable mounts, Zeiss scope. Pac Nor Super Match Barrel 3 contour. SAAMI min body and match throat and lede. H4831 behind the 200 grain Nosler partition is poison. Last bull elk at 250 yds dropped so fast the guide could not get the camera going. Ammunition availability is a big problem with the competition. If you can't find ammo in northern Saskatchewan it is a no go for me.
I have a Tikka t3x in 300 winmag. First thing I did to it was thread the muzzle and put a brake on it. I think I’m going to switch it to 300 wsm when I switch to a carbon fiber barrel due to minimal velocity loss and better compatibility for shooting long bullets in a Tikka action. The biggest benefit to me of 300 wsm and 300 wm over 30-06, is the ability to shoot 190-215 grain bullets at 2800+ fps. My main hunting load for my 300 win mag is a 190 grain ABLR at 2950
Hey I'm curious what thread size an brake you put on.
@@jeremybauman8025 I did a 1/2-28 thread size with a hawkins 3 port brake. It still kicks pretty good, but not too awful. The 1/2” threads have worked fine so far. My gunsmith said he hasn’t ever had problems with it
Thanks . I'm looking for a brake with 1/2 threads for 30cal an haven't found anything yet so far🤔
@@jeremybauman8025 PVA, impact pro shop USA /axis precision worx, and area 419 with a 1/2-28 adapter are a few options
Ok thanks I'll look into those. I'm in comi Canada so see what happens
Grandfather had a .303 Enfield bolt action that ended up in my possession. Dirty Thirty.
I would imagine the belt on the case would help with case rupture from the case not being fully seated in the barrel or extracted early.
My dad has a vanguard stainless synthetic in 300 win and you barely even notice it standing firing, the recoil pad is pretty large on those.
It does go downhill a bit while seated trying to get groups however.
300wm necked to 7mm... absolute beast 💯
Trees grow back on their own. I wouldn't worry about in unless it's for future lumber demand.
The only 300 WM I ever owned was a Browning BAR. Was a nice shooter, but overkill on whitetails and mulies. Traded it off for a Ruger M77 7 Rem Mag which, ironically, is also overkill for deer.
Since the ammo and component shortages, I have refocused on my short actions. Bought a 6.8 Western Xbolt and a Model 70 Supergrade in 6.8 Western. Odds are that I will probably not own a 300 WM again. Good caliber, just have no need for it.
Just zeroed a new Bergara hmr in 300 win mag. So far so good
Christensen Arms Ridgeline 300 win mag left handed chief’s kiss!💋🤯🔫
Have a tikka T3X in 300 winmag, after 5 shots i almost need it to replace my shoulder , but find a blessing just changing the butpad to a limbsaver air tech, now is basically like a 308.
Do you have any muzzle devices on it?
@@codyblack1498 no, just the limbsaver
I just picked up a .300 win mag in a Bergara HMR wilderness. It is very heavy but after 5 shots I was shooting less than 1moa. The felt recoil is less than my 6.5 creedmoor. Get a heavier model rifle with a muzzle break and recoil is not a factor. I shot 24 rounds and could have shot way more with no issues.
I owned a Savage 110 Ultralight for years when I was a kid. Dad bought it for me when I was 16 for a Christmas present. My brother split his nose by scope bite the only two times he shot it! After that I was the only one who would shoot it when we went to the range! I'm not a little guy, and I was an above average sized kid, but damn that gun would rock the shit out of you! Punchy as hell too!
The only need for a belted rim is to headspace early highly tapered "rimless" safari cartridges like .375 H&H Magnum that otherwise didn't have a consistent datum point for headspace. Prior magnum cartridges were rimmed, which are problematic in stacked-round magazines. By the the time the more conventional "North American" magnums were in development, the belted rim was not strictly needed but was useful as an established standard with some marketing cache.
Should do a ballistics video of the 284 as it’s very hard to find ballistics chart, and get some reliable information out there as it’s becoming popular in f class
I personally like weatherby actions as far as out of the box guns go. I tried the tikka and then tried the weatherby action the weatherby was so much more smooth and was not impressed by the tikka as my savage 110 ba stealth had a smoother action which I was surprised about.
I have the S20. Havent found any ammo it likes yet. Can't pattern with box ammo and can't get reload supplies anywhere in western Canada.
I shoot the 300 norma. Bit more expensive. But I'm pushing a 230gr berger at almost 3100fps is great.... But the cost of loading for it is pricey. But great for extreme long range
There is one other detractor to the 300 Win mag. A 1 in 10 twist rate starts to have problems stabilizing the heavy for caliber bullets. It just boils down to the fact that the gun manufactures need to put a faster twist rate. Other than that the 300 Win mag is the bomb.
Well the 300WM isn’t really designed for long bullets anyway, if you are loading a high BC bullet in a 300, you’re losing a lot of powder capacity because you’ve got to cram the bullet deep in the case. If you need a rifle shooting 215 grain plus bullets the you should get a PRC or Norma mag.
Love the 300 Mag!
Amen!
I have identical rem 700's chambered in .300 rum and .375 rum both wear brakes both require ear protection. I wear electronic ear buds that also allow me to hear sounds I would not hear, soft sounds are pronounced also. As for recoil both are bone crushers without the brake on, they are set up identical and weigh like 12.5# a piece all in. Recoil off the bench is not pleasant with either, not painful just unpleasant.
I love hunting birds with this. 300 win mag is such a challenge to use. You have to lead the bird just right but it ruins some of the meat.
I think the original belted magnum was the 375 HH with its long shoulder angle wasn’t ideal head spacing so the belt was added, maybe the 300 HH, Not sure?
I have a two question. Have you shot 160 grain bullets. I shoot paper. Plus my local shop carries 160 grain ammo.
Next question what the barrel life on a 300wn. Just ball park. Thank you