Brigham Young Descendent Speaks Out! w/ Kai Van Leuven
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024
- On today's episode of MBR, Steven Pynakker interviews a direct descendent of Brigham Young about a new podcast called @JesusForMormonspodcast that he co-hosts with his pastor Di Beals!
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Covid woke me up and i felt ok to ask questions. I questioned everything. And questions are so important to ask and not ignore you questions. Our church was started because of Joseph's questions!
RUclips recently recommended their Jesus for Mormons podcast and was just yesterday thinking of suggesting both of you to do a joint episode! Nice!
Thanks for this comment. It was fun getting to know Steve and be on his show!
This is great - Mormons following a false gospel need to know the real Jesus ❤
Mormons know the real Jesus
@@DesertPrimrosesadly they do not
@@savedbygracethrufaith I'm sorry you feel that way
@@savedbygracethrufaith they sure do
@@Idk40003 no, the nature of the false Mormon god is wholly different than the true God of the Bible. You should look deeper into it. Jesus wants you to know Him ❤️
I 100% understand Kai, loved aspects of my Mormon upbringing and my local congregation. It helped me as a hopeful agnostic be able to attend again. I have no problems in my local ward
I had the same attitude for a long time. It was the dullness of the Gospel Doctrine and Priesthood "lessons" that drove me away (from attendance - I never resigned and don't intend to, not because I "believe" but because I appreciate the connection and I don't feel angry or let down by anyone).
This was gold right here at 1:00:00 “I don’t believe I have to help God get ahead, also I don’t believe I have to put down other people to do that. I would rather meet people where they are at, be ok with where they are at, I think God is ok with where people are at and that they are in process and I’m ok with that too”
Great couple. Great interview. Thanks all.
This is so good! Emily Partridge’s story specifically for me too was a big part of me losing confidence in the restoration. Her under oath Temple lot court case testimony was a big deal for me.
But they lost the case and she lied her rear end off
Thanks Steven great podcast 🙂
I was a history major at BYU in the 1980's I can assure that everything you find "untruthful" about the Church's version of its story was freely available to anyone who bothered to look (other than a few nitty-gritty details gleaned from recently released documents). I did not find it surprising that the church put its best foot forward to both members and non-members. Don't we all do that as we interpret and tell the narratives of ourselves? So I find it totally forgivable. I have not been to church since 1994 and have functionally "left," but these historical issues are not the reason. Though I know the historical issues extremely well (I've accrued two different History MA's, with different specialties, since BYU). The reason I stopped going was that LDS church meetings were so insanely boring and at such a basic level of thought that I wasn't getting anything out of it.
When it comes to a lot of the issues he brings us such as polygamy and the seer stones, from my perspective growing up in the early 90's was we were taught about polygamy very well, somehow starting high school seminary with the Old Testament made that easier I think because we went right into Abraham and Jacob and used videos from the Genesis project which was not affiliated with the church but the church used for seminary lessons at that time. By the time we got to Section 132 my senior year it was a no brainer and just appeared to me as common knowledge that Joseph practiced polygamy. I did notice other leaders do not focus on those aspects of the pioneers if that's what we can call them, but no one denied Joseph practiced polygamy in any of the lessons it was brought up in, again not that it was the topic for every lesson. I remember the seer stones being taught as well as the Urim and Thummim. Even as a young man and missionary I knew the pictures of Joseph skimming through the gold plates was just an artistic interpretation and not meant to depict the actual way it was translated. Those pictures don't show either the seer stone or the Urim and Thummim. And I do remember the Seer Stone being discussed by Lord of the Ring fans in the early 2000's since they were mentioned in the first movie.
With that said, some people were critical of discussing any meat in church doctrine always dismissing it as "that's not pertinent to your salvation" I never agreed to that because Joseph Smith taught it is impossible to be saved in ignorance, and how do we know what is essential to our salvation and what is not of the things taught in scripture.
I have noticed in some instances where people would rely on immature feelings as spiritual promptings to avoid complex discussions. For example, I have a friend who just couldn't believe Joseph Smith was a Freemason and I had no problem with it being that my dad was a Freemason as well as our butcher who came to our house to process our meat pigs. His name was Stan and while he cut the pigs up, I'd be talking to him, and he'd tell me all about Joseph and Hyrum being Freemasons and how he loved being a Freemason himself. I've always wondered why it was such a complex issue that Joseph would be a Freemason, and I began to notice that when Mormons and Masons were attacked together that Mormons would distance themselves unjustly from Freemasonry simply because most of them didn't understand it.
Same here. I love LDS church history.
Love lds history 2. Am xlds but found your comment thought provoking. Thank you🎉
@@marquitaarmstrong399 what era were you in the church?
In reference to the "Shock" you felt at learning about the LDS church's assets, well that is understandable. But placing those assets in context shows the difference. Evangelical churches have never at any time had the task of running a jurisdiction, even in areas in which Evangelicals are a large majority. The LDS church, like the Catholic church, was once a virtually sovereign entity which has demands not felt by those who did not have that role. Well after Utah statehood, continuing to the present day, the leaders feel a responsibility in the way government or corporate leaders would. One pressure that created was to push the LDS church to promote and select many of its leaders from business and law. Once in power, they behaved like astute businessmen and lawyers always behave. No one should be surprised that LDS church is rich and powerful. Honestly, it naturally follows from its historical milieu.
It hurts when other churches say i dunt believe in Jesus... Because i certainly do! Or a different Jesus?
Had a good friend in college who wore button that said 'Thank God I'm an Athiest.' To me that translated God is with us all. Was 18 but still translates the same at 76. Selah.
I graduated from seminary in Arizona in 1996, and I am always surprised when people are surprised by these historical things, because my seminary teacher and my parents talked openly about these things 🤷♀️ My parents, seminary teacher, and most of my siblings are still active believing members.
Yep, “that’s not the church I grew up in” or maybe you had your head in the sand haha anyone who leaves lacked the critical thinking to even confront this stuff while they were members
Four minutes in and YES the local members are great but the leadership sucks.
Yes.
@@marquitaarmstrong399 Yep.
Why make a thing about being descended from Brigham Young? Brother Briggs got around so much that I think everyone is related to him.
Not us Please God.
But you know that gets you to thinking about the Utah Face...
When you discuss your "emptiness" I think you have revealed that your real issues are not that you believe Evangelical Christianity has a superior argument or evidence to support it than the LDS church, but rather it filled a psychological need you had at the time. That's OK (I am a pragmatist) but don't deceive yourself or others that Evangelical Christianity is more "honest" than Mormonism. They are both hiding their weaknesses.
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History has been available. It was a different path to figure it out prior to internet. Men’s hearts will fail then. God will confound the wise. That’s why people are walking away. We know the end if times the wheat and tares. Where should they go? Thdg should go back. :).
SURE!!!!!
It was available but if you read it you were told you were reading anti-Mormon lies.
Joesph didn’t. At some point the Brighamite church needs to stop lying. 23:20
I would recommend you consider that Joseph never did practice polygamy and study what Jeremy Hoop and Michelle Stone have uncovered that the LDS church has tried to hide. They both have excellent youtube shows.
Read In Sacred Loneliness.
@@Jeanie-nv7lo If you consider Stone and Hoop apostates, wouldn't you consider Kai an apostate as well?
I totally agree! Michelle says there was a deceptive "spirit of poligamy" in the early church by those who were able to be deceived. Joseph and Hyrum were not able to be deceived. Nether were Emma and Lucy Mack. We're Brigham just deceived it did they do it maliciously to go against Joseph? I guess only God knows? Did did he and other church leaders back then repent in the spirit world after their death?
What makes someone an "evangelical" ?
Yes where do i go, say if the church starts sealing gays and such in the temple. That's a line in the sand for me! I can't go to another protestant church and still believe in Joseph and The Book of Mormon. Other protestants will not let you into their churches and esp if you start telling others you'll be kicked out! I learned from experience.
I am personally fine with that and I think it is inevitable but you could try the Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or Steven's favorite, The Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite). They all still believe in Joseph Smith and the BOM but I don't believe that they are liberalizing.