Great, unique breakdown man! Agreed 100%, though of course nothing is so black and white, but I believe you ultimately painted the foundation of the philosophy and it was spot on. My only real disagreement with you is Ms. Marvel (Kamala). She deserved to be in the top of this generation, even though she is essentially a derivative, but so is Miles. I would argue that Miles is much more of a derivative of Spidey than Kamala is of Carol, because Kamala's core of her character is still way more unique. Quite honestly, I think every character out of this latest generation is clearly a derivative of another character. It's also good to point out that this doesn't mean that those derivatives (or B list characters) can't still be valuable books and gain value long term, but we have to keep things in perspective and understand that their potential will never be on the same level as the main A listers. I mean, look at how successful Guardians was. These characters are loved by MCU fans, but Starlord's first appearance was losing value during the COVID spike. I also think the "derivatives" become even more volatile the newer the age. IE. Dane's first appearance will still be a better investment than a derivative character from the 90s, simply because it's a silver age first appearance in a legacy title. Again, great job man!
I've loved these whiteboard videos! Also just the channel in general. Love that you are an actual fan of these books and you bring that love of the books to the price side. I don't see my books as a legitimate investment, just a hobby, but I also don't want to be stupid with my money. Keep it up, man!
Great idea for a video but remember it sometimes depends on DOM (Deep of Market) ….meaning that you have to really consider the amount of these books on the census. When you look for example at Black Knight as an investment Avengers 47 and 48 these books are relatively scarce(around 2000 apiece on the census) with only a handful of 9.8’s total. But if you look at Black Knight 1 in 1955(Atlas Comics) that book is an absolute GHOST with only 105 on the census (First Black Knight/Ebony Blade) with the highest grade being 8.5. I say this only because we need to consider 1.) Supply of these specific comics (census) 2.) Demand (How big will a character blow up) 3.) Long term sustainability of a character (Spiderman as ultimate example) ….all that to say I think Black Knight is the absolute BEST SPEC in the entirety of comics. A blossoming movie star like Kit Harington signed to a 6 film deal with MCU with a character like the Black Knight(who became the head of the Avengers after Tony Stark died in the comics) ….your point in the video is well taken and it is all about the long term staying power….I think Black knight is a safe bet
Also has 2 do with success of movie. Check and prev before MCU. So spec is which story and which origin cinematic universe gonna make Cannon?? Case in point. Any thing with Bruce Campbell in it. Lol. Joker origin Killing joke. And Batman on the chair. Also case in point Secret wars. 2015 story not old one. Just some key events. I e Galactus doom and some spec. Just saying. Dc playing catch-up and making cartoons. Which no hate. But we lost Heath. Not my top but loved it. My top is Jack, and Luke. Phoenix did amazing. Just not a fan of the outfit. Also 2 prove a point. Moon Night??? The Fk is that guy?? But the show was amazing!! I will catch someone slippin. Bet. Also key spec Fam. Doomsday clock. Alternate universes Dr. Manhattan vs Superman!!! They gonna make something. Bk that story is kick ass. P.s Is the Prof X in the MCU in the animated series chair make that comic a key first app. Or does that mean that the prev Xmen movies with Stewart in now MCU and Whitman paradoxical??? 🧐🧐🤯🤯🤯🤷♂️🤷♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️.
As a 19 year veteran of the wrestling industry and the owner/booker of a pro wrestling promotion (VIP Wrestling in Dallas - cheap plug), your analogy to WWE is more accurate than anything I have ever heard. Great video!
Another correction Professor Swagglehaus, Hulk Hogan, Macho Man Savage, The Ultimate Warrior would be in the Silver Age of Wrestling. Wrestlers like Haystack Calhoun, Pat Patterson, Ray Stevens we’re on the Golden Age.
I like the comparison of mcu and WWE as far as the generational cycle. One argument I would make against the point of this whole "Whitman Paradox" theory, is that Iron Man was more of a 2nd tier character until the movie in 2008. Original and non derivitive maybe, but not the character kids wanted to be for Halloween in the 60s....50 years later, yes. Thats why, I believe with the right movie any of these "derivative" characters, like Nova, could be huge.
I think this is a pretty solid start. I think there are other factors that can affect a character, especially when we get to actors playing them in the MCU. You also have to take into account the points when people surge into comics. The boom from the past two years is going to create a lot of new fans, and I assume some of them will have characters from the later generations that they enjoy.
Had just had a drink of water. When you said nothing will come up in Google when you search the Whitman paradox because I just coined that term. Almost made me spit my water. That's a good one good job.
This video has serious “guy explaining an intricate conspiracy theory” vibes. Regardless of whether or not this information is useful, it is most definitely entertaining.
@@Swagglehaus Soo buy Darkhawk, got it thanks lol. If I get any brownie points on your channel know that I have decided Darkhawk 1-50 is going to be my first go at a run. I already have the more sought after issues, so it's more about the fun of the hunt and something to shoot for than the deal seeking. My only rule is no ebay. What not is okay cuz I already got a few random issues there lol. If you have any filler duplicates to part with, let me know.
Great presentation, Professor Swag! The WWE/F analogy was amusing! One example of MCU making second tier characters huge was Guardians of the Galaxy. If it’s done really well, it can be done.
I hear what you’re saying but will GOTG ever be as sought after as those other flagship characters though? Another example is Black Panther. Immensely popular character but FF 52 will never be in the same discussion as JIM 83 or TOS 39.
@@ryanthered4254 Yeah - the core first tier characters will probably always be tops. I guess I was thinking more of the higher performing movies made from second tier books, not so much the books. But FF 52 should be more valuable, right? 🔥
Bravo Professor SWAG. Thank you for the lesson. Please give me a few other examples of what you consider the 1st tier Modern characters and who is in the 2nd tier. Keep grinding bro!✌🏼
The professor is spot on! Who is your buyer, according to the first rule of the market? this apply to everything, and your explanation of it using the "Whitman dilemma" was lovely! Because there aren't enough purchasers to maintain the newly inflated price, the book will soar and then crash. Ha ha, I've seen you get a little more animated than usual, but I dig it! Excellent video, Swagglehaus!
I offer an alternate Whitman paradox to you. I have been collecting comics since the early 1980s. When we were collecting in the 80s and 90s Whitman re-prints were not considered collectible. And then in the early 2000s people realizing the scarcity of Whitman re-prints started purchasing them and some of them became more valuable than the original books.
Professor Swag is on point!! First rule of the market place- who is your buyer? Applies to anything and you described it beautifully with the Whitman Paradox! The book will spike and then dump because there aren't enough buyers in the market to support the new inflated price. I noticed you get a little more worked up than normal using the whiteboard but I like it!! 😂 Another great video Swag!!
I'm not sure what the paradox is but I've always said, collecting anything but blue chip charcaters for long term investment is a waste of money. The only people who benefit from lower tier characters is flippers taking advantage of a FOMO that shouldn't exist except within the flipping circle. This is the paradox. The circle keeps flipping until the FOMO dies off and some poor long term collector ends up with a comic that no longer has demand or value they paid.
Swear to God, I thought you were going to talk about the Whitman 3 packs and such. It's the demand side of economics. Will there ever be the demand for Black Knight that there is for Black Panther or Silver Surfer? I think the books will rise again, but may not hit the heights of the summer of 2021 any time soon.
You're absolutely right. Mid tier or lower tier characters will probably always be that tier unless the fans go completely bonkers and make the character a huge phenomenon which can happen but has a low probability of happening.
To be fair, Harley Quinn, one of DC’s most popular characters of all time was introduced into comics in 1993. Not to mention Chamber, Sync, et al, being introduced in 1994. Massive characters with huge followings. Basically, I think the 90s sorta breaks your formula because the output of new characters was SO massive and there was SO much energy around the medium of comics: Hell, Spawn? I mean, yeah.
Well swag,you caught me off guard with the Whitman paradox, lol. I thought you were going to touch on Whitman comics. I must be getting old. Haha, Great topic though, love the whiteboard,please keep it along with other great info ol' wise one. Thanks swag for sharing
Am I the only guy who loves the Avengers 47 cover? Haha I am a huge Magneto fan, but Dane Whitman's 1st appearance was secondary for me (and Hercules first solo story!). Granted I paid about 10% of the current FMV for it, hope they give Jon Snow some fancy sword work in his next Marvel film! 😜
Great job on the Whitman Paradox, which is now gonna be a thing. A couple of things to add. 1) You’re not a real Black Knight fan like 2 of us out here unless you know who Exodus is. Hint Black Knight is Exodus is Black Knight. 2) I feel like you didn’t touch Darkhawk b/c you were afraid he might be derivative lol. I feel ya 3) Only a select few such as Stan and Jack and some hardcore fans knew that Iron Man was top tier, until one day Joss Whedon and RDJ came along and showed us that truth. And Marvel’s been trying to copy that formula and failing with lower tier character after lower tier character. Morbius is probably the latest example of that. Sorry Ms Marvel and She-Hulk might be the same there. 4) There are some special creators out there who can recognize the potential of 2nd or 3rd tier and raise them up higher if they do it right. Thanks, Enjoyed the video!
Just getting to this and its great, but I would argue that the Newest subset started in 2011(Miles)-2017 with its fluff books being 2018-now. And that Modern should be 2000-2006/2007-2010.
This is my perpetual question about comic book speculators. They are trying to be in advance of an organic fandom, but end up creating a supply for a demand that doesn't exist.
Such an awesome parody of a lecture class - hilarious! And even better because you actually have a valid theory to present. Of course it’s complicated and there will be exceptions (for example what do you do with Silver Surfer, Galactus and Black Panther who all definitely have a big following?). Fun, nicely done. :)
Great video! Thanks for putting that together. I couldn’t agree more with everything. It all boils down to supply and demand. How many people are buying, and how does the amount available fulfill that demand. Anyone who is a die-hard Black Night fan, likely already had the book. If they were priced out before the news, they are still likely priced out. So who’s buying? I feel the same thing happened with Carnage but a bit different. There are a ton of Carnage fans but the book still out-populated the demand. You gotta look at who’s going to be buying, and what their intentions are. Carnage fans already had their copy and when the movie came out there were few buyers left but a ton of books on the market. If you’re buying to flip, you better have a plan on who you’re selling to, and if they even exist!
For sure. I think the MCU can def help make characters more popular overall...but I wouldn't let that be the only factor in driving my buying decisions.
I think there's definitely a useful philosophy here and I'll definitely remember it when considering my future specs. However, I did put my tin foil hat on around the 8 minute mark so I'm not so sure that EVERY character fits so neatly into the eras set out here. Also, I appreciate you leaving SpiderGwen out of this. I woulda felt some kinda way 😂😂 😂
Hello I wanted to as a question, I bought a avengers #48 first appearance of black knight and there is a staple missing but there was never any indication the staple was removed so I wanted to ask if I were to send it to cgc will it be counted as a defect and will it affect the grade?
He's def a cool character and his 1st appearance will have value...just the overall point I'm making is that I wouldn't expect his books values to ever rival the values of the popular characters that came before him in the bronze age.
It’s like a Sine wave. I wonder if that’s just the way our mind works. Are those derivative characters actually bad or did they just get introduced at a bad time. What creates that next generation of characters? Do you think it has anything to do with the characters before them not being well received regardless of the reason? If if that reason is they just happened to follow a great act.
Its hard to say exactly...I just think what happens is that the characters that come later always have to live under the shadow of the successful characters that came before. So its harder from them to breakout. And then you get these boom and bust cycles where eventually you do have that "breakout star" and the cycle repeats
@@Swagglehaus maybe you and Feige are on the same page Swag. Maybe they did something similar in their boardrooms and this is why they are putting these derivative characters first. They have the most meat on the bone because they never really had their time in the sun. I wonder what the readership is like on the derivative characters’ current volume of books once they get a show. Are kids running out and buying Nova 1 or Moon Knight 1 the current volumes? If so that may make these books HOT 🔥🔥🔥 😂 jk kidding Swag. Maybe not flaming hot but spec potential maybe?
13:10 for ref. Days of future past. How do we deal with story F ups. Ah back 2 the future. Alternate universe and story line??? But I ask u. What story line is cannon?? Take Lobo Dc for example. If your theory is correct then “I Cuncur.”
Great video! Can we find a correlation of comic book ages with economic trends (Inflation, deflation, etc) to determine when the next age will start happening (If that's even possible)? Based on your hypothesis the next comic book age is going to give us some legacy (Diamond/to hold) characters.
2:47 in. Had the first 5 issues of walking dead. Traded them for a way bigger spawn collection. So. The paradox is Who Knew??? Makes it way better when u buy multiples of goodies at low cost bk u already got one. Nice one. And cash in. Or just picked up Ran Dumb comics and score. I e Thor 1 with Jane. Or Young Avengers. Or secret wars 2015. Bk u already got The first. Also that note same time. Deadpool Now!!! And DP secret secret wars. First app GwenPool. Just saying. P.s “You caught me monologue in.” (Syndrome)
I apologize to the two of you Black Knight Fans LOL. I think you're being generous to assume there are two. So in conclusion...The Whitman Paradox is not a paradox after all and will not exist now or in the future? Like watching Russell Crowe in a Beautiful Mind.
I will ask u. When does collecting become a problem. When u go broke? Or have so much of collectibles others are uncomfortable. I collect Baseball cards, comics, movies, and toys. And I only collect the ones that I like now. But most are in boxes and kept safe and not displayed. My point is my money is tied into my collection. But my collection makes me happy. When the world sucks and I am broke. Bk worst case I can hawk 3 or 4 books and get what I need. Or continue to collect on a budget be responsible and go 2 work. Or win the lottery and become a RUclips guy. Or??? “Lightning has just struck my brain.” (Smee). Sell my entire collection and roll the dice??? Quit my job and start a channel??? Also comics are Spawn, Batman, (mainly Joker). Harley Quinn. And Ones that I find interesting. I e Doomsday Clock!!! 🤯🤯🤯.
Also I am a hustler. Fam. So price is relative 2 need and want. Real Talk. I got a spiddy 300 news. Raw. Price guide low say 350. Situation am I coming 2 you. Or u coming 2 me. If I need the bread then I take what I can get. But problem is that book makes me happy. Along with others. That said price is relative 2 the person with money…. 🧐🧐
If a character has been out for 60 yrs and never caught traction or sold tons of comics they probably won't now. That's a logical assumption based on data.
14:56 ummm Doomsday??? Superman was dead. And Dc was making shit movies. And marvel was pumping out gold.?? My have the tables turned. I will wait another 30 years for doomsday clock. Still waiting for a Hoverboard and a Thundercats live action. I still have my death of Superman. Spent a bill for 2 50 bucks each. Opened one and still got the other. Picked up the entire run later Best cover Batman atop the hall throwing Superman’s cape. First comic my dad ever bought me. But my grandmother got me spawn 17 u gotta have deep pockets 2 get my happiness. P.s Nova?? How about Thor 1 with Jane??? Who saw that coming?? P.p.s. Doomsday clock and Deadpool secret secret wars..??? With my boy Ryan as Dp. And the success of his movies??? I mean. We gonna see secret wars. #Scottieyoung variants. Also. Hastings. Lol. When u spec and win? That’s like female friends with sneak previews.
I think this now boils down to buy, collect, and speculate what you like. The odds are in your favor that when it’s time to sell, you’ll find a buyer. A lot of rehashed characters are floating around out there pretending to be “blue chip keys”. Great job planting the seeds to encourage critical thinking to the community. Keep it up. We need guys like yourself.
16:41 “No, No,No!” (Captain James Hook) in Hook. Smh. What happened is the unknown element of your theory. Creations of a character happen all the time. Now if they pop or flop is a q of relevance 2 the viewer. Real talk u can’t please everyone especially now. Bk people get all butthurt. And get emotional. Hence the fall of the attitude era. Hater gonna hate. Example I thought Bane sucked. But when he live action broke the bat. I was like check. On board. That stated Bane with Ivy. I love Uma. But he sucked. So like young avengers. And Jane Thor??? Might as well be talking x-23 in a test tube.
13:02 in. Had 2 do things explains the pause. Wwf popularity can not truly explained without NWO case in point the ability 2 flip channels back and forth. 🤯🤯🤯. Example simpsons moving 2 Thursday. Really?? 🤦♂️. Any ways I digress. Case in point. No us nerds or as I like 2 refer 2 my self. Well versed in useless knowledge that makes me no money. And now as a fully functioning adult single male of society. “I am a kiss stealing, slab riddin, white cup sippin, belt buckle wearin, #NeRdHoOdALPHA ; , son of a gun.” (Nature Boy and my take). “Wooooo!!!” (#Rickflairfanclub
The character breakdown by eras is great, but I don't see an equation here that leads from your premise to the conclusion. It's really more like three unlike concepts huddled under a leaky umbrella. And, don't get me wrong - I like the video and I like the content you create, but this particular video coins a term that doesn't represent the content. I think most of us were hoping to see something about the Whitman Variants (which actually does represent a paradox when compared with modern reprints and variants). On a basic level this example you give is neither a paradox nor germane to only Dane Whitman, and the anagram seems a bit shoe-horned, but the strongest tenet (that the people who supposedly want these books are likely the very same people that already have them) is important for collectors to realize.
The reason I go through the acronym is for entertainment purposes. Overall, the idea is that character popularity comes in cycles and that you have to consider which characters are the most popular in order to understand what books are going to be able to maintain their floor values. With this understanding, you can then see how the Black Knight book will likely not have as strong support floor in the future. This becomes a paradox because everyone assumes the book will go up in value yet everyone is also planning on flipping the book.
Great, unique breakdown man! Agreed 100%, though of course nothing is so black and white, but I believe you ultimately painted the foundation of the philosophy and it was spot on. My only real disagreement with you is Ms. Marvel (Kamala). She deserved to be in the top of this generation, even though she is essentially a derivative, but so is Miles. I would argue that Miles is much more of a derivative of Spidey than Kamala is of Carol, because Kamala's core of her character is still way more unique. Quite honestly, I think every character out of this latest generation is clearly a derivative of another character.
It's also good to point out that this doesn't mean that those derivatives (or B list characters) can't still be valuable books and gain value long term, but we have to keep things in perspective and understand that their potential will never be on the same level as the main A listers. I mean, look at how successful Guardians was. These characters are loved by MCU fans, but Starlord's first appearance was losing value during the COVID spike.
I also think the "derivatives" become even more volatile the newer the age. IE. Dane's first appearance will still be a better investment than a derivative character from the 90s, simply because it's a silver age first appearance in a legacy title.
Again, great job man!
Oh. Dane Whitman. Was hoping this would be about Whitman variants. 🤔
Hehe, yeah. I do need to do a video on those variants at some point
I thought the same thing
I, too, was expecting a Whitman vs Reprint vs Variant conversation.
Sir, when you step into “the other side of the room” you have my full attention.
Hahah you know it’s gonna be fun when the camera is pointed this way
Skipping now and I have the whole bottom row. No slab. Raw. #HTX
I've loved these whiteboard videos! Also just the channel in general. Love that you are an actual fan of these books and you bring that love of the books to the price side. I don't see my books as a legitimate investment, just a hobby, but I also don't want to be stupid with my money. Keep it up, man!
Great idea for a video but remember it sometimes depends on DOM (Deep of Market) ….meaning that you have to really consider the amount of these books on the census. When you look for example at Black Knight as an investment Avengers 47 and 48 these books are relatively scarce(around 2000 apiece on the census) with only a handful of 9.8’s total. But if you look at Black Knight 1 in 1955(Atlas Comics) that book is an absolute GHOST with only 105 on the census (First Black Knight/Ebony Blade) with the highest grade being 8.5. I say this only because we need to consider 1.) Supply of these specific comics (census) 2.) Demand (How big will a character blow up) 3.) Long term sustainability of a character (Spiderman as ultimate example) ….all that to say I think Black Knight is the absolute BEST SPEC in the entirety of comics. A blossoming movie star like Kit Harington signed to a 6 film deal with MCU with a character like the Black Knight(who became the head of the Avengers after Tony Stark died in the comics) ….your point in the video is well taken and it is all about the long term staying power….I think Black knight is a safe bet
Also has 2 do with success of movie. Check and prev before MCU. So spec is which story and which origin cinematic universe gonna make Cannon?? Case in point. Any thing with Bruce Campbell in it. Lol. Joker origin Killing joke. And Batman on the chair. Also case in point Secret wars. 2015 story not old one. Just some key events. I e Galactus doom and some spec. Just saying. Dc playing catch-up and making cartoons. Which no hate. But we lost Heath. Not my top but loved it. My top is Jack, and Luke. Phoenix did amazing. Just not a fan of the outfit. Also 2 prove a point. Moon Night??? The Fk is that guy?? But the show was amazing!! I will catch someone slippin. Bet. Also key spec Fam. Doomsday clock. Alternate universes Dr. Manhattan vs Superman!!! They gonna make something. Bk that story is kick ass.
P.s Is the Prof X in the MCU in the animated series chair make that comic a key first app. Or does that mean that the prev Xmen movies with Stewart in now MCU and Whitman paradoxical??? 🧐🧐🤯🤯🤯🤷♂️🤷♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️.
As a 19 year veteran of the wrestling industry and the owner/booker of a pro wrestling promotion (VIP Wrestling in Dallas - cheap plug), your analogy to WWE is more accurate than anything I have ever heard. Great video!
Another correction Professor Swagglehaus, Hulk Hogan, Macho Man Savage, The Ultimate Warrior would be in the Silver Age of Wrestling. Wrestlers like Haystack Calhoun, Pat Patterson, Ray Stevens we’re on the Golden Age.
Left-handers UNITE
I like the comparison of mcu and WWE as far as the generational cycle. One argument I would make against the point of this whole "Whitman Paradox" theory, is that Iron Man was more of a 2nd tier character until the movie in 2008. Original and non derivitive maybe, but not the character kids wanted to be for Halloween in the 60s....50 years later, yes. Thats why, I believe with the right movie any of these "derivative" characters, like Nova, could be huge.
I think this is a pretty solid start. I think there are other factors that can affect a character, especially when we get to actors playing them in the MCU. You also have to take into account the points when people surge into comics. The boom from the past two years is going to create a lot of new fans, and I assume some of them will have characters from the later generations that they enjoy.
Had just had a drink of water. When you said nothing will come up in Google when you search the Whitman paradox because I just coined that term. Almost made me spit my water. That's a good one good job.
This video has serious “guy explaining an intricate conspiracy theory” vibes. Regardless of whether or not this information is useful, it is most definitely entertaining.
hehe, that's kinda the vibe I'm going for :P
We’re already seeing it with The Eternals. Those books are cheaper than they were before the movie spec.
Swag!!!!!!!!!!! I needed you as my teacher in HS. You the man! I loved this and the other whiteboard vid. Professor Swag in the house! Good stuff bro.
haha thanks! Glad you liked it!
I am also LEFT HANDED the saying goes: Left Handed people are the only ones in their RIGHT mind🤘🤘🤘
My brain is mush after that. I think all I got out of it was buy Darkhawk?
Also shout out to a fellow lefty!
hehe, def not the takeaway ;)
@@Swagglehaus Soo buy Darkhawk, got it thanks lol. If I get any brownie points on your channel know that I have decided Darkhawk 1-50 is going to be my first go at a run. I already have the more sought after issues, so it's more about the fun of the hunt and something to shoot for than the deal seeking. My only rule is no ebay. What not is okay cuz I already got a few random issues there lol. If you have any filler duplicates to part with, let me know.
You’re hearing it here first, Tosin is the new modern age character at the top of the food chain 😂
Great presentation, Professor Swag! The WWE/F analogy was amusing! One example of MCU making second tier characters huge was Guardians of the Galaxy. If it’s done really well, it can be done.
I hear what you’re saying but will GOTG ever be as sought after as those other flagship characters though? Another example is Black Panther. Immensely popular character but FF 52 will never be in the same discussion as JIM 83 or TOS 39.
@@ryanthered4254 Yeah - the core first tier characters will probably always be tops. I guess I was thinking more of the higher performing movies made from second tier books, not so much the books. But FF 52 should be more valuable, right? 🔥
Let’s do another like this. I love these analysis videos. They’re different than any other youtuber. That’s what differentiates SWAGGY
I love this video! You have me completely rethinking some of my spec strategy now
Bravo Professor SWAG. Thank you for the lesson. Please give me a few other examples of what you consider the 1st tier Modern characters and who is in the 2nd tier. Keep grinding bro!✌🏼
The professor is spot on! Who is your buyer, according to the first rule of the market? this apply to everything, and your explanation of it using the "Whitman dilemma" was lovely!
Because there aren't enough purchasers to maintain the newly inflated price, the book will soar and then crash. Ha ha, I've seen you get a little more animated than usual, but I dig it! Excellent video, Swagglehaus!
Yup! Exactly!
I offer an alternate Whitman paradox to you. I have been collecting comics since the early 1980s. When we were collecting in the 80s and 90s Whitman re-prints were not considered collectible. And then in the early 2000s people realizing the scarcity of Whitman re-prints started purchasing them and some of them became more valuable than the original books.
Professor Swag is on point!! First rule of the market place- who is your buyer? Applies to anything and you described it beautifully with the Whitman Paradox! The book will spike and then dump because there aren't enough buyers in the market to support the new inflated price. I noticed you get a little more worked up than normal using the whiteboard but I like it!! 😂 Another great video Swag!!
I'm not sure what the paradox is but I've always said, collecting anything but blue chip charcaters for long term investment is a waste of money. The only people who benefit from lower tier characters is flippers taking advantage of a FOMO that shouldn't exist except within the flipping circle. This is the paradox. The circle keeps flipping until the FOMO dies off and some poor long term collector ends up with a comic that no longer has demand or value they paid.
Whether I agree with you or not (which in this case, I do - see my previous comment on this video), these White Board videos are amazing!
The black knight already had a movie Martin Lawrence was awesome.
hehe, should have specced on that one :)
The whiteboard is back!! 😃 😃 😃
I thought this was going to be about Whitman variants. This was a much better video.
Swear to God, I thought you were going to talk about the Whitman 3 packs and such. It's the demand side of economics. Will there ever be the demand for Black Knight that there is for Black Panther or Silver Surfer? I think the books will rise again, but may not hit the heights of the summer of 2021 any time soon.
You're absolutely right. Mid tier or lower tier characters will probably always be that tier unless the fans go completely bonkers and make the character a huge phenomenon which can happen but has a low probability of happening.
To be fair, Harley Quinn, one of DC’s most popular characters of all time was introduced into comics in 1993.
Not to mention Chamber, Sync, et al, being introduced in 1994. Massive characters with huge followings.
Basically, I think the 90s sorta breaks your formula because the output of new characters was SO massive and there was SO much energy around the medium of comics:
Hell, Spawn? I mean, yeah.
Correction Professor Swagglehaus, the Marvel Silver Age ended at the 20 cent era, around 1973. I was there.
Well swag,you caught me off guard with the Whitman paradox, lol. I thought you were going to touch on Whitman comics. I must be getting old. Haha, Great topic though, love the whiteboard,please keep it along with other great info ol' wise one. Thanks swag for sharing
I clicked in because I too thought an explanation for Whitman comics collecting was coming.
@@THE_OG_DEMMON it was interesting all the same. I'm like wait a minute, Whitman the character not the publisher. Thanks for replying my friend
Always buy low never sell. Problem solved :-)
Sound advice!
Can’t take a loss if you never sell 🤯
You make a great point. Not to take anything away, but this presentation felt like something an Always Sunny character would create.
So you're advice is to put all your money in Darkhawk comics?
Love the presentation and the walkoff. The Whitman Paradox has legs.
Am I the only guy who loves the Avengers 47 cover? Haha I am a huge Magneto fan, but Dane Whitman's 1st appearance was secondary for me (and Hercules first solo story!). Granted I paid about 10% of the current FMV for it, hope they give Jon Snow some fancy sword work in his next Marvel film! 😜
Great job on the Whitman Paradox, which is now gonna be a thing. A couple of things to add.
1) You’re not a real Black Knight fan like 2 of us out here unless you know who Exodus is. Hint Black Knight is Exodus is Black Knight.
2) I feel like you didn’t touch Darkhawk b/c you were afraid he might be derivative lol. I feel ya
3) Only a select few such as Stan and Jack and some hardcore fans knew that Iron Man was top tier, until one day Joss Whedon and RDJ came along and showed us that truth. And Marvel’s been trying to copy that formula and failing with lower tier character after lower tier character. Morbius is probably the latest example of that. Sorry Ms Marvel and She-Hulk might be the same there.
4) There are some special creators out there who can recognize the potential of 2nd or 3rd tier and raise them up higher if they do it right.
Thanks, Enjoyed the video!
Another episode of Professor Swagglehaus! Beautiful!
haha ;)
Great lesson Prof S, specing is a gamble. Like you always say collect what you like and you'll be content. Unless you hold on and price crashes lol!!
Just getting to this and its great, but I would argue that the Newest subset started in 2011(Miles)-2017 with its fluff books being 2018-now. And that Modern should be 2000-2006/2007-2010.
This is my perpetual question about comic book speculators. They are trying to be in advance of an organic fandom, but end up creating a supply for a demand that doesn't exist.
That was the most Pepe Silvia video ever 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Such an awesome parody of a lecture class - hilarious! And even better because you actually have a valid theory to present. Of course it’s complicated and there will be exceptions (for example what do you do with Silver Surfer, Galactus and Black Panther who all definitely have a big following?). Fun, nicely done. :)
Great video! Thanks for putting that together. I couldn’t agree more with everything. It all boils down to supply and demand. How many people are buying, and how does the amount available fulfill that demand. Anyone who is a die-hard Black Night fan, likely already had the book. If they were priced out before the news, they are still likely priced out. So who’s buying?
I feel the same thing happened with Carnage but a bit different. There are a ton of Carnage fans but the book still out-populated the demand.
You gotta look at who’s going to be buying, and what their intentions are. Carnage fans already had their copy and when the movie came out there were few buyers left but a ton of books on the market.
If you’re buying to flip, you better have a plan on who you’re selling to, and if they even exist!
Great video Swag! I think a lot of people get caught up in the hype of an MCU character and don't necessarily understand the long term value of it.
Def a great post
For sure. I think the MCU can def help make characters more popular overall...but I wouldn't let that be the only factor in driving my buying decisions.
This was great swag 👌🏽 loved every minute loved the mic drop at the end
What a GREAT video.Very informative, awesome work .
White board of knowledge!!!
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Darkhawk rules! I have almost every single comic book issue he has ever been in!
I think there's definitely a useful philosophy here and I'll definitely remember it when considering my future specs. However, I did put my tin foil hat on around the 8 minute mark so I'm not so sure that EVERY character fits so neatly into the eras set out here.
Also, I appreciate you leaving SpiderGwen out of this. I woulda felt some kinda way 😂😂 😂
Love your videos Swagg! I’m he WWE/WWF stuff was awesome to Hear from you as a wrestling fan myself!!
Let's talk about the Richard Rider Paradox ...Nova's taking me to the moon ! ( is he ? )
I missed this one… Of course, I totally thought you were leading into Whitman variants😂🤣
The Whitman Paradox Phenomenon....OOooooooh !!! I like the sound of that ....(is that a thing ??) 😎🤓👍
Fun video. I'm sure the ears from both of those Black Knight fans are ringing! They can commiserate with both Namor fans.
Hello I wanted to as a question, I bought a avengers #48 first appearance of black knight and there is a staple missing but there was never any indication the staple was removed so I wanted to ask if I were to send it to cgc will it be counted as a defect and will it affect the grade?
Masterclass your wisdom, guy.
Luuuuv the board that just happens to be white... and the age that just happens to be silver. keep em comin'.
Check out the big brain on Swag. Let's vote Swagglehaus into office.
I guess that why Kang is 2nd tier to me compared to a magneto doom Dr. Ock. He just doesn’t have the content to back him up
Dont bet against nova.
He's def a cool character and his 1st appearance will have value...just the overall point I'm making is that I wouldn't expect his books values to ever rival the values of the popular characters that came before him in the bronze age.
It’s like a Sine wave. I wonder if that’s just the way our mind works. Are those derivative characters actually bad or did they just get introduced at a bad time. What creates that next generation of characters? Do you think it has anything to do with the characters before them not being well received regardless of the reason? If if that reason is they just happened to follow a great act.
Its hard to say exactly...I just think what happens is that the characters that come later always have to live under the shadow of the successful characters that came before. So its harder from them to breakout. And then you get these boom and bust cycles where eventually you do have that "breakout star" and the cycle repeats
@@Swagglehaus maybe you and Feige are on the same page Swag. Maybe they did something similar in their boardrooms and this is why they are putting these derivative characters first. They have the most meat on the bone because they never really had their time in the sun. I wonder what the readership is like on the derivative characters’ current volume of books once they get a show. Are kids running out and buying Nova 1 or Moon Knight 1 the current volumes? If so that may make these books HOT 🔥🔥🔥 😂 jk kidding Swag. Maybe not flaming hot but spec potential maybe?
13:10 for ref. Days of future past. How do we deal with story F ups. Ah back 2 the future. Alternate universe and story line??? But I ask u. What story line is cannon?? Take Lobo Dc for example. If your theory is correct then “I Cuncur.”
Great video! Can we find a correlation of comic book ages with economic trends (Inflation, deflation, etc) to determine when the next age will start happening (If that's even possible)? Based on your hypothesis the next comic book age is going to give us some legacy (Diamond/to hold) characters.
2:47 in. Had the first 5 issues of walking dead. Traded them for a way bigger spawn collection. So. The paradox is Who Knew??? Makes it way better when u buy multiples of goodies at low cost bk u already got one. Nice one. And cash in. Or just picked up Ran Dumb comics and score. I e Thor 1 with Jane. Or Young Avengers. Or secret wars 2015. Bk u already got The first. Also that note same time. Deadpool Now!!! And DP secret secret wars. First app GwenPool. Just saying.
P.s “You caught me monologue in.” (Syndrome)
Very smart analysis 👍🏻 👍🏻👊🏻
What up swag great video
Thanks!!
When the time is right, I'll gladly trade my Black Knight type of books for your Giant Size X-Men #1 and Uncanny X-Men #94. :))
Where do you put Blade on your whiteboard?
"Whitman Paradox"? I'm still reeling from the "Kletus Carnage"‼️🤪 #historyrepeatsitself
I thought you were going to talk about the problem in choosing a chocolate from the Whitman Sampler Candy Box...🍬🍬
Did you just label him as a paradox? Haha...this isn't Fermi. Mad respect though. Love the channel.
This was a bit confusing by using the title quote the Whitman paradox “I thought you were gonna talk about Whitman books
So what your saying is, I just wasted all of my $ on 100 copies of Clan Destine?
I apologize to the two of you Black Knight Fans LOL. I think you're being generous to assume there are two. So in conclusion...The Whitman Paradox is not a paradox after all and will not exist now or in the future? Like watching Russell Crowe in a Beautiful Mind.
I loved that movie! But maybe Kit Harrington and Mrs. Harrington will buy a lot of these books :)
Never noticed b4 youre left handed
Thanks for another good video
Thanks for watching!
Sounds very similar to my Dane Dilemma 🤔
I will ask u. When does collecting become a problem. When u go broke? Or have so much of collectibles others are uncomfortable. I collect Baseball cards, comics, movies, and toys. And I only collect the ones that I like now. But most are in boxes and kept safe and not displayed. My point is my money is tied into my collection. But my collection makes me happy. When the world sucks and I am broke. Bk worst case I can hawk 3 or 4 books and get what I need. Or continue to collect on a budget be responsible and go 2 work. Or win the lottery and become a RUclips guy. Or??? “Lightning has just struck my brain.” (Smee). Sell my entire collection and roll the dice??? Quit my job and start a channel??? Also comics are Spawn, Batman, (mainly Joker). Harley Quinn. And Ones that I find interesting. I e Doomsday Clock!!! 🤯🤯🤯.
Also I am a hustler. Fam. So price is relative 2 need and want. Real Talk. I got a spiddy 300 news. Raw. Price guide low say 350. Situation am I coming 2 you. Or u coming 2 me. If I need the bread then I take what I can get. But problem is that book makes me happy. Along with others. That said price is relative 2 the person with money…. 🧐🧐
Great vid. you just bought yourself a like, a comment, and a subscribe.
Thanks! Appreciate that :D
@@Swagglehaus my pleasure! Keep reading that Darkhawk. I too, am still Hodl'ing!
If a character has been out for 60 yrs and never caught traction or sold tons of comics they probably won't now. That's a logical assumption based on data.
Wrong Whitman. Maybe I'll be a Dell Paradox video.
14:56 ummm Doomsday??? Superman was dead. And Dc was making shit movies. And marvel was pumping out gold.?? My have the tables turned. I will wait another 30 years for doomsday clock. Still waiting for a Hoverboard and a Thundercats live action. I still have my death of Superman. Spent a bill for 2 50 bucks each. Opened one and still got the other. Picked up the entire run later Best cover Batman atop the hall throwing Superman’s cape. First comic my dad ever bought me. But my grandmother got me spawn 17 u gotta have deep pockets 2 get my happiness.
P.s Nova?? How about Thor 1 with Jane??? Who saw that coming??
P.p.s. Doomsday clock and Deadpool secret secret wars..??? With my boy Ryan as Dp. And the success of his movies??? I mean. We gonna see secret wars. #Scottieyoung variants. Also. Hastings. Lol. When u spec and win? That’s like female friends with sneak previews.
DBSBD or in plain English “don’t buy spec books dummy” ✊
hehe :P
Professor Swaggsworth
I think this now boils down to buy, collect, and speculate what you like. The odds are in your favor that when it’s time to sell, you’ll find a buyer. A lot of rehashed characters are floating around out there pretending to be “blue chip keys”. Great job planting the seeds to encourage critical thinking to the community. Keep it up. We need guys like yourself.
My head hurts!!!
16:41 “No, No,No!” (Captain James Hook) in Hook. Smh. What happened is the unknown element of your theory. Creations of a character happen all the time. Now if they pop or flop is a q of relevance 2 the viewer. Real talk u can’t please everyone especially now. Bk people get all butthurt. And get emotional. Hence the fall of the attitude era. Hater gonna hate. Example I thought Bane sucked. But when he live action broke the bat. I was like check. On board. That stated Bane with Ivy. I love Uma. But he sucked. So like young avengers. And Jane Thor??? Might as well be talking x-23 in a test tube.
Whoa!
Man I got a whole lot of ?????
13:02 in. Had 2 do things explains the pause. Wwf popularity can not truly explained without NWO case in point the ability 2 flip channels back and forth. 🤯🤯🤯. Example simpsons moving 2 Thursday. Really?? 🤦♂️. Any ways I digress. Case in point. No us nerds or as I like 2 refer 2 my self. Well versed in useless knowledge that makes me no money. And now as a fully functioning adult single male of society. “I am a kiss stealing, slab riddin, white cup sippin, belt buckle wearin, #NeRdHoOdALPHA ; , son of a gun.” (Nature Boy and my take). “Wooooo!!!” (#Rickflairfanclub
The Whiteboard Videos are certified classics. Gotta be at least a weekly thing on the channel
Ran with that. Eh. I guess I will subscribe then. 2 help. Damn you tube. #HTX only slabs I rep #IRIDE5
You could have saved 20 minutes and said buy what fan boys buy lol
hehe, to quote Jonathan Majors as Immortus "You know you can't skip to the end without being transformed by the journey" :)
The character breakdown by eras is great, but I don't see an equation here that leads from your premise to the conclusion. It's really more like three unlike concepts huddled under a leaky umbrella. And, don't get me wrong - I like the video and I like the content you create, but this particular video coins a term that doesn't represent the content.
I think most of us were hoping to see something about the Whitman Variants (which actually does represent a paradox when compared with modern reprints and variants).
On a basic level this example you give is neither a paradox nor germane to only Dane Whitman, and the anagram seems a bit shoe-horned, but the strongest tenet (that the people who supposedly want these books are likely the very same people that already have them) is important for collectors to realize.
The reason I go through the acronym is for entertainment purposes. Overall, the idea is that character popularity comes in cycles and that you have to consider which characters are the most popular in order to understand what books are going to be able to maintain their floor values. With this understanding, you can then see how the Black Knight book will likely not have as strong support floor in the future. This becomes a paradox because everyone assumes the book will go up in value yet everyone is also planning on flipping the book.
Well done I was going to smash the dislike at first.