What We All Should Steal From Eddie Van Halen! ( Eddie's Riff Trick)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Eddie Van Halen's use of triads inside of his riffs is something we should all take note off!
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I think Ed had a lot more knowledge of music than he let on or other people realized. He had an incredible ear, impeccable sense of rhythm, dynamics, etc. You can't take classically themed piano classes for as many years as he and Al did without picking up the basics of theory at the very least. He probably could read piano music as well. Even his tapping parts were basically triads just tapped out. Fantastic musician and he certainly knew what he was doing.
Part of his genius was making a big sound with a 3-piece band. He was quite happy just playing a triad (or less) in a high register and relying on MA to fill in the low register. Lots of guitarists (me included) feel uncomfortable trusting that someone else will be right in the same pocket enough to pull that sort of thing off. But Eddie did it all the time. Which is also a way of saying kudos to Mikey.
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@@creamwobbly lmao
I think Eddies piano training added a ton to his creativity, great lesson as usual
Eddie's 3:16 is one of the first songs I taught myself how to play on guitar.
Those chord shapes have defined how I play now. Absolutely love it.
The A triads in 'Drop Dead Legs' comes to mind!
I thought the same thing A to D to E in the same order with the same chord shapes
@@dondeese7167 Yeah same.
Learning basic inversions was the most important thing I’ve learned (second to pentatonic scales). So, I bought your inversion course just now and expect that will add more to my tool bag. Thanks Robert
Obviously you had to repost this because I watched the original yesterday. Want to comment but couldn’t find the Video after I watched it.
You’re an inspiration brother!! Every time I watch I find myself grabbing my guitar to follow along with you. The few moments you spend playing “Dance the Night Away “ I grabbed those amazing chords made them mine and came up with a Van Halen style song inspired by Robert Baker. You rock!! 🤘🎸🤘
How about the other instruments EVH played, guy was unreal. Maybe RUclips goes full subscription and immediately the IQ of the comment section goes up 40 points.
Then they would lose advertising resume big time!! Cuz most people aren’t going to pay for stuff that they been getting for free for years! But it’s an idea 💡 😅
Agreed. RUclips is becoming like Facebook where all the idiots come out and comment and argue.
RUclips is a Communist Democrat censor-crazy media !
Hey Robert !! Hope you're doing well . I've been hoping for a Video that covers this stuff and you did an amazing job with it . Really over the top good job . I've already watched this at least 5 times . So much to learn . 🎸😎🎸
Thanks Robert for sharing some EVH , i do believe that Eddies mindset was the musicality of the chords and how he hooked you with the melody of inversions . I honestly think he was a great musician not just an icon of guitar 😊
Of course Ed knew exactly what he was doing. He said once in an interview " I'm just sort of falling downstairs and somehow landing on my feet" or words to that effect. He obviously meant that he often improvises and topples a plie of pentatonic boxes, and manages to resolve the phrase on the right beat( like juggling with stacked pizza boxes) Eric J does the same, and possibly if anyone could be accused of gambling with rollercoaster pentatonic runs without a clear exit strategy( ie, not knowing what you're doing) it could be Jimmy Page, but bless his rambling relaxed approach... those that love his music like that about him anyhow, and many others like Gary Moore, like to risk cacophony sometimes to be truly improvising, like Santana, and sometimes you have to "Take the drop" as an old musical buddy once told me, and I mean you have to take that chance and stick your neck out for art. Eddy is much more in control than people like that commenter think he is, and of all rock guitarists is rarely inconsistent in his phrasing, I mean look at the Rolling Stones, they're not all that tidy,and in comparison Eddy is Nashville studio level of accuracy!
For the longest time I was strongly opposed to learning theory. “It will kill the feel and emotion in my playing.” I couldn’t have been more wrong. Knowing what I’m playing and the theory behind it has made my playing more emotion filled and just made me all around a better player. I strongly encourage any player to learn theory. It will help you so much.
I was the same way when for a long time. I feel like it’s only guitarists/bassists that often swear off theory. Wonder why that is? Other than thinking we don’t need it to rawk out haha.
Awesome job Robert. Thank you
I didn't get good at triads until I got into sweep picking. It teaches you to be able to play all the little parts of the chord shapes too. Thank you Jason Becker!
Eddie was winning classical piano competitions when he was just a kid. I think that some people assume he didn't know theory because of his trademark soloing "scale" which was a weird chromatic thing that he invented because it sounded great at hyperspeed (but kinda weird slowed down) His Dad was a jazz musician so it's hard for me to imagine that Eddie didn't know theory.
When is the live clinic on Sunday? I always miss them😢. Got your course. 2 lessons in it is dope. Thanks for doing an EVH lesson. Still the king! Can't believe he's gone.
Hey Robert this is an awesome video, i was watching one of your early videos you made with the charvel san dimas where you were answering questions anyway i have a san dimas pro mod the light blue one ,my question is my action right now its set a out 6/64ths on the low e and 4/64ths in the high e,ive taken the shims out that were under the nut why they do this i have no ideal but if i go any lower on my action i hear a very slight buzz d no other strings have an issue i can not figure out the problem ive even taken it to several guitar guys they say everything is good but its driving me crazy for real maybe the nut is messed up ,do you have any ideals what the issue could be thank you and god bless
The EVH guitar sure has a nice clean tone. Seems touch-sensitive too. Thanks for featuring that.
I’ve been learning eruption and was wondering what he was playing at the start when you watch him playing it live around 1984. So it’s the song 316. And now you pop this vid up, unbelievable coincidence, and now I can learn triads EVH style. 🤘🏻Love your channel Rob and I’ve picked up the new inversion course. Started working through it last night. Awesome.
1986 it was - September; New Haven Connecticut…
Great video, Rob. Eddie's guitar prowess often eclipses his harmonic/chordal/song writing talent. 3:16 is simple and beautiful (I think it was written as a lullaby for Wolf). On another note but to add to the geekery...is that a Jazz III pick you're using?! I recently found out many pros use them and recently bought some (reg and XL)...gonna take some getting used to with the regular sized red ones...they are soooo tiny!
EXCELLENT VIDEO ROBERT!!!
Intro to Hear About It Later is chordal as all hell and brilliant. We just just called them "broken chords" b/c we didn't know the right term. lol
I still remember the awe that I felt when I learned that EVH built "Ain't Talking `Bout Love" with two chords!! I remember (I hope it's not wrong) that on one interview he said that his father trained (or sent them to classes) he and Alex in classical music and they just took off on rock
Cool video! His most amazing chord work is on the song "5150" if you ask me. So hard to play too!
Great Leeson Robert!👍👍Love Eddies playing! Hope you can do some Vito Bratta lessons as he is a guitar monster too!🎸🎸🙏🙏
@vitobrattaforever402 Vito is the man on lead guitar! 🎸
This is a fun one to try
I almost bought that exact same Corvette shirt today! Crazy! Great lesson on a great EVH song. I’ve watched that live video so many times over the years.
You're the man. You have a great way of de-mystifying all of the EVH riffs that I thought were completely unattainable at my skill set. Please keep up the stellar how-to vids.
Not that I'd be qualified to add to Robert or EVH (by ANY stretch) but some of the moral here is; just mess around! I used to do this more some years ago but I was getting in to arpeggio/flatpicking stuff and just taking a chord and removing fretted notes or adding notes without really thinking of it being a 'flatted sharp something or other'. Just messing around and putting my fingers just about anywhere. And some really horrible sounds came out! But, it got me outside of my 'thinking' and got me to open up a bit and found some cool stuff. I think when Eddie said he didn't know what he was doing, it's probably more that he messed around versus thinking about and then let what he already knew just flow out. My take.
I was a classical trained pianist prior to picking up guitar in my teens (thanks in large part to Eddie, and also to Ace Frehley). All of the theory I had to learn to pass exams on piano made very little sense until I picked up a guitar. Then it was a whole different game. Suddenly I intuitively understood things like modes, chord structure and harmonies. I started off thinking that if you play a chord on guitar, it had to include all 6 strings! I enjoy guitar more than piano because it allows you to be more free to improvise, plus you can bend notes and apply vibrato.
Cheers from Columbus , great video Robert . Love the Eddie videos you dive into 🎸
I learned those chords listening to Brian May. Hammer to Fall, We Will Rock You, I Go Crazy. He does that stull all the time.
Eddie was amazing. Loved how happy he always looked when he was playing live.
I love it. I figured that version of the song out when I was 17 in 1991. I was watching the Live Without A Net video. Cornerstone of an influence for me. :D
Everyone says Eddie didn't know scales or theory and never had any guitar lessons. His father was a jazz musician and Eddie and his brother entered and won piano competitions before he started playing guitar. Chances are his father started teaching him music theory and scales when he was a toddler . He may have never had any guitar " lessons" but he absolutely knew music theory and applied everything he knew about piano to the guitar.
I think the key is to follow the music not the scales
I was watching an interview with Wolfgang (His son) and he said his Dad wasn't a great teacher. He would ask questions but Eddie responded with "I dunno you just do it" as far as I understood. It makes sense with the pattern based playing styles or keyboard fingerings. He had an amazing ear and an open mind to trying new things, look at the Frankenstrat as proof. Also there is a quote of his, "You get 12 notes, do whatever the f*ck you want with them" 😉👍
True x
I could see that with the family dynamic. I've taught plenty of budding guitarists to varying levels of success, but my hardest student has been my own son. Unfortunately I think it's natural to expect more of your own kids. In my mind, that family dynamic, even with the best of intentions, changes the way you teach.
I play that a lot. Learned it after you started a live with it
I have been playing since 1972. I enjoy watching you. Can you imagine what it would sound like if every guitar picker-upper all played the same song at the same time in the same place? I wonder weird stuff lol.
If you listen and play along with Queen Bryan, May used a lot of the same chord inversions. Maybe that's why they remained close friends. Ed always loved to jam with Bryan May
Just grabbed the course, Thanks again Robert.
Ed was a brilliant rhythm player, and his groove/pocket were unreal.
I kinda' gave up on learning "Little Dreamer" because, well, I just couldn't even 99% NAIL the swing, swagger, dynamics, feel and attitude that Ed had in his right hand.
That was an awesome ending!!!!!!!! Thanks for another great course!!!!!!!!!!
Great vid! New course is
“on point” !! 🎸🤘🏻
I got the chord inversions and triads… it’s awesome!! I’ve been playing for YEARS! And I still learn all of the time… yes your course has shown me so much more! Eddie knew exactly what was going on! And he had that “touch”! The man! Those who say different are idiots!
Awesome insight and teaching. Thank you.
Saw him in 1978 in Little Rock as a 14 year old ! What a childhood !
Did you see Chicago Music video today they have a well used Tube Screamer owned & well used by SRV.
The End It Bluesy was awesome!
I bought it on launch day!!! Robert is the best teacher formerly from Ohio😅. Anyway working on triads and how to solo and resolve. Thx Robert!!!🎸
Keep up the great work
He wasn’t the best at one single thing but he was the best in more areas than any other guitar player, covering it all, the most full spectrum game changer thus far
I guess it's time for an unlocking Legends EVH course. Riffs and Leads? Great lesson!
Super cool! Ty!
Thank you Robert. This was super cool.
Eddie is one of the best! Love your videos dude!
Robert, thanks for some more inspiration. When you are jamming you tend to keep your mouth closed tight. Stiff upper lip.
Just like you with theory. Usually I learn a little theory and then have a little breakthrough somewhere in my understanding.
I believe 316 is Wolfgang's birthday and that's where the song name comes from.
Correct. Ed played this song for Wolf every night when he was a baby. He actually would play parts of it going all the way back to 86 though.
Anyone who says Eddie could not play , doesn't play any musical instrument . Same when people say KISS could not play .
this is the first time i realized how good you play Bob...really you have a great touch
Check out his chord work in “5150”! Insane!🔥
5150!!
Great vid. Eddie definitely knew what he was doing. He just thought of it more as "what sounds best/most interesting?" Rather than from a theory perspective, which as another guitarist who learns by ear and doesn't know any theory, I really admire lol
Great lesson
Studio player told me once, less is sometimes more, don’t compete with the singer, and learn to have pause and phrasing
Robert, sometime cover something from the Van Hagar era.
That was awesome! I enjoyed that 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Excellent vid. The more I learn about Eddie's playing, the more I think we should be stealing ALL of it. It should be more fundamental to guitar teaching than classical guitar...which somehow sucks all of the fun out of learning guitar.
I think you should do a EVH course I would definitely buy it 🎸🎸
Thanks! I've been working on one but wont be done till the end of the year
@RobertBakerGuitar ok cool can't wait 🎸🎸 I love the way how explain things on guitar 🤘🤘
Great as always Robert 👌
Cool vid Rob..EVH he is the GOAT been a fan since 1980 cheers👍🎸🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶
You’ve been on an EVH ride and I’m here for it lol
As always, a great video.
Nice!!
Thank you, that was beautiful.👍
😂👍
Total Genius!
Someone criticized Eddie’s ability to play guitar? That’s hilarious!
that was a tasty lick to go out on there.
I have always loved this piece. Eddie was truly one of a kind. Certified genius pioneer guitar player.
I don't care what anybody says. He was the real deal.
✌️
there is something different about the way keyboards are taught as compared to guitar. for me it was somewhat hard to get that the maj[ionian] was the building block of everything.after learning blues/pent etc first] it's a cliche but guitarisr[rock] should learn some keys and horns and theory in general. its not easy and you're never really done. stick to it and you will get better. if you're not a little confused you're not trying hard enough. gotta go work on doxlodian dom scale. its invisible. sounds cool. rock on. bye for now.
That first riff was beautiful.
Although I am not a Van Halen fan, I have to admit Eddie was a very creative guitarist.
Calling Eddie a genius is like saying Einstein was pretty smart. Eddie was beyond amazing. He had a gift that few if any will ever know. He knew full well everything he was doing. Early on in his career he played like he was spinning out of control in a car but never crashed. He was always in control. Later he mellowed and wrote some of the greatest rock songs of all time. As much as I am a DLR era guy, Van Hagar was timeless. There was never anyone like Eddie. Never will be.
Live without a net best Solo
Economy of motion and ease of play, that was Eddie's M.O...
People say the stupidest shit. He wasn’t my favorite but it’s pretty obvious he knew his way around the fretboard. Eddie was so advanced he was bored. Eddie played with sound the tapping worked because he knew where those sounds were. His obsession with equipment he had went beyond playing. Les Paul said only three people knew how to build electric guitars. Him, Leo Fender, and Eddie Van Halen.
EVH was a great musician and a great guitar player! You don’t need to go to school to be a great musician, it helps but is not necessary. Probably the most successful musicians, the ones that earned a lot of money, are self taught.
If Eddie knew what was going on, why didn’t he answer Marvin Gaye? Huh? None of us feel so clever now, do we? 🤓
The plot thickens!
Eddie was incredible at writing music.
Eddie was a musician. He studied music, played multiple instruments and knew his stuff.
I hate this anti-education bend in the guitar ecosystem. Some fools even claim learning theory could "harm your playing". Absurd.
Music is a language. Notes are words. The construction of anything more than basic childish "sentences" (phrases) is bolstered and perhaps dependent upon knowing how notes connect within a framework (a key).
If pentatonics and power chords are your gold standard - go for it. Wanna play like Zappa, Hendrix, Vai, Satriani, Petrucci, Buckethead or Govan?
That requires knowledge and training. Practice and theory.
2nd
Um.. Eddie and Alex mastered classical piano as children by ear and won many piano competitions. But, sure he “knows nothing”! Someone needs the proverbial back hand.
EVH is the reason we play.
Bach was a genius. True.
Anyone that thinks Eddie didn't know what he was doing and that he wasn't a real guitarist obviously suffered a head injury as a child.
Eddie Van Halen is the Michael Jordan of rock guitar. He made it all look so effortless, it's mind blowing. I don't know what that commentator is drinking.
Probably idiot juice there is a lot of it going on in the comments section 😂
Thats some good stuff👍🇦🇺
Eddie did know what was going on. He knew.
The guy that don't like Eddie what planet is he from